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This OT Verse Strongly Proves That Jesus Is God! - All Doubts Cleared (14662 Views)
Steep(m): 12:37pm On Jan 04 |
GothamCities:you are welcome 1 Like |
Steep(m): 1:00pm On Jan 04 |
Janosky:Smh so if christ has the fullness of God's deity does not that make him God? If an animal has the full nature of a lion doesnt that make that animal a lion? Christ having the fullness of God's nature means he can do everything the father can do, it also means he is uncreated because that is one of the attributes of God's nature. Paul attributed God's very essence to christ making christ same being with the father. |
DaddyCoool(f): 1:07pm On Jan 04 |
Steep: Which raises a question: When Christ was crucified was the Father also crucified? |
DaddyCoool(f): 1:41pm On Jan 04 |
sonmvayina: Do you realize that what you are implying about God of the Old Testament is one of three things: either He doesn't exist, or He no longer exists, or he still exists but is now powerless |
Nachmonides: 2:18pm On Jan 04 |
sonmvayina: You are unwise, the Bible teaches monotheism, the belief in one God, who is eternal, omnipotent, and sovereign. In contrast, the myths of Enki and Ninmah come from a polytheistic tradition, where multiple gods, each with specific domains, participate in the act of creation. The Bible explicitly rejects the existence of other gods as true deities (e.g., Isaiah 45:5: “I am the Lord, and there is no other; apart from me there is no God.”). In the Bible, humanity's creation is unique because humans are made in the image of God (Genesis 1:26-27). This reflects a personal and intimate relationship between God and humanity. In Sumerian mythology, humans are often depicted as being created to serve the gods and relieve them of labor, which contrasts with the biblical depiction of humans being created for fellowship with God. |
Nachmonides: 2:23pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool: Who said he was the Father, not me, I said he is God. In another place he says he and the father are one. If he is God, then he must have all the abilities of God, no buts, he must have all the abilities. I take him at his word. It is also logical. Scriptures are simply not meant to be cherry picked, we are meant to read and see the big picture. In another part of the bible, he exhibits divine knowing, and abilities, such that it could only have been God. This cripples any idea of taking scriptures and making them stand-alone. |
DaddyCoool(f): 2:44pm On Jan 04 |
Nachmonides: The first step is to humbly accept that you DON'T and CAN'T understand everything, being hunan with limited human understanding and perspective. The second step is to understand that cerain things are beyond cherry picking and debate. If someone who can't lie says he doesn't know something, no matter how you twist it or where else in the Bible you look, he didn't know that thing at that point! |
Nachmonides: 2:58pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool: Haha, it's useless for me to try to understand everything. However it is useful for me to understand scriptures. That is what it means to be human. Just as how Jesus grew in wisdom. In fact, scriptures call us to study to show ourselves approved... rightly dividing the word of truth. Leave this conversation for those with teeth if you cannot wrap your head around how to explain a material contextually, using corroborative evidence. |
Janosky: 3:34pm On Jan 04 |
Steep:Why would Christ be given the fullness of divine nature by another being his Father? Steep:The Lion bequeaths his nature to his offspring, another Lion. God bequeaths his nature to another being, his son. Steep: You are still not understanding John 17:5 ,7,21-23 the glory given to Christ (fullness of divine quality/nature before creation of the world.) John 17:21-23, 2 Peter 1:4 the fullness of divine nature given to the disciples ,@ John 17:5,7 divine nature given to Jesus. Christ can not be uncreated because @ 2 Peter 1:4 & John 17:7,21-23, Jesus and the disciples were given divine nature they do not possess. Whatever your Father given you is because your Father is the source/Owner of your life. God the Father of ALL created every other being.. |
sonmvayina(m): 3:51pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool: The stories are about consciousness..does consciousness exists? Whether you got that or not is none of my business... |
sonmvayina(m): 3:55pm On Jan 04 |
Nachmonides: The yourubas calls them Orishas. They are not Gods but all aspect of God. FYI the Bible is about all these Orishas...I can bet my entire savings on it. About the annunakis, the gods of old.. The Torah was written when the Hebrews left the Babylonian exile. So most of the information was gotten from there... |
DaddyCoool(f): 3:59pm On Jan 04 |
sonmvayina: Nope. We're discussing the Bible and deity of Christ. Unless you wish to open another thread |
DaddyCoool(f): 4:05pm On Jan 04 |
Nachmonides: It is impossible for you to fully understand spiritual matters as a human being. Even Jesus Christ, his very disciples who knew him very well could not recognize him after his resurrection. How come we never wonder at that? |
DaddyCoool(f): 4:09pm On Jan 04 |
sonmvayina: And how do you know all these? Or we're just to take your word for it just because you said it? |
Nachmonides: 4:12pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool: It's you that never probed it further. |
Nachmonides: 4:16pm On Jan 04 |
