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sonmvayina:


Did you go to school at all?
Do you know the meaning of 1st 2nd and 3rd person pronouns.
The Bible are all written in 3rd person, meaning non is an eye witness .

I want somebody who actually met him.
I want to see something like

Jesus visited my neighbors house ...
Or Jesus told me to feel the jars with water..
Etc.
Not a story...

Comprende..

ignorant man, so if someone writes in 3rd person pronoun it means they are not eye witnesses?
You an ignorant man who don't even know the meaning of eye witness, is calling what professionals has certified to be history, a story.
Even a fool has more hope than you.

Proverbs 26:12 Seest thou a man wise in his own conceit? there is more hope of a fool than of him.

sonmvayina:


Is this Jesus ?

This is Jesus divinity (part of what defines his divinity)

sonmvayina:


Judy give me 1, Uno, , ofu....I will wait.

If they are many it won't be hard.
Because it will be in heard of for the "son of God" to make an entrance and no body noticed it....hmm

the four books of the gospel contains myriads of names of people who encountered christ.
Paul in his letters referenced people who lived and walked with Jesus.

Genesis 1:1 In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

I believe they are not exactly the same, John's "beginning" is actually the "indefinite" time before definite time.
How did I know? It is because John later said all creation came into being through him so John 's beginning goes far beyond the beginning of Genesis into eternity.

sonmvayina:


Give me one thing that somebody who saw him said about him, even if the person does not believe in him...

I will wait.

go and search it up for yourself, the web is open for all.
The problem is ignorant people like you just come up writing jargons you know nothing about.
Historians have carefully and tortuously scrutinized the four books of the new testaments including non Christian sources and have come to a conclusion that Jesus was an historical figure even though they doubt Jesus divinity as claimed by Christians but they nevertheless conclude based on evidences present that Jesus is an historical figure.

sonmvayina:


At least he is not a dead Jew with no evidence that he loved.

My God lives within me...

No evidence for this your god, it only exist in your mind just like Spiderman only exist in the mind of comics fans.
Jesus christ has historical records that even atheists scholars and non christians scholars including agnostic schlras can only but agree Jesus is truly a historical figure but you an ignorant man on Nairaland thinks otherwise with your "trust me bro" as source.

Busybrain2233:
The God concept is a belief system hence no one has knowledge about him/her/it.

The evidence proves that there is an immaterial spaceless and timesless being the created the universe. Evidence proves the universe (matter and space-time) had a beginning. Meaning whatever caused the universe into being is immaterial, spaceless and timeless, this is the basic definition of God.
It is an illogical belief to assume the universe is eternal and also illogical to belief that the universe was created by nothing.

Busybrain2233:


You didn't answer my questions you were only reiterating your thoughts about God and the universe, I can't seem to perceive any knowledge in what you just wrote rather I perceive mere thoughts.

you questions were answered.
For you ask if God was created is because you placing God in the category of created things in which case contradicting the definition of what God is.
As for prove, scientists work by evidence, you only have proofs in Mathematics.

Busybrain2233:


At the emboldened, you might be referring to the observable universe.

How do you know God was ever present and how do I your claim?

No, The big bang was not a theory only for the observable universe, so far all evidences goes against the eternality of the universe.
It is part of what what what God is. I laugh when people ask "who created God" it is like asking why is rectangle not circular?

How do you for sure know that there's no being higher than God?

The people who made that definition how did they come to realise all that about God? Or did they go back in time to check if God actually existed as an eternal being?

Is it possible for something/someone/deity to exist without no cause? Please state your reasons clearly? And if yes, what could have triggered/caused that to happen?

Quoting a age in the bible to make a point to me isn't wise, why should I take what it says serious?

You question " is there being greater than God" is like asking is there a number greater than infinity or is there a time greater than eternity? You also ask is there a colour whiter than white?
If there is being greater than God or if God was created then God wouldn't be God.

God by basic definition is eternal, uncreated, spaceless, uncaused cause of all creation and of course absolute power.

