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Gabrielshow24:
All this puerile tactic won't help you 😂😂😂.

You never give any definite answer so the question is not for you from the onset!

QuinQ:

You know full well from reading your Bible that Jesus Christ CAN'T be Michael but JW governing board won't let you. You know full well Michael has been coming to earth without fanfare and has never in any way claimed particularly close relationship with God talkless of saying if you see him you've seen God!

I don't know anything except what i was taught in the Bible.

So God, Jesus, Christianity all i learned due to curiosity so it's what makes sense to me i welcome not dogma.

Jesus can't be God and still be praying for help.

It's as simple as that!

MaxInDHouse:


I don't know anything except what i was taught in the Bible.

So God, Jesus, Christianity all i learned due to curiosity so it's what makes sense to me i welcome not dogma.

Jesus can't be God and still be praying for help.

It's as simple as that!

You mean you don't know or think anything except what JW governing board tells you (fear of disfellowship is the beginning of wisdom!😅)

So, but Jesus can be in the Father and the Father in Him, and both can be in several people simultaneously, and when you see Jesus you've seen the Father. All this is possible - the only thing impossible is Jesus the God praying to God the Fathet! Wehdone

MaxInDHouse:

You people need to learn from Jehovah's Witnesses who don't misquote verses of God's word!

They only twist it out of all proportion into ridiculousness

QuinQ:

You mean you don't know or think anything except what JW governing board tells you (fear of disfellowship is the beginning of wisdom!😅)
So, but Jesus can be in the Father and the Father in Him, and both can be in several people simultaneously, and when you see Jesus you've seen the Father. All this is possible - the only thing impossible is Jesus the God praying to God the Fathet! Wehdone

Guy Jesus in the father vise versa can't make sense if not taught so whatever you are taught that's what you are saying but it's not making sense to me.
Jesus can't be God yet begging someone else for help.
It's as simple as that!

QuinQ:

They only twist it out of all proportion into ridiculousness

Yet they quote perfectly!

MaxInDHouse:
Thank you for the simple answer jàre but you're wrong because God doesn't have a beginning nor end.
So that's not the implication of what Jesus said!

I like this!

Good! God doesn't have beginning nor Ending and that is why Yahweh called Himself "The Beginning and The Ending"

Now, if Jesus Himself said He is THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING.

It means He doesn't have Beginning nor Ending.

The only thing you can't erase/deny is Jesus be The Beginning and The Ending and Jehovah be The Beginning and The Ending

Can you?

Emusan:

I like this!

Good! God doesn't have beginning nor Ending and that is why Yahweh called Himself "The Beginning and The Ending"

Now, if Jesus Himself said He is THE BEGINNING AND THE ENDING.

It means He doesn't have Beginning nor Ending.

The only thing you can't erase/deny is Jesus be The Beginning and The Ending and Jehovah be The Beginning and The Ending

Can you?

Ọmọ what is the meaning?

I know your dogma that's not what i'm asking you!

MaxInDHouse:

Yet they quote perfectly!

More like, they quote deceptively.
Crammiing your head with numbers is meaningless especially as you end up repeating whatever JW governing body says

MaxInDHouse:


Guy Jesus in the father vise versa can't make sense if not taught so whatever you are taught that's what you are saying but it's not making sense to me.
Jesus can't be God yet begging someone else for help.
It's as simple as that!

The spiritual world should not make sense to you because TBH, in the grand scheme of things you know almost NOTHING

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ what is the meaning?

I know your dogma that's not what i'm asking you!

I've told you.

It means Having no Beginning nor Ending.

QuinQ:

More like, they quote deceptively.
Crammiing your head with numbers is meaningless especially as you end up repeating whatever JW governing body says. The spiritual world should not make sense to you because TBH, in the grand scheme of things you know almost NOTHING.

Well Jehovah's Witnesses knows almost nothing but making the most efficient disciples throughout the world.

