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Deadlytruth:

Yes and emphatically so. If he had restrained himself from unlawfully intervening in the Western Region's purely internal crisis, the whole thing would have run its natural course and Akintola would have been successfully impeached in line with the wish of an overwhelming majority of Western Region people hence there would have been peace and the issue of Awolowo seeking self help against Balewa-Zik Coalition Government wouldn't have ever been, Awolowo wouldn't have been imprisoned hence the January 15 1966 coup wouldn't have even been plotted and Ironsi wouldn't have ever risen to power let alone cause the constitutional crisis which sparked off a war that led to the Nigerian tragedy we all regret today. So those who helped Balewa clinch power in the name of political strategy should be blamed for the failure of Nigeria.

So what is the solution ?

Brendaniel:


So what is the solution ?

Two options:

1. Nigeria should split through a motion in the National Assembly

2. Nigeria should return to the Independence constitution by which each region is genuinely autonomous but this time the states as presently constituted will take the place of the regions.

All this gaslighting needs to stop nobody is denying it’s a democracy anyone voted for becomes the president.

Man102:


Source : https://politicsnigeria.com/denying-igbo-presidency-over-secession-attempts-is-unfair-obasanjo/

Deadlytruth:

Two options:

1. Nigeria should split through a motion in the National Assembly

2. Nigeria should return to the Independence constitution by which each region is genuinely autonomous but this time the states as presently constituted will take the place of the regions.

Since you claim to know the solution, what have you done with it ?

Deadlytruth:

Two options:

1. Nigeria should split through a motion in the National Assembly

2. Nigeria should return to the Independence constitution by which each region is genuinely autonomous but this time the states as presently constituted will take the place of the regions.

Regional government is what has caused deep seethed tribalism and hatred starting from 1951. We cannot have regional government. What Nigeria needs is a confederation system, which was agreed at Aburi. It was because of the selfishness of the perm secs then that they convinced a naive Gowon to renege on it. That would have solved Nigeria's problems since.

Deadlytruth:

Yes and emphatically so. If he had restrained himself from unlawfully intervening in the Western Region's purely internal crisis, the whole thing would have run its natural course and Akintola would have been successfully impeached in line with the wish of an overwhelming majority of Western Region people hence there would have been peace and the issue of Awolowo seeking self help against Balewa-Zik Coalition Government wouldn't have ever been, Awolowo wouldn't have been imprisoned hence the January 15 1966 coup wouldn't have even been plotted and Ironsi wouldn't have ever risen to power let alone cause the constitutional crisis which sparked off a war that led to the Nigerian tragedy we all regret today. So those who helped Balewa clinch power in the name of political strategy should be blamed for the failure of Nigeria.

You are so filled with hatred that you taint your discussions with lies. By the 1964 elections the NPC/NCNC alliance had broken down that even Zik refused to accept to form the government and he called on the military to help restore law and order. The military advice that they cannot be involved then. You conveniently in your bid to tell lies hid that fact.
Again you failed to tell people that AG and NCNC formed an alliance in the 1964 elections, where Adegbenro was the candidate. There was no way Akintola would have been impeached. He had the backing of Balewa and his breakaway part formed an alliance with NPC.
With the violence already happening in the West and the fact that Balewa and Sardauna had perfected plans to take out AG guys in the plans to wallop the West.

Deadlytruth:


Akintola and Sardauna were regional rulers and the argument in this thread is about how Nigeria was destroyed at the national level (not regional level) by the making of wrong choices at the national elections. So this Akintola and Sardauna angle you are trying to introduce is diversionary.

Nigeria was not destroyed at national level by one man Zik. Bros stop the lies

Noone is denying the Igbo, they just don't know how to play the Politics.

The Igbos are Fighting the Yoruba,Hausa, and almost all the people in SS.

gabbytabby:
All this gaslighting needs to stop nobody is denying it’s a democracy anyone voted for becomes the president.

Don't mind them, they want people to vote for Peter Obi but go about abusing and insulting the same people beforehand.

They can't humble themselves enough to create an alliance with others yet they expect to be President.

Instead of learning from Yoruba people to see how those ones are spending more time as President than any other group, they are rejoicing when disasters occur in Yorubaland.

Such idiocy.

EJEGBULEJE:
Noone is denying the Igbo, they just don't know how to play the Politics.

The Igbos are Fighting the Yoruba,Hausa, and almost all the people in SS.

When did they fight anyone? The truth is this anytime an igbo person comes up for presidency. The secession is used as a tool to whip up anti igbo sentiments against that person.

aswani:


Don't mind them, they want people to vote for Peter Obi but go about abusing and insulting the same people beforehand.

They can't humble themselves enough to create an alliance with others yet they expect to be President.

Instead of learning from Yoruba people to see how those ones are spending more time as President than any other group, they are rejoicing when disasters occur in Yorubaland.

Such idiocy.

That is a big fat lie. You guys also insult igbos as well. Stop lying and gaslighting igbos.
You people whip up the secession stories to push an anti igbo sentiment.

aswani:


Don't mind them, they want people to vote for Peter Obi but go about abusing and insulting the same people beforehand.