Since God is not part of space-time then logically you don't expect God to be proven with the scientific method the way material things are proven rather God reveals himself.

Busybrain2233:


The observable universe is/might be finite, but what we don't know are events that happened before the observable universe emanated.

So do you think your God popped out from nothing or was created by a higher being

all current evidences show that the universe had a beginning so the universe can not be said to have had an inifinity past.
God did not pop out of nothing, he is ever present from all eternity to eternity.
There is nothing like a being higher than God, just like saying asking if there is a square circle.

The very definition of God denotes finality, there is nothing greater than him neither can be, he is the cause of all there is while he himself has no cause.

Revelation 22:13 I am Alpha and Omega, the beginning and the end, the first and the last.

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1 Corinthians 8:5-6
"For though there be that are called gods, whether in heaven or in earth, (as there be gods many, and lords many,yet to us, there is one God the Father....."

And that scripture also said Jesus is the one Lord.

Psalm 82:1 God presides over the divine assembly.
He (Ha Elohim) judges among the gods.
Psalm 82:6 God's sons are gods whether in heaven or earth.

Are those gods truly gods?

According to your own Bible.

Oga, please CURE YOUR delusion invented at Nicene.



2 Corinthians 1:3
"Praise be the God ( ho Theos of John 1:1) & Father of our lord Jesus Christ".

Paul does not owe his own name to Jesus,me too & everyone else, Ephesians 3:14-15.
Except Oga Steep.

Oga Steep, please CURE YOUR delusion invented by men. [/b]

The ho theo is John 1:1 is just a grammatical function that differentiate subject from object.

According to this verse below Jehovah stretched out the heavens alone.

Job 9:8 Which alone spreadeth out the heavens, and treadeth upon the waves of the sea.

But according to the scripture God created all things by Jesus christ,

Ephesians 3:9 And to make all men see what is the fellowship of the mystery, which from the beginning of the world hath been hid in God, who created all things by Jesus Christ:

Meaning Jesus is the same God Jehovah.

sonmvayina:


Jesus is a creation of the Roman empire..

My God is the eternal spirit responsible for creation.
Not a dead Jew that was created by Constantine....

your god, only exist in your deluded mind.

Busybrain2233:
I can as well say the universe was not created.🤷

except that evidences do not agree with you.
Earlier scientist had thought the universe was eternal and proposed different theories that the eternality of the universe until their hopes were shattered recently by the hubbles telescope they found that the universe is expanding and also discovered the cosmic micro wave background.

The universe cannot be eternal because the universe would have experienced heat death in eternity past and we would not have existed.

Guess what you believe there is something called eternity which no one can explain, science can't explain it.

As studies are getting advanced they are starting to see that the universe is more complex than they had thought.

jaephoenix:

But you just said everything must be created

when did I say everything must be created?

RichestMinds:
Mathematical Error in the Bible

2nd Kings, Chapter No.8, Verse No.26, it says that ‘Ahaziah was 22 years old when he became king, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem...’

­­­­­­2nd Chronicles, Chapter No. 22, Verse No. 2, says that… ‘42 years old was Ahaziah when he began to reign, and he reigned one year in Jerusalem...’ ­­­­­­

As we all know God can never make mistake.


Was he 22 years old, or was he 42 years old? – Mathematical contradiction

The 42 years probably refers to when he began to reign on his own and the 22 years when began to reign with is father,
or the 42 years refers to his mother's reign.
Another probability is that the 42 years refers to the combined years of his family reign or it simply a copying error.

FRANCISTOWN:

Then who created God?

God is not a creation.

The evidences of God are all around us. There is no creation without a creator, no morality without a moral law giver.
If God does not exist then we are just mindless atoms vibrating and moving randomly.
Without God there would be no creation.
Without God no morality, morality becomes mere opinions and the strong and mighty wins.
Secularism and humanism are failing badly because God can never be eliminated. What happens is that people just replaced God with a false god either Government, society, family, themselves, career, sports etc

sonmvayina:


Jesus is a creation of the Roman empire to deceive you....you fell for it big time..

