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jaephoenix:

Now lets break down the bible. I'll show you verses where your god condones all sorts of crimes.

Slavery
Leviticus 25:44-46
New International Version
44 “‘Your male and female slaves are to come from the nations around you; from them you may buy slaves. 45 You may also buy some of the temporary residents living among you and of their clans born in your country, and they will become your property. 46 You can bequeath them to your children as inherited property and can make them slaves for life, but you must not rule over your fellow Israelites ruthlessly.
Lev. 24:44-46 says you can purchase foreign slaves and their children, and treat them as your property, and them to your children as an inheritance.

same old debunked rhetorics.
First Israel was prohibited from kidnapping and taking people as slaves.
Slaves were people who willingly sold themselves into slavery, or people whom their parents sold into slavery due to disobedience, and slaves were more of workers, they were to work for their masters while in return he takes care of them. The slaves become the masters property meaning he is responsible for them.

Exodus 21:20-21 says a Hebrew can beat a slave as much as he wants, as long as they survive for at least two days, "for the slave is his property".

If the servant die due injury the master shall be put to death, so he had keep spending money to treat him hence wasting his money.

Exodus 21:7-11 says a daughter who is sold into slavery is not to be set free, but the master can sell her if she doesn't please him.

That is a lie, on the contrary the female servant would be redeem and should not be resold.

In the New Testament, Paul says "Slaves, obey your masters with respect and fear" (Eph. 6:5)

Slaves must accept their position with humility (Eph. 6:5-

Slaves must please their master "in everything" (Titus 2:9, Colossians 3:22)

It is for the protection of the slave because in Rome the penalty for a disobedience slave is death but however Paul laid the ground work for their freedom.
He told Philmont to recieve a run away slave not just as a freeman but as a brother.

Philemon 1:15 For perhaps he therefore departed for a season, that thou shouldest receive him for ever; 1:16 Not now as a servant, but above a servant, a brother beloved, specially to me, but how much more unto thee, both in the flesh, and in the Lord?

If your master is a Christian, you should work even harder to serve him so that you show respect to God. (1 Tim. 6:1-2).

Thousands of years later through Christianity slavery was abolished.

No where does the Bible explicitly speak out against slavery. No where does the Bible say "Thou shalt not own another person as property."

because that wold not change people's heart only after christ came he brought grace and transformed the heart those who recieve him.

To say that other cultures practiced slavery so God allowed it is to argue for moral and cultural relativism. God gave the Hebrews moral and cultural laws to seperate them from other nations. Any person separated from his family and sold on the auction block probably wished God had clearly condemned it.
Laws of Rape (Deuteronomy 22:28-29 NAB)

First of all forced slavery was abolished in the old testament, laws to make the Israelities have a better human relationship was ed however laws do not change people's heart. The true human change came when Jesus was revealed.

Rape

If a man is caught in the act of raping a young woman who is not engaged, he must pay fifty pieces of silver to her father. Then he must marry the young woman because he violated her, and he will never be allowed to divorce her.

What kind of lunatic would make a rape victim marry her attacker? Answer: God.

There was no word forced in the Hebrew text. It wasn't rape but consexual sex but because the girl's bride price was not paid it can be said that the man grabbed her without paying her bride price and again the word used is not same word as rape.

Death to the Rape Victim (Deuteronomy 22:23-24 NAB)

That is a lie, it is not rape. She and the man were found to be having sex outside of marriage both were to be killed.

If within the city a man comes upon a maiden who is betrothed, and has relations with her, you shall bring them both out of the gate of the city and there stone them to death: the girl because she did not cry out for help though she was in the city, and the man because he violated his neighbors wife.

did you see where it was stipulated within the city were she could easily cry for help. This is not rape but contextual sex.

It is clear that God doesn’t give a damn about the rape victim. He is only concerned about the violation of another mans “property”.

That is a lie, those were not rape victims.

