NewStats: 3,259,708 , 8,170,710 topics. Date: Sunday, 25 May 2025 at 07:24 PM 1t5a70

DaddyCoool:


And they'd still be talking crap

Because you prefer the lie...

It's your life anyway...live it as you deem fit.

sonmvayina:


Because you prefer the lie...

It's your life anyway...live it as you deem fit.

If you say something without an iota of ing evidence or quoting the Bible or any authority, you're talking crap

DaddyCoool:


Rome couldn't have invented Jesus. They'd invent someone that flatters them and their emperor and put them in good light!

That is what they did with Jesus..

The Jewish Messiah is a man from the line of david through Solomon. He will be anointed king and deliver the Jewish people from their enemies around them.
He is not coming to die for sins as God has already given them the solution to the problem of sin see 2nd chronicles 7:14.
The Messiah will usher in a world wide era of peace. Isaiah actually said that "men will hammer their swords into ploughshares and learn of wars no more..."
That has not happened, when they realise that their Jesus did not meet that requirement, they created the idea of a second coming....

All to deceive....I saw through everything.

DaddyCoool:


Jews even tried to stone Him for using the divine "I am", recognizing He was claiming to be God

story, this is why they picked up stones
John.8.58 Jesus answered, "The truth is, I existed before Abraham was even born!"

They saw him as crazy and a liar but later again they wanted to stone him because they like you thought Jesus called himself God

John.10.32 - Jesus said, "At my Father's direction I have done many things to help the people. For which one of these good deeds are you killing me?"
John.10.33 - They replied, "Not for any good work, but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, have made yourself God."

but Jesus corrected them and said why do you call it blasphemy for me to call myself God's son when I am send from him. He called himself the Holy one, the son of God and explained that he and God are in agreement well they went from wanting to kill him to arresting him

John.10.36 - why do you call it blasphemy when the Holy One who was sent into the world by the Father says, 'I am the Son of God'?
John.10.38 - But if I do his work, believe in what I have done, even if you don't believe me. Then you will realize that the Father is in me, and I am in the Father."
John.10.39 - Once again they tried to arrest him, but he got away and left them.


If Jesus said he is God, then under the law he is meant to be killed and he would die a sinner. Do you understand and if he is God and lied about it, well then he would have been a liar. But none of that happened from beginning till the end, even though he didn't broadcast it, he itted to being the son of God. Let's not act like we are wiser than him.

DaddyCoool:


If you say something without an iota of ing evidence or quoting the Bible or any authority, you're talking crap

Why don't you do a little bit of research instead of waiting to be spoon fed...

The Internet is not only for watching porn you know...

DaddyCoool:


We are 100% sure He is God, worthy of worship. We may not fully understand mechanics of it all

you don't understand anything because the devil is am author of confusion, yet you claim to be sure of what you don't even understand.


Don't you even realize that God gives understanding and true wisdom is from above


All this nonsensical mysteries men and devils and trying to twist out from scripture will only bring death.


Worship the lamb of God, have you not read revelations. Why have you decided to become ignorant of what is plainly written to you and choose to be blinded by mysteries revealed by blinded men heading to hell...

DaddyCoool:

This Google below or another one?

That is because Ai is using the the secular definition of being.
However, when it comes to the Trinity the word "being" means essence.
Even Google its it.

Steep:

That is because Ai is using tns3nshe the secular definition of being.
However, when it comes to the Trinity the word "being" means essence.
Even Google its it.

AI instantly searches millions of pages and gives the consensus answer. Any normal person you tell "the same being who robbed me yesterday came back again today" will instantly know you mean the same exact person!

DaddyCoool:


AI instantly searches millions of pages and gives the consensus answer. Any normal person you tell "the same being who robbed me yesterday came back again today" will instantly know you mean the same exact person!

well the say Ai researched this out.

GothamCities:


Does that negate the fact that the Messiah is from everlasting? No!

Jesus was not fully God in the days of His flesh. Neither was He fully man.

Modified

Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. My statement above was in error but I appreciate my brother, Steep for correcting me.

However, to answer the question of why Christ didn't know the time of His coming, it is not a matter of Christ not being all knowing but a matter of respecting the separate responsibilities of the Father and Son. The matter of the timing is exclusively the Father's responsibility.

