NewStats: 3,261,382 , 8,173,854 topics. Date: Thursday, 29 May 2025 at 05:50 AM 4qv4w

ps3o:
➜If you read with the intent to understand, you won't comment in a shallow way. Read your Bible well. ➜Was Samson not given power of strength? Was David the king not anointed? Did that exempt him from gratifying selfish desires? Natural or Heavenly? The moment you make your gift control or better satisfy your selfish reasons, you would end up regretting.
➜ Have you at anytime taken time to study the book of Ecclesiastics? Your comment showed that you hadn't been studying.
➜ Next time before you comment, do your research well before open your mouth anyhow. This is just 2 kobo advice you might decide not to take... that's your palava

You are still not making any sense since your conclusion remains that overtly rationalizing wisdom leads to selfish decisions when in fact the opposite has been shown, time and time again, to be the case.

2. The gratification of one's selfish desires is the complete opposite of rationalizing wisdom. Rather, abandoning wisdom altogether is what results in the gratification of one's selfish desires. That is what is written about Solomon, Samson, and even David. They all abandoned— not overly rationalized — wisdom, and ended up gratifying their selfish desires as a result.

3. The book of Ecclesiastes reads like the musings of a depressed mind. I have read it and realized much of it for what it truly is. Sadly, most of you choose to glorify its content without actually understanding the reason why it was written.

4. I suggest you go back to reading, or is it studying you call it, and make sure you comprehend the message intended by the writers to avoid creating more of these senseless threads about what it is you don't clearly understand.

agabaI23:
Watch this video Is it AI? https://x.com/churchtalkative/status/1927092040761803137?s=46

This scam has been busted right here on Nairaland, I believe a couple of years ago, though.

agabaI23:
No it is unique. I am not begging you to agree with me. I wish you will understand and I pray for you.

There is nothing unique in it since it has been discovered that 10s of millions experience it daily and most of them do not have a god-experience.

QuinQ:
➜Oga, why not do some research instead of these baseless arguments. At least just use GOOGLE.
Local persecution of Christians (as with Paul and Silas) were already rife
➜ before Claudius ordered Jews out of Rome about 40 AD due to someone named "Chrestus" (Jesus).
➜ Then Nero intensified it starting 54 AD. Do some research just for your own knowledge not for argument.
➜ Another thing, you keep writing "Jesus of Israel" when it has been clearly shown to you that it is actually "Jesus of the Jews". If you must write "Jesus of the" then you must write that, otherwise leave it as just "Jesus", which is what he truly is - Jesus of mankind!

1. I already posted the research for you to see for yourself. Paul and Silas were accused of being troublemaker Jews, not Christians, telling people that which is unlawful by Roman law.

2. The statement on Claudius says Jews, not Christians, were expelled from Rome. We know that Priscilla and her husband, written of in the Book of Acts, were among those who were expelled during that time. And according to them, it was not a Jesus Christ of Israel situation but a Jewish squabble that led to their eviction.

1 Later, Paul left Athens and went to the city of Corinth.
2 There he met a Jewish man named Aquila, who was born in the country of Pontus. But he and his wife, Priscilla, had recently moved to Corinth from Italy. They left Italy because Claudius had given an order for all Jews to leave Rome. Paul went to visit Aquila and Priscilla.
3 They were tentmakers, the same as Paul, so he stayed with them and worked with them.-Acts 18 vs 1 - 3

As Jewish Christians were considered a part of the Jewish community at the time, they were also expelled along with the other Jews.

2. As for the fire that razed Rome, it occurred in 64 AD, and if we follow closely the s from people such as Tarcitus, himself a Roman official a the time, we arrive at the Christians being chosen as scapegoats for Nero's punishment, not for their belief but for the fact that they were the most hated among the population at the time. It was a case of a bully choosing the most hated of the weak people to pin crimes on.

To get rid of the report, Nero fastened the guilt and inflicted the most exquisite tortures on a class hated for their abominations, called Chrestians by the populace. Christus, from whom the name had its origin, suffered the extreme penalty during the reign of Tiberius at the hands of one of our procurators, Pontius Pilatus, and a most mischievous superstition, thus checked for the moment, again broke out not only in Judæa, the first source of the evil, but even in Rome, where all things hideous and shameful from every part of the world find their centre and become popular.
- Tacitus' Annals

This isn't persecution. According to Tacitus, they were thrown under the bus because they were the most hated by the other people.

