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DrRasheed:



Please, this sweeping generalization that does not reflect the reality of Muslim communities worldwide. Islam is practiced by over 1.9 billion people from a wide range of cultures, nationalities, and political backgrounds. The vast majority of Muslims live peacefully within the legal and constitutional frameworks of their countries, including secular democracies like the United States, India, and Indonesia.

Also, your idea that Muslims “always want to impose Sharia law” in non-Muslim countries is a distortion of what Sharia actually is. Sharia is a broad ethical and moral framework that primarily governs personal behavior, such as prayer, fasting, charity, and family matters. It is not a singular or uniform legal code, and its interpretation varies widely across cultures and legal systems.

In many Muslim-majority countries, such as Turkey, Tunisia, and Senegal, Sharia is not implemented as state law, and these countries maintain secular governance. Muslims living in the West rarely seek to implement religious law on others and often actively participate in upholding the constitutions and legal systems of their host nations. Examples like Ilhan Omar, Rashida Thlaib both in US Congress.

Your assertion that Muslims force non-Muslims to live under Sharia law once they become the majority is a myth fueled by fear and misinformation. In Islam, coercion in matters of faith is explicitly forbidden. The Quran clearly states, “There is no compulsion in religion” (Quran 2:256), emphasizing freedom of belief and conscience. Where individuals or groups do attempt to impose religion by force, they are acting in contradiction to Islamic teachings and are often motivated by political or ideological agendas rather than genuine religious principles.


You will be surprise if you continue to research Islam.

Final question. I must say you have answered very well so far and I have a better understanding.
Now my final question is this: it is known that of the total population of Muslims in the world about 15 to 20% are radicals. They are the ones who believe that Islam should be enforced on all populations and go as far as killing or beheading infidels as you people call others. As a Christian who do you think I should be wary of more? The 80% of Muslims who are peaceful or the 20% who are radicals considering the damage this 20% can do to the rest of the world. If you answer this honestly you will see why it is important that no nation that is not originally Islamic should allow Muslims he freedom to do whatever they want to do. You have clearly seen that these radical terrorists do not respect the laws of any nation.


Then on the side can I practice Christianity openly in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan without being beheqded the way Muslims from these countries are allowed to practice Islam in Christian countries like England?
Again this will tell you why Islam is a danger to the world and why peace loving Muslims like you are insignificant even though you are the majority.

I would appreciate your answers.

Firebomber:

It seems you need to start your research from the base of the reason why the Islam is the fastest growing religion.

1. Islam is the only religion on earth that called for the death of anyone that dump it
Don't let the lied to you, ask them the reason why all their Islamic countries have a death penalties for anyone that leave Islam. What's their Islam so afraid of?

2. The only reason Islam is the fastest growing religion is because of high fertility rate
They gave birth like rats and pigs just to keeps up with the population and they don't care if the children are been taken care or not. Tell us which sane religion only care about population and not the well-being of the followers 😂

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/04/06/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/


Have you ever asked yourself why is it that any religious attacked is always a Muslim attacking none Muslim religious house. Just this year alone I can show you how many churches have been burnt down by the so called Muslims jihadist but they can never show you just a single mosque that was burnt down by none Muslim.

Thank you for this man. Just follow my discussion with him. I’m just trying to make people see why the usual answers they give to the questions I asked are not even tenable. Islam is what it is. A religion that is currently the most violent religion in the world with the agenda to enforce itself in all countries of the world.

BrighterSyde:


Final question. I must say you have answered very well so far and I have a better understanding.
Now my final question is this: it is known that of the total population of Muslims in the world about 15 to 20% are radicals. They are the ones who believe that Islam should be enforced on all populations and go as far as killing or beheading infidels as you people call others. As a Christian who do you think I should be wary of more? The 80% of Muslims who are peaceful or the 20% who are radicals considering the damage this 20% can do to the rest of the world. If you answer this honestly you will see why it is important that no nation that is not originally Islamic should allow Muslims he freedom to do whatever they want to do. You have clearly seen that these radical terrorists do not respect the laws of any nation.


Then on the side can I practice Christianity openly in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan without being beheqded the way Muslims from these countries are allowed to practice Islam in Christian countries like England?
Again this will tell you why Islam is a danger to the world and why peace loving Muslims like you are insignificant even though you are the majority.

I would appreciate your answers.

Hi. How are you doing?

In what way can an appropriate response be given when your originating points are too far from correct?

