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PROVERBZ(m): 9:20pm On Nov 28, 2024
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After I was informed that Muslims referred to the teachings and message of Jesus as Injeel, which translates to "Good News" (the very same thing Christians call it), I became even more confused because the title seems mismatched.
The theme of Jesus's message in Christianity is that he brought salvation for those previously condemned by the law. In this context, the title "Good News" makes sense.
Where it does not make sense is in Islam, where it is mismatched. The title for his message in Islam is Injeel, and it also translates to "Good News." The dilemma here is that, in Islam, there is no reason for the message to be referred to as "Good News." It is obviously mismatched. Most of my Muslim friends here would argue that Jesus didn't teach anything new and that, in fact, he preached the same message as the previous prophets before him.
This raises the question: Why is Jesus's message in Islam called "Good News" (the very same thing Christians call it)?

Normally, this would not have been a setback if not for the way the word came about in Christianity: the message of salvation by believing in Christ (something Islam preaches against).

I thought to myself, maybe it’s borrowed from the Christians at the time because Muslims wanted to relate to them but didn’t have a word for it aside from that. However, after researching, I found out that the word Injeel was stated in the Qur'an (the supposed direct word of Allah).


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GothamCities: 9:40pm On Nov 28, 2024
It's Good News in Christendom because there had never been such a message before Christ came on the scene. Christ's message is a message of salvation through Grace which is received by faith. No prophet before Jesus has ever had such a message. Hence, the message is Good News.

What is the Good News (Injeel) of Jesus according to Islam? We'll like to know.
PROVERBZ(m): 9:50pm On Nov 28, 2024
GothamCities:
It's Good News in Christendom because there had never been such a message before Christ came on the scene. Christ's message is a message of salvation through Grace which is received by faith. No prophet before Jesus has ever had such a message. Hence, the message is Good News.

What is the Good News (Injeel) of Jesus according to Islam? We'll like to know.
it's another Islamic dilemma. They could have argues that it was a word borrowed in other to relate with Christians at rhe time, but this word was also used in the Quran and they claim the Quran is directly from God. Could it be that Allah didn't spot this dilemma
GothamCities: 10:02pm On Nov 28, 2024
PROVERBZ:
it's another Islamic dilemma. They could have argues that it was a word borrowed in other to relate with Christians at rhe time, but this word was also used in the Quran and they claim the Quran is directly from God. Could it be that Allah didn't spot this dilemma

So many dilemmas in that religion, but rather than sit down to understand the Gospel message and critically consider the deceptions of Islam, Muslims would see your exposition as an attack. Some would have attempted to behead you if you have asked these questions in an open market in Kano.

But, as it is, Islam embraced the topic of Christ's message which is the Good News (Injeel) but they rejected the News - the very message of the Good News.
GothamCities: 11:28pm On Nov 28, 2024
PROVERBZ:

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After I was informed that Muslims referred to the teachings and message of Jesus as Injeel, which translates to "Good News" (the very same thing Christians call it), I became even more confused because the title seems mismatched.
The theme of Jesus's message in Christianity is that he brought salvation for those previously condemned by the law. In this context, the title "Good News" makes sense.
Where it does not make sense is in Islam, where it is mismatched. The title for his message in Islam is Injeel, and it also translates to "Good News." The dilemma here is that, in Islam, there is no reason for the message to be referred to as "Good News." It is obviously mismatched. Most of my Muslim friends here would argue that Jesus didn't teach anything new and that, in fact, he preached the same message as the previous prophets before him.
This raises the question: Why is Jesus's message in Islam called "Good News" (the very same thing Christians call it)?

Normally, this would not have been a setback if not for the way the word came about in Christianity: the message of salvation by believing in Christ (something Islam preaches against).

I thought to myself, maybe it’s borrowed from the Christians at the time because Muslims wanted to relate to them but didn’t have a word for it aside from that. However, after researching, I found out that the word Injeel was stated in the Qur'an (the supposed direct word of Allah).


--- cc antichristian antiislam


TenQ, for your reference.
TenQ: 7:31am On Nov 29, 2024
GothamCities:


TenQ, for your reference.
Mohammed copied many things without knowing the history nor context nor source.
He for instance thought that the Scripture of the Christians is a Single book called the Injeel (from the Greek meaning Gospel)
Mohammed thought that the Torah of the Jews is a Single book and not Five.

