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AntiChristian: What about Alexander the Great. Was he given a book too since he's a prophet in Islam. |
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Qasim6: The painful thing about this your blind argument Muhammed never believed the injeel or the Torah was corrupt. Muhammed actually believed in the Injeel and the Torah available in his time. He believed they were perfect. He told both christians and Jews to judge by what is revealed in their books. How can Muhammed tell Christians and Jews to judge by corrupt books!!!! How Muslims ended up with the corrupt injeel/Torah claim is an abracadabra on its own. |
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Explore2xmore: Do U know the difference between 'Messiah' and 'The Messiah' What U defined up there is messiah. Now go and look for the definition of THE MESSIAH- Al Mashiah |
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Qasim6: Have U heard of Didache? |
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Qasim6: But I thought the message of Jesus is only for the Jews. How can Jesus be preaching about a kingdom of God for the whole world if his message is for the Jews only? |
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AntiChristian: Are U kiddng me!!! U better don't go there or else I will bury U. Someone is dying and said it feels like my aorta is being severed. Allah said he will kill Muhammed by cutting his aorta. Common sense will tell U aorta in both sentences mean the same thing. The AORTA is the biggest blood vessel in the body and main artery that sustain life. Severe it and death is knocking on the door. There can be no alternative meaning to this word aorta in both sentences. They both mean death by cutting off main blood vessel in the body. Only LIARS will want to extricate Muhammed from the embarrassment he found himself. U better be careful and don't end up like Muhammed. God hates LIARS. HE'S STILL IN THE BUSINESS OF SEVERING AORTA OF LIARS. |
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AntiChristian: Mr Man, I never told U I'm a Arab speaker. I brought the English translation of those verses from your own sources. And they both called it AORTA. Your Muslim scholars were the ones who translated the Arabic words to aorta not me or any Christians. Your Muslim scholars said the word in both the Qur'an and hadith mean AORTA.
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AntiChristian: As at the time Muhammed ran away from Mecca, Khadijah was alive. she died when Muhammed was on exile in medina- he couldnt have married another woman in Mecca. BTW khadijah married Muhammed and not the other way round. Muhammed had no money to even pay bride price not to talk of starting a family. 1 Like |
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AntiChristian: This guy, you better stop lying. God hates liars. Learn from the fate of Muhammed. How can U say muhammed not marrying when he was with khadijah was out of choice. Which choice? With whose money would Muhammed have married a 2nd wife when khadijah was alive. Someone khadijah was feeding will now think of bringing extra mouth into the house. With whose money? I can imagine khadijah paying the bride price of the new wife and then start feeding both Muhammed and the new wife with her own money. My guy in case U don't know, women stupidity get limit and hell has no fury like a woman scorned. Muhammed respected himself and waited until khadijah died b4 embarking on his journey of debauchery. 1 Like |
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AntiChristian: Stop lying. Muhammed died a painful, slow and agonising death because he was a false prophet. Allah killed Muhammed because he ended up being a false prophet; and Allah had warned muhammed if he's ever caught lying, Allah will grab his aorta and cut it into half. And if he [i.e., the Prophets] had made up things and thereafter ascribed it to Us, (69:45) We would surely have seized him by the right hand, (69:46) and then severed his aorta; Muhammed died complaining that the poison the Jewish woman fed him is actually dissecting his aorta. Narrated Aisha: The prophet is his ailment in which he died, used to say, "O 'Aisha! I still feel the pain caused by the food I ate at Khaibar, and at this time, I feel as if my AORTA is being cut from that poison" [Sahih Buhkhari Book 59, Hadith 713] Even your books proved Muhammed was a LIAR. HE MADE UP FALSE SAYINGS IN THE NAME GOD WHO KILLED HIM AS EARLIER WARNED BY SEVERING HIS AORTA. 1 Like |
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FRANCISTOWN: Ok let me explain how historical evidence work. Now how do historians gather evidence from history ? They research ancient documents looking for evidence for or against historical claim. Now this could either be internal or external evidence. Internal evidence is what is in the documents that or refute the claim. External evidence is what is outside of the documents that or refute the content in the document. The bible is a historical document. If U are saying the bible is false. Then what in the bible led credence to your assertion and what have U discovered outside of the bible that debunks what's written in the bible. U said U don't believe Jesus is the Son of God as stated in the bible. What evidence do U have either internal or external evidence to back your claim that the statement is false. Are U saying Jesus never called himself Son of God, or he did but was lying or he did but not as Christians meant it to be or the gospel writers just made it all up. |
