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Janosky:



Your opinion is unscriptural.
Oga, REMOVE Revelation 19:13-16 ,Matthew 25;31 &
1 Thessalonians 4:16 from your Bible nau.


When your fellow Trinitarians have written extensively on Joshua 5:13-14 that Jesus Christ is the angel Commanding the Army of Yahweh his Father.

Was Jesus making peace when he overturned the tables of traders in his Father's temple?

Your fellow Trinitarians in the screenshot don't buy into your narrative.
The same ghost deity taught them Jesus is archangel Michael.

If only you ended up making sense🤧. The angel of the lord is simply "divine messenger", how you lots with "divine foolishness" concerted that "Jesus is Michael" is really burdensome? Such logical leaps would cause many tree-leaping monkeys to die of shock! 👀

Also, we have been through this over and over again. Each time you fail to answer basic questions🤨, any one that sees this will think you are onto something but upon deeper analysis you end up "equating the spirit of trees to angels"🤨— that's saying something 😅. If you don't have a handle on the definition of "angel"🤨 then it becomes rather obvious how such diabolical misrepresentations are the order of the day in your congregation! My bad, organization 😔!

As a reminder, kindly tell all if Jehovah can do something of his own will by himself👀? We will sincerely like to hear from the 'gleeful' elder🤨.

QuinQ:


Suddenly you no longer pay attention to tense used. HE SAID "I AM" NOT "I WAS"!!! Same "I am" God told Moses was His name. Same great "I Am"!

No Sir.
Both the Greek Septuagint of Exodus 3:14 & the Masoretic Text reads "I will be"/ asher ehyeh asher.
To claim that Greek "I Am" is the same as Hebrew "I will be", is very ridiculous & baseless.

Besides, it amounts to claiming that "Olaniyi" in Yoruba meaning the same thing as "Olaniyi " in Igbo.
The meaning is very different like North from South.

Gabrielshow24:

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If only you ended up making sense🤧. The angel of the lord is simply "divine messenger", how you lots with "divine foolishness" concerted that "Jesus is Michael" is really burdensome? Such logical leaps would cause many tree-leaping monkeys to die of shock! 👀


2.
Also, we have been through this over and over again. Each time you fail to answer basic questions🤨, any one that sees this will think you are onto something but upon deeper analysis you end up "equating the spirit of trees to angels"🤨— that's saying something 😅. If you don't have a handle on the definition of "angel"🤨 then it becomes rather obvious how such diabolical misrepresentations are the order of the day in your congregation! My bad, organization 😔!

3.
As a reminder, kindly tell all if Jehovah can do something of his own will by himself👀? We will sincerely like to hear from the 'gleeful' elder🤨.

1.
You ,Gabrielshow24, are entitled to your rants.
Joshua 5:13-14 & numerous Bible commentaries on both verses confirmed the fact that Jesus Christ is an angel Commanding his Father's army.
Your rants changes NOTHING.


2.
Gabrielshow24 is fond of making assumptions & FALSE claims he has no evidence to ever prove.

3.
Gabrielshow24,Kindly provide evidence that Isaiah 6:8 & Revelation 1:1 is missing from your Bible.
In both verses did God Almighty "do something of His own Will by Himself?
Pls allow your brain to function.

Emusan:


So Jesus whom Jehovah Himself created and used to create ALL OTHER THINGS including Moses himself is also like Moses

Always try to pick your brain from your hall before coming out.

If you sure say your brain dey function, REMOVE Acts 3:19-23 from your Bible.

QuinQ:


English don hard our boy o.
Addressing somebody is not same as talking about the person.
Peter addressed Jesus as "Son of the living God"
If he were addressing Moses he'd have said "You are servant of the living God"
Besides, this was something as ed by someone, then ed along person to person until it reached the person decades later who finally wrote it down, then it was severally translated and modified. Error could have crept in at any moment. That's why you can't cherrypick the Bible. It has to be taken as a whole













Funny thing is, you write all this yet you accept that Jesus is THE Son of God and was with God b4 creation, YET you still try to equate Him with Moses and others!

Peter the apostle equated Jesus with Moses.
Acts 3:19-23 is the evidence Peter the apostle confirmed.
You pretend as if Acts 3:19-23 is missing from your Bible.

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Janosky:

Peter the apostle equated Jesus with Moses.
Acts 3:19-23 is the evidence Peter the apostle confirmed.
You pretend as if Acts 3:19-23 is missing from your Bible. .

My brother i tire o.

As if nah me tok am o!

Ban again only one day!

Now Nairaland is effective as it ought to be no more abusive speeches all in the name of worshiper of Bible God!

Janosky:


1.
You ,Gabrielshow24, are entitled to your rants.
Joshua 5:13-14 & numerous Bible commentaries on both verses confirmed the fact that Jesus Christ is an angel Commanding his Father's army.
Your rants changes NOTHING.


