| Steep(m): 6:45pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
You can't make up your own English. We've gone to Google and Merriam-webster, the smartest sources we have - and they both say "same being" means same exact person
I didn't make up anything
No 2 definition the definition of a being used in describing the Trinity.
This is Oxford dictionary. You can see that there are atleast four definition of a being.
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| DaddyCoool(f): 6:51pm On Jan 04 |
Steep:
No 2 definition the definition of a being used in describing the Trinity.
This is Oxford dictionary. You can see that there are atleast four definition of a being.
Yeah, but this is second definition of one source. You've been shown the consensus number one definition of all sources (Google).
Bottom line:
Stop saying Jesus is same being as the Father. Say instead that Jesus is of same essence as the Father
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| Steep(m): 6:56pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
Yeah, but this is second definition of one source. You've been shown the consensus number one definition of all sources (Google).
Bottom line:
Stop saying Jesus is same being as the Father. Say instead that Jesus is of same essence as the Father
Here is another one, when the word being is used in describing the Trinity it does not mean person.
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| DaddyCoool(f): 7:12pm On Jan 04 |
Steep:
Here is another one, when the word being is used in describing the Trinity it does not mean person.
Well, if you say "same being", almost everyone, including Google, understands it to mean same person. Just say "is of same essence" like the Naecene creed does
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| sonmvayina(m): 7:13pm On Jan 04 |
Nachmonides:
The Bible is not about all these Orishas. You are wrong.
The Bible is centered on the works, character, and will of the Almighty God—Yahweh. It recounts His creation, His covenant with humanity (particularly Israel), His redemptive plan through Jesus Christ, and His ultimate purposes for creation. The focus is on His sovereignty, holiness, love, and justice.
Acknowledgment of Other Spiritual Beings:
The Bible does acknowledge the existence of other spiritual beings or "gods," such as those worshipped by surrounding nations (e.g., Baal, Asherah, Molech). However, it consistently presents them as:
Subordinate to Yahweh, the Creator of all things.
Often as idols or human-made constructs, lacking true divinity (e.g., Psalm 96:5, Jeremiah 10:5).
Occasionally as fallen or rebellious spiritual beings (e.g., Deuteronomy 32:17, Psalm 82).
The Bible emphasizes the singularity and supremacy of Yahweh:
Monotheism: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" (Deuteronomy 6:4).
Creator of all: Even spiritual beings, including angels and demons, owe their existence to Him (Colossians 1:16).
Supreme authority: Other beings operate only under His allowance or judgment (e.g., Job 1:6-12, Psalm 82).
God is the universal divine consciousness...
Not a jewish man up in the sky.
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| sonmvayina(m): 7:14pm On Jan 04 |
Nachmonides:
Stop with these inaccuracies at once.
According to Jewish tradition, the Torah (the first five books of the Bible) was written by Moses under divine inspiration, long before the Babylonian exile . This view is central to Jewish and Christian beliefs.
The Babylonian exile exposed the Hebrews to Mesopotamian culture and literature, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Code of Hammurabi. Some parallels in themes, laws, and stories (like the flood narrative) suggest cultural exchanges or shared motifs. The Torah had been in existence even before the exile into Babylon.
However, the Torah's unique theological and ethical focus sets it apart, emphasizing monotheism and covenantal relationships with God.
During the exile, the Torah likely served to unify the Hebrew people, preserve their identity, and codify their laws and history in a foreign land.
It became a central text for worship and instruction as the Temple was no longer accessible.
Believe whatever you want...
Mine is to drop knowledge, not beliefs..
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| sonmvayina(m): 7:21pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
And how do you know all these? Or we're just to take your word for it just because you said it?
There is only one God (consciousness).
I do a lot of comparative studies....
I know which is which...
Enki is obantala...is the creative force of God
Thor is Amadioha in Igbo and sango in Yoruba. They all represent Thunder and lightning..I think he is Ninurta in the Babylonian pantheon..