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FRANCISTOWN: 1. My friend that's not how history works. What evidence do U have that people like Aristotle, Socrates or Nefertiti ever existed. How do U know Julius Caesar or Alexander the great ever existed and not just some made up figure. My guy, the only evidence we have about them is what their own people wrote about them. We looked into historical records and analysed as well as filter thru what their people wrote about them. That's how we know what's real and what's made up. Historical documents are pieces of evidence and historians treat them as such. U don't travel to China to learn about Nerfetiti, instead u look for what ancient Egyptians wrote about her. U also don't travel to Rome to learn about Orunmila. Instead U study the oral tradition and history of Yoruba people to understand if Orunmila is a real person or not. Do U get it now. 2. That mean U never did any critical thinking of your own while U were a Christian? Is that what U saying? |
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FRANCISTOWN: The biggest question is what evidence do we have from the bible that proves the God of the bible is the supreme God. So when U were a Christian what made u think this God I worship written about in the bible is the ONLY TRUE GOD. |
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meobizy: Slowly building courage ke OR they now have full courage 100%. Dare criticize Muhammed or islam in London or Paris and see what happens to U. Canada is next with their gay loving degenerate Trudeau. U guys in America better hold firm to your gun. That will be your saving grace when their madness starts over there. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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Jeffy1206: Muslims can burn their own Qur'an if it's old or mutilated. U as a non Muslim, carry the Quran go burn for any reason whatsoever and see what will happen to U. Better be careful. Some things are better avoided for the sake of peace. 1 Like |
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So FRANCISTOWN, your argument isn't new. It's as old as the bible itself. Your argument is based on if God is real, why can't those who call on him be the most richest, powerful and mightiest on earth. Why should worshippers of the only true God be subjects to atheist or worshippers of false gods? I will give U the same answer God gave the Israelites when they asked him similar question. For God causes his sun to rise on both the evil and the just, and sends rain on the righteous and wicked. My thoughts are not your thoughts, neither are your ways my ways saith the LORD. For as heaven is higher than the earth, so are my ways higher than your ways, and my thoughts than your thoughts. God will forever be God, your shallow mindset will never comprehend him. If u expect God to have the same thought process as yourself, then u are in for a rude shock. The Israelites learnt the hard way. They fought the Phoenicians, fought the Assyrians, fought Greeks, fought Romans; each time expecting God to give them victory....the end result is always the same. They never listen to their prophets or the Messiah, instead they had a fixated idea of who they wanted God to be and what they want from him. God will never change his plan for humanity for the sake of yours. know this and know peace- whether u believe in HIM or not If as a Christian, U worshipping God for what U can gain; am sorry but U have not yet discovered your journey. U simply playing religion. THE SIMPLE MOST IMPORTANT REASON U FOLLOW JESUS CHRIST IS SPIRITUAL GUIDANCE FOR THIS LIFE AND HEREAFTER. ANY OTHER THING IS SECONDARY. That's why Christ himself said..... Seek ye the kingdom of God and it's righteousness, and every other thing shall be added unto it. Therefore I tell you, do not worry about your life, what to eat or drink; or about your body, what you will wear. Is your life not more than food and body not more than clothes? Next question is why do we need spiritual guidance. I will discuss about it next. |
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Now to what U wrote up there.... Its amazing for U to think serving God means U will become the richest man on earth or the most influencial. Where did Christ say that? Christ said if anyone desires to be in heaven, he must be like a child and be ready to serve rather than being served. Christ also said do not aim for high places when in public, lest u are disgraced and told to sit amongst the lowly. Rather, take the lowest place so that when offered something higher u will be honoured. The ancient Israelites also had your mind set and that's why they weren't satisfied worshipping God because he wasn't going to make them the most powerful nation on earth. The Israelites wondered why they should obey strict and laborious commandments from a supreme God when nations with lesser gods were helping their nations become powerful empires. The Israelites couldn't understand how nations with weak gods were conquering Israel and beating them silly in battles yet Israelites were the ones who worship the most powerful God. The Israelites were bewildered why an all powerful God, the mightiest God and maker of the universe could not make the ONLY nation that serves him the most powerful nation on Earth. Whenever these powerful empires defeat Israel, they erect monument to honour their weak gods and mock the all powerful God of Israel. The Israelites were embarrassed and felt humiliated. The whole thing makes no sense to them. Not getting satisfactory answers from the Prophets, the Israelites decided to try their luck with other gods. |