Continue in your idolatry. See numbers 23:19

confused and brainwashed man. All records and archeology proved Jesus is a real person. Your god remains an illusion.

Ogbadabada:
A public and social affairs analyst, Pius Adebayo has said "Abel Damina is not a strange name in the ears of many Nigerians as far as the peddling of Christian heresies is concerned. He has carved for himself an unenviable niche in the world of heretic and controversial doctrines.

In a statement made available to newsmen, Adebayo stated that, "Whether such doctrines are being triggered by his sheer lack of understanding of the Scripture or inspired by some strange demonic influences remains a worrisome and intriguing subject. But more worrisome is the fate of young, immature and gullible Christians who are being swayed into the abyss of sinful and damnable compromise by his heretical and evil doctrines. For a so-called man of God to have and maintain a doctrinal stance that promotes unrestrained sin, immoral conducts, disorderliness, falsehood, duplicity and social anarchy speaks volumes of the extremely permissive and corrupt nature of his personal life".

Speaking further, he said, let us take a brief look at the history of this religious pariah.
Abel Damina finished Secondary School in 1988 from Prince College, Mista-Ali, Jos, Plateau State Nigeria.

He attempted to further his education by enrolling into the College of Advanced Studies, Zaria, but soon dropped out shortly after, claiming to have received a call to Ministry.

This was soon followed by the commencement of his Ministry in the city of Uyo, Akwa Ibom State, Nigeria, just two years after secondary school.

From the foregoing, it is clear to see that the process of his making is already compromised as he could not endure the mental and physical discipline to run a basic post-secondary educational programme.

Even his entry into ministry cost him nothing as he did not sacrifice anything valuable to answer the call – no degree certificate, no professional qualification, no occupation or career, etc.

Adebayo stressed, Today, this same drop-out has the effrontery to challenge highly revered and renowned men of God and fathers of faith who are academic giants or scholars in their own rights aside their spiritual prowess.

His unbridled and visceral tongue did not spare God’s servants like; Pastor E.A. Adeboye, a renowned mathematician with PhD in Mathematics, Pastor W.F. Kumuyi, also a mathematical scholar, Bishop David Oyedepo, a qualified architect, and Dr. Paul Enenche and his wife, Dr (Mrs) Becky Enenche, both qualified medical doctors.

These are men and women who paid the price for the call of God into ministry. Ministry, to these men, is highly valued as they left behind enviable qualifications and gainful professions to do the work of God. But that is not the same for Abel Damina.

He left nothing behind, and it is obvious, he has nothing in front of him to pursue.

And since he has nothing to gain or lose, he is desperately on the loose, seeking to denigrate those who are genuinely doing the work of God with unquestionable conducts and proven track records.

His Ministerial practices have from the very beginning, been characterized by dubious fund-raising, the proceeds of which were taken by him almost immediately for personal use, and not for the church. That is, he would immediately walk away with the raised funds after the service, he could use the extremes of means, even hypnotics, if possible, to extract money from the congregants.

Adebayo narrated how, Damina once proudly told an associate that all his messages were strategically scripted to elicit giving or fundraising – that he wouldn’t preach any message that would not provoke people to give. In fact, he once told another associate that all the tithes of the church belonged to him.

But what do we have today ? The same fund-raiser-in-chief is now peddling a new doctrine that forbids the payment of tithe and other forms of giving in church and the reason for this newly minted doctrine is not far-fetched – since the fundraising and all the tithes he has been fraudulently taking from the people didn’t make him rich, no other church should take tithes from people.

But what he failed to realize is that whereas he diverted all tithes and funds raised by him on the church’s altar to his personal coffers, these other men of God, following scriptural injunctions, never had anything to do with tithes or other forms of giving in church. The standard practice is the total separation of the church from the man of God as two separate legal entities.

That makes the resources of the church not to be the same as the resources of the pastor. What is given to the church, be it tithes, offerings, sacrifices and other forms of giving, belong to the church, and not the pastor.