The Bible is about stories about them..
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| sonmvayina(m): 7:24pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
Nope. We're discussing the Bible and deity of Christ. Unless you wish to open another thread
Jesus is just a Roman Catholic construct.. God is neither a man or a human being.
How does human beings turn to deity?
And how does deities turn to human being. I mean the processes. I know how eggs turn to larvae.it is a process called metamorphosis.
Nothing more...
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| DaddyCoool(f): 7:24pm On Jan 04 |
sonmvayina:
There is only one God (consciousness).
I do a lot of comparative studies....
I know which is which...
Enki is obantala...is the creative force of God
Thor is Amadioha in Igbo and sango in Yoruba. They all represent Thunder and lightning..I think he is Ninurta in the Babylonian pantheon..
The Bible is about stories about them..
These are declarative statements from YOU.
I can equally say "the universe was created yesterday and all our brains programed to think it is old". Possible, but HOW do I know?!
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| DaddyCoool(f): 7:28pm On Jan 04 |
sonmvayina:
Jesus is just a Roman Catholic construct.. God is neither a man or a human being.
How does human beings turn to deity?
And how does deities turn to human being. I mean the processes. I know how eggs turn to larvae.it is a process called metamorphosis.
Nothing more...
Why would Romans construct God that supplabts all the gods that helped them conquer.the world AND who says their god-emperor was just another sinful man??
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| Steep(m): 7:33pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
Well, if you say "same being", almost everyone, including Google, understands it to mean same person. Just say "is of same essence" like the Naecene creed does
The same Google also say this below
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| Steep(m): 7:35pm On Jan 04 |
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@daddycool, oops google seems to agree with me that a person is not the same as a being,
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| sonmvayina(m): 7:40pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
Why would Romans construct God that supplabts all the gods that helped them conquer.the world AND who says their god-emperor was just another sinful man??
I don't understand you.
But the man you read about in the new testament is a Roman Catholic invention....
The creator of heaven and earth is not a Jewish man. He has no physical form. He created all and is sovereign over all his creation.
They left that and created a man as God(in their own image and likeness). That is idolatry no matter how you look at it...
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| sonmvayina(m): 7:42pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
These are declarative statements from YOU.
I can equally say "the universe was created yesterday and all our brains programed to think it is old". Possible, but HOW do I know?!
Well, it is what it is....if you meet a sincere scholar in the ivory towers of the world. They would still say that much.
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| Steep(m): 7:44pm On Jan 04 |
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| DaddyCoool(f): 7:56pm On Jan 04 |
Steep:
The same Google also say this below
Of course - Google knows you're alluding to Trinity. Quite different from saying same being
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| DaddyCoool(f): 7:58pm On Jan 04 |
sonmvayina:
I don't understand you.
But the man you read about in the new testament is a Roman Catholic invention....
The creator of heaven and earth is not a Jewish man. He has no physical form. He created all and is sovereign over all his creation.
They left that and created a man as God(in their own image and likeness). That is idolatry no matter how you look at it...
Rome couldn't have invented Jesus. They'd invent someone that flatters them and their emperor and put them in good light!
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| DaddyCoool(f): 7:59pm On Jan 04 |
sonmvayina:
Well, it is what it is....if you meet a sincere scholar in the ivory towers of the world. They would still say that much.
And they'd still be talking crap
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| gohf: 8:26pm On Jan 04 |
GothamCities:
Does that negate the fact that the Messiah is from everlasting? No!
Jesus was not fully God in the days of His flesh. Neither was He fully man.
Modified
Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. My statement above was in error but I appreciate my brother, Steep for correcting me.
However, to answer the question of why Christ didn't know the time of His coming, it is not a matter of Christ not being all knowing but a matter of respecting the separate responsibilities of the Father and Son. The matter of the timing is exclusively the Father's responsibility.
all this talk yet both before and after are in error
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| gohf: 8:30pm On Jan 04 |
GothamCities:
Even when Jesus said in John 8:58, "Before Abraham was, I am" The statement cannot be attributed to someone who had a begining.
