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HEAVEN4444:
he, Orunmila is Oduduwa and obatala. Different names same entity. Orunmila is the name when he has ascended to the throne, Oduduwa is the name when he falls down to earth from heaven aka fallen from the throne and Obatala is the name when he is on the throne

Thanks for this explanation.

Goldensealcures:
How the yorubas able to preserve their culture, tradition and language in anywhere they find their selves in the world is worthy of emulation.

True...because a lot of slaves were taken from different parts of Africa during the slave trade era, but only Yoruba religion really survived...at least that I know of.

kay29000:


So much potential that is being overlooked. Many countries in Latin America and some communities in USA practice the Yoruba religion and take it more serious than us sef.

Hmmm. This is not true o. Many of us are not unaware of the reality and that's why we keep preaching Christ.

kay29000:


Thanks for this explanation.

no shaking bro. Thank you

FuckTheMod:

Exactly what those Israelis did. Most of those so-called historical Christian places were just fabricated for the sole purpose of tourism.
The jews themselves even hate Jesus and only give a shìt about him to make money.

It's always funny to me how so many people don't know that the people of Israel (jews) don't even believe in Jesus. As you said, all they do concerning Christian tourism in their country is strictly for monetary gains.

I like oyibo people they will just allow you to worship your idol in peace ,apart from mami water worshiping by yorubas slaves in Brazil or Haiti and Cuba you don see of them I government?

FreeStuffsNG:
Hmmm. This is not true o. Many of us are not unaware of the reality and that's why we keep preaching Christ.

What exactly is not true?

HEAVEN4444:
no orunmila ?

Orunmila is a messenger who interpret the words of these Orisas.


Have you seen Orunmila shrine before?

kay29000:


What exactly is not true?

That they have more devotees over there than here at home in Yorubaland

kay29000:


How many people do you personally know that practice Yoruba religion in naija? They have structures built for that in Latin American countries. Structures like that would be demonized in naija.

Smh. No wahala.

FreeStuffsNG:
That they have more devotees over there than here at home in Yorubaland

How many people do you personally know that practice Yoruba religion in naija? They have structures built for that in Latin American countries. Structures like that would be demonized in naija.

Vergovert:


Orunmila is a messenger who interpret the words of these Orisas.


Have you seen Orunmila shrine before?

Orunmila shrine would be full of incense and many astronomy tools to harness and shift the powers of the stars moons planets and sun and other planetary bodies like comets asteroids meteoroids bollides meteor-showers etc etc. it's a planetary wizard and magician. A man who can move the elements. A wizard

DeOTR:

The bottom line is, he's not liked by many people, maybe because of the nature of his assignment.

You should say he's not liked by Abrahamic religion adherents .

In Yoruba religion,they worship him , appreciate his effort to keep balance and appease him not to do them harm .

Brazil has started again. they have forgotten in a Hurry what happened after the other festival they did, where they mocked Jesus.
They are at it again

HEAVEN4444:
the devil is a messenger of God but not an enemy of God. He works with God to put punishment to those that sin. He and God are always discussing who needs to be punished ( book of job chapter 1 vs 5

The thing I have noticed about IFA and orisa Is that nobody knows what they are talking about about. Even so called IFA and orisa experts don't know what they are talking about about. To be astute in the orisas you have to master universal mythology and egyptology and the Bible and astrology amongst other disciplines without which you can never be a master in IFA and orisa

The devil wanted to ursurped God and sent to earth for his punishment but Esu never rebel against Olodumare/God.

God didn't send Devil to Job ,he's the one that brought the idea ,God only grant him permission. Devil is in hellfire or will be in hellfire but Esu is not and there's no hell fire in Yoruba religion.

You lied that no one knows what they're talking about IFA and Orishas . Odu IFA is a stand alone course and has no relationship with any foreign interference.

chigoziri2403:
Meanwhile in 9ja, bandits have chased away all the ancestors and gods from their place of abode, while other countries help us to preserve our culture

🤣🤣🤣🤣 bandits chased away ancestors

OneOnland:
Oh, he's one of my favorite gods. The god of precise hunting, and also quite the path finder.