-Mariam (the sister of Aaron and Moses) became the Mother of Mary
-The Samaritan built the Idol/gold Calf for the Children of Israel during the time of Moses (meanwhile, the Samaritan did not exist 700 years after they left Egypt)
-Alexander the Great was a Muslim prophet who received messages from Allah
-Joseph was sold with Dirham (a currency of the Arab) which never existed at the time of Joseph etc.


Mohammed DID NOT know the content of either the Torah nor the Injeel except through Hear-Say

This is the problem of Islam.

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PROVERBZ(m): 8:18am On Nov 29, 2024
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GothamCities: 9:12am On Nov 29, 2024
TenQ:

Mohammed copied many things without knowing the history nor context nor source.
He for instance thought that the Scripture of the Christians is a Single book called the Injeel (from the Greek meaning Gospel)
Mohammed thought that the Torah of the Jews is a Single book and not Five.
Please how did you arrive at this conclusions?

-Mariam (the sister of Aaron and Moses) became the Mother of Mary
-The Samaritan built the Idol/gold Calf for the Children of Israel during the time of Moses (meanwhile, the Samaritan did not exist 700 years after they left Egypt)
-Alexander the Great was a Muslim prophet who received messages from Allah
-Joseph was sold with Dirham (a currency of the Arab) which never existed at the time of Joseph etc.


Mohammed DID NOT know the content of either the Torah nor the Injeel except through Hear-Say

This is the problem of Islam.

These blunders are too embarrassing.
Qasim6(m): 10:46am On Nov 29, 2024
PROVERBZ:
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The good news Jesus Christ brought was the glad tidings of the final messanger and also the Kingdom of God that was coming.

Same Kingdom of God prophesied by Daniel.

So, Yeah his message was good news in all ramifications and you guys should stop fooling around with all these nonsense nonexistence Islam dilemma.

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PROVERBZ(m): 10:57am On Nov 29, 2024
Qasim6:


The good news Jesus Christ brought was the glad tidings of the final messanger and also the Kingdom of God that was coming.

Same Kingdom of God prophesied by Daniel.

So, Yeah his message was good news in all ramifications and you guys should stop fooling around with all these nonsense nonexistence Islam dilemma.
Does this not sound stupid to u?? Firstly, like u said, daniel and every other prophet had talked about this 'kingdom coming' so it wasnt new. Also, why didn't the message of the person who prophesied the coming of Jesus get his message called good news since in islam Jesus is supposed to be the messiah?

The messiah concept in Islam is also another Dilema for Islam. Messiah means anointed one and was used to refer to a savior. The jews were waiting for a miilitary savior to save them from the Roman's and the Christians expected him to make atonement for their transgressions there by granting salvation and saving them from the fires of hell. Now, my question is, what is Isah anointed to save in Islam? From the of Islam, he was the most useless prophet ever. His message got missing, didn't do nothing etc.
Why is he the messiah?

Why all this dilemmas??
MaxInDHouse(m): 10:58am On Nov 29, 2024
GothamCities:

It's Good News in Christendom because there had never been such a message before Christ came on the scene. Christ's message is a message of salvation through Grace which is received by faith. No prophet before Jesus has ever had such a message. Hence, the message is Good News.
What is the Good News (Injeel) of Jesus according to Islam? We'll like to know.
Truth is bitter but no matter how bitter it is we must speak the truth to put Satan to shame.

All so called Abrahamic religions are claiming faith in the same God it's takes deep thoughts to unravel the secret and to know that there is just one religion that belongs to the God of Abraham today! smiley
Qasim6(m): 11:19am On Nov 29, 2024
PROVERBZ:
Does this not sound stupid to u?? Firstly, like u said, daniel and every other prophet had talked about this 'kingdom coming' so it wasnt new. Also, why didn't the message of the person who prophesied the coming of Jesus get his message called good news since in islam Jesus is supposed to be the messiah?

The messiah concept in Islam is also another Dilema for Islam. Messiah means anointed one and was used to refer to a savior. The jews were waiting for a miilitary savior to save them from the Roman's and the Christians expected him to make atonement for their transgressions there by granting salvation and saving them from the fires of hell. Now, my question is, what is Isah anointed to save in Islam? From the of Islam, he was the most useless prophet ever. His message got missing, didn't do nothing etc.
Why is he the messiah?

Why all this dilemmas??

