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Bendeco02:You honestly stated the truth. It doesn't make sense going back to where you escape being killed 3 Likes |
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franchasng: I like how you chronicled the numerous instances proving beyond reasonable doubt that Igbos have been the ones aligning with the North since independence and till today. But what I find uncomfortable is that whenever it comes to the question of which part of the South aligned with the North in the North's misrule of Nigeria, most Igbos on nairaland would labour very hard to accuse Yorubas of being the ones despite the fact that Yorubas have largely been in opposition since independence as you yourself itted above. So why do you Igbos always peddle the lie that Nigeria was destroyed by the collusion of Yorubas with Northerners? 2 Likes |
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Baxilexi:What you are missing is the fact that godfatherism is a form of corruption and that Fubara's acceptance to be godfathered into office by Nyesom Wike in the very first instance was a manifestation of corruption and lack of principles on Fubara's path. When Fubara was accepting Wilke's offer of being anointed and godfathered into office, didn't he know that it was an act against the very spirit of democracy and injurious to genuine nation building, anti-people, demonic and a suppression of the sovereign will of the people? A truly principled politician and a sticker for the ideals of nation building you have elucidated above should have simply and honourably declined Wilke's offer at that time and asked him to throw the entire process open. Fubara is a beneficiary of a form of corruption which was perpetrated by Wike, and therefore there is no morality in his attempt to fight the very evil helped to perpetuate. Corruption does not ever fight itself and win. 3 Likes 1 Share |
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docdes: Unfortunately, you forgot that the New York governor was not railroaded to office by any godfather. 1 Like |
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Believeintruth: So the people in the thread below who unanimously adjudged Obi a failure as Anambra Governor are not Igbos? https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing/47 3 Likes |
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Brendaniel:I don't necessarily need to run for office in order to make a change. Changing a rotten society like ours is a collective efforts thing and before you can get everyone to work together to solve the problem, you must first make sure they even understand the problem in the first instance. If they don't understand the problem, there can't be a consensus among them as to what the solution is. You and I are very well educated on Nigeria's history hence we understand correctly that Nigeria's problem is fundamentally about the faulty structure we currently operate. But those who are not very educated on Nigeria's political history assume that our problem is corruption or bad leaders without knowing that we equally had very bad leaders during the First Republic we all agree was when good governance really happened especially at the regional level with the likes of Michael Okpara, Awolowo and Ahmadu Bello as Regional premiers. Not that these three regional premiers were saints but the structure back then compelled them to offer their best in the atmosphere of healthy competition among the regions. But most indomie generation youths of today don't know all these hence you hear them shouting corruption is our problem, bad and selfish politicians are our problem, Tinubu is our problem, Atiku is our problem, Obi couldn't govern Anambra very well but he wants to govern a bigger Nigeria, Kwankwaso is not fit to rule, Tinubu stole all the money in Lagos so he can't rule, etc. So I am already making a change here by educating people about the power of a right structure in bringing out the best in even satanic and devilish politicians. 1 Like |
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Believeintruth:Zik and Balewa destroyed Nigeria because they were the first public office holders in an independent Nigeria to knowingly violate the constitution and disobey court orders in a new democracy thereby setting the bad examples we complain of about our politicians, governors, president, etc till today. 1 Like |
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Believeintruth: I understand that the truth is difficult to accept hence you accuse me of hate. Per the first bolded; your attempt to was Zik's hands away from the Central Governments' unlawful intrusion in the Western Region Assembly crisis is dead on arrival because the crisis in question started in 1962 and it was the same year that the governing coalition at the center intruded. And as you correctly said, the Balewa-Zik (NPC-NCNC coalition) broke down in 1964, meaning that Zik only parted ways with Balewa two years after the Western Region crisis started. So that means Zik was still 100% with Balewa when Balewa unlawfully intervened in the Western Region Assembly crisis and started trying to kill AG. So Zik and Balewa did it together. Per the second bolded, the AG-NCNC Alliance was formed in 1964 as you correctly said. However, that was at