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MaxInDHouse:

"In the beginning" says God's word {John 1:1} that shows someone has a beginning definitely not the Almighty God!

The WAS is in the imperfect tense. By using the imperfect tense, John is conveying that the Word's existence was not a fleeting moment or a point in time with a beginning. Instead, it suggests a continuous existence in the past, before the creation event described in Genesis 1:1 (which is echoed by "In the beginning...".

Just make research.

QuinQ:

Messengers and workers are not divine no matter how lofty their assignments. what Satan said to Jesus in Mathew 4:6. "He will order his angels concerning you..." Angels are workers

Guy no dey twist am angels are divine!

QuinQ:

Here's what Jesus HIMSELF said:
"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again."
You can then go ahead to say He was lying

This is what his disciples said:

During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7

Did they lied that Jesus BEGGED God with outcries and tears to save him from death?

Sand2022:

The WAS is in the imperfect tense. By using the imperfect tense, John is conveying that the Word's existence was not a fleeting moment or a point in time with a beginning. Instead, it suggests a continuous existence in the past, before the creation event described in Genesis 1:1 (which is echoed by "In the beginning...".
Just make research.

The WAS refers to the time he walked the earth just like Moses who served as God for a period of time.

MaxInDHouse:


The WAS refers to the time he walked the earth just like Moses who served as God for a period of time.

Even if we give you a benefit of a doubt🤨, you can't dismiss his statement of "I am". He asserted that before Abraham was, "I am"! What other clarification do you want?

MaxInDHouse:

This is what his disciples said:

During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7

Did they lied that Jesus BEGGED God with outcries and tears to save him from death?

That's the principle ordained for men!🤨 Sha we now call Jesus incapable because he was subject to gravity😁? Your point is totally irrelevant as long as you are flesh and blood, you are subject to certain principles.

Gabrielshow24:
Even if we give you a benefit of a doubt🤨, you can't dismiss his statement of "I am". He asserted that before Abraham was, "I am"! What other clarification do you want?

"I existed before Abraham"

That's what he meant but since you guys want to turn it upside down i will stick to the part that says God sent him which is clear enough at least someone sent him!

Gabrielshow24:
That's the principle ordained for men!🤨 Sha we now call Jesus incapable because he was subject to gravity😁? Your point is totally irrelevant as long as you are flesh and blood, you are subject to certain principles.

Ọmọ Jesus is God's Son that's what the scriptures say!

MaxInDHouse:

Ọmọ Jesus is God's Son that's what the scriptures say!

'You are my God and Lord🤔' also says the scriptures! You can't cherry-pick one aspect and negate others!

He is God's son and also has the 'fullness of God'—🤨I wonder if I had the fullness of Messi, I would have won the same number of Ballon d'ors🤔 yet someone has the fullness of God🤨 and some say he is not God?

Is 1kg not the same irrespective of the substance within? Let us know Wise elder, how your shambolic explanation came to be!

MaxInDHouse:

"I existed before Abraham"

That's what he meant but since you guys want to turn it upside down i will stick to the part that says God sent him which is clear enough at least someone sent him!

The same way God sends his word🤨! 'cause he is the Word of God! The Word carries the fullness of God's Power and Authority!

Gabrielshow24:

'You are my God and Lord🤔' also says the scriptures! You can't cherry-pick one aspect and negate others!

Please where is the highlighted written or spoken about Jesus?

Gabrielshow24:
The same way God sends his word🤨! 'cause he is the Word of God! The Word carries the fullness of God's Power and Authority!

The Word means God's Spokesman simple!

MaxInDHouse:

The Word means God's Spokesman simple!

You can spin it however you like, your oversimplification won't change its context!

He is the eternal word of God!

MaxInDHouse:


Please where is the highlighted written or spoken about Jesus?

It's the remark of Thomas to Jesus [John 20:28]. You can't call someone My Lord and My God if they are not your Lord and God🤨

Gabrielshow24:
You can spin it however you like, your oversimplification won't change its context! He is the eternal word of God!

No wahala nah!
I'm talking about how i understand what i read and you too are talking about what you understand it's not compulsory we agree nah!

This is some argument going on..

This is how you know a lie...a lie so captivating. It is called a "go spel"....

They really don't want to accept the fact that Jesus is "made in Rome" The Roman own the patent right to Jesus. So if you want to believe...go ask them.

Gabrielshow24:
It's the remark of Thomas to Jesus [John 20:28]. You can't call someone My Lord and My God if they are not your Lord and God🤨

I have said that several times at the sight of amazement so that's what happened to Thomas he wasn't calling Jesus his God!

MaxInDHouse:

No wahala nah!
I'm talking about how i understand what i read and you too are talking about what you understand it's not compulsory we agree nah!

Exactly😁 but all those diffident rhetorics doesn't work on me🕵️!

If you want to convince me then it must be beyond reasonable doubt🤨 so far, just one razor destroys your allusions 🕵️

MaxInDHouse:

I have said that several times at the sight of amazement so that's what happened to Thomas he wasn't calling Jesus his God!

🤣🤣🤣Well that's one coy narrative but it falls flat because Jews do not use God's name as exclamations🤨!

ELDER, tell me more lies🕵️!

Gabrielshow24:

If you want to convince me

I'm not here to convince you, we know our type and our type only seek what is bearing good fruit {Matthew 7:16-18} even when it's not clear to them they stick to what is producing fine works {1Thessalonians 5:21} instead of arguing aimlessly! Titus 3:9

So my friend you are not our type there's no need worrying yourself over what we teach among ourselves!

Gabrielshow24:
🤣🤣🤣Well that's one coy narrative but it falls flat because Jews do not use God's name as exclamations🤨!
ELDER, tell me more lies🕵️!

Lord and God both are titles not God's divine name in Hebrew!