3. All you made clear was your ignorance of Jesus Christ of Israel by your continuous assertion of such ideas like Jesus Christ of Israel only approached Jews, which we have so far shown was not true. Even some among His disciples were likely not even Jews. Jesus Christ of Israel made clear He was sent only to the Lost Sheep of Israel and not to mankind.

Everyday247:
➜This question is weird. Imagine a question like this: Who decided that a horse is an animal?
That's how your question sounds. 🤷
➜It doesn't really matter whether they are real or not. What matters is the description. Mermaids are not real but we can describe them.
➜ Are you aware of anybody who literally worships money as a deity or god?
➜ Yes, I agree that money has power, but it's not supernatural. Supernatural powers are those that are said to be beyond the natural laws of the universe (metaphysics).

1. It is a valid question. Science certifies that a horse is indeed an animal. So, again, who decided that money is not a god while Sango is one?

2. So, we can describe these powers, whether real or not, that is all that matters? OK, then, people can describe the powers of money, so what exactly do you have against money being a god again?

3. Yes! I have encountered folks who would do anything for money.

4. First, I recall using the term superhuman , not supernatural. Second, I also recall that we were clear that proof of ascribed powers was not necessary, as is the case with gods like Sango. So, why pretend that money has to, itself, exhibit any actual powers to begin with?

billyG:
➜You mean 80 years old men still stand & 80yrs old women still collect?

That dick needs to be serviced, even if it requires the throwing out of previous doctrinal delusions. That the people who fell for the previous lies I dey pity!

Emmanuel30a:
➜You said that because you are online...! When people who knows you offline read what you writes online, they can deals with you mercilessly offline... That's when you would know what you can say and what you can't...
➜ When people are killing offline for online blasphemy or unrelatable comments, where are people like you that are talking about non existent rules?
➜ As if you know rules, authors rules or what you read in the book?
➜ So, THE TEN COMMANDMENTS and all other laws in THE BIBLE are irrelevant, because they were not given by the authors?

See delusion... so you it that your online persona does not match your offline self. 🤣🤣

2. Last I checked, it is you religious nutjobs responsible for the offline killings, though, as well as the online accusations of blasphemy.🤣🤣

3. Rules, author's rules? What the heck are you on about? The authors of the books are Israelites who wrote of their God, the God of their people.

4. The ten commandments, along with the 611 other commandments contained in the Law of Moses, comprise the Constitutional Law in the Nation of Israel constituted by the YHWH of Israel. That is what the authors wrote about in their books.

AngelahFlo:
➜Hello Brother Everything that has a beginning must have an end. I wanna draw a curtain on this banter of ours. It's been engaging I must it with neither of us ceding to each other. We all held to our individual faiths and while it may have been like we were both wrong from our individual perspectives, we still defended what we perceived and know to be right. That said hope I didn't get you too angry or emotional?
➜Will be writing another contradicting post before the day is over and will love your input on that as well. Be warned, we may not see eye to eye but it'll be interesting to see things from each other's POV perhaps through that God could work out something good. So looking forward to reading from you and .

We all know why you refuse to cede to that which is plainly stated in the book, and I am caused to draw back to that which the Jesus Christ of Israel who is written about in the books made clear that all those who hold to the doctrines and traditions of men — religion — have absolutely nothing to do with Him.

2. If you are under some delusion that you are my focus, then you are mistaken. My focus is merely on countering the bloody arse lies you religious folks like to hide particularly behind the mentions of the names of the God of Isreal— YHWH — and His son, Jesus Christ of Israel.

Everyday247:
➜Because money is not a deity and Sango is.
➜ A deity is defined as a supernatural entity with supernatural powers. Between Sango and money which best suits this definition?
➜ Money is not a deity to people that are said to worship money because they don't actually worship money but society made the figure of speech about their desire for money being comparable to religious martyrdom (i.e they can do anything for money in the same way a deeply devoted adherent/religious fanatic can do anything for his/her beliefs.