The correct statement for a man to make even if such a man had existed before Abraham is "Before Abraham was, I was ."
But Jesus didn't say, He was. He said 'He is ' "Before Abraham was, I am". Meaning I have always being. I've always been existing before Abraham. I have no beginning. I am. There's no time in which I have not existed. I have always existed. I am. Not, "I was."
The Greek eimi means I exist and can also be used to mean I was. So you are wrong
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| DaddyCoool(f): 8:34pm On Jan 04 |
GothamCities:
Does that negate the fact that the Messiah is from everlasting? No!
Jesus was not fully God in the days of His flesh. Neither was He fully man.
Modified
Jesus Christ is fully God and fully man. My statement above was in error but I appreciate my brother, Steep for correcting me.
However, to answer the question of why Christ didn't know the time of His coming, it is not a matter of Christ not being all knowing but a matter of respecting the separate responsibilities of the Father and Son. The matter of the timing is exclusively the Father's responsibility.
#bolded, WRONG! I corrected you first - before Steep even posted anything on this thread: https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/8308121/ot-verse-strongly-proves-jesus#133568561
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| Steep(m): 8:37pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
Of course - Google knows you're alluding to Trinity. Quite different from saying same being
🤦♂️dude, goggle literally told you what Christians believe about the Trinity.
Jesus and the father are same being but different persons, because I'm describing the Trinity a person is not same as being.
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| gohf: 8:47pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
Well, the Bible says He was fully God. See below.
"Fully God" implies "fully all-knowing". No?
bible never said so
Timothy 3:16 in Greek does not have the word God in it, what is written is, mystery of godliness who was manifestated in the flesh and justified by the spirit and seen of angels...
Colossians 2:9 doesn't call Jesus God, but said in him dwells the fullness of God something John wrote Jesus said when he said the Father is in him, and the word there is theotetos referring to God's divine nature in him.
Now if Jesus is God because he is full of God, are we the Holy Spirit because we are full of the Spirit?
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| gohf: 8:52pm On Jan 04 |
GothamCities:
This brings us to a better understanding of what Jesus said in Acts 1:7. Honestly, I have struggled to understand that verse until tonight.
When the disciples were asking the Lord Jesus about the timing of His second coming, He answered them in Acts 1:7 which states:
"It is not for you to know the times or the seasons, which the Father hath put in his own power."
The right thing Jesus was supposed to say is "...the time and the seasons which only the Father knows." If He had said that, it would have put a question on His omniscience. But He said the Father puts that in His power. I actually didn't understand the putting in His power phrase until tonight after reading the response from my brother Nachmonides.
Now, I understand that Jesus is speaking to His disciples here, telling them that it's not their responsibility to know the timing of the future event, - the restoration of the kingdom to Israel which happens only during the second coming. He emphasized that God the Father has reserved the right to determine the timing of the event, and it's not for humans to know or speculate about the exact timing.
This further proves that it's not a matter of Christ not being all knowing but a matter of understanding the individual roles in the Trinity.
DaddyCoool.
so Jesus is not fully God but a partial some knowing God?
Even when all revelation has been given to him and through him!
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| gohf: 8:56pm On Jan 04 |
GothamCities:
Do I need to be arguing with you?
Look at the screenshot below and see the real meaning of the Hebrew Word "Owlams" that was translated "Everlasting". That word does not mean Ancient times. The Jews translated it that way because they cannot come to with the fact that the Messiah who will be born of a woman is God. It's a deceptive translation at best. Just as the deception of the Jehovah Witnesses.
Whether is it Olam or qedem, whether you take it as everlasting or ancient times
My question for you, so Jesus is God because he came from ancient times and from everlasting.
So is the devil also god or he didn't come from ancient times?
Why are you treating Jesus coming from everlasting like it's something different from Jesus coming from God? Where in micah 5 was Jesus referred to as God?