2.
Gabrielshow24 is fond of making assumptions & FALSE claims he has no evidence to ever prove.

3.
Gabrielshow24,Kindly provide evidence that Isaiah 6:8 & Revelation 1:1 is missing from your Bible.
In both verses did God Almighty "do something of His own Will by Himself?
Pls allow your brain to function.

You should provide one bible verse that says, "Jesus is angel" or more specifically, "Jesus is angel Michael" as JW alleges. Jehovah Witnesses are very dogmatic followers of the interpretation of their elders not scripture followers. How dare you affirm jesus is angel Michael based on your elders commentary and not based on scripture

Ruke1991:

You should provide one bible verse that says, "Jesus is angel" or more specifically, "Jesus is angel Michael" as JW alleges. Jehovah Witnesses are very dogmatic followers of the interpretation of their elders not scripture followers. How dare you affirm jesus is angel Michael based on your elders commentary and not based on scripture

JWs teaches that only among ourselves no JW will tell you that if you don't ask us so just as Jesus told his disciples some things that should be kept among them as SACRED SECRETS JWs hold onto the teaching that Jesus is Archangel Michael it's proven by comparing scriptures and what is happening not WRITTEN word for word!

Janosky:

Peter the apostle equated Jesus with Moses.
Acts 3:19-23 is the evidence Peter the apostle confirmed.
You pretend as if Acts 3:19-23 is missing from your Bible.

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Allow bible to speak for itself. How dare you teach your feelings. Bible says Jesus is the creator of the world and the brightness of the glory and express image of the father. That jesus is the one who purges you of your sin.

Can moses purge your sin? Or is moses the creator of the world? Even angel Michael is a creature of God not the creator. So how do they compare to jesus?

Jesus said before Abraham I am. How does that compare to moses. Was moses born before Abraham? Moses was a murderer. Jesus was a sinless. How do you compare both?

whom He has appointed heir of all things, through whom also He made the worlds; who being the brightness of His glory and the express image of His person, and upholding all things by the word of His power, when He had by Himself purged our sins, sat down at the right hand of the Majesty on high” (Hebrews 1:1-3).

The problem with you JW people is that you cannot reason outside your organisations dogma. No matter how clear the truth is, you are too afraid to it your elders are wrong

Your elders also lack understanding of the use of metaphors. The word "LIKE" is a metaphor. It doesn't mean that jesus=moses. It compares jesus to moses in the sense that jesus is a deliverer. He delivers us from being slave to satan/sin while moses was a deliverer who delivered Israelites from being slave to pharoah. Also, both wrought mighty miracles which only Elisha came a distant close, but Elisha was not a deliverer. That's why the metaphor was used. Jesus however said he is not Elijah or the prophet moses. The Jehovah's witnesses elders are reasoning like the Jewish elders of Jesus days who expected a carbon copy of Elijah and moses. Unknown to them that the messiah was to save people from sin - not a fighting Messiah that will lead wars and restore again the physical kingdom of Israel

There are two metaphors in literature. They are LIKE and AS. They are for comparison. Jesus equally was compared with Jonah in the fish belly using "AS". Jesus was also compared with the serpent lifted up by moses in the wilderness using "AS". Using JW logic, that will mean Jesus=serpent=Jonah=Michael. This is blasphemous

I recommend the kingdom hall organisation goes back to school and study literature particularly, the figures of speech. To understand how "like" and "as" are used in sentences to make expressions and grasp the meaning of the figures of expression

Ruke1991:


Allow jesus to speak for himself. How dare you spea for jesus. Jesus said in the verse below that he is neither Elijah nor any of those prophets the Jews (and Jehovah's witnesses today) expected

John 1:21
And they asked him, What then? Art thou Elias? And he saith, I am not. Art thou that prophet? And he answered, No

The problem with you JW people is that you cannot reason outside your organisations dogma. No matter how clear the truth is, you are too afraid to it your elders are wrong

Your elders also lack understanding of the use of metaphors. The word "LIKE" is a metaphor. It doesn't mean that jesus=moses. It compares jesus to moses in the sense that jesus is a deliverer. He delivers us from being slave to satan/sin while moses was a deliverer who delivered Israelites from being slave to pharoah. Also, bought wrought mighty miracles which only Elisha came a distant close, but Elisha was not a deliverer. That's why the metaphor was used. Jesus however said he is not Elijah or the prophet moses. The Jehovah's witnesses elders are reasoning like the Jewish elders of Jesus days who expected a carbon copy of Elijah and moses. Unknown to them that the messiah was to save people from sin - not a fighting Messiah that will lead wars and restore again the physical kingdom of Israel

Calm down when dealing with Jehovah's Witnesses so you don't start fighting a wrong course.