You may benefit on strengthening your logical reasoning skills.

All previous prophet before Prophet Muhammad were all sent to some group of people or some sect, The last prophet is to the whole of mankind, So it's a big thing coming. Bringing such news is a good news.

And the kingdom of God is supposed to end the Romans rule. The Roman empire is no more here for some centuries now. FOR HOW LONG SHOULD WE WAIT FOR??

All this nonsense someone dying for your sins is all hogwash that have no scriptural backing. And no, our prophet is not useless. He will complete his mission on his 2nd coming.


All those dilemmas are just in your head!
PROVERBZ(m): 11:26am On Nov 29, 2024
Qasim6:


You may benefit on strengthening your logical reasoning skills.

All previous prophet before Prophet Muhammad were all sent to some group of people or some sect, The last prophet is to the whole of mankind, So it's a big thing coming. Bringing such news is a good news.

And the kingdom of God is supposed to end the Romans rule. The Roman empire is no more here for some centuries now. FOR HOW LONG SHOULD WE WAIT FOR??

All this nonsense someone dying for your sins is all hogwash that have no scriptural backing. And no, our prophet is not useless. He will complete his mission on his 2nd coming.


All those dilemmas are just in your head!
Good.. use Islamic sources to show me where Jesus is recorded talking about this prophet for all nations.

My bro, if u are not able to fins this, then u must explain how u came about this hogwash u made up.

Perhaps it's time to accept that Allah copied the Christians without thinking.
GothamCities: 11:34am On Nov 29, 2024
MaxInDHouse:

Truth is bitter but no matter how bitter it is we must speak the truth to put Satan to shame.

All so called Abrahamic religions are claiming faith in the same God it's takes deep thoughts to unravel the secret and to know that there is just one religion that belongs to the God of Abraham today! smiley


There's actually no religion that belongs to the God of Abraham. God didn't create religion. He only established a plan of Salvation after the fall of Adam and provided Jesus as a Solution for the problem of sin.

Religion is an invention of man created by different men in an attempt to get back to God after the separation. However, God provided Jesus who said "I am The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father except by me".

No religion leads to God. Only Jesus does.
Qasim6(m): 11:45am On Nov 29, 2024
PROVERBZ:
Good.. use Islamic sources to show me where Jesus is recorded talking about this prophet for all nations.

My bro, if u are not able to fins this, then u must explain how u came about this hogwash u made up.

Perhaps it's time to accept that Allah copied the Christians without thinking.


Here is how Papias described gospel written by Apostle Matthew

"Papias said that Matthew the Apostle was the first to write a gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Papias also said that others translated the Hebrew or Aramaic gospel to the best of their ability. "

The Mathew we ended up with was written in Greek and forged using Marks.

Bring me that original Mathew and I will show you where Jesus talked about the final messanger.

Q 61:6
And ˹˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”

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GothamCities: 11:45am On Nov 29, 2024
Qasim6:


The good news Jesus Christ brought was the glad tidings of the final messanger and also the Kingdom of God that was coming.

Same Kingdom of God prophesied by Daniel.

So, Yeah his message was good news in all ramifications and you guys should stop fooling around with all these nonsense nonexistence Islam dilemma.

There's no news about that! Everyone knew before Jesus Christ that the Kingdom of God was coming. It was no news at all. So, what's the Good News about that as far as Jesus is concerned? The News had existed before Jesus and is not related to Jesus at all.

Jesus didn't talk about any coming prophet. If you think He did, kindly show us where.

The Good News is a message of Salvation. The remedy for perishing souls which is found in Christ alone. That's what the Good News was all about. It has been so before Mohamed, during mohammed and after Mohamed. The Good News has not changed. It only changed in Islam.
Qasim6(m): 11:47am On Nov 29, 2024
GothamCities:


There's no news about that! Everyone knew before Jesus Christ that the Kingdom of God was coming. It was no news at all. So, what's the Good News about that as far as Jesus is concerned? The News had existed before Jesus and is not related to Jesus at all.

Jesus didn't talk about any coming prophet. If you think He did, kindly show us where.

The Good News is a message of Salvation. The remedy for perishing souls which is found in Christ alone. That's what the Good News was all about. It has been so before Mohamed, during mohammed and after Mohamed. The Good News has not changed. It only changed in Islam.