Ọmọ there are lies that's not hard to figure out jọọ!

Emusan:

I've told you.
It means Having no Beginning nor Ending.

The scriptures didn't say:
"no beginning no end"
Rather
"the beginning and the end"
Try harder Sir!

MaxInDHouse:
The scriptures didn't say:
"no beginning no end"
Rather
"the beginning and the end"
Try harder Sir!

Okay, tell me the meaning!

But I hope your meaning won't be differently applied to Jesus and Jehovah

Emusan:

Okay, tell me the meaning!
But I hope your meaning won't be differently applied to Jesus and Jehovah

Of course only the two were together when God was instructing His Son what to do so it applies to both of them but as for what it means keep what you think you know to yourself or better still teach whoever wish to learn from you just as i also keep whatever i think i know only to those who accept me as their spiritual teacher.

MaxInDHouse:

Well Jehovah's Witnesses knows almost nothing but making the most efficient disciples throughout the world.

Ọmọ there are lies that's not hard to figure out jọọ!

You mean robotic, brainwashed disciples, NOT of Christ, but of a cultish governing body that keeps them perpetually terrified of disfellowship!

What "lies"?

MaxInDHouse:
Of course only the two were together

Which means the TWO TRANSCEND time.

UNCREATED!

when God was instructing His Son what to do

What to do here means CREATION.
Which means BOTH are UNCREATED.

so it applies to both of them

Good!

Now, let's go back to where Yahweh called Himself "The Beginning and The Ending" to see what leads to that statement.

Are you ready?

but as for what it means keep what you think you know to yourself or better still teach whoever wish to learn from you just as i also keep whatever i think i know only to those who accept me as their spiritual teacher.

You don't need to tell me.

Back to the main POV.
Reason why Yahweh is "The Beginning and The Ending."

QuinQ:

You mean robotic, brainwashed disciples, NOT of Christ, but of a cultish governing body that keeps them perpetually terrified of disfellowship!
What "lies"?

Whatever you think about Jehovah's Witnesses just apply it to first century disciples of Christ because that exactly what people think about them.

They called them robotic, brainwashed, demonic, cultists but then only this group is actively making real disciples!

Emusan:

Which means the TWO TRANSCEND time.
UNCREATED!
What to do here means CREATION.
Which means BOTH are UNCREATED.
Good!
Now, let's go back to where Yahweh called Himself "The Beginning and The Ending" to see what leads to that statement.
Are you ready?
You don't need to tell me.
Back to the main POV.
Reason why Yahweh is "The Beginning and The Ending."

Ọmọ keep whatever you think you know for whoever wants to learn from you just as i also do for my Bible students.

MaxInDHouse:
Ọmọ keep whatever you think you know for whoever wants to learn from you just as i also do for my Bible students.

Ọrọ tí pesi jẹ

MaxInDHouse:

Whatever you think about Jehovah's Witnesses just apply it to first century disciples of Christ because that exactly what people think about them.

They called them robotic, brainwashed, demonic, cultists but then only this group is actively making real disciples!

You must be kidding. They were consumed with the SPIRIT of the LIVING Christ. The same Christ JW hardly acknowledge is alive. Be honest, is there any movement of Christ in JW? Is it not all about following the governing board, terrified of disfellowship??

Emusan:

Ọrọ tí pesi jẹ

Ó paá yán yán! Proverbs 26:4

QuinQ:

You must be kidding. They were consumed with the SPIRIT of the LIVING Christ. The same Christ JW hardly acknowledge is alive. Be honest, is there any movement of Christ in JW? Is it not all about following the governing board, terrified of disfellowship??