Murder (Numbers 31:7-18 NLT)
They attacked Midian just as the LORD had commanded Moses, and they killed all the men. All five of the Midianite kings – Evi, Rekem, Zur, Hur, and Reba – died in the battle. They also killed Balaam son of Beor with the sword. Then the Israelite army captured the Midianite women and children and seized their cattle and flocks and all their wealth as plunder. They burned all the towns and villages where the Midianites had lived. After they had gathered the plunder and captives, both people and animals, they brought them all to Moses and Eleazar the priest, and to the whole community of Israel, which was camped on the plains of Moab beside the Jordan River, across from Jericho.

Moses, Eleazar the priest, and all the leaders of the people went to meet them outside the camp. But Moses was furious with all the military commanders who had returned from the battle. “Why have you let all the women live?” he demanded. “These are the very ones who followed Balaam’s advice and caused the people of Israel to rebel against the LORD at Mount Peor. They are the ones who caused the plague to strike the LORD’s people. Now kill all the boys and all the women who have slept with a man. Only the young girls who are virgins may live; you may keep them for yourselves.

Clearly Moses and God approves of rape of virgins.

There is no where it indicates they were raped. Kept for yourselves means they could marry them, and Israel do not practice forced marriage.

Deuteronomy 21:11 And seest among the captives a beautiful woman, and hast a desire unto her, that thou wouldest have her to thy wife;

21:12 Then thou shalt bring her home to thine house; and she shall shave her head, and pare her nails;

21:13 And she shall put the raiment of her captivity from off her, and shall remain in thine house, and bewail her father and her mother a full month: and after that thou shalt go in unto her, and be her husband, and she shall be thy wife " removing the garment of her captivity indicate she should be treated as a free woman.

Murder, rape, and pillage at Jabesh-gilead (Judges 21:10-24 NLT)

which were duly punished, God did not condole such acts. The bible records human sinful acts in other to learn lesson and desist from it.

So they sent twelve thousand warriors to Jabesh-gilead with orders to kill everyone there, including women and children. “This is what you are to do,” they said. “Completely destroy all the males and every woman who is not a virgin.” Among the residents of Jabesh-gilead they found four hundred young virgins who had never slept with a man, and they brought them to the camp at Shiloh in the land of Canaan.

Genocide:
Deut 20:16-17 has God ordering the Hebrews to commit 6 complete and total genocides.

1 Sam 15:3 has God explicitly ordering another complete and total genocide including killing infants.

God orders the anhilation of certain nations because they also did so to others and slo the dangers their exist would be for the future of the world. Those nations were carnivores and they offered babies and children for human sacrifice. And only few nations inhl history, Israel never went around wiping out others.

Rape:
Deut 22:28-29 lays out the means by which a man may rape a virgin, pay off her father, and marry her. Nothing says that she has the right to say no.


Do you want more verses?

That is a lie, again those were no forced sex but consensual ones.

AntiChristian:


This your explanation of the Trinity has several limitations: it ambiguously defines "self-awareness,"

I don't need to write hundreds of pages to define personhood. In the most important description of personhood is ability to self recognize, and also possess cognitive abilities.

oversimplifies God's nature as "one what and three who's," and compares divine personhood to human experience.

There is no oversimplification there human personhood is a reflection of a greater personhood which is that of God hence man is made in God's image. Why does Allah need men to be his slaves, it means allah is dependent on his creation.

It implies dependency for love, narrows truth to two persons, and lacks scriptural . Also, it risks misinterpreting the Trinity as hierarchical rather than emphasizing co-equality and co-eternity among the three persons.

Where did you get "dependency on love" ? Rather love, just as truth are divine attributes, it is self evident that love need atleast two individuals to exist. If I say God is eternal does that mean I said God depends on eternity? And by saying that God is eternal is it not evident that God is uncreated therefore? I didn't even mention any hierarchy, God can be hierarchical in his operations but it does not define God's Triunity of personhood.

IAmHim1:
Since the whole of Christianity believes God sent his own son to come and comit suicide(holy suicide ) for their sin, then why wasn't Jesus killed around the time when he was born

, Joseph and Mary had to flee to protect baby Jesus...and around that time, lots of babies was killed

Why take so much risk to keep baby Jesus safe if after all he was sent to die for the sins of the world?