Here is how Papias described gospel written by Apostle Matthew

"Papias said that Matthew the Apostle was the first to write a gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Papias also said that others translated the Hebrew or Aramaic gospel to the best of their ability. "

The Mathew we ended up with was written in Greek and forged using Marks.

Bring me that original Mathew and I will show you where Jesus talked about the final messanger.

Q 61:6
And ˹˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”

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PROVERBZ(m): 11:50am On Nov 29, 2024
Qasim6:


Here is how Papias described gospel written by Apostle Matthew

"Papias said that Matthew the Apostle was the first to write a gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Papias also said that others translated the Hebrew or Aramaic gospel to the best of their ability. "

The Mathew we ended up with was written in Greek and forged using Marks.

Bring me that original Mathew and I will show you where Jesus talked about the final messanger.

Q 61:6
And ˹˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”
I didn't ask u about this fairy tales, lol. I simply asked u to show Me the Islamic sources where Jesus claimed that there would be a prophet for all nations coming after him. Don't bother about Christian sources, use your Islamic sources. I heard u have a whole chapter written about Jesus and that his name was mentioned more times than any other. Surely, something as important as this would have been included and u would not have to make it up to try and correct the Islamic delimma I pointed out.
Qasim6(m): 11:57am On Nov 29, 2024
PROVERBZ:
I didn't ask u about this fairy tales, lol. I simply asked u to show Me the Islamic sources where Jesus claimed that there would be a prophet for all nations coming after him. Don't bother about Christian sources, use your Islamic sources. I heard u have a whole chapter written about Jesus and that his name was mentioned more times than any other. Surely, something as important as this would have been included and u would not have to make it up to try and correct the Islamic delimma I pointed out.

So the Qur'an verse I quoted flew over your head?? grin

And in the meantime, you all can accept it's forged documents you are carrying around calling the message of Christ.
Explore2xmore: 12:01pm On Nov 29, 2024
PROVERBZ:


The messiah concept in Islam is also another Dilema for Islam. Messiah means anointed one and was used to refer to a savior. The jews were waiting for a miilitary savior to save them from the Roman's and the Christians expected him to make atonement for their transgressions there by granting salvation and saving them from the fires of hell. Now, my question is, what is Isah anointed to save in Islam? From the of Islam, he was the most useless prophet ever. His message got missing, didn't do nothing etc.
Why is he the messiah?

Why all this dilemmas??

You will need to first tackle this problem you claim from the Bible.

Are there people other than Jesus referred to messiah (anointed) in your Bible?

The term Messiah comes from the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means anointed one isn't it?

1 Samuel 24:6 (referring to King Saul)
He said to his men, 'The Lord forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the Lord’s anointed, or lay my hand on him; for he is the anointed of the Lord.

2 2 Samuel 23:1 (referring to King David)
These are the last words of David: 'The inspired utterance of David son of Jesse, the utterance of the man exalted by the Most High, the man anointed by the God of Jacob.

3 Isaiah 45:1
This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut.

4 1 Kings 19:16 (Elisha)
Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet.


In the Old Testament, the term messiah is not limited to a future savior. It serves as a title for anyone chosen by God for a specific divine purpose, including kings, priests, and leaders.

Now did Jesus not have a specific purpose for Israel?


Islam regards Isa (Jesus) as a significant prophet and messenger, divinely ed and known as Al-Masih (the Messiah). However, it does not accept the ideas of his divinity, atonement, or a mission to create a spiritual kingdom as understood in Christianity. The Islamic perspective highlights Isa’s role in reinforcing monotheism and preparing for the final revelation delivered by Prophet Muhammad pbuh

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GothamCities: 12:03pm On Nov 29, 2024
Qasim6:


Here is how Papias described gospel written by Apostle Matthew

"Papias said that Matthew the Apostle was the first to write a gospel, and that he did so in Hebrew. Papias also said that others translated the Hebrew or Aramaic gospel to the best of their ability. "

The Mathew we ended up with was written in Greek and forged using Marks.

Bring me that original Mathew and I will show you where Jesus talked about the final messanger.
My dear, what do you mean by "that original Mathew!" The earliest earliest surviving manuscripts of the book of Mathew date back to the 2nd or 3rd century AD. These are manuscripts that are about 400yrs older than Mohammed. These manuscripts forms the basis of our current Book of Mathew. There's nowhere in the earliest manuscripts or in the translations where the name Ahmad was ever mentioned. Why are you guys so bendy on being deceived?