This is the standard scriptural practice, but Damina devoured all hook-line-and-sinker, and expected God, being a God of principle to prosper him, all the same. Since he is bankrupt of basic discipline and financial integrity to manage church’s resources, he assumes every other pastor is doing the same.

This is his mind-set because to the corrupt, everything is corrupt. He is acting like the harlot who killed her son in the Book of First Kings and wanted the surviving son of her roommate destroyed so both of them would become equal and childless. But King Solomon, being filled with the wisdom of God discerned the evil intent of the devious harlot, preserved the living child, and handed him to the rightful mother. And God is wiser than King Solomon: in the end, the heretic will always end as the ultimate loser.

Thus, Damina stepped into ministry with zero ethical foundation, zero sense of purpose, zero discipline, and zero sacrifice, just to go after people’s resources. His ministry and personal lifestyle have always been characterized with extreme level of permissiveness, disorderliness and error, hence his leaning on the absolutist grace doctrine to accommodate his moral depravity, indiscipline, avarice and recklessness.

To the gullible, unsuspecting generation of young, immature Christians, he is a hero, but deep down his hypocritical mind, he knows that he is up to nothing good but sheer falsehood, deception and double standard, with the ultimate intention to steal, to kill and to destroy lives, homes and thriving churches.

But the foundation of God stands sure, and the Lord knows those who are His – 2 Timothy 2:19. God will always stand to defend His works, and pull down all foundations and installations of falsehood, deception and evil. And now also the axe is laid unto the root of the trees: therefore every tree which bringeth not forth good fruit is hewn down, and cast into the fire.

And in Mathew 3:10 Like all heretics before him, the wind of truth will eventually blow all forms of heresies into the abyss of history, and the Church of Christ will continue to march forward in triumph, and the gates of hell can never prevail against it, Adebayo stressed.

what nonsense is this? What has educational qualifications got to do with God's call? Has God not chosen the foolish things of this world to confound the strong?

1 Corinthians 1:27 But God hath chosen the foolish things of the world to confound the wise; and God hath chosen the weak things of the world to confound the things which are mighty;

If the man is speaking the truth does his educational qualifications or lack of it suddenly cancles it out?

AntiChristian:


Most probably!

So Matthew and Mark lied!
John didn't see it too!
Only Luke spoke the truth!

Do you you have brain at all?
The books of the Gospel mostly focused on different aspect of Jesus life and ministry.
So if some of the gospel describes the thieves mocking him and one focused on what happened later when one of the theif asked him to be in his kingdom, where is the contradiction abdool?

AntiChristian:
Okay Grace is unmerited favor!Can you face front now?

Why do you want to run? after how many days in another thread?
Can you now see that salvation is by grace? The theif asking for an unmerited favour from Jesus christ which is to be in Jesus kingdom. Can you now see that Pauls teaching lines up with Jesus teachings, works and life.

Luke lied! Matthew and Mark said the criminals both accused Jesus.

Gospel of Matthew (Matthew 27:38-44):
- Both criminals mocked Jesus along with the crowd.
- They said, "If you are the Son of God, come down from the cross."
- The robbers who were crucified with him also heaped insults on him.

Gospel of Mark (Mark 15:27-32):
- The criminals who were crucified with Jesus also heaped insults on him.[/b]
- They said, "Aren't you the Messiah? Save yourself and us!"
- Even those crucified with him also heaped insults on him.

All those crucifixion story na lie!

you think the bible is like the lie, lie kroan written by lunatic prophet Mohammad .
There is no contradiction in the bible.

The books of the injeel (Mathew,mark, Luke and john) gave different but complimentary of Jesus life, teachings and works.

The of the two thieves mocking christ was most probably the initial time of their crucifixion but later one of the repented and scolded the other and begged Jesus for the unmerited favour of being in Jesus kingdom.

sonmvayina:


The universal eternal spirit..

Not a creation of the Roman empire. Definitely not a man.

But the spirit behind creation.

No evidence that your god is real all you have is your delusion, any body can claim anything what separation facts from fiction is evidence. your god is an illusion,just a figment of your imagination.