sonmvayina: Stop with these inaccuracies at once. According to Jewish tradition, the Torah (the first five books of the Bible) was written by Moses under divine inspiration, long before the Babylonian exile . This view is central to Jewish and Christian beliefs. The Babylonian exile exposed the Hebrews to Mesopotamian culture and literature, such as the Epic of Gilgamesh and the Code of Hammurabi. Some parallels in themes, laws, and stories (like the flood narrative) suggest cultural exchanges or shared motifs. The Torah had been in existence even before the exile into Babylon. However, the Torah's unique theological and ethical focus sets it apart, emphasizing monotheism and covenantal relationships with God. During the exile, the Torah likely served to unify the Hebrew people, preserve their identity, and codify their laws and history in a foreign land. It became a central text for worship and instruction as the Temple was no longer accessible. |
Nachmonides: 4:26pm On Jan 04 |
sonmvayina: The Bible is not about all these Orishas. You are wrong. The Bible is centered on the works, character, and will of the Almighty God—Yahweh. It recounts His creation, His covenant with humanity (particularly Israel), His redemptive plan through Jesus Christ, and His ultimate purposes for creation. The focus is on His sovereignty, holiness, love, and justice. Acknowledgment of Other Spiritual Beings: The Bible does acknowledge the existence of other spiritual beings or "gods," such as those worshipped by surrounding nations (e.g., Baal, Asherah, Molech). However, it consistently presents them as: Subordinate to Yahweh, the Creator of all things. Often as idols or human-made constructs, lacking true divinity (e.g., Psalm 96:5, Jeremiah 10:5). Occasionally as fallen or rebellious spiritual beings (e.g., Deuteronomy 32:17, Psalm 82). The Bible emphasizes the singularity and supremacy of Yahweh: Monotheism: "Hear, O Israel: The Lord our God, the Lord is one" (Deuteronomy 6:4). Creator of all: Even spiritual beings, including angels and demons, owe their existence to Him (Colossians 1:16). Supreme authority: Other beings operate only under His allowance or judgment (e.g., Job 1:6-12, Psalm 82). |
DaddyCoool(f): 4:31pm On Jan 04 |
Nachmonides: You who probed it further, educate us. How come his two disciples heading to Emaus traveled all that distance with him without realizing who he was? |
DaddyCoool(f): 4:39pm On Jan 04 |
Janosky: Do you doubt that Jesus is God, worthy of worship? And can forgive sins? |
Nachmonides: 4:45pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool: I'd have to respond with a question; How could he appear to his disciples in a room that was locked? John 20:19: > "On the evening of that first day of the week, when the disciples were together, with the doors locked for fear of the Jewish leaders, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you!’" John 20:26 (similar event a week later): > "Though the doors were locked, Jesus came and stood among them and said, ‘Peace be with you!’" |
DaddyCoool(f): 4:49pm On Jan 04 |
Nachmonides: Answer: He is God and can easily perform such miracles |
Nachmonides: 4:59pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool: You have your answer. |
DaddyCoool(f): 5:06pm On Jan 04 |
Nachmonides: Have my answer what? Answer the question. How come he fished with his disciples in John 21 and ate breakfast with them but they wanted to ask him who he was?
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Steep(m): 5:29pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:Of course the father is another person distinct from the Son |
DaddyCoool(f): 5:35pm On Jan 04 |
Steep: How does this tally with your statement below? "Paul attributed God's very essence to christ making christ same being with the father." |
Steep(m): 5:40pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:Jesus christ and God the Father share same essence or are one being but separate persons. Another way of putting it is that the divine being God is a tri-personal being unlike you and I, who are mono-personal beings. |
DaddyCoool(f): 5:46pm On Jan 04 |
Steep: I see what the problem is: you don't know what "same being" means. See below |
Nachmonides: 5:48pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool: You seem to like Google. Google what the he used means. Tri-personal being Mono-personal being |
DaddyCoool(f): 5:56pm On Jan 04 |
Nachmonides: OK, here's Merriam-Webster:
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Steep(m): 6:35pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:That is very arrogant of you to assume such. The word "being" can have different meaning. It can be used to refer to a person which is understandable because humans are mono personal beings so we tend to define a being as a person. |
DaddyCoool(f): 6:39pm On Jan 04 |
Steep: You can't make up your own English. We've gone to Google and Merriam-webster, the smartest sources we have - and they both say "same being" means same exact person |
Steep(m): 6:41pm On Jan 04 |
DaddyCoool:This is just one definition of what a being is. According to that definition of Merriam,a being is a person, this is a very limited and narrow definition. A tree is a being but not a person. The word "being" and "person" as used to describe the Trinity is not the same way it is used in everyday language. A being is the existence of anything living with set qualities and attributes. While a person is the self awareness a being posseses. . |
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