Did it really matter if he dies as a baby or he dies as an adult?
Isn't death death?
Or is one's death more special if one does as an adult??
A child death only affects the parents more...not the self entitled people around calling themselves 'christians'

Or is the Christian community making the insolent blunder to think that God was FATTENING his own son because their sins was too much... so Jesus had to grow up and get fat so that his blood can absorb the sins of the world very well

Is that what the Christian community is telling me?

That God that preached against suicide would send his own son to come and commit suicide for them?!


The same God that can wipe their entire existence away and start afresh had to send HIS OWN SON TO DIE FOR THEM!!!

Damn! Humanity must be so special for Jesus to commit suicide for them

BECAUSE OF WHAT? HUMANITY IS SPECIAL
because we're the only creation he created??!!!

Hahahahaha.

Happy Sunday in advance...Get ready to be deceived tomorrow by confused men in suits...after being deceived you'll still pay your hard earned money...

making yet again ANOTHER blunder: thinking that heaven spends your pathetic worthless paper money...

So less money in the church means heaven is broke right




Hint: go through my topics. You'll get your answer if you so desire

He had to be kept till the right time comes.
Jesus didn't commit suicide but rather the authorities forcely took him and killed him he didn't resist them but allowed them fulfill what was written

AntiChristian:
The concept of the Trinity—the Christian doctrine that defines God as one being in three persons: the Father, the Son, and the Holy Spirit—has been explained through various analogies and theological frameworks. Here’s a summary of some of the best ways it has been explained, along with the corresponding impediments to each explanation:

1.Water Analogy
Explanation: Water can exist in three states: liquid, ice, and steam. Each state is fundamentally water yet manifests differently.
Impediment: This analogy leans towards modalism, suggesting that God merely changes forms rather than existing simultaneously in three persons.

2.Triangular Analogy
Explanation: A triangle has three sides and is one shape. Each side represents a person of the Trinity, unified as one entity.
Impediment: This can imply that the persons of the Trinity are merely parts of a whole, which can lead to a misunderstanding of the distinctiveness and co-equality of the three persons.

3.Roles of a Person Analogy
Explanation: A person can be a parent, a child, and a sibling simultaneously, showcasing different roles while remaining one person.
Impediment: This analogy risks falling into partialism or modalism as well, blurring the lines of individual personhood within the Trinity.

4.Sun Analogy
Explanation: The sun represents the Father, its light represents the Son, and heat represents the Holy Spirit. All are aspects of the same source.
Impediment: This analogy can imply that the Son and the Holy Spirit are not fully divine as they are merely emanations from the Father.

5. Mathematical Analogy
Explanation: Using the equation 1 + 1 + 1 = 1, this analogy emphasizes the unity of the three persons in one essence.
Impediment: It can confuse those unfamiliar with advanced mathematics and may not effectively convey the relationship between the three persons. 1+1+1= 3 not 1.

6. The Egg Analogy
The egg analogy explains the Trinity using an egg's three parts: shell, egg white, and yolk, which together form one egg. It illustrates unity and distinction. However, it risks partialism, implying each part is only a portion of God, and oversimplifies the complex relationships among the three persons.

So what is the best way to explain trinity without embracing modalism, partialism or debasing God from what He is not?

It is One God in three persons or three persons in one God.
Persons in this context does not mean a human being but rather the self awareness of a being.

Each of us as human being only possesses one self awareness in our being but God possesses a triune self awareness.
Your being describe what you are, while the awareness of yourself makes you a person.

In other words the Trinity is one what and three who's.

The bible said God is love, for love to exist there must be a giver and a recipient since God is a trinity he does not depend on his creation to express love.
Another example is truth, for truth to be justified there needs to be atleast two persons.
Jesus said the father is his witness of the truth of his teachings and he also said that the Holy Spirit would witness for him while he witnessed for the father.

jaephoenix:

I wish you would be ready to debate with me on this.
The Bible condones slavery, misogyny, ra.pe, racism, assault etc, all instructions from your god.
So if this makes this video useless, cos the bible is not a moral com at all

The bible does not condone slavery, except in cases of the old where people voluntary submitted themselves to serve under a master or enemies who werr captured (used as to reduce the fighting men of enemy nations).

There is no misogyny in the bible, and the bible does not condone rape, the argument that the bible condone rape has being debunked already.

