NewStats: 3,261,682 , 8,174,761 topics. Date: Friday, 30 May 2025 at 06:14 AM 5l6w18

sonmvayina:


What was his name?

you are more mature than this now. See how you are asking question like a kid

Kobojunkie:
If you don't first understand salvation, how can you understand faith or belief?

guy I know you before. Na your way. I won't reply again bye

delkuf:
you are more mature than this now. See how you are asking question like a kid

So the man has no name?
So is it good for me to say the story is a forgery?

Thank Goodness I left Christianity. Ha

delkuf:
guy I know you before. Na your way. I won't reply again bye

Religion is a bitch that never gets you anywhere better than you were with it. isn't that so?🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣

delkuf:

do all humans believe in the cross

delkuf:

@gohf is salvation not free.

Everyone claims they believe so
Salvation is FREEEEEEEEEE!

delkuf:
you are saved before you are justified. You are not justified and then you become saved.
You have believe in the work of the Lord Jesus on cross open to it and you are saved. The work and the blood of Jesus will wash you and justified from all wrong doings. Then you can stand righteous in the sight of God

Delku, I say this with respect, something is wrong with your head.

I am not sure you are ok for this is the second time this week that you are talking like one whose head is touching.

How can a criminal eg the landlord who shot a boy, be saved?

Then if saved, why would he still need justification?

delkuf:
we are saved by what the Lord Jesus did on the cross.

but what Jesus did didn't save the other criminal too right

Sirmwill:



Salvation itself is free and embedded in believing

"For God so loved the world that he gave his only begotten son that whosoever believes in him shall not perish but have everlasting life" John 3:16

A man is not saved by his works of love,a man is saved by believing in Jesus and a man is righteous by his works of love


The works that James was talking about was justification(righteousness)(doing the right thing in a situation)

So you see, we are shown to be right with God by what we do, not by faith alone. (Jas 2: 24)

[Source: New Living Translation]
You see then how that by works a man is justified, and not by faith only. (Jas 2: 24)

[Source: American King James Version]
You see that a person is justified by what he does and not by faith alone. (Jas 2: 24)

[Source: NIV UK 2011]
You see that a person is justified by works and not by faith alone. (Jas 2: 24)

[Source: ESV English Standard Version]
Ye se then how that of dedes a man is iustified and not of fayth only. (Jas 2: 24)

[Source: Tyndale Bible]
You see that a man is pronounced righteous because of works and not because of faith alone. (Jas 2: 24)

[Source: The Riverside New Testament]

You see, a man is a good man because of the things he does, and not just because he believes. (Jas 2: 24)

[Source: Bible in Worldwide English]

The works(of love) make a man good, righteous,justified not "brings salvation to a man" or "saves a man"!!!

Whoever believes in him is not condemned, but whoever does not believe stands condemned already because they have not believed in the name of God’s one and only Son. This is the verdict: Light has come into the world, but people loved darkness instead of light because their deeds were evil. Everyone who does evil hates the light, and will not come into the light for fear that their deeds will be exposed. But whoever lives by the truth comes into the light, so that it may be seen plainly that what they have done has been done in the sight of God. John 3: 18 - 21

You read this and tell yourself salvation is free for everyone, are you not deceiving

Jas.2.14 What good is it, my brothers, if a man claims to have faith but has no deeds? Can such faith save him?

Jas.1.21 - 22
So get rid of all the filth and evil in your lives, and humbly accept the message God has planted in your hearts, for it is strong enough to save your souls. And , it is a message to obey, not just to listen to. If you don't obey, you are only fooling yourself.

Another witness and testimony of the truth

2Pet.3.14 - 15
And so, dear friends, while you are waiting for these things to happen, make every effort to live a pure and blameless life. And be at peace with God. And , the Lord is waiting so that people have time to be saved. This is just as our beloved brother Paul wrote to you with the wisdom God gave him--

delkuf:
what is the difference between faith and believe. Explain

You have to explain it. What is the difference?

GRACE IS THE REWARD OF WORK AND PRAY.

orisa37:
GRACE IS THE REWARD OF WORK AND PRAY.

Grace is not a reward; it is a gift.

The Bible teaches that grace is undeserved favor from God, not something we earn through work or prayer.

If salvation were a reward for good works, then Jesus’ death would have been unnecessary and meaningless because we could have earned salvation ourselves. But the truth is, we were helpless in sin, and only through Jesus' death and resurrection can we be saved.

(Romans 5:6-.
[6]For when we were yet without strength, in due time Christ died for the ungodly.
[7]For scarcely for a righteous man will one die: yet peradventure for a good man some would even dare to die.
[8]But God commendeth his love toward us, in that, while we were yet sinners, Christ died for us.

gohf:
but what Jesus did didn't save the other criminal too right

because he didn't believe. He was only looking for a way out.

delkuf:
because he didn't believe. He was only looking for a way out.

he was looking to be saved like some who are looking for a way out of their situations, so why did Jesus ignore him seeing as "salvation is free"

How can Jesus ignore to give him what he needs that is free?