My God Jesus became a man and lived among humans leaving behind historical records of him, his place of birth is known, the family he came through is known, he did works no human could ever do, his teachings are with us and no human philosophy or logic is close to the excellency of his teachings, he defeated death and ascended to heaven.

But your god only exist in your brain nobody with working faculty will take you serious.

sonmvayina:


Eya...your God died, could not withstand 3 nails...so sad..

My God is omnipotent, omniscient and omnipresent....he is not a Jewish man that qas nailed to a cross..My God is the eternal creator. He is one.

my God exist, he has historical record of him on earth but your god is only an imaginary god, even bat man is more real than your god.

gohf:
Jesus Christ is Lord!.... but he is not God, indeed he is king and divine but he isn't God.

The basis of true faith is to believe that Jesus Christ is the son of God and not that Jesus Christ is God.

Matt.16.15 He said to them, "But who do you say that I am?"
Matt.16.16 Simon Peter answered and said, "You are the Christ, the Son of the living God."
Matt.16.17 Jesus answered and said to him, "Blessed are you, Simon Bar-Jonah, for flesh and blood has not revealed this to you, but My Father who is in heaven.

Jesus himself said, John 14:28, "I am going to the Father, for my Father is greater than I."

Demons did not call Jesus God, even though they are lying spirits whose s we shouldn't believe Luke.8.28 When he saw Jesus, he cried out, fell down before Him, and with a loud voice said, "What have I to do with You, Jesus, Son of the Most High God? I beg You, do not torment me!"


Then what about an angel, Gabriel who had visited Daniel who then visited Mary and said to her,
Luke.1.31 And behold, you will conceive in your womb and bring forth a Son, and shall call His name JESUS.
Luke.1.32 He will be great, and will be called the Son of the Highest; and the Lord God will give Him the throne of His father David.


There is the Lord Jesus and the Lord God... Ps.110.1 The LORD said to my Lord, "Sit at My right hand, Till I make Your enemies Your footstool."

Some even say that the name of Jesus which is higher than every other name is higher than the name of the Father. Not even consider that a son bears his father's name.

Let me use an easier translation so we don't speak too many words, what did Paul say
1Cor.15.27 For he "has put everything under his feet." Now when it says that "everything" has been put under him, it is clear that this does not include God himself, who put everything under Christ.
1Cor.15.28 Now when all things are made subject to Him, then the Son Himself will also be subject to Him who put all things under Him, that God may be all in all.

This was Paul who Phil.2.9 Therefore God also has highly exalted Him and given Him the name which is above every name,... Jesus did not give himself a name, it was God the Father that gave him a name.

When John writes about testing every spirit, prophecy to genuine prophets from false prophets he wrote
1John.4.2 By this you know the Spirit of God: Every spirit that confesses that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is of God,
1John.4.3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world.


The question now is what can you call a person or a spirit that says Jesus is God, for God is spirit revealed by Jesus himself but we are to believe that Jesus came in the flesh and is currently resurrected in his body at the right hand of the Father.

The devil is an author of confusion that is why those who are confused claim to be spiritual and that things of the spirit cannot be understood even when John, Jesus, Isaiah affirmed that the spirit gives understanding. How can Jesus be at the right-hand of himself.

You who believe such are the reason why the truth of God is held in contempt as the world views you as being to gullible to believe every nonsense you hear. And the true believers see you as a child tossed to and fro by strange doctrines born out of the imaginations of men.


I who have met the real Jesus testify to you that Jesus and the Father are not the same, yes they are one because they are united as a husband and wife are one in unity but not the same in personality or person.

Jesus is the word of God, and he is divine, the very manifestation of God's word full of grace and truth but he is not God the speaker. He himself testifies of God the Father, as the one who sent him, as the one who testifies of him the son, as the one who does the works.

If Jesus is God he would reveal himself as God and not have to humble himself to God who is above and above all, revealing God the father. Jesus is divine because he is like God, having the likeness of God but the in the image of man to bear our sins.

