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3seriez:


I really don't see why someone will disguise and enter a Muslim thread and be hurling insults at islam & Muslims , if not for intolerant xtians. What's the aim of the disguise?

To be realistic tell me which religion is the most intolerant? How many times or places do you see Christians killing up and down like Muslims do? All the terrorists in the world are Muslims.
Mind you I am not against Muslims there are good and tolerable ones especially the ones from the south. My family is mixed both Christan and Muslim. But all over the world Islam is a problem.

Seun:
Dear Nairalanders,

By popular demand, we have ended the swearing of oaths before commenting on the Islam section.

However, the requirement to engage muslims and all Nairalanders with decency and respect remains.

We have promoted the Islam section to the top level because it's a very important religion.

We have renamed the Religion board as the Christianity Etc board, recognizing the fact that most non-Muslims are Christians.

Please enjoy! And feel free to share your about these changes.

Most non-muslims are not christians. Name it Christianity and not Christianity E.t.c

Seun:
E go shock you.

Nice one Seun

mahilip:
Mr Seun, you are wrong to assume that most non-Muslims are Christians.
A very significant percentage of Nigerians are African Traditional worshippers, Irreligious and Atheists

about 47 percent of Nigerians are Christians.

Greatness09:
Why person go dey swear before e comment 😂😂😂

Because they don't want to hear the truth, they are afraid of truth.

DesChyko:


So glaring. Add trutharena and Chinkoalaji34 to the mix. Worse yet? They're all created about the same damn time, down to the date!

And the likes on each of their comments are always the same.

Firebomber:


Sell that to those gullible people you are brainwashing with your hypocrisy.

You still don't answer my question.

Why did all your Islamic countries called for the death of anyone that dump your islam


Guess "Objective mind opens hearts to truth" doesn't apply here 😂

Hypocrite

I don't tolerate hearsays. Where? Saudi? Qatar? Dubai? Nigeria? Where?

TenQ:

1. You forgot to tell our friend that Quran 9:5 had abrogated Qur'an 2:256
Quran 9:29
“Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His apostle nor acknowledge the religion of truth (even if they are) of the People of the Book until they pay the Jizya with willing submission and feel themselves subdued.”


2. Is the Qur'an or the Hadiths of your prophet for all times or just for the times of your prophet?

3. The Hadiths below show Muslims on the Offensive against others.

Mishkat al-Masabih 3929
Sulaiman b. Buraida told on his father’s authority that when God’s Messenger appointed a commander over an army or a detachment he instructed him to fear God himself and consider the welfare of the Muslims who were with him. He then said, “Go forth in God’s name in God’s path and fight with those who disbelieve in God. Go forth and do not be unfaithful regarding booty, or treacherous, or mutilate anyone, or kill a child. When you meet the polytheists who are your enemy summon them to three things, and accept whichever of them they are willing to agree to, and refrain from them. Then
1. summon them to Islam, and if they agree accept it from them and refrain from them.
2. Then summon them to leave their abodes and transfer to the abode of the Emigrants, and tell them that if they do so they will have the same rights and responsibilities as the Emigrants; but if they refuse to transfer from them tell them they will be like the desert Arabs who are Muslims, subject to God’s jurisdiction which applies to the believers, but will have no spoil or booty unless they strive with the Muslims.
3. If they refuse demand the jizya from them, and if they agree accept it from them and refrain from them; but if they refuse seek God’s help and fight with them.
When you invest a fortress and its people wish you to grant them the protection of God and His prophet, grant them neither but grant them your protection and that of your companions, for it is less serious to break your guarantee of protection and that of your companions than to break that of God and His Messenger. If you invest a fortress and its people offer to capitulate and have the matter referred to God’s jurisdiction, do not grant this, but let them capitulate and have the matter referred to your jurisdiction, for you do not know whether or not you will hit on God’s jurisdiction regarding them.”


Thanks

Thank you for raising these points. You're not alone in asking these questions—many sincere seekers and critics alike have wondered about these verses and hadiths. Let’s look at each point carefully and respond from within Islamic sources, using the Qur'an, hadith

The Claim of Abrogation: Does 9:5 Cancel 2:256?
One of the most misunderstood topics in Islamic theology is the claim that Qur’an 9:5—the so-called “Verse of the Sword”—abrogates peaceful verses like 2:256, which says, “There is no compulsion in religion.” While it is true that some scholars in the medieval period ed the idea of abrogation here, this view is not unanimous. Many of the most respected exegetes of the Qur’an, including Imam al-Tabari, Fakhr al-Din al-Razi, and modern scholars such as Muhammad Asad and Yusuf al-Qaradawi, have rejected this position. These scholars argue that verse 2:256 is a foundational principle of Islamic belief, affirming that genuine faith cannot be compelled.


