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chrisUmendeche:
Learning frameworks without learning hand coding will do you more harm than good. You have to learn the basics first, which is learning how to use your hand and code, it has many advantages, if not you will mess everything up when using frameworks. Am a strong advocate of hand coding, it makes you learn and be more creative.

Lol, don't deceive yourself with this mentality. The things you can do with frameworks and libraries, you can't even dream of doing by coding from the scratch .

Update on learning UI/UX by Mararraba youths.

Nice one Tim!

Tim1212:
Thank you all for dropping both positive and negative comments as regards to this mini side project.


This is just a project they built while learning Web Programming under 2 months. Learning HTML5/CSS3 and Javascript within few months is not easy.

They will move into more advanced features in the second-batch of the training soon.


Please they have no experience, knowledge of programming before enrolling.


This ever their first experience and I believe they will improve.

this is great! you did a wonderful job with these guys. don't ever let the words of these WordPress installers that can't write a single line of code discourage you. if this guy did this in two months of learning without any framework, then he must be commended. I am sure that by the next six months he will be a guru. I am an advocate of learning how to code first before jumping into frameworks. If Larry page of Google was a framework junkie, he would not be able to write the famous page rank algorithm.

explorer250:
this is great! you did a wonderful job with these guys. don't ever let the words of these WordPress installers that can't write a single line of code discourage you. if this guy did this in two months of learning without any framework, then he must be commended. I am sure that by the next six months he will be a guru. I am an advocate of learning how to code first before jumping into frameworks. If Larry page of Google was a framework junkie, he would not be able to write the famous page rank algorithm.

Thank you so much bro... Learning to code enables them to become problem solvers.

chrisUmendeche:


Let's see urs.

What's your ratings?

Semtu:


Lol, don't deceive yourself with this mentality. The things you can do with frameworks and libraries, you can't even dream of doing by coding from the scratch .

LOL, and who told you so? whatever you can do with a framework or a library can be done with vanilla code, yes !
Afterall, the framework and/or library itself was built upon vanilla codes; or did they just appear from heaven?
e.g. react was built upon javascript. therefore, anything that can be done in react can be done with pure js. too
it might take 1 hour in react and 1 week to accomplish the same thing in vanilla js, but the point is, it will still be accomplished no matter what.
or did they integrate php and python into react to make it special? if u look under the hood, it's javascript.
Frameworks only exist to make your iterate faster and prevent you from reinventing the wheel and repeating yourself over and over again
If somebody else has done it, you can use the same piece of code, instead of starting afresh.
Once again let me drum it into you, frameworks are an abstraction of vanilla codes, if u look under the hood, u will see them there staring back at you.
And you can do 100% anything using either a framework or vanilla codes.

cixak95211:


LOL, and who told you so? whatever you can do with a framework or a library can be done with vanilla code, yes !
Afterall, the framework and/or library itself was built upon vanilla codes; or did they just appear from heaven?
e.g. react was built upon javascript. therefore, anything that can be done in react can be done with pure js. too
it might take 1 hour in react and 1 week to accomplish the same thing in vanilla js, but the point is, it will still be accomplished no matter what.
or did they integrate php and python into react to make it special? if u look under the hood, it's javascript.
Frameworks only exist to make your iterate faster and prevent you from reinventing the wheel and repeating yourself over and over again
If somebody else has done it, you can use the same piece of code, instead of starting afresh.
Once again let me drum it into you, frameworks are an abstraction of vanilla codes, if u look under the hood, u will see them there staring back at you.
And you can do 100% anything using either a framework or vanilla codes.

Smiles, I guess you've not worked with complex algorithms. I'm into AI, there are algorithms covering decades of research which has been compiled into simple libraries for use. So unless you are a scientist or seasoned researcher in the AI field, you cannot do shit without such libraries. Now these are the scenarios I was pointing at when i raised the previous work. But if it's mediocre projects you want to be doing for life, then sure, you can continue writting your Vanilla codes.

Libraries are made so we can extend on the methods while building systems. Even libraries nowadays are built on pre-existing libraries. But you are here championing the idea of writing Vanilla codes, you will sleep there.

The truth of it all is that people don't want to be creative writing codes. My question to all advocate of frameworks and libraries is, how can you learn how to use frameworks without first learning how to code? and how can you be able to spot loopholes in some already made tools or software when you see one?

chrisUmendeche:
The truth of it all is that people don't want to be creative writing codes. My question to all advocate of frameworks and libraries is, how can you learn how to use frameworks without first learning how to code? and how can you be able to spot loopholes in some already made tools or software when you see one?

First of all, no one should have any business with frameworks if you can't code. Every programmer must begin by learning language syntaxes and methods, building small projects here and there. Libraries would then come in when you start working on complex projects.

That said, creativity has nothing to do with writing plain codes. Making use of libraries itself is creativity, knowing how to build custom libraries off existing libraries to solve tasks when needed should be your focus. If a library has one or two errors (which most likely won't be the case) or functions you are not satisfied with, they are open source so you can easily edit the base code and do whatever manipulations you want.