1. Who decided that money isn't a deity while Sango is?

2. And these superpowers are mainly as imagined in the minds of those who worship these deities, right? Again, I don't worship Sango and so have no proof that Sango has any superpowers. So, it is only regarded as a deity to me simply because I am aware there are those who worship it.

3. Recall your definition above that a deity is anything that has been ascribed powers that are beyond those of any ordinary human. Well, money is said, by many, to have such powers. Power to do the superhuman. People have been known to go to all lengths to gain access to some of that power, even destroying nations for its sake. If there are those who perceive this power exists in money, why should this society you speak of be the decider for them on whether they can rightly regard money as a deity or not?

Note: Jesus Christ of Israel, in the age that is Matthew 15 vs 20 - 28, makes the statement not to the Woman but to His disciples who wondered why Jesus Christ of Israel did not respond to the calls from the woman urging Him in the name of David to answer her. The Davidic Covenant— 2 Samuel 7:8-16 —was meant only for Israel and the Israelites— the bloodline of Jacob — is why Jesus Christ did not directly respond to her. It wasn't until after she clarified that what she sort was the crumbs that fell from the Master's table from the food meant for the Master's children, that Jesus Christ then turned to address her directly. 🙄🙄

Everyday247:
➜No, because metaphors compares two unlike things e.g if you have the metaphor "John is a beast", this metaphor is comparing john (a human) to a wild animal, which are two different things. If you say "this car is a rocket", you are comparing a car with a rocket which are also two different things. But if you say "John is human", it's not a metaphor because john (a person) is actually human, so, it's literal.
Sango is a diety, so saying that it's a god is a literal statement because god and diety have the same meaning versus the comparison of god and money which are two different things.

Why is saying, "Money is a god to those who worship money," perceived as a comparison and not a literal statement by you?🤔

I worship neither money nor Sango here, so please explain the following to me. What makes Sango a deity to those who worship Sango, and money not a deity to those who worship money? 🤔

AngelahFlo:
➜See how you took a sensible Scripture and quote it out of context!! Wow!!!
➜ Didn't it occurred to you that the story of the bronze serpent was a type or representation of something real?
➜ Why did you leave out the part where Jesus said to Nicodemus that except a man is born of water and the spirit . He can't be born again.
See John 3:3-14 (Amplified Bible Classic version)

1. It seems to me that the meaning of the word Context evades you. I clearly quoted the exact verses to which I referred, establishing that in addition to insisting one had to have the life from one's mother's womb to become born again, one also had to have the new life as well. Why do you insist, against logic, that I quoted the statements out of context when it clearly indicates there in the age that the statements I made come from within the given context?

2. The story of the bronze snake is part of the history of Israel, and as I explained, it is found in Numbers 21. So why ask me what amounts to a nonsensical question?

3. I did not leave out the part about being born again — new life — given my focus was on establishing what Jesus Christ of Israel said of the need for one to first be qualified from one's mother's womb with the physical life necessary to then go on to obtain the new life — become born-again. Essentially, if one is not born of the bloodline of Jacob from His mother's womb, one cannot then go on to obtain the new life — become born-again. Now, for those who are born of the bloodline of Jacob, to obtain the new life, born-again, Jesus Christ of Israel then goes on to insist they must then be born of water & of Spirit.

Everyday247:
metaphor..... I think 🤷

Is it equally metaphorical to say then that if one worships Sango, then Sango is a god to 'em?

Everyday247:
The part where you say that anything that one worships is a god to that person. E.g If you worship money they say it becomes your god. That's figure of speech.

What particular figure of speech is that? Be specific!

Everyday247:
➜ That's supposed to be a metaphorical expression not to be taken literally na 😦

What part of my statement is metaphorical?

Everyday247:
➜ So what you're saying is that if one worships something that is ascribed supernatural abilities it becomes a god regardless of whether the supernatural claims are true or false?

When one worships or one ascribes superhuman abilities to that entity becomes a god over the one.

Mear23:
➜Certain things can be learned even without sex. Elementary biology is there, books on such topics are numerous too

. Elementary biology instead insists that it is impossible to tell whether a woman has had sex or not by simply inspecting her vagina. So, again, how did he make this discovery of his? So the believer brother was some sort of sex expert/mentalist or mindreader before marriage, or what?