Why the confusion?
There's is the trinity. The father, the son and the holy spirit.
Jesus never pretended to be the father, reason he always committed his activities to prayers before embarking on them. He wasn't praying to himself. Also on the cross he prayed for the possibility of the "cup ing by" but prophecy and purpose had to be fulfilled which he also knew. So the trinity is intact, and explains the question you were asked. Great write up. Thanks

sonmvayina:


God is the universal divine consciousness...

Not a jewish man up in the sky.

There's no one in the sky.

sonmvayina:


Believe whatever you want...

Mine is to drop knowledge, not beliefs..

To just drop knowledge?

The end point of knowledge is actions, and actions come from a belief in that knowledge.

By the way, I am not dropping beliefs, I am sharing knowledge, and hopefully, I think, am having a conversation.

AntiChristian:


AI has replaced Holy spirit! Jesus is God! Partial God! Fully God! Hermaphroditic man-God!

Whichever one you choose will never be logical to any sane individual.

You don't need Holy spirit to understand the Bible any longer just be Jewish! No wonder Jews have the largest number of Christians in the world lol. Even Jesus's people only use him for excursions and tourism.

Trinity has distinct roles. How does this make sense to you all? The father is in heaven! The son can come to earth and be born as a human! The father can send both the son and spirit around! Can the father come to the earth like the son did? Can the son/spirit send the father around like He does them?

Jesus is not All-knowing! Even the spirit too! Jesus had to get close to the fig tree to know it had no fruit.

Alhamdulillah!

Since U relying on Jewish interpretation of the scripture to debunk Christians...if I bring evidence from Jewish scriptures that confirms the trinity is true would U accept it?

sonmvayina:


It is a big insult against the creator of the universe...
This idea was first started by Philo of Alexandria. He was the one who put forward the idea of a logos. He thought that the logos was distinct from the creator but part of it.
Justin Martyre took the idea even further and added a third entity....which at the beginning was a feminine entity. And was often symbolized as a dove..
Then when Nicaea came round, the new established church ran with the idea and incorporated it in their creed.
It is all bull crap. God is one. Not three in one. He is the creator and can NEVER be part of creation. You can never be part of the soup you created and none of the ingredients in the soup can become like you....does not make any sense.
Meanwhile I have read the whole of Micah 5. All these rubbish you guys are arguing about is not even there...

If I bring evidence from Jewish scriptures itself showing the logos created the earth, would U accept?

gohf:

The Greek eimi means I exist and can also be used to mean I was. So you are wrong

The same word I AM was the name given by God to Moses.
I AM in Hebrew means YAHWEH.
I AM is not a phrase U use carelessly amongst the 2nd ancient Jews...it's blasphemy.
But Jesus said I AM as a sentence on its own.
That's why they wanted they picked up stone to kill him.

gohf:
bible never said so

Timothy 3:16 in Greek does not have the word God in it, what is written is, mystery of godliness who was manifestated in the flesh and justified by the spirit and seen of angels...

Colossians 2:9 doesn't call Jesus God, but said in him dwells the fullness of God something John wrote Jesus said when he said the Father is in him, and the word there is theotetos referring to God's divine nature in him.


Now if Jesus is God because he is full of God, are we the Holy Spirit because we are full of the Spirit?

It's like U don't get it.
Colossians 2.9 said 'for in Christ lies the fullness of Godhead deity in bodily form'
That means the divinity of God dwells inside Jesus.
WHAT MADE THE FATHER GOD- HIS DIVINITY ALSO DWELLS IN JESUS.

We don't have the holy spirit physically in us. What we have is the manifestation of the holy spirit in us- just like in the prophets of old.

But the divinity of the Father physically dwells in Jesus.
Do U get it now?

sonmvayina:


That is what they did with Jesus..

The Jewish Messiah is a man from the line of david through Solomon. He will be anointed king and deliver the Jewish people from their enemies around them.
He is not coming to die for sins as God has already given them the solution to the problem of sin see 2nd chronicles 7:14.
The Messiah will usher in a world wide era of peace. Isaiah actually said that "men will hammer their swords into ploughshares and learn of wars no more..."
That has not happened, when they realise that their Jesus did not meet that requirement, they created the idea of a second coming....

All to deceive....I saw through everything.