Atheism can not not justify morality, if there is no God then morality simply becomes and opinion.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hzI7BWTrGOQ?si=yIvUjm8UkboGvCN3

StillDtruth:


You know this is not True.

You know at creation both the male and female were equal which is why the bible Said "their name was Adam", the history and beginning of Mr. and Mrs the man's name (and not Adam and Eve as people have been taught to see)

And you women already knew that it is because female Adam sinned first, is why she became lower than her equal exactly how classmates are equal but the one who steals will be lower than the rest of his classmates.

Wrong, eve is not lower than Adam, both Adam and eve fell into a lower position due to sin.
Women were never lower than men neither in the past or present.

Paul wasn't even imposing the law on them, but stressing the need for orderliness in the church which the law also says.

Secondly, this has nothing to do with women doing the work of evangelism, or prophesying or teaching.

As for women teaching, it is stated that a woman should not to teach or usurp authority to teach over a man.

However, does that mean a woman can never ever teach no.
For He said

Titus 2:3 The aged women likewise, that they be in behaviour as becometh holiness, not false accs, not given to much wine, teachers of good things;

2:4 That they may teach the young women to be sober, to love their husbands, to love their children,

What Paul addressed is a woman taking the place of a man to teach or exercise authority over him.

It has nothing to do with evangelism, prophesying or any other ministry.

MaxInDHouse:
Females should KEEP QUIET where men are talking about sacred secrets but they can assist their children and female neighbors in preaching and teaching.

The only room open for a female to stand preaching before men is when there are no baptized males in the gathering then she will have to lead in prayer and worship but she must use a cloth to cover her head as a sign of respect for the headship that rightfully belongs to men. 1Corinthians 11:3-6

Thank you!

Read according to the context, Paul was speaking to the women of the church at Corinth because of their disorderly behaviour, he said "let your women keep silence" It does not mean women cant speak in the church but however not to disrupt service.

ocnovakmichael:


How did you know Chloe was not the leader?

When Paul was mentioning those of the house of Chloe he would've mentioned the leader. Yet he said, "... It has been reported by those of the house of Chloe."

Brothers, like I said, I'm not here to explain away the scriptures, but to let everyone see that Paul wasn't in the wrong for quoting the law. Also, that God has poured out his Spirit upon all flesh (male and female).

So all the people that Paul mentioned their names were leaders of the church?
So if Paul was just quoting the law , how come he said And so says the law also? Meaning the law was confirming it.
You seems to make alot of assumptions, who says God didn't pour out upon all flesh?

gohf:
changing which question, oga stop hiding under false pretext.

I have read some of your responses and you either do not know the Holy Spirit not to speak of having him in your life.

you are confused.

gohf:
if you cant accept my answer which is what was written me i dont understand what your point is.

So you cannot ask the Holy Spirit abi, expect he is someone you can see and touch abi 🤣🤣🤣

you provided no answer. You are confused.


Did I ask him if he is someone you can see or touch? You even calling the holy Spirit someone? Yet you don't know if he is a person or not?

gohf:
you are praising someone

Okay who is being referred to in Psalm 89:27 was it Jesus or David. Whatever you answer also answer why the throne of Christ was referred to has the throne of David

Oh wasn't Jacob abi Israel also referred to as firstborn, hmm, let's not bring out all of them yet. Please answer

don't change the question, is the holy Spirit a person?

gohf:


Here is your answer
Luke.12.12 - for the Holy Spirit will teach you what needs to be said even as you are standing there."
John.14.26 - But when the Father sends the Counselor as my representative--and by the Counselor I mean the Holy Spirit--he will teach you everything and will remind you of everything I myself have told you.
1Tim.4.1 - Now the Holy Spirit tells us clearly that in the last times some will turn away from what we believe; they will follow lying spirits and teachings that come from demons.
1John.2.27 - But you have received the Holy Spirit, and he lives within you, so you don't need anyone to teach you what is true. For the Spirit teaches you all things, and what he teaches is true--it is not a lie. So continue in what he has taught you, and continue to live in Christ.

you have not answered the question is the holy Spirit a person?

ocnovakmichael:



If you say my post are filled with error, is the word of God of error? I write that which the Spirit spake: for it is not in man that walketh to direct his steps.