What do you think?
The one and only organization noticed globally for FINE WORKS:

APOPTOSIS:

JEHOVAH'S WITNESS is operating at a different level.
They have been steadfast, resolute and committed.
I hold no grudge against them. They downplay commercialization of churches.
They entertain persecutions a lot, in fact more than several Christian bodies.
Seems in their church everyone is at same level irrespective of your degree, financial acquaintance and s.
And it seems they obey the Bible the most:
-They hardly disturb neighbors during prayers.
-They frown at intimidation and flamboyant lifestyles.
-They ensure financial gifts are covered and never displeased at whatever they recieve.
-Their would make good politicians but they frown at politics
I respect them. I judge based on actions and not what I'm told.

BafanaBafana:
Quite true. JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are actually one of the few denominations who are still following Christ. Most churches now are headed by motivational speakers who only use the name of Jesus to preach other things. The goal is to attract to their church and the will bring the money.
Shikena!

Oye0404:

well said, once had a witness DAT comes around for years, truth is,dis guys are so caring and accommodating. lots if misconceptions about dem..

XXLDICK:

They remain the most peaceful Christian denomination.
They do not pay tithes. They are the only Christian denomination yet to be commercialized. They are my favourite.
Cons:
They do not recite the national anthem.
They do not participate in elections.
They do not accept blood transfusion.

freethinker01:
Tho I don't like their disturbance, I'd have to say they're far better than all their Christian tithe whoring counterparts.

boss1310:
The way they are hated makes me to think sometimes they might be the true Christians but I might be wrong.

Deway52:
I am convinced that JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES are the real religion, they do everything in line with the bible.
Na small time remain for me now, I don enter. If everybody in the world is a jw the world would be a better place.

Love800:
I would love to be a JEHOVAH'S WITNESS, because of their gentle life. Relaxed service and programs(not those stressful and loud types), and serenity of their church yard. Infact, its this serenity of their abode that blows my mind!

But the thing that worries me, is their misled teachings. How can you say that we are not going to die, but remain on earth and unite with our love ones and live happily together forever!

Jesus doesn't need to come down and tell me this is his group nah!

QuinQ:


You must be kidding. They were consumed with the SPIRIT of the LIVING Christ. The same Christ JW hardly acknowledge is alive. Be honest, is there any movement of Christ in JW? Is it not all about following the governing board, terrified of disfellowship??

Why UNA dey lie lie upandan?

Nairaland records can not forget JW's reference to 1 Peter 3:18, numerous times.

MaxInDHouse:


Ọmọ keep whatever you think you know for whoever wants to learn from you just as i also do for my Bible students.

Person wey no know the difference between nature and status in his Bible,nah wetin him wan teach others?

QuinQ:


They only twist it out of all proportion into ridiculousness

Daniel 12:2 = John 5:28-29, no be rocket science
Jesus Christ is doing the work of archangel Michael, Oga REMOVE Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29.

Daniel 12:2
"And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt. "

John 5:28-29
Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice / and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment"

Proverbs 14:7 is very true,
Scoffers don't want knowledge.
They prefer WAILING.

QuinQ:


Then you'll be lying to yourself. "Michael" is shorter answer than "Son of the Living God", which was the CORRECT answer Peter gave when Jesus asked them directly whom they thought he was. No one ever mentioned Michael anywhere in their conversations - yet that's what Jesus was! Forget governing board and think about it yourself. Also see below

Oga,Go and study your Bible & stop deceiving yourself.
Was every revelation in your Bible given to Peter?
NO.
Which apostle of Christ outlived his peers?
John the apostle outlived other apostles.



John the apostle @ Revelation 12:7-9 revealed the identity of the serpent of Genesis 3:15 as well as the identity of the Seed who defeated the serpent of Genesis 3:15

@ Daniel 12:1-2, Did Daniel the prophet know that archangel Michael will raise the dead?
Yes.

John 5:28-29 Jesus revealed he is doing the work of archangel Michael to raise the dead, 1 Thessalonians 4:16.

MaxInDHouse:


What do you think?
The one and only organization noticed globally for FINE WORKS:

Jesus doesn't need to come down and tell me this is his group nah!