Mr Man stop the crap.
The ancient Jews believed in the divine messiah.
I can give U bible verse to this if U want.
Start with Daniel 7.

sonmvayina:


That is what they did with Jesus..

The Jewish Messiah is a man from the line of david through Solomon. He will be anointed king and deliver the Jewish people from their enemies around them.
He is not coming to die for sins as God has already given them the solution to the problem of sin see 2nd chronicles 7:14.
The Messiah will usher in a world wide era of peace. Isaiah actually said that "men will hammer their swords into ploughshares and learn of wars no more..."
That has not happened, when they realise that their Jesus did not meet that requirement, they created the idea of a second coming....

All to deceive....I saw through everything.

Are you ok. How is that what they did with Jesus??

How can they invent someone who said their mighty gods were useless and their god-emperor was a lowly sinner like everyone else and not anything like a god at all.
How can they invent a just, innocent person they themselves crucified despite itting he was innocent! How does that put them in good light? Wouldn't you invent someone who'd be saying you're the best people on earth?? Then all His disciples and apostles they invented cruelly feeding to lions and crucifying!
Please mention one thing in Christianity that puts Rome in good light!

SIRTee15:


Since U relying on Jewish interpretation of the scripture to debunk Christians...if I bring evidence from Jewish scriptures that confirms the trinity is true would U accept it?

You forgot you don bring am before?
Abeg shift jawe!

SIRTee15:


It's like U don't get it.
Colossians 2.9 said 'for in Christ lies the fullness of Godhead deity in bodily form'
That means the divinity of God dwells inside Jesus.
WHAT MADE THE FATHER GOD- HIS DIVINITY ALSO DWELLS IN JESUS.

We don't have the holy spirit physically in us. What we have is the manifestation of the holy spirit in us- just like in the prophets of old.

But the divinity of the Father physically dwells in Jesus.
Do U get it now?

so God that Jesus is seating at the right side of is actually inside Jesus? So Apostle John, Stephen, Paul and the rest were lying 🤥 when they said Jesus is seated at the right hand of God

AntiChristian:


You forgot you don bring am before?
Abeg shift jawe!

I didn't bring it
You said U would reject it even if it confirms trinity and I left it there....
Now that U yapping about Jewish scriptures again...I need to reset your brain by reminding U of reality in Jewish scriptures.

SIRTee15:

The same word I AM was the name given by God to Moses.
I AM in Hebrew means YAHWEH.
I AM is not a phrase U use carelessly amongst the 2nd ancient Jews...it's blasphemy.
But Jesus said I AM as a sentence on its own.
That's why they wanted they picked up stone to kill him.

if you reject the truth no one else should be blamed

So I AM GOHF, means YAHWEH GOHF

God said in Exodus 3:14 I am who I am, eh yeh asah eh yeh, and he also said in verse 15, the God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob


When God revealed his name was in Exodus 6:3.


Who God is, and what the name of God is.


The eh yeh, is from hayah, showing that He is creator, the one who spoke and it came to be

And that's why his name is also understood to mean the combination of the two hayah hayah


Jesus never said I am that I am, so because I say I am means I am God and you believe it, it is well with you smh

Steep:
Jesus not knowing the day of his coming means it is not his responsibility but the father.

Just like Jesus talking about the temple of His God (Revelation 3) means it is not His responsibility to have a temple, right? The kind of mental gymnastics trinitarian carry out to justify unbiblical stuff is mindboggling.

gohf:
if you reject the truth no one else should be blamed

So I AM GOHF, means YAHWEH GOHF

God said in Exodus 3:14 I am who I am, eh yeh asah eh yeh, and he also said in verse 15, the God of Abraham, God of Isaac, God of Jacob


When God revealed his name was in Exodus 6:3.


Who God is, and what the name of God is.


The eh yeh, is from hayah, showing that He is creator, the one who spoke and it came to be

And that's why his name is also understood to mean the combination of the two hayah hayah


Jesus never said I am that I am, so because I say I am means I am God and you believe it, it is well with you smh

God told Moses' Tell the people of Israel I AM has sent U'
Yes God told Moses his name is I AM.
Both bible and Jewish scholars agreed I AM pronunciation in ancient Hebrew sounds very much like Yahweh.