the point where Balewa had used and dumped Zik and was still pummelling Zik and using Akintola to rid the Western Region of Igbos in public office and elected positions in Yorubaland, so much that Zik realized that for him and his Eastern Region to survive politically and be able to match Balewa s unrelenting onslaughts, he had to go back to his vomit ( of rejecting Awolowo's proposed AG-NCNC coalition in 1960) which if he had accepted when it was proposed, he as Prime Minister together with Awolowo as finance Minister, would have first of all nipped the North's born to rule agenda in the bud and proceeded to offer the country a very good governance that would have immediately placed Nigeria on the path to massive industrialization and all-round development such that less than fifteen years into post independence nationhood, Nigeria would have become at least a superpower in Africa. But Zik's return to his vomit was an afterthought too late as Awolowo was already in prison through his collusion with Balewa. Per the third bolded. We are saying the same thing. Without Zik behind Balewa, Balewa's Baking alone wouldn't have saved Akintola. Recall that it was a Zik's loyalist called Ebubedike that physically disrupted Akintola's impeachment process on the floor of The Western Region House of Assembly. 1 Like |
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Believeintruth: Wrong. Long before we adopted regional Government, tribalism and hatred was already in existence even from 1914. Was there regional Government in 1945 when tribalistic sentiments inspired Northerners to massacre Igbos in Jos? Tribalism comes naturally where people are cemented together without their consent. Tribalism is always built on lack of security and guarantee of ones group's interest. Once you bring people together without them first negotiating and agreeing mutually without duress to how they are going to coexist, the seeds of tribalism is automatically sown. That is human nature and it is a scientific phenomenon. So this idea that tribalism was introduced into Nigeria by one individual, one particular tribe or one particular system of government is very illogical and unscientific. It is peddled by uneducated people who have a very simplistic thought about everything in their lives. So anyone who ever wished that Nigeria was going to be free of tribalism after being brought to existence without the consent of the people needs to have his education qualification certificate reexmained. On the issue of Regional system: what is actually meant is federalism and not the mere existence of regions in name. We currently have six regions in Nigeria but would you agree that the present day six regions automatically means we are practicing regional system as we were doing at independence? On your talk about Confederacy: you are very wrong because if Confederacy was the best for us, how come in the 1957 London Constitutional Conference, even your very Igbo forebears in attendance in representative capacities of their federal constituencies didn't vote for it but made a case for unitary system just that they were defeated by the West and North which voted for federalism? Unitary system makes the centre too powerful while confederalism makes the subnational units too powerful than the center hence these two systems frequently lead to misgovernance and failed state status, hence the representatives to the London Constitutional Conference chose federalism by which the center and subnational units share powers almost equally and are able to checkmate and balance each other's excesses thereby ensuring a stable polity and genuine nation building. Federalism brings healthy competition which many folks like yourself mistake for tribalism. Aburi Accord had nothing on how the country was going to return to democracy. It was just an agreement on how soldiers were going to be sharing powers far into the future, thus it was meant to forever entrench military rule and a militaristic oligarchy on Nigeria. It even proposed regional army. Where on earth do people operate regional army? So Aburi Accord was an aberration in every sense and was rightly thrown into the dustbin. 1 Like |
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Brendaniel: What power do I, without an elective position, have to return Nigeria to regional Government? 1 Like |
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Payunsin:Gut Analysis |
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zendi:So you too share the sentiment that NSEMPA have enough financial muscles or stock holdings to cause any price movement, price stagnation, scarcity or glut of shares in the market? With the intensity of the commendations received here by PRESCO on of its all ramifications fantastic results, and the pledge by our heavyweights here to accumulate it, you would have thought that PRESCO would be in the neighborhood of N1200 by now, but here we are still battling to break out. |