Ogun, Oya, Osanyin, Osoosi, Esu Odara, and Obatala in that order are the gods of Yoruba I'm most fascinated about.

One of his story was that his mother, Yemoja was behind him, and did shoot an arrow to the front, and parallel like the earth, so straight, the arrow went and shot his mother. That wasn't his intent, although, but tells the story of his straight arrow'ing and backfiring.

Mine is Esu Odara

Yoruba to the world

HEAVEN4444:
he, Orunmila is Oduduwa and obatala. Different names same entity. Orunmila is the name when he has ascended to the throne, Oduduwa is the name when he falls down to earth from heaven aka fallen from the throne and Obatala is the name when he is on the throne

Yoruba's have a primordial list of gods .

Obatala:- the orisa Nla. The one who moulds the destiny of Man

Esu:- the trickster god. Representing the negative hand or energies of life. But can be placated.

Orunmila was never a god. But the original priest of the Ifa divination system , given by Olodumare the Creator, to the Yoruba's. Ifá is not a God, but a system.

HydraFeeds:


You should say he's not liked by Abrahamic religion adherents .

In Yoruba religion,they worship him , appreciate his effort to keep balance and appease him not to do them harm .

How many dedicated Esu worshippers have you come across? There's nothing like Yoruba religion. We as a people believe in Olodumare, and use the lesser gods as intercessors. Esu is not by any chance a favorite one. I'm privileged to know a lot about traditional stuffs owing to the fact that that Grandpa is an initiate. I used to be too. I'm from a family of powerful people, most of whom were never exposed to any other religion. None of them Esu, so this is not a foreign religion thing. Maybe not a perfect parallel with the biblical satan, but those that use his name as a Yoruba translation of the satan know people don't worship him openly the same way they worship other gods.

Goodvibes007:
If Osun state was serious, they could make so much money from Tourism by repackaging the Yoruba gods, and there are about 53 of them in total.

As una all dey package Christianity for sale ba? Not everything is for sale o, otherwise in this case the gods never stay silent. They offer swift anger.

caye:

Yoruba's have a primordial list of gods .

Obatala:- the orisa Nla. The one who moulds the destiny of Man

Esu:- the trickster god. Representing the negative hand or energies of life. But can be placated.

Orunmila was never a god. But the original priest of the Ifa divination system , given by Olodumare the Creator, to the Yoruba's. Ifá is not a God, but a system.

well you know god just means power. Is he Orunmila in a position of power ? Not every god is worshipped. The reason you worship other gods is because they are representations of Satan and Satan wants to be worshipped and ired however Orunmila is created in the image of God and knows he is not to be worshipped as he is just a medium to God

Oxygen1998:
Brazil has started again. they have forgotten in a Hurry what happened after the other festival they did, where they mocked Jesus.
They are at it again

Stop talking nonsense bro how did they mock God and what happened, i know you're referring to one lame blog post that was shared last year it's all rumor from hungry bloggers and you

HydraFeeds:


The devil wanted to ursurped God and sent to earth for his punishment but Esu never rebel against Olodumare/God.

God didn't send Devil to Job ,he's the one that brought the idea ,God only grant him permission. Devil is in hellfire or will be in hellfire but Esu is not and there's no hell fire in Yoruba religion.

You lied that no one knows what they're talking about IFA and Orishas . Odu IFA is a stand alone course and has no relationship with any foreign interference.

devil wanted to usurp the man created in Gods image but not God, nobody can usurp God. And IFA is not a standalone system. It was crafted from the spiritual forces that govern the planet. Same system exists everywhere with the deities having different names eg sango is thor etc etc but the Yoruba system is a more robust system

DeOTR:

How many dedicated Esu worshippers have you come across? There's nothing like Yoruba religion. We as a people believe in Olodumare, and use the lesser gods as intercessors. Esu is not by any chance a favorite one. I'm privileged to know a lot about traditional stuffs owing to the fact that that Grandpa is an initiate. I used to be too. I'm from a family of powerful people, most of whom were never exposed to any other religion. None of them Esu, so this is not a foreign religion thing. Maybe not a perfect parallel with the biblical satan, but those that use his name as a Yoruba translation of the satan know people don't worship him openly the same way they worship other gods.