When Jesus said before Abraham was, I AM. The grammatical structure of the sentence doesn't make any sense if I AM is not used nominally. Jesus used 'I AM' phrase as a noun and not a verb.

If Jesus simply wanted to express his pre existence or pre awareness he would have said I Was or Abraham knew me.
Exodus 13

13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”

14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

gohf:
so God that Jesus is seating at the right side of is actually inside Jesus? So Apostle John, Stephen, Paul and the rest were lying 🤥 when they said Jesus is seated at the right hand of God

Have U heard of the word anthropomorphism b4?

So U think of heaven is opened, U can make sense of what U see with your physical eyes?

So U think Father has a right hand, and Jesus is seated beside that right hand?
Seriously?

Do U know what it meant in Hebrew tradition when they say 'he's seated on the right hand' ?

SIRTee15:


God told Moses' Tell the people of Israel I AM has sent U'
Yes God told Moses his name is I AM.
Both bible and Jewish scholars agreed I AM pronunciation in ancient Hebrew sounds very much like Yahweh.

When Jesus said before Abraham was, I AM. The grammatical structure of the sentence doesn't make any sense if I AM is not used nominally. Jesus used 'I AM' phrase as a noun and not a verb.

If Jesus simply wanted to express his pre existence or pre awareness he would have said I Was or Abraham knew me.
Exodus 13

13 Moses said to God, “Suppose I go to the Israelites and say to them, ‘The God of your fathers has sent me to you,’ and they ask me, ‘What is his name?’ Then what shall I tell them?”

14 God said to Moses, “I am who I am.[c] This is what you are to say to the Israelites: ‘I AM has sent me to you.’”

The grammar makes sense, you are just forcing it not to.

I have already told you what "eimi" in Greek is, but didn't refute it but refuse it, trying to logical prove from one misunderstood indirecr sentence that Jesus is God while denying the many clear statements in the Bible that calls him the son of God and not God. Shows the nature at work within you, to reject the truth for the sake of your traditional understanding of things.


Would it make any difference to you if Jesus wasn't God and is just the son of God and is at the right hand of God, is that not sufficient for you but no, you must contradict God Himself and make Him a liar who hide that there were other gods beside him, who hide that his son is God as well yet claimed to be God alone.


The devil is author of confusion and the father of lies, but from God comes wisdom and understanding and revelation.

SIRTee15:


Have U heard of the word anthropomorphism b4?

So U think of heaven is opened, U can make sense of what U see with your physical eyes?

So U think Father has a right hand, and Jesus is seated beside that right hand?
Seriously?

Do U know what it meant in Hebrew tradition when they say 'he's seated on the right hand' ?

instead of merely asking why don't you answer

To answer you, yes God has a right hand and from scripture we understand that the hand of God is not like the hand of man. and yes I know what it means when the Holy Spirit reveals that Jesus is at the right hand of God.

gohf:
instead of merely asking why don't you answer

To answer you, yes God has a right hand and from scripture we understand that the hand of God is not like the hand of man. and yes I know what it means when the Holy Spirit reveals that Jesus is at the right hand of God.

Guy U are a baby when it comes to Christian theology.
You need to do lots of reading my friend.

How can U boldly say God has a right hand- whatever way U want to depict it when the bible clearly states God is a spirit and he's invisible?

Seriously U need to read more.

gohf:


The grammar makes sense, you are just forcing it not to.

I have already told you what "eimi" in Greek is, but didn't refute it but refuse it, trying to logical prove from one misunderstood indirecr sentence that Jesus is God while denying the many clear statements in the Bible that calls him the son of God and not God. Shows the nature at work within you, to reject the truth for the sake of your traditional understanding of things.


Would it make any difference to you if Jesus wasn't God and is just the son of God and is at the right hand of God, is that not sufficient for you but no, you must contradict God Himself and make Him a liar who hide that there were other gods beside him, who hide that his son is God as well yet claimed to be God alone.


The devil is author of confusion and the father of lies, but from God comes wisdom and understanding and revelation.

Ok do U now agree I AM is the name of God?

I have no problem with Jesus being the son of God. But if Jesus is not God, then it means the Father sent another being to be killed so He can forgive humanity- father sacrificed his son kind of arrangement.
That looks like human sacrifice to me and it's called paganism. God hates human sacrifice.