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EmeeNaka: And Ironically the same NCNC led by Zik stood against the liberation of the COR areas from the Eastern Region. So liberation was only meant for minorities in the West but not for minorities in the East? Mind you that the quest for Midwest creation was started by Oba Akenzua and Zik only rode on it opportunistically to attempt killing the AG in favour of his NPC-NCNC ruling coalition with Balewa . The ruling coalition would later crumble and the same Balewa used that very Midwest to fight Zik by way of getting the Midwest to the NNA alliance which had just been consummated between Akintola's NNDP and NPC to frustrate the UPGA which Zik had rushed to form with the same AG he rejected at independence. In conclusion, much as the creation of Midwest was desired by the natives, Zik's of it was with sinister intentions which later boomeranged on him. Even when Adaka Boro declared Nigeria Delta Republic from the Eastern Region, Zik and his cotravellers like Ironsi and Ojukwu stopped him with the federal military might of one Nigeria 6 Likes 1 Share |
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essentialone: It Standard Alliance finally gets back on trading mode, I won't waste time getting off its bus and from that moment I will be completely free from the 2008 trap as this is the last school fees stock still in my portfolio. 5 Likes |
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Payunsin:That's GA |
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mikeapollo: Wow! That will be very rewarding. Thanks for the clarification. Then what am waiting for to overload my portfolio? At least overload will not cause accident in this case. |
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yMcy56:Thanks for the clarification 1 Like |
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yMcy56:But with Oando's about 12bn OS already, I am afraid a bonus issue will not help their fundamentals in immediate term. Just my wild imagination anyway even though I too am heavy in Oando and shall only disembark if Tinubu loses reelection in 2027. 2 Likes |
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kettykin: From your claims that Tinubu changed party at some point and that Awolowo introduced crosscarperting, it is obvious you really don't know the difference between defection and political alliance/merger. What happened in the case of Awolowo was not crosscarperting but a political alliance between Action Group and other smaller parties like Ibadan People's Party, Ondo Industrial League, etc which gave Awolowo the lead figures required to become premier of the Western Region. Go and read the book 'My Odyssey ' written by Zik in which he, at old age, later confessed that he didn't win that Western Region election as against his earlier claim that he won it but that Awolowo used crosscarperting to change the results. The same political alliance happened at independence when Zik himself used his NCNC to forces with Ahmadu Bello's NPC to form the NPC-NCNC alliance which became ruling coalition after their combined seats got majority which no single party separately could attain. Would you accuse Zik or his NCNC MPs of crosscarperting to Ahmadu Bello's NPC? Then also ask yourself how it even makes sense that an election was conducted and the electoral body declared Zik as winner, and Awolowo thereafter used crosscarperting to make that electoral body change the results and declared that Zik no longer won but Awolowo now the winner. Furthermore, Tinubu and Buhari never left any party for another, they only formed mergers with their parties. Take for example when banks were merging in Nigeria during Soludo's reign as CBN governor. A bank like UBA and Standard Trust Bank went into merger. Would you say that the merger means that a person initially working for Standard Trust Bank had resigned from Standard Trust Bank and taken a new job at UBA? 4 Likes 1 Share |
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WondaBeauty: Stocks are not exactly same as forex currency pairs. |
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ValarDoharis: Was Ironsi not an Igbo man? Why asking how Ironsi was an Igbo president? Was he a Northerner or a Yoruba or a SS man? Are you trying to deny that Ironsi was an Igbo man or what? Gowon inherited powerless groups of provinces and not regions. In fact at some point Gowon had to make a decree reverting the regions to their previous autonomy which Ironsi stripped them of. If Ironsi didn't tamper with the regions at all, then how come in his May 29 national broadcast he kept on referring to them as 'former regions'? What is the meaning of the word 'former' if I may ask? And why did he ask the heads he imposed on the groups of provinces to be reporting to him at the center? Were the premiers of the previous actual four regions reporting to Balewa at the center before the coup? Your position now is akin to claiming that Nigeria presently operates regional system just because things like NE, NW, NC, SE, SW and SS exist when in actual fact these regions are not federating units and are not legal entities. Don't use sophistry here to twist facts. So if, by the time Tinubu leaves office, he begins to claim that he left Nigeria with true federalism just because whoever will succeed him then will inherit the present six regions, will you agree with him? Why being this dishonest? Does the fact that Gowon didn't kill the coup plotters change the fact that Ironsi's refusal to kill them led to his own overthrow and murder? Check very well, you are the one dishing out beer parlour and kain kain t gossip. 2 Likes |