Everyday247:
Even if it's a banana that is ascribed supernatural abilities?

Or a piece of wood, or a tree, or a dead dog, or a bag of bones, or a plaster or plastic sculpture, or an iron rod,or a stone,or a bunch of branches, or a mound of earth... the same applies.

elated177:
➜Matthew 10: 28 Do not be afraid of those who kill the body but cannot kill the soul. Rather, be afraid of the One who can destroy both soul and body in hell.

Nonsense response! 🙄🙄

Again, do the vast majority of Christians believe or not believe that the human soul is eternal from its creation? It is simple! 🙄

Everyday247:
Define a god?

A god is anything one chooses to ascribe worship or supra-human capabilities/abilities.

elated177:
➜where is it stated that humans are born eternal in Christianity? Enlighten me. Although, I am not a Christian. On the other hand, are ancestors still human beings?

Asking me this as though Christian has ever believed in that which is in fact stated.🙄🙄🙄

Ask a handful of Christians out there, irrespective of their denominations, and they will tell you 7 out of 10 times that the human soul was created as an eternal essence.

But one of the core beliefs in the religion — doctrines and traditions of men — of Christianity is that humans are born eternal beings —gods. So, if by default, humans are born eternal beings —gods— then what is so wrong with the traditional folks choosing to worship their ancestors, who by Christian doctrine live on in the grave? 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

Gboom:
➜Are you married to know the facts about marriage, or you are concluding based on experience of others?
➜ FYI, as fingers are not equal, marriages are not equal also

. Again with the insecurities! 🙄🙄

Where do you come up with this idea that only those who claim to be married can know of marriage, though? Isn't that a clear sign of disconnectedness from the reality of things and human relationships?

2. Fingers are not equal, therefore marriages are not equal, even though all who enter into the union are human beings, predictable in every sense of the word. Are you sure you are OK at all, cause here you seem to think, against the obvious, that I am your problem.

EmekaStanley:
➜One of the most debated questions in modern family life is, "how best can a child be disciplined?". Some school of thoughts think spanking a child is very important while others think it is outdated and a form of abuse. But the question is, "can a parent successfully train a wholesome child without some spanking at one time or the other?" From what I have read and seen all my years, I have not seen a child that was not spanked in correction in some way that turned out very whole in every sense of the word. You may have seen but I have not seen.
➜ And I have found a solid ground and evidence for my belief in the tips given by people who wrote the scriptures under inspiration. Kids not spanked always seem to turn out very disrespectful starting from their home. A lot of them treat their parents like rags because there's no parental awe that can discourage them from being disrespectful.

If Nigerian context is all you have, then your argument is severely flawed, given the country is riddled with corruption at all levels, an indicator that spanking does not raise what you refer to as [i]wholesome/disciplined [/i]children/adults.

2. Nonsense! 🙄🙄🙄

oridavid:
That's understandable, just read 2 Peter 3:7-10, don't just read verse 8-9. Read broader. You'll see it's about judgment and the day of the Lord to come. Like I said, you mustn't agree with me but take your time to read it again. Thanks for your time every time.

The only understandable issue here is that religion— the doctrines and traditions of men you hold to — requires you to utterly reject that which is plainly stated in the text which you pretend to quote from to assert an interpretation— a spin, entirely removed from the message intended by the authors of the individual texts — that rather aligns with the doctrines of your religious overlords — your gods of men— in its place.

OlawaleBammie:
Did you read the story.. She was confirmed to be a drug addict, that alone settles every dust

She is a drug addict for taking drugs in her situation? You folks are really unbelievable! 🙄🙄🙄🙄🙄

hakeemhakeem:
Don't worry what makes you think your father is useless you will soon get to that stage,then you get to understand him well.

Stop lying to him.

The sign of maturity is the ability to make good decisions and take responsibility for the outcomes of one's decisions. OP and all others who come to similar realization can actively make decisions to avoid making the same terrible decisions their parents made.

Mictonpub:
➜Do you think you can winning Your Teenagers Without Shouting?

Think back to when you were a teenager yourself to find the answers you possibly need. In the ideal world, parenting can be done without all of that shouting, nagging, and repetition, but this is the real world. I suggest negotiating your way with them through much of the stress. 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