It's not Jesus that made the statement you quoted rather it's John the baptist!

Janosky:
If you sure say your brain dey function, REMOVE Acts 3:19-23 from your Bible.

Says the person who believed that Jehovah created ONLY JESUS directly and also believes that the same Jesus is LIKE Moses

MaxInDHouse:


JWs teaches that only among ourselves no JW will tell you that if you don't ask us so just as Jesus told his disciples some things that should be kept among them as SACRED SECRETS JWs hold onto the teaching that Jesus is Archangel Michael it's proven by comparing scriptures and what is happening not WRITTEN word for word!

Anything that cannot be seen from scriptural ages is what we call doctrine of men

Just like deeperlife condemning earrings and alcohol and Jehovah's witnesses fighting to justify both alleging no direct Bible verses condemn them. You see the hypocrisy of the elders?

Deeperlife infers from biblical incidence of Jacob hiding his wives earrings when going to God's presence - that earrings is sin and they believe it is a sacred revelation not meant for babes like you. On the other hand your elders infer from the appearance of an unnamed angel to Joshua - that jesus is the angel and his name must be Michael. Therefore, Jesus (God)=moses(man)=angel Michael(angel). You believe it is a sacred revelation meant only for mature JW believers not for unbelievers/non-JW people.

That's how you identify a human tradition in any religious body. It cannot face scriptural scrutiny from other scripturally sound believers outside that brainwashed group. The moment they are no longer able to scripturally explain the organisations error, they use the "sacred card". It becomes sacred knowledge only reserved for the mature believers. it's actually an error

MaxInDHouse:
So you're not ready better i ignore you!

I've answered your question.

And it's evident that you're the one dodging my questions.

So, who is not ready between you and me?

Ruke1991:

Anything that cannot be seen from scriptural ages is what we call doctrine of men.

Naaaaaaaaah you are wrong!

According to Jesus the doctrine of men is anything that fails to yield positive result after being taught! Matthew 7:16-18

For instance thousands of different religions claim they believe in the Trinity, you and i know that the word Trinity has not been found anywhere in the scriptures, again many people claim that Jesus is Almighty God and that is nowhere found in the scripture as well.

So these are DOCTRINES which can't be found word for word in the Bible but still people believe it simply because it has been repeated in their hears for centuries.

What Jesus said is allow all these doctrines to grow together and watch out for their FRUITS it's their fruits that will help you know whether they are from God or Satan. Matthew 7:16-18


Jesus promised his Apostles that God's Holy Spirit will teach them other sacred secrets they need to know {John 16:12-13} so you can't see these things in the Bible word for word but then how do you if it's from God's Holy Spirit?

Well the result will show! Matthew 5:14-16

Janosky:


No Sir.
Both the Greek Septuagint of Exodus 3:14 & the Masoretic Text reads "I will be"/ asher ehyeh asher.
To claim that Greek "I Am" is the same as Hebrew "I will be", is very ridiculous & baseless.

Besides, it amounts to claiming that "Olaniyi" in Yoruba meaning the same thing as "Olaniyi " in Igbo.
The meaning is very different like North from South.

You at least concede that He did say "I am". What sort of grammar is "Before Abraham, I am"??
If "I am" doesn't imply divinity why did JW's NWT version of the Bible change it to "I have been"? There are about 65 versions of the Bible - it is the only one that doesn't have "I am"😅😅😅

Besides, you (like maxindhouse) miss my point that the bible is to be taken as a whole. The same person also said "Once you've seen me you've seen the Father", "The Father is in me, and I in the Father", and such. Add all that to the fact the Jews who heard Him directly said he was claiming to be God and a clear picture starts to emerge!

Janosky:

Peter the apostle equated Jesus with Moses.
Acts 3:19-23 is the evidence Peter the apostle confirmed.
You pretend as if Acts 3:19-23 is missing from your Bible.

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See the result of capital BRAINWASHING!! JW told you Jesus was like Moses. But you have your own thinking faculty na. And you can see for yourself no two people can be more different. I mean, Moses actually started life by murdering an Egyptian in cold blood. Can you under any circumstances imagine Christ doing such??

QuinQ:



You at least concede that He did say "I am". What sort of grammar is "Before Abraham, I am"??
If "I am" doesn't imply divinity why did JW's NWT version of the Bible change it to "I have been"? There are about 65 versions of the Bible - it is the only one that doesn't have "I am"😅😅😅

Besides, you (like maxindhouse) miss my point that the bible is to be taken as a whole. The same person also said "Once you've seen me you've seen the Father", "The Father is in me, and I in the Father", and such. Add all that to the fact the Jews who heard Him directly said he was claiming to be God and a clear picture starts to emerge!



