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Kingsempires:also include satanist who worship Satan as the one god. Anybody that claims he is worshiping one God you assume it must be the same with the Christian God. How can allah who doesn't have a son, be the same God of Christians who have a son? |
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AntiChristian: Yes, in Yoruba culture and religion, it is believed that the ancestors (known as **Egungun**) and the gods or deities (known as **Orishas**) play significant roles in guiding the living, especially in decision-making. The ancestors, who are revered and honored through rituals, are thought to continue to have a presence in the lives of their descendants. They are believed to provide protection, guidance, and blessings, and are often consulted during important family or community decisions. The Orishas, on the other hand, are powerful deities representing various aspects of nature and life (such as Ogun for war and iron, or Sango for thunder and lightning). They act as intermediaries between the Supreme Being (**Olodumare**) and humans. In many cases, decisions are made after consulting these deities, often through divination practices like **Ifá**. Both the ancestors and the Orishas are believed to work together, influencing the course of events and ensuring harmony between the spiritual and physical worlds. Yes, the use of the "Royal We" when greeting elders in Yoruba culture reflects deep respect and reverence, rooted in the belief that elders are connected to both the living and the spiritual realms, including ancestors and the gods. The Yoruba people believe that elders carry the wisdom and experience of those who came before them, and their guidance is seen as divinely inspired. In Yoruba language and culture, plural pronouns and honorifics are used when addressing elders to show respect, acknowledging not only the individual but also their connection to the family lineage, ancestors, and the community. This form of address reinforces the idea that elders are embodiments of ancestral knowledge and have a special role in maintaining spiritual and social order. In essence, by using the "Royal We," younger people are recognizing the authority, spiritual significance, and the collective wisdom of their elders, which is believed to be influenced by both the gods (Orishas) and ancestors (Egungun). 1 Like |
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Ojuntana:exactly they can't see the irony. How can a god claims absolute oneness, yet prefers using "we" to describe himself simply it is more honorable. That is allah is not honorable enough so he had to copy human behaviour of making himself seem more than one person to gain more respect. |
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Ojuntana:Islam has totally corrupted Arabic culture. Even the language was affected by Islam. |
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Ojuntana: Just like for example, some says red means danger without knowing why red is taking to represent danger. |
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Petalss:Go an research the etymology of royal we or why they use it. Allah is one what? Do you know that the word "one" as used in Arabic is "ahad" guess what ahad means unity of many things. Hahaha Allah don enter problem, so the use of a plural "we" is more authoritative than singular "I", I don't disagree with it, but I am telling why it is considered so. 1 Like |
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Petalss:see ignorance. An individual does not use "we" for personal viewpoint rather as a monarch. Monarch are considered the embodiment of their kingdom or divine authority to rule their people. Hence when they speak their words are regarded as the collective decision of everyone in the kingdom. An autocratic can also use it, because he speaks on behalf of every one and it is binding on all. |
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AntiChristian:That is because it is believed that the elders or kings are not alone but the gods or ancestors are with them. Kings in history speak for their whole kingdom. They use "we" when speaking from their office as king which is a representation of the collective will of the people. you have just revealed that plurality is more glorious than singularity. It just exposes allah as a wannabe. 1 Like |
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Petalss:except the meaning of ignorance has changed. The use of plural "we" instead of "us" shows plurality of persons is more glorious than singular person meaning allah is just a wanna be. |
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Allah use of Royal "We" exposes him as one who represent another. The kings use Royal "We" because they represent the people.
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jaephoenix:same old debunked rhetorics. First Israel was prohibited from kidnapping and taking people as slaves. Slaves were people who willingly sold themselves into slavery, or people whom their parents sold into slavery due to disobedience, and slaves were more of workers, they were to work for their masters while in return he takes care of them. The slaves become the masters property meaning he is responsible for them. Exodus 21:20-21 says a Hebrew can beat a slave as much as he wants, as long as they survive for at least two days, "for the slave is his property".If the servant die due injury the master shall be put to death, so he had keep spending money to treat him hence wasting his money. Exodus 21:7-11 says a daughter who is sold into slavery is not to be set free, but the master can sell her if she doesn't please him.That is a lie, on the contrary the female servant would be redeem and should not be resold. In the New Testament, Paul says "Slaves, obey your masters with respect and fear" (Eph. 6:5)It is for the protection of the slave because in Rome the penalty for a disobedience slave is death but however Paul laid the ground work for their freedom. He told Philmont to recieve a run away slave not just as a freeman but as a brother. Philemon 1:15 For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever; 1:16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord? If your master is a Christian, you should work even harder to serve him so that you show respect to God. (1 Tim. 6:1-2). Thousands of years later through Christianity slavery was abolished. No where does the Bible explicitly speak out against slavery. No where does the Bible say "Thou shalt not own another person as property."because that wold not change people's heart only after christ came he brought grace and transformed the heart those who recieve him. To say that other cultures practiced slavery so God allowed it is to argue for moral and cultural relativism. God gave the Hebrews moral and cultural laws to seperate them from other nations. Any person separated from his family and sold on the auction block probably wished God had clearly condemned it.First of all forced slavery was abolished in the old testament, laws to make the Israelities have a better human relationship was ed however laws do not change people's heart. The true human change came when Jesus was revealed. RapeThere was no word forced in the Hebrew text. It wasn't rape but consexual sex but because the girl's bride price was not paid it can be said that the man grabbed her without paying her bride price and again the word used is not same word as rape. Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)That is a lie, it is not rape. She and the man were found to be having sex outside of marriage both were to be killed. If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.did you see where it was stipulated within the city were she could easily cry for help. This is not rape but contextual sex. It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.That is a lie, those were not rape victims. Murder (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)There is no where it indicates they were raped. Kept for yourselves means they could marry them, and Israel do not practice forced marriage. Deuteronomy 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife; 21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails; 21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife " removing the garment of her captivity indicate she should be treated as a free woman. Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)which were duly punished, God did not condole such acts. The bible records human sinful acts in other to learn lesson and desist from it. So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.God orders the anhilation of certain nations because they also did so to others and slo the dangers their exist would be for the future of the world. Those nations were carnivores and they offered babies and children for human sacrifice. And only few nations inhl history, Israel never went around wiping out others. Rape:That is a lie, again those were no forced sex but consensual ones. 1 Like |
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AntiChristian:I don't need to write hundreds of pages to define personhood. In the most important description of personhood is ability to self recognize, and also possess cognitive abilities. oversimplifies God's nature as "one what and three who's," and compares divine personhood to human experience.There is no oversimplification there human personhood is a reflection of a greater personhood which is that of God hence man is made in God's image. Why does Allah need men to be his slaves, it means allah is dependent on his creation. It implies dependency for love, narrows truth to two persons, and lacks scriptural . Also, it risks misinterpreting the Trinity as hierarchical rather than emphasizing co-equality and co-eternity among the three persons.Where did you get "dependency on love" ? Rather love, just as truth are divine attributes, it is self evident that love need atleast two individuals to exist. If I say God is eternal does that mean I said God depends on eternity? And by saying that God is eternal is it not evident that God is uncreated therefore? I didn't even mention any hierarchy, God can be hierarchical in his operations but it does not define God's Triunity of personhood. |
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IAmHim1: He had to be kept till the right time comes. Jesus didn't commit suicide but rather the authorities forcely took him and killed him he didn't resist them but allowed them fulfill what was written |
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AntiChristian:It is One God in three persons or three persons in one God. Persons in this context does not mean a human being but rather the self awareness of a being. Each of us as human being only possesses one self awareness in our being but God possesses a triune self awareness. Your being describe what you are, while the awareness of yourself makes you a person. In other words the Trinity is one what and three who's. The bible said God is love, for love to exist there must be a giver and a recipient since God is a trinity he does not depend on his creation to express love. Another example is truth, for truth to be justified there needs to be atleast two persons. Jesus said the father is his witness of the truth of his teachings and he also said that the Holy Spirit would witness for him while he witnessed for the father. 1 Like |
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jaephoenix:The bible does not condone slavery, except in cases of the old where people voluntary submitted themselves to serve under a master or enemies who werr captured (used as to reduce the fighting men of enemy nations). There is no misogyny in the bible, and the bible does not condone rape, the argument that the bible condone rape has being debunked already. Atheism can not not justify morality, if there is no God then morality simply becomes and opinion. 1 Like |
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StillDtruth:Wrong, eve is not lower than Adam, both Adam and eve fell into a lower position due to sin. Women were never lower than men neither in the past or present. 1 Like |
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Paul wasn't even imposing the law on them, but stressing the need for orderliness in the church which the law also says. Secondly, this has nothing to do with women doing the work of evangelism, or prophesying or teaching. As for women teaching, it is stated that a woman should not to teach or usurp authority to teach over a man. However, does that mean a woman can never ever teach no. For He said Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accs, not given to much wine, teachers of good things; 2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children, What Paul addressed is a woman taking the place of a man to teach or exercise authority over him. It has nothing to do with evangelism, prophesying or any other ministry. |
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MaxInDHouse:Read according to the context, Paul was speaking to the women of the church at Corinth because of their disorderly behaviour, he said "let your women keep silence" It does not mean women cant speak in the church but however not to disrupt service. |
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ocnovakmichael:So all the people that Paul mentioned their names were leaders of the church? So if Paul was just quoting the law , how come he said And so says the law also? Meaning the law was confirming it. You seems to make alot of assumptions, who says God didn't pour out upon all flesh? |
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gohf:you are confused. |
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gohf:you provided no answer. You are confused. Did I ask him if he is someone you can see or touch? You even calling the holy Spirit someone? Yet you don't know if he is a person or not? |
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gohf:don't change the question, is the holy Spirit a person? |
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gohf:you have not answered the question is the holy Spirit a person? |
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ocnovakmichael:So because they gather at the house of Chloe mean Chloe is their leader? Such baseless assumption. Did you read where Paul said let your women keep quiet? Paul was writing to the whole church of which the house of Chloe were part of. They came to report what was happening in the church. You just mixing unrelated verses of the scripture to promote an erroneous idea. 2 Likes |
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gohf:If you don't answer my question I won't answer you. |
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gohf:Why are you avoiding the question? You said ask the holy Spirit, so is the Holy Spirit is a person? |
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gohf:The father is God, The Son is God and the Holy spirit is God however the father is not the Holy Spirit nor is the holy Spirit the Son. |
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gohf:So you believe the Holy Spirit is a person? |
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gohf:I have already written it. |
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gohf:You are the one confusing yourself, you attributing to me what I didn't say. |
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gohf:trinity does not mean three gods. |
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