How did you know it was not the women at Corinth who wrote to Paul about the rift in the church at Corinth?

Let us carefully analyze that scripture logically in the church's order.

Corinthians 1:11-12
11. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.


Paul says,

You see, those who reported the contention at the church of Corinth are of the house of Chloe. Chloe is a woman and a leader of that group of Christians called "the house of Chloe." It is only logical that for every letter that will proceed from the house of Chloe to Paul, must go through Chloe the leader of that group in that order. Also, being a woman leader, it is only logical to reason that most of the congregants, by association, will be women. (I am speaking as a man).

Now I'm not here to explain away the scriptures, but to let everyone see that Paul wasn't wrong when he said the women should keep quiet in the churches: he's only quoting what is in the law of Moses. And like I earlier stated by the Spirit, "some of the law were given by Moses because of the stubbornness of the Jews not necessarily because God says so."

But God speaking through the mouth of the prophet Joel says, "It shall come to in the last days that I shall pour out my spirit upon all flesh."

The question is, "are women part of all flesh?" If they are, then God says, His spirit will be poured upon them also. And the Lord Jesus says that that same spirit of power will enable them be witnesses unto him, of his death, burial, and resurrection.

In the final analysis, the Bible says, " For what the law could not do, in that it was weak through the flesh, God sending his own Son in the likeness of sinful flesh, and for sin, condemned sin in the flesh" (Romans 8:3). Put somewhat differently, what was not permissible through the law, being that it was weak, is permissible under grace by Christ Jesus.

So because they gather at the house of Chloe mean Chloe is their leader? Such baseless assumption.
Did you read where Paul said let your women keep quiet?
Paul was writing to the whole church of which the house of Chloe were part of. They came to report what was happening in the church.

You just mixing unrelated verses of the scripture to promote an erroneous idea.

gohf:
okay where did you get this from the bible?

If you don't answer my question I won't answer you.

gohf:
keep wasting time asking questions instead of telling us, what is trinity

Why are you avoiding the question? You said ask the holy Spirit, so is the Holy Spirit is a person?

gohf:
rewrite what would it take you to do so.
Don't be too proud to copy your own words and paste them once again. Tell us what is trinity 😅 you have written it where I did not see it

The father is God, The Son is God and the Holy spirit is God however the father is not the Holy Spirit nor is the holy Spirit the Son.

gohf:
of course it is men like me, that's why I pray not to be deceived by lying spirits and false dreams.

You have heard the truth either believe it, or believe your institutions tell you. You have a bible, there is the Holy Spirit ask him yourself He is the Spirit of truth the world cannot receive.

So you believe the Holy Spirit is a person?

gohf:
you could have just written what it means you know

I have already written it.

gohf:
🤣 God is in different persons playing different roles as to mean the Holy Spirit is the Father on earth abi? so when He is in Holy Spirit is when He doesn't want to forgive sins against Him 😏 God is not confused nor is he the author of confusion. Keep confusing yourself

You are the one confusing yourself, you attributing to me what I didn't say.

gohf:

This is what John wrote

1John.5.7 - For there are three that bear witness in heaven: the Father, the Word, and the Holy Spirit; and these three are one.


Where did we find trinity in the bible or that there are 3gods

Why is this issue seemly forced, can't they be the three witnesses must they be three God's?

trinity does not mean three gods.

gohf:
of course not, it is men who twist God's word and bring confusion teaching things thay contradict God's word and nature

men like you right? You should repent, ask Jesus to help you know the truth about him.
Jesus is God, he is the creator, judge and ruler of all creation.

gohf:
this is the same error written in rccg Sunday Sunday 8th September

John wrote in Him, God, was life Jesus that is light

John came to testify about the light Jesus

Did you not see an exclamation mark at the end of what Thomas said my Lord my God! Thomas made an exclamation not a statement

Paul never called Jesus God, he mention great God and our saviour Jesus Christ two different persons same with Peter in 2 Peter 1:1

This is what Paul wrote 1Cor.15.27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ. 1Cor.15.28 When everything and everyone is finally under God's rule, the Son will step down, taking his place with everyone else, showing that God's rule is absolutely comprehensive--a perfect ending!