1. Early manuscripts of Mathew: Codex Vaticanus (c. 325-350 AD) and Codex Sinaiticus (c. 350 AD) are two of the oldest and most reliable manuscripts.

2. Patristic citations: Quotes from early Church Fathers, such as Origen (c. 185-254 AD) and Eusebius (c. 260-340 AD), provide valuable insights in the book.

Some notable manuscripts of Matthew's Gospel include:

- Codex Vaticanus (c. 325-350 AD)

- Codex Sinaiticus (c. 350 AD)

- Codex Alexandrinus (c. 400-440 AD)

- Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (c. 400-440 AD)

All these manuscripts correlate remarkably with each other!

Q 61:6
And ˹˺ when Jesus, son of Mary, said, “O children of Israel! I am truly Allah’s messenger to you, confirming the Torah which came before me, and giving good news of a messenger after me whose name will be Aḥmad.” Yet when the Prophet came to them with clear proofs, they said, “This is pure magic.”

There's no manuscript anywhere that contains this lie.
PROVERBZ(m): 12:04pm On Nov 29, 2024
Qasim6:


So the Qur'an verse I quoted flew over your head?? grin

And in the meantime, you all can accept it's forged documents you are carrying around calling the message of Christ.
u quoted a verse where Isah says there would be a prophet named Ahmad. What I didn't see there is that he would be a prophet for all nations. I need a verse where isah says this before we can move on.
The reason why I am demanding this is because u claimed isahs message was named Good news because he came to introduce a prophet for all mankind which previous prophets were not and this makes it a big news. Personally, I fail to see how this is a good news. Prophets are simply messangers and i don't think any community celebrated the coming of a prophet in the Bible. People waited and celebrated the coming of a messiah tho.
Qasim6(m): 12:10pm On Nov 29, 2024
GothamCities:

My dear, what do you mean by "that original Mathew!" The earliest earliest surviving manuscripts of the book of Mathew date back to the 2nd or 3rd century AD. These are manuscripts that are about 400yrs older than Mohammed. These manuscripts forms the basis of our current Book of Mathew. There's nowhere in the earliest manuscripts or in the translations where the name Ahmad was ever mentioned. Why are you guys so bendy on being deceived?

1. Early manuscripts of Mathew: Codex Vaticanus (c. 325-350 AD) and Codex Sinaiticus (c. 350 AD) are two of the oldest and most reliable manuscripts.

2. Patristic citations: Quotes from early Church Fathers, such as Origen (c. 185-254 AD) and Eusebius (c. 260-340 AD), provide valuable insights in the book.

Some notable manuscripts of Matthew's Gospel include:

- Codex Vaticanus (c. 325-350 AD)

- Codex Sinaiticus (c. 350 AD)

- Codex Alexandrinus (c. 400-440 AD)

- Codex Ephraemi Rescriptus (c. 400-440 AD)

All these manuscripts correlate remarkably with each other!

My guy you are the one that has been deceived. You are the one carrying a forged book around calling it message of Christ. I'm sorry to break this sad news to you.

GothamCities:

There's no manuscript anywhere that contains this lie.

Of course there is no manuscript that contains that truth, because you guys have nothing other than forgeries.
PROVERBZ(m): 12:14pm On Nov 29, 2024
Explore2xmore:


You will need to first tackle this problem you claim from the Bible.

Are there people other than Jesus referred to messiah (anointed) in your Bible?

The term Messiah comes from the Hebrew word Mashiach, which means anointed one isn't it?

1 Samuel 24:6 (referring to King Saul)
He said to his men, 'The Lord forbid that I should do such a thing to my master, the Lord’s anointed, or lay my hand on him; for he is the anointed of the Lord.

2 2 Samuel 23:1 (referring to King David)
These are the last words of David: 'The inspired utterance of David son of Jesse, the utterance of the man exalted by the Most High, the man anointed by the God of Jacob.

3 Isaiah 45:1
This is what the Lord says to his anointed, to Cyrus, whose right hand I take hold of to subdue nations before him and to strip kings of their armor, to open doors before him so that gates will not be shut.

4 1 Kings 19:16 (Elisha)
Also, anoint Jehu son of Nimshi king over Israel, and anoint Elisha son of Shaphat from Abel Meholah to succeed you as prophet.