You keep reposting these same words when you know the internet is full of negatives about JW.
Don't anger someone into dumping a ton of those here. See just a few below

Janosky:

Daniel 12:2 = John 5:28-29, no be rocket science
Jesus Christ is doing the work of archangel Michael, Oga REMOVE Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29.

Daniel 12:2
"And many who sleep in the dust of the earth will awake, some to everlasting life, but others to shame and everlasting contempt. "

John 5:28-29
Do not be amazed at this, for the hour is coming when all who are in their graves will hear His voice / and come out—those who have done good to the resurrection of life, and those who have done evil to the resurrection of judgment"

Proverbs 14:7 is very true,
Scoffers don't want knowledge.
They prefer WAILING.

I told you to THINK for yourself just this once. If you did you'd KNOW Christ can be neither Moses nor Angel Michael

Ruke1991:


Heb 1:6 And again, when he bringeth in the firstbegotten into the world, he saith, And let all the angels of God worship him

Angels don't worship angels. Angels worship God.
Here is the father commanding angels to worship Jesus. The word worship used here is the original greek word for worship - not obeisance but real worship.

Any reasonable JW member by reading this verse will realize their elders lied when they said Jesus is not God or cannot be worshipped. They also lied when they said Jesus is angel Michael. God cannot ask Angels to worship a fellow Angel. You forget say satan fall because he wanted his own throne so he can be worshipped? Jesus belonged to the Godhead, that's why angels are commanded to worship him

** 1
John 12:49-50 , will Jesus speak, teach you what his Father did not command?
Jesus won't even try it.

**2
@ Revelation 19:10 & Matthew 4:10, did Jesus teach your Trinitarian rendition of Hebrew 1:6?
NO.

The Catholic Church who brought Trinity into the world disagree with your claim.

God said :"Let All the angels Pay homage to Jesus".
Hebrew 1:6, Catholic Church New Jerusalem Bible.
The original meaning of proskuneo is exemplified by the screenshots.
Kneeling, paying homage or prostrate before a Senior man or monarch.

Godhead is NOT in any Greek manuscript of the Bible.
Trinitarians invented it.

QuinQ:


You keep reposting these same words when you know the internet is full of negatives about JW.
Don't anger someone into dumping a ton of those here. See just a few below



I told you to THINK for yourself just this once. If you did you'd KNOW Christ can be neither Moses nor Angel Michael

The holy scriptures THINK for genuine believers .
John 12:49-50, did Jesus Christ think for himself?
Therefore,Daniel 12:1-2 =John 5:28-29, Jesus Christ is doing the work of archangel Michael because he is.


. Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29 spoken by Jesus,is the greatest evidence that Jesus Christ is archangel Michael.
Your Trinitarian mentors believed it too.

Oga, do you have evidence that Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28-29 is missing in your Bible?

QuinQ:


God gave YOU a brain. Use it! He didn't give you Trinitarians or JW governing body. He gave you a brain! Use it for a change! Forget about Trinitarians and governing boards and THINK for a change! Think FOR YOURSELF for a change!
(I know I'm wasting my time)😅



Nope. When you take EVERYTHING together you'd be very SURE that's not what it means. It's not just that Jesus Himself claimed to be God, OT said God was coming to visit us, Jews tried to stone Jesus for claiming to be God, Jesus was called the Alpha and Omega, no one ever said that once you've seen Peter you've seen Jesus, or that once you’ve Paul you've seen Peter, no one ever tried to stone Peter for claiming to be Jesus, etc. When you take all these together it becomes very clear what was meant!

You claim to be a believer of the holy Bible but you don't want Daniel 12:1-2 & John 5:28-29.to THINK for you.
You claim to follow Jesus.
John 12:49-50, did Jesus Christ think for himself?

Compare John 5:18 & John 19:6-7, you will observe that the Jews were LYING against Jesus @John 5:18.

Father meaning Senior.
@ John 5:18,Does calling God Father (SENIOR) mean what the Jews claimed?
Oga use your brain nah.