See the result of capital BRAINWASHING!! JW told you Jesus was like Moses. But you have your own thinking faculty na. And you can see for yourself no two people can be more different. I mean, Moses actually started life by murdering an Egyptian in cold blood. Can you under any circumstances imagine Christ doing such??

What is the meaning of "I Am"?

Explain the bolded below in John 17:21.

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Truthseeker10:

What is the meaning of "I Am"?

Explain the bolded below in John 17:21.

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Once again, the maxindhouse big flaw - cherrypicking! TAKE EVERYTHING TOGETHER!!!! Don’t isolate verses here and there. Jesus said many, MANY, words that never made it into the Bible! The ones that made it were ed on by word of mouth, person to person, till decades later when someone finally wrote them down!! Add to that translations and manipulations and you can be sure you should NEVER cherrypick the bible!!
Those who saw and heard him DIRECTLY and heard many words you know nothing about, said He was claiming to be God!!!

QuinQ:


Once again, the maxindhouse big flaw - cherrypicking! TAKE EVERYTHING TOGETHER!!!! Don’t isolate verses here and there. Jesus said many, MANY, words that never made it into the Bible! The ones that made it were ed on by word of mouth, person to person, till decades later when someone finally wrote them down!! Add to that translations and manipulations and you can be sure you should NEVER cherrypick the bible!!
Those who saw and heard him DIRECTLY and heard many words you know nothing about, said He was claiming to be God!!!

What is the meaning of "I Am"?

Explain the bolded below in John 17:21.

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

QuinQ:

Once again, the maxindhouse big flaw - cherrypicking!

Mr I AM, if the Bible should be taken as a whole then there is need to consider lot of things before forming an opinion on scriptures.

Jesus is not God that's why he prayed and begged God to save him it's as simple as that!

MaxInDHouse:


Mr I AM, if the Bible should be taken as a whole then there is need to consider lot of things before forming an opinion on scriptures.

Jesus is not God that's why he prayed and begged God to save him it's as simple as that!

Fine, but first it that, everything taken together, He was implying He was divine! You can then go ahead to say He was lying.
Also it he was not like Moses and others!

Truthseeker10:

What is the meaning of "I Am"?

Explain the bolded below in John 17:21.

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Mr man, even people who take direct dictatons while someone is talking still get it wrong. Don't isolate biblical verses!

QuinQ:

Fine, but first it that, everything taken together, He was implying He was divine! You can then go ahead to say He was lying. Also it he was not like Moses and others!

What do you mean by the word "divine"?

Oxford Dictionary:

Of or pertaining to a god.
Synonyms: deific, godlike, godly

QuinQ:


Fine, but first it that, everything taken together, He was implying He was divine! You can then go ahead to say He was lying.
Also it he was not like Moses and others!



Mr man, even people who take direct dictatons while someone is talking still get it wrong. Don't isolate biblical verses!

What is the meaning of "I Am"?

Explain the bolded below in John 17:21.

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Truthseeker10:

What is the meaning of "I Am"?

Explain the bolded below in John 17:21.

King James Bible
That they all may be one; as thou, Father, art in me, and I in thee, that they also may be one in us: that the world may believe that thou hast sent me.

Simple:

All of us are God after all we are ONE!

MaxInDHouse:


What do you mean by the word "divine"?

Oxford Dictionary:

Of or pertaining to a god.
Synonyms: deific, godlike, godly

Once again cherrypicking minutae. I can tell you who is NOT divine: you and Moses and the rest of humanity!

QuinQ:

Once again cherrypicking minutae. I can tell you who is NOT divine: you and Moses and the rest of humanity!

What about angels?

MaxInDHouse:


Simple:

All of us are God after all we are ONE!

Some God. Stop your heart from beating for a second - your own heart o.
Jesus laid down his life then picked up again. Those are kind of things only God can do

QuinQ:

Some God. Stop your heart from beating for a second - your own heart o.
Jesus laid down his life then picked up again. Those are kind of things only God can do

His disciples believe God raised him from the dead! Act 3:15; 5:30; 10:40;

In fact he BEGGED God to save him from death! Hebrews 5:7

MaxInDHouse:


What about angels?

Messengers and workers are not divine no matter how lofty their assignments. what Satan said to Jesus in Mathew 4:6. "He will order his angels concerning you..." Angels are workers

MaxInDHouse:


His disciples believe God raised him from the dead! Act 3:15; 5:30; 10:40;

In fact he BEGGED God to save him from death! Hebrews 5:7

Here's what Jesus HIMSELF said:
"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again."
You can then go ahead to say He was lying

QuinQ:


Here's what Jesus HIMSELF said:
"No one takes it from me, but I lay it down of my own accord. I have authority to lay it down and authority to take it up again."
You can then go ahead to say He was lying

So can we say that Jesus resurrected himself?