The assertion that 15 to 20% of the Muslim population consists of radicals lacks backing from reliable research. In fact, most studies show that the overwhelming majority of Muslims reject violence and extremist beliefs.

Could you be kind to also point to the arabic word translated as infidel?

honesttalk21:


Hi. How are you doing?

In what way can an appropriate response be given when your originating points are too far from correct?

The assertion that 15 to 20% of the Muslim population consists of radicals lacks backing from reliable research. In fact, most studies show that the overwhelming majority of Muslims reject violence and extremist beliefs.

Could you be kind to also point to the arabic word translated as infidel?

I’m good. I trust you are good too.

So my approximation of 15 to 20% is from an American senator. It’s on my Facebook page. If you are willing I can sawnd you the link any way we can each other.
Now beyond that if we assume that only 1% of the Muslim population is radical isn’t that 1% more dangerous to the world than the remaining 99% who are peaceful?
Again if that 99% reject violence and extremism beliefs what is the effect of that 99% so far to the millions of lives that have been lost to extremism? Or is it your claim of Muslims being largely peaceful that will save the lives of those killed by extremism?

The word infidel is translated from the word kafir.

You have seen how I have picked each question you have raised and provided an answer no matter how obvious the answer is. Kindly do the same. Do not avoid the questions I have raised with new issues until you have addressed the questions I have raised.
If my points are far from correct then kindly point out the inaccuracies instead of making a generalized statement that my assertions are false.

Thank you very much.

BrighterSyde:


Final question. I must say you have answered very well so far and I have a better understanding.
Now my final question is this: it is known that of the total population of Muslims in the world about 15 to 20% are radicals. They are the ones who believe that Islam should be enforced on all populations and go as far as killing or beheading infidels as you people call others. As a Christian who do you think I should be wary of more? The 80% of Muslims who are peaceful or the 20% who are radicals considering the damage this 20% can do to the rest of the world. If you answer this honestly you will see why it is important that no nation that is not originally Islamic should allow Muslims he freedom to do whatever they want to do. You have clearly seen that these radical terrorists do not respect the laws of any nation.


Then on the side can I practice Christianity openly in Saudi Arabia or Afghanistan without being beheqded the way Muslims from these countries are allowed to practice Islam in Christian countries like England?
Again this will tell you why Islam is a danger to the world and why peace loving Muslims like you are insignificant even though you are the majority.

I would appreciate your answers.

Thanks much. However, the 20% figures given is wrong and you can please. In a 2013 survey across 39 countries, median 72% of Muslims said violence against civilians is never justified. In some countries like Indonesia (the largest Muslim population), rejection of violence was over 90%. That was then when terrorism was at its peak. Imagine today.

If 20% of 2 billion Muslims were truly violent extremists, that would mean 400 million radical terrorists — a figure completely out of touch with global reality. Intelligence agencies such as the CIA, FBI, and Interpol have consistently stated that the number of active jihadist militants worldwide is estimated to be between 100,000 to 200,000 — a fraction of 1% of the Muslim population, not 20%.

regarding your idea that because of a small dangerous minority the majority must be restricted: this logic is fundamentally unjust. Imagine applying the same standard elsewhere:

In the U.S., most mass shootings are committed by non-Muslims. Should all white males be treated as potential threats because of the actions of a few?

In Europe, right-wing extremism has surged (Europol reports show far-right attacks are now more common than jihadist attacks in places like ). Should all Christians or conservatives be collectively punished because of neo-Nazi groups?

Yes, Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan have a limited religious freedom. But it is also wrong to assume that Islam itself is the cause. Religious oppression is political and historical, not purely theological. Here are examples:

In countries like Senegal, Albania, Kosovo, Jordan, and even the UAE, Christians openly practice their faith, build churches, and celebrate without fear.
In Indonesia (the most populous Muslim country), Christmas is a national holiday, and churches are legal.


Brother, how could you say "peace-loving Muslims are insignificant" ??
It is peace-loving Muslims — scholars, activists, reformers, ordinary citizens — who:

Defeat terrorist groups (Muslims make up 80% of ISIS’s victims according to the U.S. State Department). Reform their societies. Promote interfaith dialogue globally.
Without them, terrorism would be far worse. Saying they are insignificant is like saying firefighters are insignificant because some fires still happen.

Your belief that Muslims inherently threaten world peace ignores hard facts, misrepresents statistics, and encourages collective punishment.
Instead, true security comes from ing the peaceful majority, strengthening freedom and rule of law, and refusing fear-based narratives that divide humanity. Please endeavour to approach Islam from objective view, do away with sentiments and prejudice.