Truthseeker10:

So can we say that Jesus resurrected himself?

Exactly!

MaxInDHouse:

Guy no dey twist am angels are divine!

By divine here, we mean "of same substance as God". Angels were not. Jesus is.

MaxInDHouse:

This is what his disciples said:

During his life on earth, Christ offered up supplications and also petitions, with strong outcries and tears, to the One who was able to save him out of death, and he was favorably heard for his godly fear. Hebrews 5:7

Did they lied that Jesus BEGGED God with outcries and tears to save him from death?

So what we have is Jesus (who obviously knows 100%) saying declaratively that he was laying down his life and would also take it up. Then we have his disciples, who, like all humans, can't know the true nature of God (you can actually say they know almost nothing)

QuinQ:

Exactly!
By divine here, we mean "of same substance as God". Angels were not. Jesus is. So what we have is Jesus (who obviously knows 100%) saying declaratively that he was lying down his life and would also take it up. Then we have his disciples (who, like all human, can't know the true nature of God - you can actually say they know almost nothing)

Whatever Jesus is angels are same only God has no duplicate and regarding the knowledge of death and resurrection Jesus died and was raised by God that's what his disciples preached and taught in the Bible!

MaxInDHouse:

Whatever Jesus is angels are same only God has no duplicate and regarding the knowledge of death and resurrection Jesus died and was raised by God that's what his disciples preached and taught in the Bible!

So we then conclude that Jesus was lying, and His disciples (who know almost nothing - to the extent of competing who would sit on his right hand) were right. Okay o

MaxInDHouse:

Whatever Jesus is angels are same only God has no duplicate and regarding the knowledge of death and resurrection Jesus died and was raised by God that's what his disciples preached and taught in the Bible!

My friend it is beyond our (and the disciples') capacity to understand!! He was raised by the Father but he and the Father are one thus there's no difference between "raised himself" and "raised by the Father"!

QuinQ:

So we then conclude that Jesus was lying, and His disciples (who know almost nothing - to the extent of competing who would sit on his right hand) were right. Okay o

Have it anyhow you wish.

Jesus told us that his father is GOOD this means the father is faithful always so when Jesus took the form of a lesser being by becoming human it's due to what happened in the court of heaven where God declared among the angels:

"Who will go for us?" Isaiah 6:8

That's when Archangel Michael stood up {Daniel 12:1} among all the heavenly hosts and said "here i am send me" {Isaiah 6:8} Jehovah love His firstborn son so much yet he released him for the mission.

So when Jesus talked about laying down his life and taking it back again he was referring to what he did before leaving heaven because from that moment his memories was wiped out and he was turned into an embryo in the womb of Mary.
All his memories was restored the very day he got baptized that's why he stayed 40 days and 40 nights receiving instructions on how his journey will be.

These are the things he summed up and say he laid down his life for mankind the same creatures he loved so much out of all the things God used him to make! Proverbs 8:31

But as for his life it's in the hands of God whom he surrendered to at death! Luke 23:46

QuinQ:

My friend it is beyond our (and the disciples') capacity to understand!! He was raised by the Father but he and the Father are one thus there's no difference between "raised himself" and "raised by the Father"!

The difference is clear!

Jesus BEGGED God who has the power to raise him from death! Hebrews 5:7

QuinQ:


Exactly!



By divine here, we mean "of same substance as God". Angels were not. Jesus is.



So what we have is Jesus (who obviously knows 100%) saying declaratively that he was laying down his life and would also take it up. Then we have his disciples, who, like all humans, can't know the true nature of God (you can actually say they know almost nothing)

😂😂😂kindly show me where the bible says that christ resurrected himself.

Truthseeker10:

😂😂😂kindly show me where the bible says that christ resurrected himself.

John 10:18

MaxInDHouse:


Have it anyhow you wish.

Jesus told us that his father is GOOD this means the father is faithful always so when Jesus took the form of a lesser being by becoming human it's due to what happened in the court of heaven where God declared among the angels:

"Who will go for us?" Isaiah 6:8

That's when Archangel Michael stood up {Daniel 12:1} among all the heavenly hosts and said "here i am send me" {Isaiah 6:8} Jehovah love His firstborn son so much yet he released him for the mission.

So when Jesus talked about laying down his life and taking it back again he was referring to what he did before leaving heaven because from that moment his memories was wiped out and he was turned into an embryo in the womb of Mary.
All his memories was restored the very day he got baptized that's why he stayed 40 days and 40 nights receiving instructions on how his journey will be.

These are the things he summed up and say he laid down his life for mankind the same creatures he loved so much out of all the things God used him to make! Proverbs 8:31

But as for his life it's in the hands of God whom he surrendered to at death! Luke 23:46

You are saying what you don't know and lack the capacity to know - just as the disciples could never have known what they were asking for when they were asking to sit at Jesus' right hand.

Note the tense in John 10:18. He was talking of something that is yet to happen not choice he already made.

As for angel Michael, I actually googled it. See below

QuinQ:


John 10:18



You are saying what you don't know and lack the capacity to know - just as the disciples could never have known what they were asking for when they were asking to sit at Jesus' right hand.

Note the tense in John 10:10. He was talking of something that is yet to happen not choice he already made.

As for angel Michael, I actually googled it. See below

Who commanded Jesus to die in John 10:18?

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

MaxInDHouse:

Guy no dey twist am angels are divine!

Is the Father also Divine?

Truthseeker10:

Who commanded Jesus to die in John 10:18?

Explain luke 23:46 and Acts 2:32, 33.

Here are His EXACT words (let's limit it at words from Jesus Himself since His disciples can't know better than Him):
"NO ONE takes my life from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again."

Let's study that and see if there is any indication in that statement that He lacked the capacity to resurrect Himself