They can't humble themselves enough to create an alliance with others yet they expect to be President.

Instead of learning from Yoruba people to see how those ones are spending more time as President than any other group, they are rejoicing when disasters occur in Yorubaland.

Such idiocy.

They don't need to learn from Yorubas. It is still a feudalism you guys play that is bringing the nation down. So leave matter abeg.

Believeintruth:


That is a big fat lie. You guys also insult igbos as well. Stop lying and gaslighting igbos.
You people whip up the secession stories to push an anti igbo sentiment.

What is the lie there?

Secession stories are whipped up by Ndigbo, feel free to name the non igbo actors doing such.

Believeintruth:


They don't need to learn from Yorubas. It is still a feudalism you guys play that is bringing the nation down. So leave matter abeg.

Which feudalism, you realise President Tinubu lost two states in ala Yoruba and PDP and LP got healthy losing results in states in that same ala Yoruba?

Now remind which tribe practiced "feudalism" in giving their son ovewhelming votes?

Deadlytruth:


After ing the North to elect Balewa, didn't you people later turn around to complain of his misgovernance so much as to stage a bloody coup to remove him illegally? By that alone, you and your people were the first in the history of Nigeria to later complain of the very choice you made.
Others complain but not to the point of taking up arms to kill those they voted into power and even kill innocent persons alongside.

The igbos via NCNC didn't the north. In fact the alliance was a British design the election had NPC with more seats but not the popular votes with NCNC coming second but having the popular votes, AG coming third. So this was a hung parliament, the idea was any party that can form an alliance will form the government. Sardauna told the British that the north will not be interested in indepence if the southern parties form an alliance. This was why the British decided that NPC will form alliance with a party in the south. So no igbo ed to elect Balewa. This lie is too stale.

Deadlytruth:
Without prejudice to the fact that Tinubu made it clear that the implementation of his campaign promises would cause temporary microelectronic discomfort at first but ease out later into prosperity,
the guy here is far better than you lots because he could be adjudged to have ed Tinubu when he innocently assumed he would meet up with his expectation hence he made a choice he innocently thought was right and now he is honest (though an ill informed honesty) to acknowledge he made a wrong choice. But per you lots who already knew and with your own mouths adjudged Peter Obi to be a failure many years before 2023, all of a sudden queued up behind him tagging him the long awaited messiah. Nothing could be a better example of a deliberate wrong choice. Look at the thread here where you yourselves called Obi a monumental failure before 2023: Happy reading.
https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/870945/what-exactly-peter-obi-doing/47

Oga even Yorubas adjusted Tinubu not to have done anything when he was governor. Even PO the statistics that showed his performance at the time it was published in 2017 showed that he performed.

aswani:


Which feudalism, you realise President Tinubu lost two states in ala Yoruba and PDP and LP got healthy losing results in states in that same ala Yoruba?

Now remind which tribe practiced "feudalism" in giving their son ovewhelming votes?

See calm down Lagos is cosmopolitan and Osun was won by PDP because of Adeleke. Again it is understandable that PO got more votes in the east not because he is their son, but because APC alienated the igbos, PDP didn't fulfil their end of the bargain, so even if Obi didn't campaign in the east he will still get votes. Again you say we gave overwhelming votes because he is our son right, you conveniently forgot that our son Ojukwu the great Ikemba Nnewi was denied votes by igbos even in his state.
Oga look for another lie that can stick.

aswani:


What is the lie there?

Secession stories are whipped up by Ndigbo, feel free to name the non igbo actors doing such.

It is a lie. Okay this one in Nairaland who whipped it up? Was it an igbo man? You guys should stop making us believe what the British colonial envoy said about Yoruba " i have never seen a people who would consciously tell lies and turn around to believe their lies as truth"

Who denied who? It was an election and the people voted. It was not given to Tinubu on a platter of gold, he worked his butt off over a decade even though I may not agree with his politics.

Obj is too old for this.

Believeintruth:


See calm down Lagos is cosmopolitan and Osun was won by PDP because of Adeleke. Again it is understandable that PO got more votes in the east not because he is their son, but because APC alienated the igbos, PDP didn't fulfil their end of the bargain, so even if Obi didn't campaign in the east he will still get votes. Again you say we gave overwhelming votes because he is our son right, you conveniently forgot that our son Ojukwu the great Ikemba Nnewi was denied votes by igbos even in his state.
Oga look for another lie that can stick.

How come Chinedu Gbadebo lost to Sanwoolu if Lagos is so cosmopolitan?

You accused Yoruba of feudalism and are now saying Osun went to PDP bevsuof Adeleke, are Ọṣún people not Yorùbá again?

I am not talking about Ikemba or previous elections, I am talking about the effontery of you, an Ndigbo, claiming others are feudal, when you look at the last election results in ala Igbo. Even Ndi North voted other people's sons over their own, stop conflating issues.

aswani:


How come Chinedu Gbadebo lost to Sanwoolu if Lagos is so cosmopolitan?

You accused Yoruba of feudalism and are now saying Osun went to PDP bevsuof Adeleke, are Ọṣún people not Yorùbá again?

