NewStats: 3,263,941 , 8,181,989 topics. Date: Sunday, 08 June 2025 at 09:30 PM d111i

jln115:

I'm an ant well more of an Auditor!!

Call your financial comrade into order

For some strange reasons I always thought you were with Working on Fire?

ssaengine:


Nah dude...just point out that he is making stuff up, let him simmer in the embarrassment. Other language is unnecessary. My 2 cents

Naah man...

I understand he's patriotic and that's fine.. Making claims is something else BUT going on saying things like "random South Africans" is on another level when we try to put him inline.

Maybe he doesn't know, there's 3 South Africans with the military, 1 ex military and at least 4 with technical knowledge in different fields... None of us are ants here. If there's anyone who's random here it's him with his misplaced qualifications to count money in a military thread.

Henry240:

Watch the video and stop talking nonsense you fool!

I have no time for niceties, your display of internet stupidity or any form of tomfoolery.

It was clearly stated that it can withstand AA rounds, what caliber is an AA round?

Some AA rounds are 30mm, so you mean to tell us the ARA can withstand a 30mm round? I think you should stick to counting nairas and leave commentary to other people.

NB: You don't have physical science or some kind of technical subjects in your field of studies or work so shut the f*ck up.

jln115:

Badger does not have a v-shaped bro!! we are past that now, we have now developed flat floor technology......another world first!!

Actually, the Badger has the V-shape. You're confusing with with the Paramount Mbombe which is a flat base.... We didn't create the Badger, we just heavily modified it.

Just to add some little information.

With a single layer of armour, you're likely to withstand 7.62mm. A vehicle like the Ratel had some extra front plate for 14.5mm protection. A vehicle like the Denel Badger has modular armour plates around (which envelope the V-hull) with about 3 layers of armour (with a buffer zone on the outer layer and second) that is why it can withstand up to 30mm of armour piercing rounds.

The ARA has a single layer which I'll put it at 7.62 mm or so of protection.

tdayof:


All am saying is, if you consider yourself as an expert to falsify proforce claim then an armoring company with experts who have the actual fact of the vehicle is right.

The claims of the PROFORCE ARA MRAP withstanding up to 23mm could be true if the 23mm bullet is fired at a certain distance eg 2km and above. In that case, almost almost all MRAPS have a surviving chance at that distance.


I want you to get this straight, it wouldn't survive a 23mm at less than 200m which is the distance where most ambushes occur.

ssaengine:
I guess 23 mm can be defended against if you're far enough away * thinking deeply *


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T2f2e8eYGTE

If you're stupid enough you can surely fire at that distance and damage nothing. Wait for your target until you ambush them at less than 200m, you'll massacre them.

SA Special Forces firing a captured ZU-32 (23mm)

ssaengine:


Forget Africa. Best protected MRAP in the world. "Up to 23 mm" . If this is an official Proforce statement I feel sorry for them, they just.....never mind, let me not start a fight

It really doesn't help Proforce's brand at all by making such non.sense claims, especially with their first MRAP. Makes them look amateur. Simple google search by their research team should have raised alarm bells with that claim.

Forget the 23mm, this sh*t can take alien laser and still sing gumbaya.

I hope Spielberg and Blomkamp are watching, this is the apocalypse vehicle right here.

MikeCZA:
Can we commence celebrations for three pages!!!

Get us the following pictures of the Marlin

1. You posing next to it
2. With the SAAF CAS
3. With a random dude with civilian clothes
4. With it packed outside
5. With it in black-and-white

We have to post it from all directions and ire it's beauty as the "best missile in Africa"

That shall be enough to post for months

Fvck me, Islamic extremism is trying to spread to southern Africa.

An Islamic group trying to impose Sharia Law attacked and killed police in Mozambique

http://allafrica.com/stories/201710120066.html

ssaengine:
Got to love South African engineering. Why buy top tech when you can build it yourself?

http://www.defenceweb.co.za/mobilesite/defenceweb/home/item_id-49580/

Marlin missile making swift progess

Denel Dynamics also sees Marlin configured into an all-weather surface-to-air missile. Common subsystems will be used for the different variants of the weapon, with some components tailored specifically for the relevant application of the missile.

All I'm reading is the S-400 9M96E2 missile. Denel is making the S-400 9M96E2 missile, my night is already beautiful.

frumentius:


I trust the boffins at CSIR.