Qur’an 9:29, which discusses fighting “those who do not believe in Allah,” must be read in the historical and situational context of conflict with the Byzantine Empire. It was revealed at a time when the Muslims were in a state of war, and surrounding empires posed a military threat. The verse is not a license to attack peaceful non-Muslims but a directive for dealing with hostile forces. The inclusion of “until they pay jizya” is a reference to a political agreement, not religious persecution. In return for jizya, non-Muslims were exempted from military service and guaranteed protection by the Muslim state. This was a common practice in empires of the time, and it is not unique to Islam.

The concept of jizya is often misunderstood. It is not a punishment or humiliation, but rather a tax that non-Muslims paid in Islamic states for public services and military exemption. Muslims paid zakat, which often amounted to more than the jizya. In practice, jizya was often lower than the taxes people paid to other governments, including the Byzantine and Sassanid empires. Non-Muslims under Islamic rule—particularly “People of the Book” like Jews and Christians—were permitted to practice their religion, govern their internal affairs, and live peacefully under Muslim protection. This was part of a pluralistic legal framework, not a campaign of forced conversion.

The hadith you cited from Mishkat al-Masabih outlines military conduct during the Prophet Muhammad’s time. However, even in this report, the Prophet’s instructions emphasize diplomacy and restraint: the commander is told first to invite the enemy to Islam, then to peaceful integration, and only to fight if these options are refused. Even then, there are strict ethical rules: no treachery, no harming civilians, no mutilation. This demonstrates that warfare in Islam is highly regulated and ethical, even by today’s standards of international law. These instructions were necessary for a time when warfare between empires was the norm and alliances constantly shifted. The Prophet’s approach was rooted in justice and pragmatism, not aggression or compulsion.


Yes, both the Qur’an and authentic hadith are relevant for all times, but they must be applied in the context in which they are revealed. Islamic law (Shari’ah) is built on principles that for changing circumstances, including war, peace, minority status, governance, and international relations. The overarching aim is always justice, as seen in Qur’an 16:90: “Indeed, Allah commands justice, kindness, and giving to relatives, and forbids immorality, bad conduct, and oppression.” Any interpretation of the Qur’an or hadith that justifies terrorism, forced conversions, or blind aggression violates this core ethic.


Despite being revealed in a context of conflict, the Qur’an constantly promotes peace when possible. Qur’an 8:61 says, “And if they incline to peace, then incline to it [also].” The Prophet Muhammad’s life shows us this clearly: in Medina, he signed treaties with Jews and pagans, upheld rights of religious minorities, and condemned acts of injustice. Even at the conquest of Mecca—when he had the upper hand—he forgave his former enemies and declared amnesty. If Islam were truly about conquest or forced belief, this would not have been the Prophet’s example.


Taken out of context, verses like 9:5 and 9:29 may seem to promote violence. But when read in the broader Qur’anic and Prophetic framework, it becomes clear that Islam’s message is one of justice, freedom of belief, and ethical governance. The Qur’an does not condone terrorism or forced conversion—it outright prohibits them. Like any tradition, Islam can be misinterpreted, but its core teachings, properly understood, reject the idea that faith can be spread by the sword.

DrRasheed:
I pray one day, those blindly attacking Muslims and Islam pick up genuine interest and study the religion as westerners do.

Objective mind opens hearts to truth

What of those attacking Christians and Christianity

Seun:
Dear Nairalanders,

By popular demand, we have ended the swearing of oaths before commenting on the Islam section.

However, the requirement to engage muslims and all Nairalanders with decency and respect remains.

We have promoted the Islam section to the top level because it's a very important religion.

We have renamed the Religion board as the Christianity Etc board, recognizing the fact that most non-Muslims are Christians.

Please enjoy! And feel free to share your about these changes.

Seun, why is it necessary for you to make Christianity less important than Islam?

"Islam is a very important religion". So, Christianity is not a very important religion? Which other religion has had a Cleric whose ing elicited condolences from every world leader including our very own president like the Pope?

You haven't still created equity.

Christians are not less significant nor less in number than Muslims in the country, so why is there a strictly Islam section but a "Christianity etc" board?

Letting the Christians have their own dedicated section without other religions included just as you've done for Islam is the fair thing to do.

I am not sure why this is a difficult thing for you to do. Though I suspect it's a political play, because I know you're a smart guy.

One can only hope you'll do what is right regardless.

And it's simple:

Let the religion board be titled RELIGION. Then, let there be a section titled Christianity and another titled Islam. Christianity section for Christians only. Islam section for Muslims only.
This is the popular demand, not what you've done. It's not the oath. It's the lack of equity that was the issue.

Thanks.