In the Old Testament, the term messiah is not limited to a future savior. It serves as a title for anyone chosen by God for a specific divine purpose, including kings, priests, and leaders.

Now did Jesus not have a specific purpose for Israel?


Islam regards Isa (Jesus) as a significant prophet and messenger, divinely ed and known as Al-Masih (the Messiah). However, it does not accept the ideas of his divinity, atonement, or a mission to create a spiritual kingdom as understood in Christianity. The Islamic perspective highlights Isa’s role in reinforcing monotheism and preparing for the final revelation delivered by Prophet Muhammad pbuh
Notice how u have reduced the title messiah, to mean everybody that was supposedly anointed by God because it did not fit the messiah in Islam.

Now I will ask u this question, why is this specifically used for isah in the quran. Why wasn't Mohamed also given this title?
Explore2xmore: 12:21pm On Nov 29, 2024
PROVERBZ:
Notice how u have reduced the title messiah, to mean everybody that was supposedly anointed by God because it did not fit the messiah in Islam.

Now I will ask u this question, why is this specifically used for isah in the quran. Why wasn't Mohamed also given this title?

Know your faith properly first. See image


Are there verses I have quoted for you false? Perhaps you should read them in Hebrew

MaxInDHouse(m): 12:26pm On Nov 29, 2024
GothamCities:


There's actually no religion that belongs to the God of Abraham. God didn't create religion. He only established a plan of Salvation after the fall of Adam and provided Jesus as a Solution for the problem of sin.

Religion is an invention of man created by different men in an attempt to get back to God after the separation. However, God provided Jesus who said "I am The Way, The Truth and The Life. No one comes to the Father except by me".

No religion leads to God. Only Jesus does.

Hmmmmmmm, are you saying this because you were highly disappointed in what the world call "RELIGION" or you just don't want to know the truth?

For your information Jesus of Nazareth believe in religion according to what transpired between him and a Samaritan woman.

The woman said to Jesus:
"Our forefathers worshipped on this mountain, but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where people must worship.” John 4:20

Saying the above this woman is directly asking Jesus to tell her which religion is saying the truth between the Samaritan religion established on mountain Gerisim in Samaria or Judaism the religion of Jews established in Jerusalem's temple.

Let's take what Jesus the only begotten son of God have to say about that:

“Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews." John 4:21-22

Here Jesus is telling the Samaritan woman that true religion will no longer be a thing of one geographical location as it has been since the time God established the nation of Israel but as regards the question that woman asked Jesus it's the Jews who were worshiping in the temple in Jerusalem that's been practicing the true religion all along and as for Samaritans they were worshiping what they don't know.

So Jesus believe in RELIGION! smiley
Explore2xmore: 12:26pm On Nov 29, 2024
PROVERBZ(m): 12:30pm On Nov 29, 2024
Explore2xmore:


Know your faith properly first. See image


Are there verses I have quoted for you false? Perhaps you should read them in Hebrew
I am going to pretend as if I do not know of this specific messiah and just assume that everybody God has had dealings with is a messiah. I want to understand why the title is exclusively used only for Jesus carrying along the same Jewish and Christian tradition that claims this prophesied messiah is tasked with a special duty?

Why Is nobody else anointed or described ad anointed asides Jesus in the quran?
MaxInDHouse(m): 12:43pm On Nov 29, 2024
Explore2xmore:

https://www.learnreligions.com/who-is-the-anointed-one-in-the-bible-363390
Read and be enlighten

The Jews knew what "ANOINTED" means but in the case of the Messiah God promised the Israelites that one will have a double portion unlike all other humans who has been anointed before him.

Anointing is for two offices in Israel the office of the Highpriest and that of a King so talking about anointing an Israelite could be anointed as the Highpriest in Israel or anointed as King but the promised Messiah will have double anointing because he will serve as Highpriest and King simultaneously.

That is what king David himself knew before addressing this Messiah as "Lord"

"The LORD said unto my Lord, Sit thou at my right hand, until I make thine enemies thy footstool. The LORD shall send the rod of thy strength out of Zion: rule thou in the midst of thine enemies. Thy people shall be willing in the day of thy power, in the beauties of holiness from the womb of the morning: thou hast the dew of thy youth. The LORD hath sworn, and will not repent, Thou art a priest for ever after the order of Melchizedek." Psalms 110:1-4

The highlighted in blue shows how David who himself is an anointed highly revere the promised Messiah while the highlighted in green shows that the real Messiah will serve as both Highpriest and King just like Melchizedek.