Exactly what I said. You can't trust GPS and external communication.

The solution is easy, you pre-feed the vehicle with an offline 3D map. Then use algorithm and live sensors to compensate for the latest changes that may have occurred on the map. Now the biggest challenge would be the live sensors, they may need to be able to 3D render the landscape (including vegetation and buildings) in high definition at a long distance in order for the vehicle to make an informed navigation decision.

I personally know no sensor that can render such high level data at that range and be mobile. Then you'll have to setup data storage inside the vehicle which would equate to a Hollywood server alongside it's cooling system..... God forbid it doesn't run on AMD graphics cards and processors because I tell that thing will be a hot infrared target at 15km.

newafricaken254:
ok,then who will be willing to abide by this rules.when your foe could be developing such tech covertly

Trust me, robots are not going to war not anytime soon.

See, it's much easier to create a digital robot and place it in a digital simulator. It can navigate the whole digital world with easy because it wouldn't need sensors.... As for military vehicles, that's decades away, billions of dollars would be spent to make it a reality.

A vehicle would need some advanced GPS (not the standard that's off the mark by 3m), laser sensors, infrared, sound weaves (you name it) just to navigate. If it gets frequency blocked then it can't access the GPS then it's lost and it can't get commands from home.... So what would happen? It would have to rely on it's onboard algorithm to fight its way out provided the UN allows people to be autonomously killed by machines.

frumentius:


We Cheetah fans tend to shoot back .

Really though, in a contested battle space, there definitely is room for an autonomous tank. Think of eastern Ukraine, where they couldn't perform air recce cos the Russkies shot everything down. Load the thing with sensors for battlefield surveillance and if destroyed, no lives lost.

So your idea is to have a robot tank for recorn? Please enlighten me how a 2,5m high vehicle goes on reccon in enemy territory? Unless Russians were very unsober on Russian Bear they carelessly drank before they were deployed then totally ignored a huge noisy vehicle with sensors on the open fields of Motha Russia.

So me and you agree that the robot tank is for fun, not really practical.

The CSIR should start researching on the next generation "bulletproof" glass as well, last night some thugs managed to penetrate reinforced glass on another N4 cash-in-transit heist.

horlams:


It's right there on their website


http://proforcedefence.com


Why are you like this?

The problem here is the manufacturer claims. There's no way we could those claims. The vehicle had not been field tested, not blown or been fired upon but they're already claiming STANAG levels.

For it to be STANAG 4569, it has to withstand 10kg of TNT and that is something no one has seen.

Imagine this becoming automous, hacked and come back to you.

MikeCZA:
No driver and No loader = future.

There hasn't been much advances in tanks compared to fighter aircraft since WW2.

I agree on the "no loader" part, the Russians have been doing it for decades. As for the "no driver" part, nerds can hack things you know so you can't let a lethal machine run on its own.

The only time I think robots could work would be when you're engaging targets at a short range like when a patrol is ambushed then a robot (within the patrol) engages the ambush to buy time for the humans to escape. As soon as the ambush is over, the robot s its human bosses then it's switched off from automous mode before it could be hacked.

frumentius:



The AI is only for the navigation and driving. A human will still decide if and when to fire .

Then you might as well strap on a headgear on your face and navigate the tank yourself from your couch in Tembe, what's the AI for if you need to stay on the screen and shoot.

It would be great if the robot tank navigated, tracked and engaged targets on its own while the generals drank coffee. Again, it risks chances of being frequency blocked, hacked and before you know it it's marching down Bloem guns blazing shooting Cheetah fans...

Patented:
I think the UN Banned fully autonomous killer robots not just unmanned killer robots. IN essence they banned killer robots that can make the decision to kill on their own.

Which would make Frumentius killer robot tank a waste of research resources.

Me say, if the CSIR needs to research something on the defense side of things then they must look into creating some new cash-in-transit vehicle tech. The thugs have found ways to blow open vehicles not even the Iraqi insurgents were able to.... That's over 200 vehicles with military grade steel blown open this year.

frumentius:


The CSIR is looking at a driver-less tank solution that will cost less than $50K! Retrofitted to the multituted of Soviet tanks out there - Ukraine, for example - it's certainly a real world application. The AI tech on its own is worth a bundle!!! The Israelis -no slouches when it comes to tank tech - are interested, and I daresay, if we pull this off, it will be on the same same scale as our V-shaped anti-mine tech. The exception being this time we'll properly patent it because we're not sanctioned.
A few countries are working on the same thing, and currently, we might just have a global edge and we should be pouring more money into it than SARA!