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FRANCISTOWN: I think I read somewhere that U were an altar boy in catholic b4 becoming atheist. I've always said it, those who leave Christianity do so because they don't understand the faith. No true Christian who understands the bible will ever leave. These ex Christians simply make erroneous assumptions from the bible which unfortunately becomes their reality. Then they make ignorant decisions based on these falsehoods. And to be sincere, I don't blame them. The church has taken too many things for granted in the last few decades without checking if the are on the same page with the pulpit. The bible says work out your salvation with fear and trembling, unfortunately today's church has failed to guarantee it's own salvation. The are seeing this and are beginning to question the faith. I myself had my own challenge reconciling my belief with the message coming from the pulpit and at a time I began to drift away. That was until I began to study the bible myself and research the theology within it. The revelation from the bible is clear- it's impossible for the bible to be false. It's impossible for the message coming from the bible to be made up. If U actually take time to study and research the theology of Christianity, U can only come to one conclusion. The God of the Bible is the only true God. I can take U on this journey so long as U have an open mind and willing to learn new things. I I debated one of U agnostic here called Nonethnicity or something like that. By the time I disconnected his claims from reality, he couldn't continue because he was stuck. |
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moscow007: U are very naive. U think international politics start and end with west Vs Russia. Have U asked yourself why Saudi Arabia and Egypt refuse to the Palestinian cause? Weak Sunni muslim gulf countries are being surrounded by militarily strong Shia Muslim backed regime- Hamas, Hezbollah, Yemen, Iraq and their chief sponsor Iran. And U think Al Qaeda, a sunni terrorist group will jump and give voice to a cause against the interest of their sponsors. Saudi Arabia will just cut off funding. Next time, Use your brain b4 you write. Hamas is the common enemy of the Muslim gulf countries and NOT Israel. 2 Likes 1 Share |
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Ok, but Africans have heard enough of all these motivational speech. What we need is action. Put words into action. Develop your country and let's hear something good about Burkina faso. Africans are thirsty for the first successful black nation. |
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AntiChristian: Yes, the companions of Muhammed beat their wives. Aisha confirmed it. Narrated `Ikrima: Rifa`a divorced his wife whereupon `AbdurRahman bin Az-Zubair Al-Qurazi married her. `Aisha said that the lady (came), wearing a green veil (and complained to her (Aisha) of her husband and showed her a green spot on her skin caused by beating). It was the habit of ladies to each other, so when Allah's Messenger (ﷺ) came, `Aisha said, "I have not seen any woman suffering as much as the believing women. Look! Her skin is greener than her clothes!" So Yes Muslims men beat their wives according to your books. Now when the Quran says strike your wives, does it mean beat your wives as described by Aisha, mother of believers. |
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AntiChristian: Don't worry wait for Honesttalk he will show U the verse. Now do U agree strike your wife means beat your wife in both Arabic and English version of the Qur'an? |
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AntiChristian: Go and do your own home work. No food for lazy man. Just imagine, he hasn't done his own assignment but came here to post a topic on ion of Christ based on poor knowledge. Honesttalk be like say U sabi bible this otondo. Pls show him the bible verse. |