StillDtruth:


Delku, I say this with respect, something is wrong with your head.

I am not sure you are ok for this is the second time this week that you are talking like one whose head is touching.

How can a criminal eg the landlord the landlord who shot a boy, be saved?

Then if saved, why would he still need justification?

why the insult. I won't take that from you. You don't talk to me like that. You don't know me and I don't know you and you talk to me like that. Have a nice day

gohf:
he was looking to be saved like some who are looking for a way out of their situations, so why did Jesus ignore him seeing as "salvation is free"

How can Jesus ignore to give him what he needs that is free?

looking for a way out doesn't mean you believe. What save us is our faith in what the Lord Jesus has done on the cross. You must believe it and be save or don't believe it and not be save. There is no two ways about it. There is no gimmick or anything. The thief didn't believe

delkuf:
looking for a way out doesn't mean you believe. What save us is our faith in what the Lord Jesus has done on the cross. You must believe it and be save or don't believe it and not be save. There is no two ways about it. There is no gimmick or anything. The thief didn't believe

You didn't answer the question, "why did Jesus ignore him seeing as 'salvation is free'?"

gohf:


You didn't answer the question, "why did Jesus ignore him seeing as 'salvation is free'?"

Jesus didn't ignore him. He just didn't believe is like when Jesus blind bertholomew what do you want me to do for you and he kept quiet not saying anything. He had the savior by his side but he did not believe to be saved. Is it the fault of Jesus or lack of faith of the thief.


Let me ask you why are there still sinners in the church today?

delkuf:
Jesus didn't ignore him. He just didn't believe

so what response did Jesus give him?

gohf:
so what response did Jesus give him?

delkuf you don't know the answer to this, neither do I because it wasn't recorded, so please explain why did you say Jesus didn't ignore him?

gohf:
so what response did Jesus give him?

what respond do you want Jesus to give to someone that dont believe that he can save him.



Let me ask you a question, why do you think there are still sinners in the church today. There are people that goes to church here the glorious gospel of Christ and they are still wallowing in sin. Why are there people like that?

delkuf:
what respond do you want Jesus to give to someone that dont believe that he can save him.



Let me ask you a question, why do you think there are still sinners in the church today. There are people that goes to church here the glorious gospel of Christ and they are still wallowing in sin. Why are there people like that?

why would they bother seeing as their salvation is free?

gohf:
why would they bother seeing as their salvation is free?

i didn't get you.
Why will someone that hear the gospel of Christ and still not get save

delkuf:
i didn't get you.
Why will someone that hear the gospel of Christ and still not get save

yet you are wondering why people who go to some churches hearing that salvation is free don't bother to do God's will

gohf:
yet you are wondering why people who go to some churches hearing that salvation is free don't bother to do God's will

answer the question. You have been asking me questions and I have been answering you, so you answer this one question, why would someone go to church, hear the gospel of Christ and still not get save

delkuf I already shared what is taught by Jesus and others in the new testament concerning eternal life and salvation... https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/8373840/salvation-free-gift-why-work

But instead of listening to what was been taught concerning the two criminals crucified alongside Jesus, you mistook here to create a thread now you can't answer questions concerning your own teachings.

I will ask you yet another question, did both criminals make a request from Jesus?

Which of them said what was good?

delkuf:
answer the question. You have been asking me questions and I have been answering you, so you answer this one question, why would someone go to church, hear the gospel of Christ and still not get save

Because salvation is NOT free otherwise whoever claims he believes in Jesus and goes to church on Sundays supposed to be saved!

delkuf:
answer the question. You have been asking me questions and I have been answering you, so you answer this one question, why would someone go to church, hear the gospel of Christ and still not get save

from the very answer I gave you, the same reason because they believe a lie that they already have salvation for free. They don't need to obey God for it, they don't need to work it out through love. They are saved because they believe they are saved. 😊🤭🤣🤣🤣

MaxInDHouse:

Because salvation is NOT free otherwise whoever claims he believes in Jesus and goes to church on Sundays supposed to be saved!

because going to church is supposed to save them or prove they are saved 🙄🤦

gohf:
because going to church is supposed to save them or prove they are saved 🙄🤦

Jesus' comment at Matthew 7:21-23 shows that salvation is not free because he emphasized on "DOING GOD'S WILL" which means doing some WORKS are involved! James 2:18-26

gohf:
from the very answer I gave you, the same reason because they believe a lie that they already have salvation for free. They don't need to obey God for it, they don't need to work it out through love. They are saved because they believe they are saved. 😊🤭🤣🤣🤣

no that is it. You know that is not it. They didn't believe. They hear the gospel of Christ but they didn't believe.
Not this they believe a lie that you are saying. They simply do not believe the gospel of Christ that is why they are not save. They are in the church, they hear the gospel of Christ preached to them but they simply do not believe in it that is why they are not save. Accept this simple fact.

delkuf:

no that is it. You know that is not it. They didn't believe. They hear the gospel of Christ but they didn't believe.

If they believe lie and strongly think they believe the truth while quoting the Bible with all zealousness how can you prove them wrong?