Interesting.

But let's not forget that SARA is Denel's while this dream robot tank is CSIR's. But again, didn't the UN outlaw "killer robots"?

frumentius:


Denel Aviation is wasting scarce R & D funds on the un-loved SARA, not the CSIR. My mates at the CSIR Defence section would rather work on projects with realistic prospects!
Like driver-less tanks, for example. Or mine/IED-resistant boots etc.

Hell, the world-first bio-mimicry antenna for jungle ops is more deserving of funds than the ego-driven SARA that clue-less politicians have been punting!

Come on, driverless tanks.... So what's gonna happen? We get an MK1 Olifant and throw in some sensors in it then get it to fight in the African bush? Hehe, ain't you the one who really dislikes sensors...?

As for the SARA, I personally like it for "look at us we created an aircraft" kinda thing. It helps boosting Denels portfolio, unless you create something big, the world is hardly impressed.

GreenandGold:
For 8 years in a row, the CSIR is the best company to work for in South Africa. For the initiated, the CSIR is South Africa's research institution where guys like Denel consult for some high tech gizmos. They're currently working on the SARA that Frumentius hates.

As I always say, I never paid much attention to my science class otherwise I would be here.

Algerian1:
Beech1900D HISAR Multi Mission Surveillance Aircraft , Algerian AF

Mounted under the fuselage in a large fairing is the HISAR. The aircraft are also equipped with Sky Guardian ESM and Wescam Type 16 FLIR and SIGINT function also was added .

Like those green patterns.

tdayof:


No idea. Thanks wasn't expecting a photoshoped picture from their official page.

It's pretty normal for manufacturers to add renders of weapons on vehicles. Think of it as a visual demonstrator.

Algerian1:
Pantsir-S1 , combined short to medium range surface-to-air missile and anti-aircraft artillery

pic during last exercise , Algerian army

Some heavy ish right there.

SupremeCourt:
A defector becomes propaganda machine for those who grant him asylum. Simple logic. True numbers of dead in Cuba vs RSA war will never be known, cold war era is full of secrets, lies, and half truths. I think Cuba won the war by frustrating RSA to call for final truce treaty deal.

If Cuba won, they would have marched straight to Windhoek with their tanks. Castro would have killed for that moment of glory.

The closest they ever got to Namibia was 40km even when the SADF wasn't inside Angola to deter them, the thought of another encounter was enough to push them back.


Cuba was forced out of Angola and SWAPO was converted from being a Communist party on the negotiations table.

The only winners here were the Namibians because they got their own country back from South Africa in a single piece through a democratic process where SWAPO won instead of forcefully claiming power like in most African countries that got independence before.

newafricaken254:
he spots the drone and takes cover

What is this? Hollywood? where such things happen. If you're a sniper, your eye stays on the scope. Your targets are on the ground. You can't afford moving them off, you look somewhere else then the target advances towards your position. Bye bye, go meet your buddies in hades.

Xbee007:

I would rather be behind the sniper rifle than some mortal with low accuracy. The only disadvantage that sniper had is the open location. Snipers are supposed to be concealed.

This guy does sniping the wrong way. Spotters and cheap civilian drones (used by the regional insurgets) can pick him up.

I personally fear mortar shell than a sniper bullet. I don't know about other military accuracy skills but with the SANDF you can't use one unless you're qualified so as we all know they can put 6 shells in the air before the first one hits the ground. That's plenty of hit probability.

1. Ratel 60 (mortar)
2. Ratel 81 (mortar)

That's firing from safety.

newafricaken254:
mortar guy decapitated by him

Nope. A $1000 drone spots his location from the air because he's not even covered. Mortar crew takes him out. He doesn't have more than 2.5km of effective firing range, mortar can have 7km in killing range.

newafricaken254:
T-5000 sniper rifle with officer from the Egyptian special forces during the last military operations in Rafah city ,north Sinai

Mortar takes him out.

OMG, look at how sexy this vehicle is. Its the best in Africa. OMG, give me specs on this baby.