This is exactly happens in Revelation

Paul called Jesus God and saviour.
Thomas exclaimed and called Jesus his Lord and God.
John called Jesus God in John 1:1.
Jesus called himself the "I AM" which is yahweh's name.
Your heresy has being debunked

gohf:
this is the response you give when you ignore gospel and the truth, even when it clearly written.

I praise that in incompetence his grace is sufficient makes perfect us even in weaknesses and I thank God for the holy spirit that teaches all things

The Holy Spirit does not teach heresies neither does God's grace strengths people in error.

nikky5:
Few days ago I and daughter read the testimony of the seven Columbian youths who were taken by the Lord to hell and heaven.
One of them gave an how they saw a man burning in hell fire because while he was alive, he didn't tithe.
This sparked a debate between me and my teenage children that will God send a person to hell if he or she didn't tithe.
I decided to go to God in prayer. This is because I used to tithe but I was greatly blessed with contracts during the periods I didn't tithe. So I stopped.
But this morning, the Lord spoke to me about tithing in the church.
He told me that I cannot go to hell if I don't tithe. He said He has shed His blood on the cross for our salvation and it's not mentioned anywhere in the entire Bible that none tithers will die and go to hell. He told me that pastors brought the old testament tithing to raise money for the church work. He said it is not a sin if you don't tithe and you cannot go to hell.

you are correct. Salvation is only through faith in Jesus christ not tithing, church attendance or any good works, these things are good on their own and God would bless you if you do but they don't give anyone eternal life or using the misused language make you make heaven.

ocnovakmichael:
This is one area where the Spirit of the Lord wants us to settle in the body of Christ.

1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.
35. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.

On 11th April 2023, I was in a bus and the Lord told me to open my Bible and read. I said, Lord I am in a bus. I am surrounded by people: they will look at me like I’m sort of crazy. You know, sitting in a bus with tech guys, some on their laptops writing computer codes, some drafting mails, and some analyzing data. And you bring a Bible to read: if that is not odd I wander what is.
The Lord said to me, open your Bible and read; meditate on 1 Corinthians 14. When the Lord said that I said I will.
You see, when the Lord told you to do a thing, he does not give you full details about what he told you, because if he does, you will be acting and walking by sight and not by faith. For instance, when the angel of the Lord instructed Philip to go toward the South unto the road from Jerusalem to Gaza, he did not tell Philip the reason. But when Philip went as was instructed, the Spirit of the Lord said to him: go near and thyself to this chariot. Philip walked by faith
Now prior to when the Lord spoke, I was listening to an audio book I had written; so, I turned it off and opened the Bible app on my android device and began meditating on 1 Corinthians 14. I read all the familiar verses of tongues and prophecy, but when I got to verse thirty-four, the word of the Lord came to me saying, I want to teach you about the role of women in the church. It was so audible I had to look around if other engers beside me heard it.
For close to twenty-some-odd minutes I was staring at 1 Corinthians 14:34-35. My eyes were so glued to both verses that I began having revelation.
The Spirit of the Lord asked me, did you notice the last phrase in verse thirty-four?
Up till this time, I had read that portion of scripture several times but did not see what the Spirit of the Lord was showing me. And many a time that is the case for many of us Christians. We read a particular portion of scripture loosely by glancing through it until the Spirit of the Lord arrest our attention to reveal the deep meaning unto us.
Now notice the last phrase in verse thirty-four of that text, “… But they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.” [/i]The phrase did not say God commanded the women to be under obedience and keep silence in the church, rather the text says the law commanded.

@ bolded
Let's see what the text said.

1 Corinthians 14:34 Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law.

There is a subtle twisting of the scripture here.

Paul is writing to the whole church of Corinthians because their women were out of order.
Note the word "as also saith the law" meaning Paul wasn't quoting the law but rather it is order on the church which of course is from God, and then the law also agrees with this.