I have a close family (in law) that Esu is their family Orisha and I know two other families that have Esu in their Ojubo.

Orishas are not "lesser gods" , they're simply "Orishas"

That many people don't worship him anymore doesn't invalidate his importance or favouritism ,how many Sango or Ogun worshippers have you come across ? The most prominent worshippers are IFA adherents .

Those that use him as parallel to biblical or Quranic devil were either mischievous or ignorant because they could have used Jesus or Mohammed as parallel to Orunmila as well .

HEAVEN4444:
devil wanted to usurp the man created in Gods image but not God, nobody can usurp God. And IFA is not a standalone system. It was crafted from the spiritual forces that govern the planet. Same system exists everywhere with the deities having different names eg sango is thor etc etc but the Yoruba system is a more robust system

Isaiah 14 literally spoke about how Lucifer wanted to ursurped God.

Christianity itself takes a lot from pre existing religions like Judaism and Zoroastrianism while Islam takes from Christianity , Buddhism, Zoroastrianism etc .

IFA is a stand alone religion because there's no record of direct influence from external religion . We can take the most important story as an example which is the creation myth . Olodumare sent Obatala with some tools then Oduduwa took over when the former slept off but this story is not in any other creation stories .

It's true that religions all over the world has similarities but that doesn't mean one is dependent on another as you said in your previous comment.

It's like under playing the inherent intelligence of IFA adherents.

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HydraFeeds:
Isaiah 14 literally spoke about how Lucifer wanted to ursurped God.

Christianity itself takes a lot from pre existing religions like Judaism and Zoroastrianism while Islam takes from Christianity , Buddhism, Zoroastrianism etc .

IFA is a stand alone religion because there's no record of direct influence from external religion . We can take the most important story as an example which is the creation myth . Olodumare sent Obatala with some tools then Oduduwa took over when the former slept off but this story is not in any other creation stories .

It's true that religions all over the world has similarities but that doesn't mean one is dependent on another as you said in your previous comment.

It's like under playing the inherent intelligence of IFA adherents.

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Lucifer in that Bible verse refers to Babylon which would be modern day America. America is the Lucifer of the modern world. The light bearer which is why they have that huge statue of the light bearer in New York. It's the first thing you see. The light bearer statue. Lucifer. And yes the king of Babylon did try to usurp Gods laws by trying to spread homosexuality and LGBT agenda etc etc on the planet. These things are happening in real time but you people think it's some mystery divine era that happened eons ago. Nothing new under the sun, that which has been is that which shall be.

And IFA is not standalone. The spiritual forces that control the whole planet are the same. The stories are created and culled from the interaction of these forces. Yoruba did not create these forces. They have been here before humans . We are simply creating systems to qualify and quantify it using mythology


As for olodumare sent Obatala with some tools to create the world, that world in question is not a physical creation of the world but an establishment of the right hand divine path so as to bring light into the world and then Obatala who is Adam in the Bible eventually fell asleep on the job and a woman was pulled out of him meaning the empire has now fallen and the serpent was born to bring judgement, eve bore cain, and fallen Obatala is now Oduduwa who fell from heaven down to earth. THIS MYTHOLOGICAL JOURNEY IS NOT FOR FEEBLE MINDED PEOPLE. YOU NEED TO BE CALLED INTO THIS DIVINE DISCIPLINE SO AS TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE ALL THE WISDOMS . All you IFA adherents don't know what you are doing. That's why all your lives are messed up. You are worshipping the devil and invoking forces you don't understand. Within that whole IFA practice there are 99 ways to get destroyed and only 1 way to get to salvation and glory and blessings, hence the saying the path to heaven is very narrow and few people find it . The 99 percent who worship the devil out of ignorance have to mine skulls etc to seek for blessings and glory but if you can find that 1 percent sweet spot ? You don't need to do anything evil or gory. Blessings will just be chasing you upanda