I am not talking about Ikemba or previous elections, I am talking about the effontery of you, an Ndigbo, claiming others are feudal, when you look at the last election results in ala Igbo. Even Ndi North voted other people's sons over their own, stop conflating issues.

Oga seriously you opened your stinking mouth to ask why he lost Lagos election abi. You didn't see evidence of thugs harassing people abi. Why did they postpone the governorship elections? Oga see ehn let thunder not strike you dead for engaging in obvious gaslighting and lies.

Believeintruth:


It is a lie. Okay this one in Nairaland who whipped it up? Was it an igbo man? You guys should stop making us believe what the British colonial envoy said about Yoruba " i have never seen a people who would consciously tell lies and turn around to believe their lies as truth"

Who is the Ndi Yoruba that whipped up secession stories, name and shame and prove they are Yoruba.

Believe all you want about what British colonial envoy said, we can discuss that later. I am sure you have the name of who said it and the date thru did.

Stop conflating issues, which Yoruba person or people shipped up secession stories?

aswani:


How come Chinedu Gbadebo lost to Sanwoolu if Lagos is so cosmopolitan?

You accused Yoruba of feudalism and are now saying Osun went to PDP bevsuof Adeleke, are Ọṣún people not Yorùbá again?

I am not talking about Ikemba or previous elections, I am talking about the effontery of you, an Ndigbo, claiming others are feudal, when you look at the last election results in ala Igbo. Even Ndi North voted other people's sons over their own, stop conflating issues.

Igbos are republican by nature even you know it. Oga the elections where Ojukwu and Obasanjo contested puts paid to all your attempts at trying to tribalise how igbos voted PO. Oga this format has failed.

aswani:


Who is the Ndi Yoruba that whipped up secession stories, name and shame and prove they are Yoruba.

Believe all you want about what British colonial envoy said, we can discuss that later. I am sure you have the name of who said it and the date thru did.

Stop conflating issues, which Yoruba person or people shipped up secession stories?

I asked you a question the post in Nairaland on secession who brought it up? Is it not a yoruba man.

Nnamdipapa:
Who denied who? It was an election and the people voted. It was not given to Tinubu on a platter of gold, he worked his butt off over a decade even though I may not agree with his politics.

Obj is too old for this.

By manipulating INEC process? Oga just shut up please

Believeintruth:


By manipulating INEC process? Oga just shut up please

INEC has always been manipulated in all Nigeria's elections, did you just wake up from a twenty years coma?

Believeintruth:


Oga seriously you opened your stinking mouth to ask why he lost Lagos election abi. You didn't see evidence of thugs harassing people abi. Why did they postpone the governorship elections? Oga see ehn let thunder not strike you dead for engaging in obvious gaslighting and lies.

Did they only postphone Lagos state governorship elections?

By the way, you are spinning the discussion away ftom your claims of Yoruba feudalism. Why did President Tinubu not rìn Lagos State and other Yoruba states hands down like Peter Obi did in Ká igbó?

Also, thugs did harass people in Lagos state Presidential elections, this was wrong too, yet Peter Obi won, why didn't Chinedu Gbadebo defeat Sanwoolu?

Believeintruth:


Igbos are republican by nature even you know it. Oga the elections where Ojukwu and Obasanjo contested puts paid to all your attempts at trying to tribalise how igbos voted PO. Oga this format has failed.

So republican, whatever that means, they gave overwhelming votes to their son and you accuse those that didn't of feudalism, reason am.

This has nothing to do with Obasanjo in a national party or Ikemba in a regional party. More conflating, stop it

Believeintruth:


I asked you a question the post in Nairaland on secession who brought it up? Is it not a yoruba man.

I don't know, you tell me. You are the one referring to it.

aswani:


So republican, whatever that means, they gave overwhelming votes to their son and you accuse those that didn't of feudalism, reason am.

This has nothing to do with Obasanjo in a national party or Ikemba in a regional party. More conflating, stop it

It has everything to with Obasanjo and Ikemba during 2003 elections. If you are saying igbos voted Obi based on tribalism how do you explain Ikemba and Obasanjo in 2003? See this lie is stale looking for another format.

aswani:


Did they only postphone Lagos state governorship elections?

By the way, you are spinning the discussion away ftom your claims of Yoruba feudalism. Why did President Tinubu not rìn Lagos State and other Yoruba states hands down like Peter Obi did in Ká igbó?

Also, thugs did harass people in Lagos state Presidential elections, this was wrong too, yet Peter Obi won, why didn't Chinedu Gbadebo defeat Sanwoolu?

Oga the harassment was tip notch during governorship stop trying to lie and make yourself believe that you lie is the truth. Even you know that if elections for governor was not postponed with the momentum APC would have lost Lagos.

Nnamdipapa:


INEC has always been manipulated in all Nigeria's elections, did you just wake up from a twenty years coma?

Oga stop trying to be evasive and half clever. The IRev has manipulated and you know this. Even his margin of victory is clear indication that he was not accepted. That is why he is still facing a crisis of legitimacy