In order words Paul was imposing the old testament law but was using the law as a confirmation.

see, it was God who gave Moses the commandments, but some of the laws were set and written by Moses because of the stubbornness of the children of Israel. For instance, at one time the Pharisees, to lure Jesus whether he would fault the law of Moses, asked him the question: “Is it lawful for a man to put away his wife for every cause?”
The book of Deuteronomy is one of the five books of the law, called the Pentateuch, written by Moses. In chapter twenty-four, the first verse, Moses commanded a man to write a bill of divorcement and hand it over to his wife if he finds that she is sexually unclean.
When we vet Jesus’ answer to the question those Pharisees posed to him, we see that it was Moses who gave that law and not God. The Lord stressed the reason Moses gave the children of Israel that law. Now let us look at the answer Jesus gave to the Pharisees:
Matthew 19:7-9
7. They say unto him, Why did Moses then command to give a writing of divorcement, and to put her away?
8. He (Jesus) saith unto them, Moses because of the hardness of your hearts suffered you to put away your wives: but from the beginning it was not so
9. And I say unto you, Whosoever shall put away his wife, except it be for fornication, and shall marry another, committeth adultery: and whoso marrieth her which is put away doth commit adultery.
Did you notice the last clause in verse eight? Jesus said, “…But from the beginning it was not so.” Meaning this was not in God’s plan from the beginning.

Now let us go back and see why Paul commanded women to keep silence in churches.
1 Corinthians 14:34-35
34. Let your women keep silence in the churches: for it is not permitted unto them to speak; but they are commanded to be under obedience, as also saith the law
35. And if they will learn any thing, let them ask their husbands at home: for it is a shame for women to speak in the church.
36. What? came the Word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?

Notice in verse thirty-six, Paul was quoting the book of Numbers chapters twelve, the second verse. Scripture says, Miriam and Aaron spoke against Moses for Marrying an Ethiopian woman and in verse two they said: ““…Hath the LORD indeed spoken only by Moses?” hath he not spoken also by us? And the LORD heard it.”
Miriam’s confrontation at Moses was a challenge to God’s authority on Moses. You see, both Aaron and Miriam appear to have a reasonable complaint against Moses because he was going against the very law he set for the people by marrying a foreign woman. But instead of bringing the matter to the council of elders they both decided to take up the matter against Moses.
Miriam being a prophet, put herself in Moses’ place as the leader and attempted to trump and topple his authority. And the anger of the LORD immediately fell on her and she became leprous, white as snow.

As Miriam contended against Moses’ leadership, so the women at Corinth contended against the leadership of the church at the time. As a matter of fact, it was one of the leaders by name Chloe, a woman, who reported this division and/or contention to Paul. The contention was so steep that it caused a split in the church’s organization. Some of the women said they’re of Paul, some of Apollos, some of Cephas, while some said they’re of Christ.
1 Corinthians 1:11-12
11. For it hath been declared unto me of you, my brethren, by them which are of the house of Chloe, that there are contentions among you.
12. Now this I say, that every one of you saith, I am of Paul; and I of Apollos; and I of Cephas; and I of Christ.

So, to avoid a repeat of what happened between Moses and Miriam, where the wrought of God came upon a woman for speaking against God’s elect, Paul commanded, according to Moses’ law, that the women keep silence in the church.
However, scripture says that the law, which includes among other things that women should keep silence in churches, was given by Moses, but grace, for women to witness and speak in churches, and truth came by Jesus Christ.
John 1:17
For the law was given by Moses, but grace and truth came by Jesus Christ.

Paul was looking at the church in Corinth through the law of Moses because the saints at Corinth were spiritual babes. And as such, are prone to mistakes and tend to go into excesses: so, he commanded that the women keep silence in the church.
Let me say it again, Paul gave that command because the women at Corinth were spiritual babes; and might repeat Miriam’s action: speaking against authority.
1 Corinthians 3:1
1. And I, brethren, could not speak unto you as unto spiritual, but as unto carnal, even as unto babes in Christ.
2. I have fed you with milk, and not with meat: for hitherto ye were not able to bear it, neither yet now are ye able.
3. For ye are yet carnal: for whereas there is among you envying, strife, and divisions, are ye not carnal, and walk as men?