HEAVEN4444:
Lucifer in that Bible verse refers to Babylon which would be modern day America. America is the Lucifer of the modern world. The light bearer which is why they have that huge statue of the light bearer in New York. It's the first thing you see. The light bearer statue. Lucifer. And yes the king of Babylon did try to usurp Gods laws by trying to spread homosexuality and LGBT agenda etc etc on the planet. These things are happening in real time but you people think it's some mystery divine era that happened eons ago. Nothing new under the sun, that which has been is that which shall be.

And IFA is not standalone. The spiritual forces that control the whole planet are the same. The stories are created and culled from the interaction of these forces. Yoruba did not create these forces. They have been here before humans . We are simply creating systems to qualify and quantify it using mythology


As for olodumare sent Obatala with some tools to create the world, that world in question is not a physical creation of the world but an establishment of the right hand divine path so as to bring light into the world and then Obatala who is Adam in the Bible eventually fell asleep on the job and a woman was pulled out of him meaning the empire has now fallen and the serpent was born to bring judgement, eve bore cain, and fallen Obatala is now Oduduwa who fell from heaven down to earth. THIS MYTHOLOGICAL JOURNEY IS NOT FOR FEEBLE MINDED PEOPLE. YOU NEED TO BE CALLED INTO THIS DIVINE DISCIPLINE SO AS TO BE ABLE TO COORDINATE ALL THE WISDOMS

One of the lies of religion is to consider some story as metaphor when it favours them and literal when it favours them that's one of the reasons why I don't practice any religion .

Lucifer is Satan and any other explanation is self ascribed or heresy .

Most of biblical names and stories are adulteration of real stories or epics . For instance ,Moses has similarities with Sargon , Ahaseureus with Xerxes ,Noah story with epic of Gilgamesh etc Babylon exists as a standalone empire but not as a metaphor for USA .

Several biblical scholars have interpreted Daniel visions as USA ,Russia and China but literally kingdoms disappeared in the Bible . So I will refer you to Ecclesiastics that nothing is new under the heaven that whatever that's happening now has happened before therefore it doesn't mean that USA is Babylon and Babylon is Lucifer ,it simply means Babylon has happened before and therefore USA could end up like Babylon . Even,Rome and British Empire happened before USA and they've all fallen .

"Spiritual" forces that control the world is universal but the understanding of humans across different cultures and civilisations are different that's why we have different religions and doctrines .

There's a reason they call some religions like Judaism , Christianity and islam Abrahamic because they originated from single source which is Abraham but they divided along the line ,Judaism stick to Moses ,Christians parted way and follow Jesus while Islam later parted way and followed Mohammed.

IFA doesn't believe in hell fire ,or one saviour or one Abraham or Jesus or Mohammed . Olodumare didn't create heaven and earth in seven days .

In as much as we know that the tools given to Obatala might be metaphor,there's no correlating story that God gave Adam tools to create earth .

Again ,trying to find a correlation or dependence on foreign religions is a sign of inferiority complex and an avenue to downplay the intelligence of Yoruba ancestors that founded Isese. I can tell you that as there's holy spirit in Christianity,there's IFA in Isese and there's AI in tech which all help humans to foresee future or perform better but that doesn't mean their scopes are the same or they share the same origin .

Igbos need to do more on tribal attraction.

The closer truth on afro Brazilians heritage, in relations to Nigeria. The afro Brazilians are more Igbos than yorubas, or any other tribe in Nigeria.