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ValarDoharis: Why did he refuse to try the coup plotters for up to six months despite having arrested all of them successfully within a week after the coup itself? Is there any other military government in the history of Nigeria that delayed trial of arrested coup plotters for up to a month talkless of a whooping six months? Why Did Ironsi, the Igbo president split the preexisting regions to groups of provinces in the first instance? Why not just leave them exactly the way he met them? If Ironsi the Igbo extraction head of government had tried the coup plotters quickly and executed them, replaced Tarawa Balewa with Dipcharima whom the parliament democratically threw up, replaced the slain regional premiers with their deputies, left the constitution alone and returned to the barracks to continue his career as a professional army officer, do you think Gowon would have ever had the opportunity to smell power let alone create 12 states? 1 Like |
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Greenback:The fear of disintegration was introduced into Nigeria by Nnamdi Azikiwe. Was he a Northerner? 1 Like |
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igbosarejews:But when Azikiwe was myopically pushing the doctrine that The unity of Nigeria is perpetual and non-negotiable and that Igbos have been destined to dominate Nigeria, why did you his people not rise back then to ask him to shut up and tell him that the one-Nigeria he was preaching was a scam? Why did you first welcome one-Nigeria philosophy when Zik originated it and now you so hate it? What later suddenly changed your minds? 1 Like |
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Amudeneogu:This is the most honest and truthful comment I have so far seen on this thread. To corroborate your position; in 1998 an Igbo man (Alex Ekweme) was billed to become president of this country come 1999 as he alone satisfied by merit all the criteria put forward by the PDP national working committee for flag bearership of the party. But in the primaries IBB bulldozed the place with N5m per delegate towards influencing them to vote for Obasanjo the stooge and lackey of the North whom the Yorubas being said to be compensated for MKO's death would have themselves rejected in preference for Ekweme in the elections proper. Unfortunately the Igbo delegates collected the bribe from IBB and voted massively for Obasanjo against their own Ekweme who naturally stood a better chance and would have made a better president than Obasanjo. But ironically enough the same Igbos till today keep defending their choice of Obasanjo over Ekweme while complaining of being denied presidency and alleging it to be in conspiracy against Igbo race. In addition, when Ogbulafor, as National PDP Chairman and as an Igbo man, took a principled and honest stand against the ambition of Jonathan on the ground that a Northerner should be allowed to complete the remaining 5½ years of Yaradua in defense of the PDP zoning arrangement so that it would be the turn of Igbos when that Northerner would be leaving office, it was mostly Igbos (not even Jonathan's own South South kinsmen) that insulted Ogbulafor and applauded Jonathan for going to dig out a phantom corruption allegation to charge Ogbulafor to court and get him removed as PDP national chairman so as to quieten him. The truth is that Igbos have always taken self destructive decisions for the benefits of the North, SS and SW all for very ephemeral pecuniary gains only to turn around and allege being marginalized by these very other regions. How masochistic and self destructive a people could be? 1 Like |
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essentialone:It should have been weighted average. 1 Like |
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Racoon: See how you distort facts? If anything, Oshiomhole was even in of Jonathan over the removal. In fact Oshiomhole, despite being in the opposition, was the only governor that openly came out in public to defend Jonathan over the subsidy removal in 2012. None of the PDP governors from the SE or SS was bold enough to do what Oshiomhole did and none of you Jonathan fans could call them out. Then where did you ever see Buhari in the streets protesting against the subsidy removal back then? It was only after he became the APC flag bearer in 2015 that he criticized subsidy in response to journalists' question during a press interview. Then when did Tinubu enter the streets to protest against subsidy? Most of you GEJ ers just look for any means possible to demonize Oshiomhole and Tinubu just for political correctness. 13 Likes 2 Shares |
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mikeapollo: Words on marble. Without good health, everything else in life is meaningless including investment. It is when one falls so sick and on hospital bed that one realizes that health is the most important thing in life. 13 Likes 1 Share |
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Streetinvestor2: I have learnt today that there are two types of portfolio, namely: Jijo portfolio and investment portfolio. Even investment gurus and fund managers in the corporate world would marvel at the investment terminologies used on NSEMPA. ![]() 5 Likes |
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