Notice the words envying, strife, and divisions. These are emotional states and typical of baby Christians.
Moreover, there is a striking similarity between spiritual growth and physical growth. In physical growth babies are innocent, ignorant, irritable, unsteady, curious, talkative. These were the same reasons Miriam decided to challenge Moses’ authority. For she said to Moses: [i]“What? came the Word of God out from you? or came it unto you only?” Put somewhat differently, if you think you are a prophet, I am a prophetess too. If you think you can hear from God, I can hear from God too.
So, to curb babyhood tendencies and a repeat of Miriam’s action in the church at Corinth, Paul instructed that the women keep silence in church. But from the beginning it was not so: for in the garden of Eden, even Eve gets to speak when asked. And God spoke through the prophet Joel, saying, “upon the handmaids will I pour out my spirit and they shall prophesy.”



Jesus is Lord

you are misquoting and misunderstanding text. Paul was never imposing the law on the church but setting an order for the church which also the law confirms.

1 Corinthians 14:33 For God is not the author of confusion, but of peace, as in all churches of the saints.

As for Moses marriage, he got married before the law was given.
Your posts are filled with errors, it was not the women of Corinth that was saying "I am of Paul, I am of Apollos" etc
You mix things up.

paxonel:

Take a look at this, was it wrong that she was a judge and a prophet?

Judges 4:4

Deborah was not a leader of the Christian church. Even David who was a polygamist was a leader in Israel but in the church a polygamist can't be a pastor. The new testament church is different from national Israel.

TimiRume:
Insightful though I still believe women shouldn't be leaders of men or exercise authirity over them because of how God has created both genders and assigned them natural offices even before Moses.

It's so clear from the scriptures that God has not called us to usurp authority over men. Can we prophesy in church? yes we can with our heads covered portraying submission to authority. Can we teach in church? yes we can but we are to teach younger or immature women. This is one age that settled it for me.

Titus 2:4-8 "These older women must train the younger women to love their husbands and their children, to live wisely and be pure, to work in their homes, to do good, and to be submissive to their husbands. Then they will not bring shame on the word of God. In the same way, encourage the young men to live wisely"

Submission is not a demeaning thing in short its so glorious. Puts us in a position to receive so much grace. The one in the place of authority and the one in the place of submission are both equal in Christ. Both of God and unto God. Amen

you have done justice to it.
I wonder why people always think that a woman submitting to her husband is slavery or that a woman should not usurp authority over a man means oppression for women?
It is wicked spirits attacking the gospel. There have being increase of so-called new revelation that either attack the inspiration of scripture outrightly or subtly does. Satan is good at mixing lie with truth to make it appealing.
The order in the church and family is God- Christ- man- woman before children.

nikky5:
Recently, I have heard a few of our fathers of faith in Nigeria preach that tithe defaulters will not make it to heaven when they die.

I will need further clarification on this because I have stopped paying my tithes for about three years now. I also believe in tithing as an old testament law. Well, I may be wrong in some ways. Can anyone throw more light on this please. I am a born again Christian.

Thanks.

No. Heaven is not what "you make" the gospel is not ing human works to get to heaven but about Jesus christ and his finished works on the cross so mankind would have eternal life through faith in him.

AntiChristian:


I understand your point and i agree academically it should be both!
But textually there's no agreement that Jesus ed grace!

1. Jesus met the rich ruler - No Grace - all works, works and works!
2. Even the disciples were all works and works!

Do you not see the contradiction of being saved by grace and works?
The fact you need mercy already prove that your works couldn't save you, if works can save you then you don't need mercy.

Imagine a student who couldn't meet up the cut off mark to an exam but the examiner had to upgrade his mark, the fact is, he initially failed, if he didn't fail he wouldn't need to be upgraded.

AntiChristian:


Why didn't Jesus say this to the rich ruler?

Did the man Jesus told his sins were forgiven believe in Jesus as you believed in him?

Jesus had to first of all make the rich ruler understand that his works were not sufficient.
First Jesus pointed him to the ten commandment.
Then told him to sell all he had and give to he poor then come and follow him.

The rich ruler trusted in his ability to keep the commandment but by Jesus adding other things to it exposed his sinfulness.

Salvation is by grace through faith in christ however, saving faith comes when ones sinfulness is exposed.

Before the death of Christ people could be forgiven temporarily base on the old covenant but however everlasting forgiveness of sin lies only in Jesus christ.