This post is to reveal who Jesus is, the real Jesus sent by the Father, that those who listen and obey him will be saved. This is the spirit of prophecy, the testimony of Jesus. Blessed is he who understands and sees him.

This is what you get when, emphasis is placed on emotional experiences as against accurate doctrine and theology. When incompetent pastors are ordained who lack knowledge in basic Christian doctrine. Smh

Janosky:

In respect of his nature, Jesus is a god @ John 1:1.
John & Jesus agreed that the God their heavenly Father is the only true God. John 17:3.
Every other being is a god, John 10:34-36. Jesus said so.

There is only one God, there is other God.
Isaiah 44:6 Thus saith the LORD the King of Israel, and his redeemer the LORD of hosts; I am the first, and I am the last; and beside me there is no God.

Your Trinitarian Bibles said that statement is an exclamation.

My God !!! Oh my God !! This is not references to God Almighty.
Oga no deceive yourself . You no know Greek them.




1 Corinthians 11:3,"The God is the head of Christ", said Paul. The same evidence of Paul in 1 Corinthians 8:6.

Every first born in your Bible is a creature Colossians 1:15 has issues with installing Jesus Christ where his God did not place him.
That's the evidence that your Trinitarian mentors doctored that verse in Titus the same manner they doctored 1 John 5:7 & 1 Timothy 3:16.

Paul was a devout Judaism devotee before his conversion. Read his first sermon in Acts 9:20.

you keep proving that you guys are false witness.

Isaiah 44:8 Fear ye not, neither be afraid: have not I told thee from that time, and have declared it? ye are even my witnesses. Is there a God beside me? yea, there is no God; I know not any.
Jehovah true witness can never say there is "a god besides Jehovah".

Jesus is Almighty God the evidence are all over scriptures.

sonmvayina:


Lol..

Who do you believe, Paul/Mathew /John or the creator of heaven and earth?

Let me know.
As for me, I believe my creator 10000%

you don't know your creator. I thought you want to prove that echad is not a compound unity.
Jesus is Almighty God.

sonmvayina:


I know you will say it is a compound 1

My friend, it is not. There is only one God, creator of all. Jesus is a creation of the Roman empire...
He was created to deceive you...don't fall for it..

Isaiah 44:6/7
6. So said the Lord, the King of Israel and his Redeemer the Lord of Hosts, "I am first and I am last, and besides Me there is no god

7. And who will call [that he is] like Me and will tell it and arrange it for Me, since My placing the ancient people, and the signs and those that will come, let them tell for themselves.

Isaiah 45:5
am the Lord, and there is no other; besides Me there is no God: I will strengthen you although you have not known Me

Echad is a compound one.

John 1:1 In the beginning was the Word, and the Word was with God, and the Word was God.

Jesus is God in respect to his nature but the Son of God in respect to his relationship and with the Father.

Thomas called Jesus God.

John 20:28 And Thomas answered and said unto him, My LORD and my God.
Paul called him God.

Titus 2:13 Looking for that blessed hope, and the glorious appearing of the great God and our Saviour Jesus Christ;

The scripture is clear, Jesus is the creator, and ruler over all creation, all creation was created for him and he exist before all creation making him uncreated and have absolute power over all things.

Colossians 1:17 And he is before all things, and by him all things consist.

Michael547:

So all other religions apart from the Jws are not man made and they fail to agree on doctrinal matters?

you have difficulty in comprehension I don't mean to be offensive. Go back and read slowly tye previous posts.

Michael547:

What do you mean by human set up organization?
Are you saying those pastors and their are not organized?

Man made organization like Jehovah witness...

Where did say pastors and their are not organized?
It is not necessary for everyone to be in one local church.
What matters is that they are continue the teachings of the apostles of christ which are written in the bible.

Michael547:

What exactly is not necessary?

they are under one umbrella of Jesus christ but not in my human set up/organisation.

Michael547:

All these pastors that you've mentioned, are they in agreement in biblical doctrines apart from the ones you've mentioned? If yes, why are they not under one umbrella of church?

not necessary.