Raf4:


What are you hiding about your religion? Everyone should have the freedom of ing or exiting any religion without constraints.
You want to protect yours, while you enjoy unhindered access to discuss, condemn and attack others'??

Read very well before barking. Don't waste your education fees. Ask for yours if you want it. Nothing concern you if Muslim protect their thread. Simple logic.

You're very bias by saying Islam is very important and didn't say so of Christianity.

Why will you elevate Islam as an independent entity and you now add Christianity with others which you term etc.

There is no difference between what was before and what you have done now. Not everyone can be confused with your use of words.

Seun:
Dear Nairalanders,

By popular demand, we have ended the swearing of oaths before commenting on the Islam section.

However, the requirement to engage muslims and all Nairalanders with decency and respect remains.

We have promoted the Islam section to the top level because it's a very important religion.

We have renamed the Religion board as the Christianity Etc board, recognizing the fact that most non-Muslims are Christians.

Please enjoy! And feel free to share your about these changes.

Finally...as it should be. Let all section be free entry n free exit

No set of people are more nairalanders than others

DrRasheed:


I don't tolerate hearsays. Where? Saudi? Qatar? Dubai? Nigeria? Where?

Stop showing your hypocrisy online Abdul 😂

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam_by_country#:~:text=Prevailing%20Hanafi%20jurisprudence%2C%20per%20consensus,of%20apostasy%20and%20res%20Islam.


All the list you needed is above. 😂

And when did Nigeria become Islamic country that you listed?

Shameless hypocrite 😂

3seriez:


Because alot of people don't know how to observe decorum and respect themselves.

Lol so you felt its right for the procedure to just be for one religion…Muslims know how important Jesus Christ is to Christianity religion even some regard him as God the Son and some Muslims calls him just a prophet….pls since the creation of the country called Nigeria have anyone been killed or stoned to death for insulting Jesus….omo let the God we serve be the judge and not we human fighting the fight of the Gods

DrRasheed:


Thanks for honest question.

This verse was revealed during a specific time of war between the early Muslim community and the Byzantine Empire. It was not a blanket command to terrorize or harm non-Muslims. Rather, it referred to defensive military campaigns against empires threatening the Muslim state at the time.

Jizya was a tax paid by non-Muslims in the Islamic state in exchange for protection and exemption from military service. Muslims, on the other hand, had to pay zakat (a different form of tax) and were required to serve in the military.

“Let there be no compulsion in religion…” (Surah Al-Baqarah 2:256)
This verse makes it explicit that belief is a matter of free choice, not coercion. My brother, like many scriptures (including in the Bible), the Qur’an has verses that deal with war, especially because the early Muslim community faced persecution and war. But these are not blanket orders to fight unbelievers; they are tied to specific political or military contexts.

I see. Now what about the fact that Muslims see their religion as more important than the constitution of any country they migrate to? Why do they always want to impose sharia law which Non-religious countries and Christian countries do not permit as it clashes or goes against their own constitution? Why should Muslims always do this when they are in the majority in any place? Why do they always force non-Muslims to be under sharia law once they are the majority in a place?

Firebomber:

It seems you need to start your research from the base of the reason why the Islam is the fastest growing religion.

1. Islam is the only religion on earth that called for the death of anyone that dump it
Don't let the lied to you, ask them the reason why all their Islamic countries have a death penalties for anyone that leave Islam. What's their Islam so afraid of?

2. The only reason Islam is the fastest growing religion is because of high fertility rate
They gave birth like rats and pigs just to keeps up with the population and they don't care if the children are been taken care or not. Tell us which sane religion only care about population and not the well-being of the followers 😂

https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2017/04/06/why-muslims-are-the-worlds-fastest-growing-religious-group/


Have you ever asked yourself why is it that any religious attacked is always a Muslim attacking none Muslim religious house. Just this year alone I can show you how many churches have been burnt down by the so called Muslims jihadist but they can never show you just a single mosque that was burnt down by none Muslim.

I totally understand you brother and of course you are right. Their population is not because people are converting but because one man fathers and wives up to four women whereas Christian’s mostly stick to one man one wife.

Firebomber:


Stop showing your hypocrisy online Abdul 😂

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Apostasy_in_Islam_by_country#:~:text=Prevailing%20Hanafi%20jurisprudence%2C%20per%20consensus,of%20apostasy%20and%20res%20Islam.


All the list you needed is above. 😂

And when did Nigeria become Islamic country that you listed?

Shameless hypocrite 😂

You keep going in circles. The rules exist but show me where people are killed in the listed countries? There are conditions fool

BrighterSyde:


I see. Now what about the fact that Muslims see their religion as more important than the constitution of any country they migrate to? Why do they always want to impose sharia law which Non-religious countries and Christian countries do not permit as it clashes or goes against their own constitution? Why should Muslims always do this when they are in the majority in any place? Why do they always force non-Muslims to be under sharia law once they are the majority in a place?