Thanks for reading our book your book God's word the Bible! smiley
GothamCities: 12:47pm On Nov 29, 2024
MaxInDHouse:


Hmmmmmmm, are you saying this because you were highly disappointed in what the world call "RELIGION" or you just don't want to know the truth?
I'm not disappointed in Religion because I've never practiced one. I'm talking on the basis of what I know of God from His Word.

For your information Jesus of Nazareth believe in religion according to what transpired between him and a Samaritan woman.

The woman said to Jesus:
"Our forefathers worshipped on this mountain, but you people say that in Jerusalem is the place where people must worship.” John 4:20

Saying the above this woman is directly asking Jesus to tell her which religion is saying the truth between the Samaritan religion established on mountain Gerisim in Samaria or Judaism the religion of Jews established in Jerusalem's temple.

Let's take what Jesus the only begotten son of God have to say about that:

“Believe me, woman, the hour is coming when neither on this mountain nor in Jerusalem will you worship the Father. You worship what you do not know; we worship what we know, because salvation begins with the Jews." John 4:21-22

Here Jesus is telling the Samaritan woman that true religion will no longer be a thing of one geographical location as it has been since the time God established the nation of Israel but as regards the question that woman asked Jesus it's the Jews who were worshiping in the temple in Jerusalem that's been practicing the true religion all along and as for Samaritans they were worshiping what they don't know.

So Jesus believe in RELIGION! smiley


Lol. You actually contradicted yourself:

1. You said the woman was asking Jesus which religion was telling the truth about where to worship God.

2. You said Jesus answered the woman that religion would no longer be a thing of geographical location. Was that the question the woman asked Jesus?

The woman was not even trying to any religion. She was only asking for the correct place to worship, whether in Jerusalem or Samaria. Jesus didn't answer her in of religion too. Infact the answer Jesus gave the woman should abolish any thought of religion in any human. Jesus said:

1. You'll not need to worship God in any particular place. This is religion. Religion worships God in particular places and in particular formats.

2. Jesus said those who will worship God would do so in spirit and In truth. Religion does not worship God in spirit and in truth. Religion worships God in formalities, rites, rules, dogmas, chosen places, etc.

3. Jesus said "SALVATION IS OF THE JEWS." Jesus didn't say "Religion is of the Jews" because He was not talking about religion. He didn't want religion. He only wanted to save the world. His talk therefore was centered on salvation. His ministry on earth was centered on salvation and not religion.
Explore2xmore: 12:48pm On Nov 29, 2024
PROVERBZ:
I am going to pretend as if I do not know of this specific messiah and just assume that everybody God has had dealings with is a messiah. I want to understand why the title is exclusively used only for Jesus carrying along the same Jewish and Christian tradition that claims this prophesied messiah is tasked with a special duty?

Why Is nobody else anointed or described ad anointed asides Jesus in the quran?

Do you know what the intertestamental period Is?

Do you not know that the Israelites had strayed from their path before Jesus emerged as a prophet, marked by spiritual disunity, moral decay, and a disregard for prophetic teachings?

Did Jesus not come to guide the Israelites back to true monotheism or your Bible is devoid of him stating that God is one and testifying to the truth of the older scripture?
Qasim6(m): 12:50pm On Nov 29, 2024
PROVERBZ:
u quoted a verse where Isah says there would be a prophet named Ahmad. What I didn't see there is that he would be a prophet for all nations. I need a verse where isah says this before we can move on.
The reason why I am demanding this is because u claimed isahs message was named Good news because he came to introduce a prophet for all mankind which previous prophets were not and this makes it a big news. Personally, I fail to see how this is a good news. Prophets are simply messangers and i don't think any community celebrated the coming of a prophet in the Bible. People waited and celebrated the coming of a messiah tho.


At least you have seen a verse where Jesus talked about Ahmad.

Q7:158
Say, “O humanity! I am Allah’s Messenger to you all. To Him ˹alone˺ belongs the kingdom of the heavens and the earth. There is no god ˹worthy of worship˺ except Him. He gives life and causes death.” So believe in Allah and His Messenger, the unlettered Prophet, who believes in Allah and His revelations. And follow him, so you may be ˹rightly˺ guided.

Isaiah 42 also described him as a light to all nations.

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