Semtu:


Smiles, I guess you've not worked with complex algorithms. I'm into AI, there are algorithms covering decades of research which has been compiled into simple libraries for use. So unless you are a scientist or seasoned researcher in the AI field, you cannot do shit without such libraries. Now these are the scenarios I was pointing at when i raised the previous work. But if it's mediocre projects you want to be doing for life, then sure, you can continue writting your Vanilla codes.

Libraries are made so we can extend on the methods while building systems. Even libraries nowadays are built on pre-existing libraries. But you are here championing the idea of writing Vanilla codes, you will sleep there.

LOL . . . If you cannot read to understand, then it's not my fault . . .
If you like be into complex physics, electromagnetism and mechanics . . the fact still remains the same.
Talking about working on complex algorithms, well, we'll discuss that another day.
Cheers.

kayodez:
http://kayode-lateef.github.io/



What's your ratings?

This is nice. Very nice.
Please remove percentage from your stacks.
Just put the language you are familiar with there don't put the percentage.

cixak95211:


LOL, and who told you so? whatever you can do with a framework or a library can be done with vanilla code, yes !
Afterall, the framework and/or library itself was built upon vanilla codes; or did they just appear from heaven?
e.g. react was built upon javascript. therefore, anything that can be done in react can be done with pure js. too
it might take 1 hour in react and 1 week to accomplish the same thing in vanilla js, but the point is, it will still be accomplished no matter what.
or did they integrate php and python into react to make it special? if u look under the hood, it's javascript.
Frameworks only exist to make your iterate faster and prevent you from reinventing the wheel and repeating yourself over and over again
If somebody else has done it, you can use the same piece of code, instead of starting afresh.
Once again let me drum it into you, frameworks are an abstraction of vanilla codes, if u look under the hood, u will see them there staring back at you.
And you can do 100% anything using either a framework or vanilla codes.

This here is what I thought everyone knew.

Let he who has ears hear what the spirit is telling the church.

Semtu:


First of all, no one should have any business with frameworks if you can't code. Every programmer must begin by learning language syntaxes and methods, building small projects here and there. Libraries would then come in when you start working on complex projects.

That said, creativity has nothing to do with writing plain codes. Making use of libraries itself is creativity, knowing how to build custom libraries off existing libraries to solve tasks when needed should be your focus. If a library has one or two errors (which most likely won't be the case) or functions you are not satisfied with, they are open source so you can easily edit the base code and do whatever manipulations you want.

Writing codes involves creativity, codes are meant to perform a task and anything that performs a task involves critical thinking. You can't just start writing codes for writing sake.

Karleb:


This is nice. Very nice.

Please remove percentage from your stacks.

Just put the language you are familiar with there don't put the percentage.

Thanks jawe, boss! Noted.

but can you give reasons for this your points so other can learn from this. Cheers!

kayodez:


Thanks jawe, boss! Noted.

but can you give reasons for this your points so other can learn from this. Cheers!

For one, it's a false rating because nobody will rate themselves say 10% or 20%. You will like to feel good.
For two, you don't set an exam and mark it yourself. Allow your interviewer to rate you after you must have undergone an interview.
For three, humans are naturally bias and will rate themselves good. Who certified you 70% in javascript? Was it Brendan Eich? What you feel is 70% can be 30% after you have been grilled in an interview.

TLDR: Allow your interviewer rate you. Just say I'm good with Javascript, How good you are is left for your employer to know.

kayodez:


Thanks jawe, boss! Noted.

but can you give reasons for this your points so other can learn from this. Cheers!

How can you know 70 percent of HTML for example. Or 70 percent of Javascript.

No possible. How did you measure it?

What happened to the other 30 percent?

What if that 30 percent you don't know is what your client need. If you are familiar with a language just put it there and remove the percentage.

Besides, that your budget in the form, remove it sharp sharp.

What if I want to pay you #100K for what you'd normally charge #5k for, is it your money?

Karleb:


How can you know 70 percent of HTML for example. Or 70 percent of Javascript.

No possible. How did you measure it?

What happened to the other 30 percent?

What if that 30 percent you don't know is what your client need. If you are familiar with a language just put it there and remove the percentage.

Besides, that your budget in the form, remove it sharp sharp.

What if I want to pay you #100K for what you'd normally charge #5k for, is it your money?

Nice points you listed there...

Your point dey valid.

chrisUmendeche:
The truth of it all is that people don't want to be creative writing codes. My question to all advocate of frameworks and libraries is, how can you learn how to use frameworks without first learning how to code? and how can you be able to spot loopholes in some already made tools or software when you see one?

Agreed

Amazing UI from Taraba youth on their portfolio website

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This amazing. More kudos.

kayodez:
Me wey i be self taught gan... my portfolio better all this no be mouth.

Wetin be all this nah.?

bragging finish u there. empty vessel.