Please, this sweeping generalization that does not reflect the reality of Muslim communities worldwide. Islam is practiced by over 1.9 billion people from a wide range of cultures, nationalities, and political backgrounds. The vast majority of Muslims live peacefully within the legal and constitutional frameworks of their countries, including secular democracies like the United States, India, and Indonesia.

Also, your idea that Muslims “always want to impose Sharia law” in non-Muslim countries is a distortion of what Sharia actually is. Sharia is a broad ethical and moral framework that primarily governs personal behavior, such as prayer, fasting, charity, and family matters. It is not a singular or uniform legal code, and its interpretation varies widely across cultures and legal systems.

In many Muslim-majority countries, such as Turkey, Tunisia, and Senegal, Sharia is not implemented as state law, and these countries maintain secular governance. Muslims living in the West rarely seek to implement religious law on others and often actively participate in upholding the constitutions and legal systems of their host nations. Examples like Ilhan Omar, Rashida Thlaib both in US Congress.

Your assertion that Muslims force non-Muslims to live under Sharia law once they become the majority is a myth fueled by fear and misinformation. In Islam, coercion in matters of faith is explicitly forbidden. The Quran clearly states, “There is no compulsion in religion” (Quran 2:256), emphasizing freedom of belief and conscience. Where individuals or groups do attempt to impose religion by force, they are acting in contradiction to Islamic teachings and are often motivated by political or ideological agendas rather than genuine religious principles.


You will be surprise if you continue to research Islam.

BrighterSyde:



I totally understand you brother and of course you are right. Their population is not because people are converting but because one man fathers and wives up to four women whereas Christian’s mostly stick to one man one wife.

Firebomber is lying to you. He's apparently biased and not being objective. He's talking from deep hatred which is against all i mentioned in my previous posts

According to a report by the Pew Research Center, about 77% of people raised Muslim remain Muslim into adulthood—a retention rate comparable to Christians at 75%. In the United States, nearly one in four Muslim adults (23%) are converts to Islam, which clearly indicates that people are willingly choosing to embrace the faith based on belief, not birthrate. Islam’s growth is therefore not just biological, but spiritual and ideological.

Pew’s data also shows that the global population of atheists, agnostics, and religiously und people is expected to decline by 2050, while Islam and Christianity will continue growing, based on trends in belief, not just demographics.

Seun:
Dear Nairalanders,

By popular demand, we have ended the swearing of oaths before commenting on the Islam section.

However, the requirement to engage muslims and all Nairalanders with decency and respect remains.

We have promoted the Islam section to the top level because Islam is as important as Christianity..

We have renamed the Religion board as the Christianity Etc board, recognizing the fact that most non-Muslims are Christians.

Please enjoy! And feel free to share your about these changes.

So upon all the abuse Obidients are abusing Muslims in other sections, you are going to give them even more leeway in the dedicated Muslim section, very wrong move.

Please other features like chat, photos, videos should be added
Facebook too dey disable acct
Make we dey flex for nl

Thunderfayamods:

To be realistic tell me which religion is the most intolerant? How many times or places do you see Christians killing up and down like Muslims do? All the terrorists in the world are Muslims.
Mind you I am not against Muslims there are good and tolerable ones especially the ones from the south. My family is mixed both Christan and Muslim. But all over the world Islam is a problem.

I gave my reasons why they put the oath in the 1st place and you're deviating to the same reason again. Muslims here just want to enjoy Muslim topics without it being derailed or someone reminding us what misguided people do in the name of Islam.

Greatness09:


Lol so you felt its right for the procedure to just be for one religion…Muslims know how important Jesus Christ is to Christianity religion even some regard him as God the Son and some Muslims calls him just a prophet….pls since the creation of the country called Nigeria have anyone been killed or stoned to death for insulting Jesus….omo let the God we serve be the judge and not we human fighting the fight of the Gods

Agreed. Unfortunately over time , extremists preaching have reached alot of Muslim followers. I during the military, extremist Preachers were dealt with but since the advent of democracy, politicians have allowed these preachings to go uncensored, hence the actions of a few giving Islam a bad name.

It was really a senseless oath and very suspicious.

DrRasheed:

it’s not that we don’t actually it is because the Quran contains comprehensive detail of the actual true events in the Bible. Now, if I am to choose to study Bible, I will be confused on which to go for considering you have multiple versions and each christian denominations are having their own.

not so, you guys are afraid not to find something that will make you change y mind or convert to Christianity. the difference version of the Bible are the same, just that, you choose it Base on your understand of English

Seun Mother's prayers are working.... He'll soon become a Pastor