Look at the UK today, there are many Muslim MPs. Churches are being converted to mosques, laws are accepting Muslims. That's people that read and do their research. Unfortunately the audience in Nigeria differ.

Edipet:
not so, you guys are afraid not to find something that will make you change y mind or convert to Christianity. the difference version of the Bible are the same, just that, you choose it Base on your understand of English

Examples:
- 1 John 5:7 (the "Trinity verse" appears in the King James Version but is absent in many modern translations because it was found to be a later addition and not in the earliest Greek manuscripts.
- Mark 16:9-20 (the "Long Ending of Mark" is also missing or footnoted in modern translations because the earliest and most reliable manuscripts end at Mark 16:8.

These are not just about English understanding — they are about real textual differences that scholars, including Christian scholars, openly acknowledge.

In contrast, the Quran has one text in Arabic globally, unchanged for over 1400 years — and every translation is called just a "translation," not a "version."
So it's not fear that's the reason Muslims do not convert; it's faith, reason, and textual consistency that give many Muslims confidence in Islam.

BrighterSyde:


I see. Now what about the fact that Muslims see their religion as more important than the constitution of any country they migrate to? Why do they always want to impose sharia law which Non-religious countries and Christian countries do not permit as it clashes or goes against their own constitution? Why should Muslims always do this when they are in the majority in any place? Why do they always force non-Muslims to be under sharia law once they are the majority in a place?

I believe I have responded to this in my earlier Write up but here is small explanation. it’s simply not true that all or even most Muslims try to impose Sharia law wherever they go.
There is a huge difference between Muslims wanting to personally follow Sharia (like praying five times a day, fasting during Ramadan, eating halal food) and forcing others to live under Sharia.

The vast majority of Muslims, especially in democratic societies like the U.S., U.K., Canada, and Europe, respect the constitution and laws of the country they live in.

In most Muslim-majority countries, even among Muslims, for enforcing full Sharia over everyone (Muslims and non-Muslims) is very mixed.

In Indonesia, only 49% making Sharia the law of the land — and even among them, they favor personal application, not forcing non-Muslims.
In places like Lebanon and Albania, for imposing Sharia is very low (below 30%).
Countries like Senegal, Morocco, and Turkey have secular constitutions and Muslims there secularism strongly.

BrighterSyde:

I’m good. I trust you are good too.

So my approximation of 15 to 20% is from an American senator. It’s on my Facebook page. If you are willing I can sawnd you the link any way we can each other.
Now beyond that if we assume that only 1% of the Muslim population is radical isn’t that 1% more dangerous to the world than the remaining 99% who are peaceful?
Again if that 99% reject violence and extremism beliefs what is the effect of that 99% so far to the millions of lives that have been lost to extremism? Or is it your claim of Muslims being largely peaceful that will save the lives of those killed by extremism?

The word infidel is translated from the word kafir.

You have seen how I have picked each question you have raised and provided an answer no matter how obvious the answer is. Kindly do the same. Do not avoid the questions I have raised with new issues until you have addressed the questions I have raised.
If my points are far from correct then kindly point out the inaccuracies instead of making a generalized statement that my assertions are false.

Thank you very much.

Glad to know you are doing well. I am alright thanks.

Now is the American Senator's absolute truth and is he an authority to make such a statement.

Then if you say 1% against an opposing 99% do you the actual state of Allah through his guidance in Islam says about this *radicalism*?

On the contrary The term "Kafir" (كافر) in Arabic derives from the trilateral root k-f-r (ك-ف-ر), which signifies "to cover" or "to conceal." In Islamic theology and the Quran, a kāfir is fundamentally an individual who obscures or denies the divine truth of Allah despite having been presented with clearly with it.

I assume this is similar to the bastardisation of the true meaning of Jihad which truly means all efforts/struggles in the cause of Allah.

Seun:
Dear Nairalanders,

By popular demand, we have ended the swearing of oaths before commenting on the Islam section.

However, the requirement to engage muslims and all Nairalanders with decency and respect remains.

We have promoted the Islam section to the top level because Islam is as important as Christianity..

We have renamed the Religion board as the Christianity Etc board, recognizing the fact that most non-Muslims are Christians.

Please enjoy! And feel free to share your about these changes.

Seun..

You see the type of things that keeps making me wonder whether we are deliberately doing ourselves or not.