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AntiChristian: This is done and dusted. You are the one who should bring evidence that the different inscriptions are the same letter for letter and word for word. It's common sense that sentences are not translated literally when written in different languages. They are translated in such way that the message and meaning remain the same in different languages. This is the standard in the linguistic scholastic works. For example 'Man is dog best friend' when translated to Yoruba becomes 'Aja ni ore eniyan' Those two words are not the same literally but the translation is correct and the message it conveys is the same. It's just common sense, something very rare among Muslims illiterate apologetics. Funny enough Quran has the same problem of literal translation. That's why modern Muslims are denying some ages in Qur'an claiming the original Arabic doesn't have the same meaning. For example the Quran says husband should strike their wives when they disobey. modern westernised Muslims who are embarrassed by that verse will claim the Arabic word for strike is a literal translation and the meaning of the word is different in the Arabic Quran. AntiChristian what's your opinion on this? |
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AntiChristian:John wrote down the Aramaic inscription in his book. Mark wrote down the Latin inscription in his book Luke wrote down the greek inscription in his book. Matthew wrote down the Hebrew translation of the inscription in his book. They were all correct. They simply wrote down what was written in different languages in different LITERAL TRANSLATION. What's so difficult to understand here. |
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AntiChristian: There were 3 inscriptions on Jesus cross written in 3 different languages.. Aramaic, greek and Latin. The Pharisees also interpreted the reading in Hebrew making 4 readings. Except U here to tell me the inscriptions in the 4 languages are the same letter for letter, word for word which is impossible due to linguistic challenges....U have no point. For example .... I could write The king of the Jews in English Then in Yoruba write ELEYI NI OBA AWON JU OR OHUN NI OBA AWON JU. THOSE THREE SENTENCE MEAN THE SAME THING AND COULD BE TRANSLATED VICE VERSA BUT THE LITERAL TRANSLATION IS DIFFERENT. IF 'ELEYI NI OBA AWON JU' IS TRANSLATED LITERALLY INTO ENGLISH, IT BECOMES 'THIS IS THE KING OF THE JEWS' SO LANGUAGE TRANSLATION IS DIFFERENT FROM LITERAL TRANSLATION. THE ULTIMATE IS THE MEANING OF SENTENCE IS PRESERVED. PILATE WANTED TO BE SURE PEOPLE GOT HIS MESSAGE CLEARLY, HE WOULD FOCUS ON PROPER TRANSLATION OF HIS MESSAGE RATHER THAN SOME LITERAL TRANSLATION NUANCES. PEOPLE WHO READ THE INSCRIPTIONS IN DIFFERENT LANGUAGES KNEW IT MEANT THE SAME THING. THE BIBLE AUTHORS SIMPLY WROTE THE INSCRIPTIONS THAT WAS REPORTED TO THEM OR THE ONE THEY UNDERSTOOD. Luke wasn't at the cross, they told him what was written in greek and he wrote it down. Mark wasnt at the cross, they told him what was written in Latin ( and he translated it to greek) since he wrote his gospel while in Rome. Matthew was writing to his fellow Jews, he reported the inscription in Hebrew and then translated it to greek. John was at the cross, saw what was written in Aramaic and translated it to greek. The Aramaic inscription has Yeoshua included while it was omitted in both greek and Latin because Yeoshua is a native Jewish name and has no meaning in either greek or Latin. The greek name Ieosous and the Latin name Iesus are all transliteration. Ieosous and Iesus has no meaning in the respective language. Just like Adetokunbo becomes Antetokounmpoin in greek. Antekoumpoin doesn't have any meaning in greek. Including Yeoshua in the greek/Latin inscription may confuse readers who may then misinterpret the message, thus Pilate choose to skip it. I believe if U are sincere, this will settle it. However if U persist in your nuisance behaviour, we will visit the Quran and test the literal translation hypothesis on it and the see how it fares. |
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AntiChristian: The inscription was written in 3 languages: greek, Aramaic and Latin. Do U know that? |
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AntiChristian: How many languages was the inscription written? |
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Veetee: Something must be seriously wrong with naija men, their entitlement is nauseating. So a married man who engages in adultery thinks he should be controlling a fornicator because he has money. A married adulterer thinks he has better morals than a single fornicator. Well Oga sorry, the fornicator also has her own life of deception of live. As U are doing cover up, she took is doing cover up at her own end. I'm sure U would be mad if she calls U at 12 am midnight when U with your wife in Canada. So as U are pointing one accusing finger at the girl four of your own finger is pointing at U. |
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AntiChristian: Just like I said earlier, U don't care about Islam So if your nonsense post bring ridicule to Islam U care less. U already realised Muhammed is a false prophet n Quran is a forgery. So insulting the religion further doesn't affect u. |
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AntiChristian: Yeah just like holy spirit came upon Isaiah and Samson impregnated them Ode |
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AntiChristian: see how stupeed you sound. talking about cum as if angel Gabriel spoke to Mary in English. seeing cum everywhere. just see how u end up in kpotokpoto. If I am Muslim, I will warn u to stop disgracing islam and bringing Quran to the mud by writing on christianity here on nairaland. |
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