Jesus is not another being/existence sent to shed his blood for mankind. Instead, the father put his own divinity inside a prepared body for the work of atonement. He didn't send someone else.

SIRTee15:


Ok do U now agree I AM is the name of God?

I have no problem with Jesus being the son of God. But if Jesus is not God, then it means the Father sent another being to be killed so He can forgive humanity- father sacrificed his son kind of arrangement.
That looks like human sacrifice to me and it's called paganism. God hates human sacrifice.

Jesus is not another being/existence sent to shed his blood for mankind. Instead, the father put his own divinity inside a prepared body for the work of atonement. He didn't send someone else.

oh is it because of that that people made up the whole Jesus is God, God came himself to die to enlight an emotional response from him. That's deceptive and manipulative.

God doesn't hate human sacrifice, he hates murder. Offer your bodies as living sacrifice to God. Sacrifice is service, giving your life for God's purpose, martyrs.

It's appointed every man to die, Jesus becoming a man was going to die or do you think God sent a God to die.

Listen do you understand what John wrote
1John.4.2 By this you may know (perceive and recognize) the Spirit of God: every spirit which acknowledges and confesses [the fact] that Jesus Christ (the Messiah) [actually] has become man and has come in the flesh is of God [has God for its source]; (AMP)
1John.4.3 and every spirit that does not confess that Jesus Christ has come in the flesh is not of God. And this is the spirit of the Antichrist, which you have heard was coming, and is now already in the world. (NKJV)


Ask yourself where does your doctrine, teaching and believe where does it come from?

SIRTee15:


Guy U are a baby when it comes to Christian theology.
You need to do lots of reading my friend.

How can U boldly say God has a right hand- whatever way U want to depict it when the bible clearly states God is a spirit and he's invisible?

Seriously U need to read more.

I do need to read more of God's word and not books and fairly tales and fables of men

But instead of boasting and in your pride call God a liar

Read
2Chr.30.12 Also in Judah the hand of God was to give them one heart to do the commandment of the king and of the princes, by the word of the LORD.

Ezra.8.18 And by the good hand of our God upon us they brought us a man of understanding, of the sons of Mahli, the son of Levi, the son of Israel; and Sherebiah, with his sons and his brethren, eighteen;

Isa.62.3 Thou shalt also be a crown of glory in the hand of the LORD, and a royal diadem in the hand of thy God.

1Pet.5.6 Humble yourselves therefore under the mighty hand of God, that he may exalt you in due time:

Acts.7.55 - But he, being full of the Holy Ghost, looked up stedfastly into heaven, and saw the glory of God, and Jesus standing on the right hand of God,
Rom.8.34 - Who is he that condemneth? It is Christ that died, yea rather, that is risen again, who is even at the right hand of God, who also maketh intercession for us.
Col.3.1 - If ye then be risen with Christ, seek those things which are above, where Christ sitteth on the right hand of God.
Heb.10.12 - But this man, after he had offered one sacrifice for sins for ever, sat down on the right hand of God;
Heb.10.31 - It is a fearful thing to fall into the hands of the living God.
1Pet.3.22 - Who is gone into heaven, and is on the right hand of God; angels and authorities and powers being made subject unto him.

Ezek.8.1 - And it came to in the sixth year, in the sixth month, in the fifth day of the month, as I sat in mine house, and the elders of Judah sat before me, that the hand of the Lord GOD fell there upon me.
Mark.16.19 - So then after the Lord had spoken unto them, he was received up into heaven, and sat on the right hand of God.


Job.27.11 - I will teach you by the hand of God: that which is with the Almighty will I not conceal.
Eccl.9.1 - For all this I considered in my heart even to declare all this, that the righteous, and the wise, and their works, are in the hand of God: no man knoweth either love or hatred by all that is before them.

gohf:


Whether is it Olam or qedem, whether you take it as everlasting or ancient times

My question for you, so Jesus is God because he came from ancient times and from everlasting.

So is the devil also god or he didn't come from ancient times?

Why are you treating Jesus coming from everlasting like it's something different from Jesus coming from God? Where in micah 5 was Jesus referred to as God?

No use story answer me please

The devil had a beginning. He didn't come from everlasting. It's he Bible that said Jesus came from Everlasting. Not me.