You promoted Islam to top-level because it is as important as Christianity.

So,, You compared Islam to Christianity in importance, and then promoted it above Christianity.??

Why not promote two of them at once.??

If you must bond any of those high-importance religions to the rest of the “lesser-importance” religions,, why did you choose Christianity.??

Why didn't you bond “Islam and etc”.??

I stopped commenting on anything RELIGION on Nairaland because of what you guys did with “Islam for Muslims” section.

And here you are again..!!
Still making Islam seeming like it is the best religion, while others are less important, and can be bundled together.

If you're a Muslim, that's your own wahalla.
But stop giving off that Aura of extreme religious bias with Nairaland.

Thanks

BluntCrazeMan:


Seun..

You see the type of things that keeps making me wonder whether we are deliberately doing ourselves or not.

You promoted Islam to top-level because it is as important as Christianity.

So,, You compared Islam to Christianity in importance, and then promoted it above Christianity.??

Why not promote two of them at once.??

If you must bond any of those high-importance religions to the rest of the “lesser-importance” religions,, why did you choose Christianity.??

Why didn't you bond “Islam and etc”.??

I stopped commenting on anything RELIGION on Nairaland because of what you guys did with “Islam for Muslims” section.

And here you are again..!!
Still making Islam seeming like it is the best religion, while others are less important, and can be bundled together.

If you're a Muslim, that's your own wahalla.
But stop giving off that Aura of extreme religious bias with Nairaland.

Does how someone feels or think about Christianity define what it is to you?

It's about perception and however wrong or right it is the perceivers. You can try to educate if you bother but the perceiver has some right to his or her conclusion.

So Nairaland anti spam bot no dey even fear Seun?

It's well oo!

Seun# you did well

After all this year’s
Nice one though 👍

Some peeps still swore the oath before to air their points.

Why is this on the Islam section and not on the Christian section, Seun?


Equity please.

honesttalk21:


Does how someone feels or think about Christianity define what it is to you?

It's about perception and however wrong or right it is the perceivers. You can try to educate if you bother but the perceiver has some right to his or her conclusion.

My people usually say:

“..Whatever that is worth doing -- is worth doing well..”

So tell me.., that I spotted something wrong and said it out, it doesn't mean that what was done was not good.

It only means that some more needed to be done.
And that thing that needed to be done had been pin-pointed.

..


I don't know why a lot of you don't feel comfortable whenever someone points out something that is not going well..

You always find ways to make that person to feel guilty for speaking up.

chatinent:
Why is this on the Islam section and not on the Christian section, Seun?


Equity please.

Bro Honesttalk2.

You may also wish somehow find a way to blame this guy here too for spotting another anomaly?

chatinent:
Why is this on the Islam section and not on the Christian section, Seun?
Equity please.

Madam I am trying to make everybody happy. Please relax and trust that our goal is a Nairaland that works for every Nigerian.

BluntCrazeMan:



My people usually say:

“..Whatever that is worth doing -- is worth doing well..”

So tell me.., that I spotted something wrong and said it out, it doesn't mean that what was done was not good.

It only means that some more needed to be done.
And that thing that needed to be done had been pin-pointed.

..


I don't know why a lot of you don't feel comfortable whenever someone points out something that is not going well..

You always find ways to make that person to feel guilty for speaking up.

The point remains who determines what is or Isn't well. Why the need for external validation?

honesttalk21:


The point remains who determines what is or Isn't well. Why the need for external validation?

Absolute is Absolute.

Relative is Relative.

DrRasheed:



Examples:
- 1 John 5:7 (the "Trinity verse" appears in the King James Version but is absent in many modern translations because it was found to be a later addition and not in the earliest Greek manuscripts.
- Mark 16:9-20 (the "Long Ending of Mark" is also missing or footnoted in modern translations because the earliest and most reliable manuscripts end at Mark 16:8.

These are not just about English understanding — they are about real textual differences that scholars, including Christian scholars, openly acknowledge.

In contrast, the Quran has one text in Arabic globally, unchanged for over 1400 years — and every translation is called just a "translation," not a "version."
So it's not fear that's the reason Muslims do not convert; it's faith, reason, and textual consistency that give many Muslims confidence in Islam.

are those textual variant u mentioned seen in all ancient bible versions at that time?

what I mean is if I open the peshitta, latin vulgate, greek manuscript, armenian bible, coptic new testament, Garima gospel, gothic bible, all written the 5th century; will I find these so called corrupted verses in all these bible versions?