No use story answer me please
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| DaddyCoool(f): 8:59pm On Jan 04 |
gohf:
so Jesus is not fully God but a partial some knowing God?
Even when all revelation has been given to him and through him!
HE HIMSELF said he did not know everything. He didn't have to say it. He could have said it with some modifications. Instead He said it clearly and succinctly - that at that point He was talking to the apostles He did not know the date of His second coming.
He further said the Father TAUGHT him everything he knew
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| gohf: 8:59pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
Isn't it easier and more honest to say that Christ is God but doesn't know everything?
a god that doesn't know everything 🤣
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| gohf: 9:01pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:
HE HIMSELF said he did not know everything. He didn't have to say it. He could have said it with some modifications. Instead He said it clearly and succinctly - that at that point He was talking to the apostles He did not know the date of His second coming
Speaking about what Jesus said
Did Jesus himself say he is God?
Father and Jesus testify about who he is, did the Father say that Jesus is God?
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| DaddyCoool(f): 9:03pm On Jan 04 |
Steep:
🤦♂️dude, goggle literally told you what Christians believe about the Trinity.
Jesus and the father are same being but different persons, because I'm describing the Trinity a person is not same as being.
This Google below or another one?
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| DaddyCoool(f): 9:06pm On Jan 04 |
gohf:
a god that doesn't know everything 🤣
We are 100% sure He is God, worthy of worship. We may not fully understand mechanics of it all
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| DaddyCoool(f): 9:09pm On Jan 04 |
gohf:
Speaking about what Jesus said
Did Jesus himself say he is God?
Father and Jesus testify about who he is, did the Father say that Jesus is God?
Jews even tried to stone Him for using the divine "I am", recognizing He was claiming to be God
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| gohf: 9:11pm On Jan 04 |
Nachmonides:
There's no disagreement with 1Timothy3:16. It is clear.
On the concept of Trinity, Apostle Paul doesn't explicitly mention the word Trinity, but his writings strongly reflect the concept.
Paul frequently references the Father, Son (Jesus Christ), and Holy Spirit together in a way that suggests their distinct roles yet unified purpose:
2 Corinthians 13:14: "The grace of the Lord Jesus Christ, and the love of God, and the fellowship of the Holy Spirit[/b] be with you all."
Ephesians 4:4–6: "There is one body and [b]one Spirit... one Lord, one faith, one baptism; one God and Father of all."
2. Jesus Christ's Divine Nature
Paul unequivocally affirms Jesus’ divinity:
Same Colossians we are on;
Colossians 2:9: "For in Christ all the fullness of the Deity lives in bodily form."
Philippians 2:6–11: Paul describes Jesus as being in the form of God but humbling Himself to become human and obedient to death, emphasizing His equality with God.
3. The Holy Spirit as Divine
Paul views the Holy Spirit as the presence of God within believers:
Romans 8:9–11: Paul equates the Spirit of God with the Spirit of Christ, showing their unity in divine activity.
1 Corinthians 6:19: "Do you not know that your bodies are temples of the Holy Spirit, who is in you, whom you have received from God?"
4. Paul’s Monotheism
Paul remains firmly rooted in Jewish monotheism, yet he reinterprets it in light of Christ:
1 Corinthians 8:6: "Yet for us there is one God, the Father, from whom all things came... and there is but one Lord, Jesus Christ, through whom all things came and through whom we live." This verse shows Paul integrating Jesus into the Shema (The Shema declares that the Lord (YHWH) is the one and only God, emphasizing monotheism as central to Jewish belief. ) (Deuteronomy 6:4-5), a central affirmation of Jewish monotheism.
You're funny so everything you have written shows that Jesus is not God or are you saying that comes from God is God. Or whatever has divinity is God, so the spirit in us that is divine does it make us God?
Does having God makes one God.
There's only one God, YHVH
And one Lord, Adonai, Jesus Christ
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