After observation and research, more Brazilians began relating and being fond of the yorubas because right before British took over Nigeria and Lagos in particular, black Brazilians were already captaining ships to africa and some other areas, but with oyibo companies and nations backing them. They were basically workers at first, but after the Brazilian resistance against the portugese armies, in which many afro Brazilians fought with the British against the portugese, that gave many Brazilians a little freedom of movement then, and many afro Brazilians decided to leave Brazil. Those people that took that exodus over years, went to Nigeria, and Lagos in particular, which was under British control. Of course, some of those people went inwards towards current day sw region. There were also some of those that went back to Brazil from sw.

Before anyone gets it twisted, there were also yoruba slaves in brazil before the 1800 years fighting in brazil; But the one thing that should not be over looked, is the ratio of those that went, and those that came back to Africa, in this case Lagos. I can assume that for every one yoruba that went to Brazil, ten or more, came back.



So, the igbos need to get into the tribal attraction business and alliance. The yorubas are ahead in Brazil, because the Brazilians that came back to Africa, mostly came to Lagos and sw. But if you do true tribal test, most Brazilians are igbos.



The igbos need to use articles, a stable society ( Igbos united theme), even better - a confident and progressive Igbo nation.


Igbos was bigger than current day SE and many parts of SS. Igbos was spread (I don't know if it was pre or post slavery. Igbos spread to all of africa. Igbos need to make even 500 to 1000 years ago - igbos, feel good to be Igbos and African.


Go and look at Maxwell chikumbutu, no be igbo related be that.

Go and listen to some African bush men conversing between themselves. Too many chi, nwa, ama, chu, fe, etc. with their new slangs on top.

Go and look at most of some african tribes and see many relations in culture, language (which is not always the case), tribal DNA.


Igbos need to stop letting others flip our people to their tribe. Look at how others are looking at these distant igbos in a financial atm manner, meanwhile igbos will look at them as a community first, then progressive energy ( financial, societal, etc), because they are our siblings.

OneOnland:

What so much could government do if the society for the supposed tourism is averse to it (e.g. Moslems stoning Obatala procession in Ile-Ife, the very home of the Obatala himself)?

^^^

HydraFeeds:


One of the lies of religion is to consider some story as metaphor when it favours them and literal when it favours them that's one of the reasons why I don't practice any religion .

Lucifer is Satan and any other explanation is self ascribed or heresy .

Most of biblical names and stories are adulteration of real stories or epics . For instance ,Moses has similarities with Sargon , Ahaseureus with Xerxes ,Noah story with epic of Gilgamesh etc Babylon exists as a standalone empire but not as a metaphor for USA .

Several biblical scholars have interpreted Daniel visions as USA ,Russia and China but literally kingdoms disappeared in the Bible . So I will refer you to Ecclesiastics that nothing is new under the heaven that whatever that's happening now has happened before therefore it doesn't mean that USA is Babylon and Babylon is Lucifer ,it simply means Babylon has happened before and therefore USA could end up like Babylon . Even,Rome and British Empire happened before USA and they've all fallen .

"Spiritual" forces that control the world is universal but the understanding of humans across different cultures and civilisations are different that's why we have different religions and doctrines .

There's a reason they call some religions like Judaism , Christianity and islam Abrahamic because they originated from single source which is Abraham but they divided along the line ,Judaism stick to Moses ,Christians parted way and follow Jesus while Islam later parted way and followed Mohammed.

IFA doesn't believe in hell fire ,or one saviour or one Abraham or Jesus or Mohammed . Olodumare didn't create heaven and earth in seven days .

In as much as we know that the tools given to Obatala might be metaphor,there's no correlating story that God gave Adam tools to create earth .

Again ,trying to find a correlation or dependence on foreign religions is a sign of inferiority complex and an avenue to downplay the intelligence of Yoruba ancestors that founded Isese. I can tell you that as there's holy spirit in Christianity,there's IFA in Isese and there's AI in tech which all help humans to foresee future or perform better but that doesn't mean there scopes are the same or they share the same origin .

IFA doesn't believe in helfire ? What do you think the story of sopona and babaluaye is ? You are not learned my friend. These are orishas in hellfire. Sopona and babaluaye

Everything else you wrote up there is trash bro