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MasterJayJay:


What is right? You have not asked any question.

Food is not cheap, but Nigerians are eating food.
Cooking gas is not cheap but poor people are evening using gas to cook.

The point is not paying 24/7 power supply. Nobody pays for 24/7 food, you pay when you eat not for every hour.

The point is for electricity to be available so that at any point anyone needs it they can. If the poor wants to charge his phone at midnight, he should and if the rich wants to power his 10 AC rooms he should.

Electricity is paid by usage, not by 24/7.

food and electricity are social amenities that are important necessities.
They are supposed to be available 24/7
Without food and electricity how do expect the society to function properly.
It's because of this lack of social amenities that Nigeria is a failed nation with a crumbling society.

mrvitalis:

You are absolutely correct

I have an alternative idea to power I have been working on

I think instead of focusing on power we should focus more on gas supply

If we get gas supply to most estates they can power themselves and send the excess to national grid

We can make a law that for an estate to produce its own power via the CNG gas pipeline it must pay a 35% tax in power

That's 35% or their power would go to the national grid

What this entitles is the rich would power the poor

We can generate over 40,000mw like this from top cities in nigeria

You are right but the majority of the average Nigerian aren't ready for progress and they hate who ever tells them the truth or try to help them. What you said is 100% feasible every street and estate e.g 5 to 6 streets can sum up enough capital to generate atleast a 1MW.but the problem with Nigerians is simply hypocrisy and wickedness. I will tell you a brief story
The street I previously resided some years back had issues of recurrent armed robbery attacks,even it got to a point people started parking due to these criminal activities the street chairman was scared to even bring security men to the street because word had it that some of the bad boys reside among us and they threatened to deal with anyone who will bring security to the street. Wahala abi

I was able to the police command in my area and negotiated armed mopol guys to provide security in the area both day and night.i was able to do this anonymously that even the landlords in that street including my then landlord up till this day didn't even know I was the guy behind the whole thing The DPO called the street chairman and informed him he got to have a security meetimg with all landlords and at the meeting he disclosed that a certain landlord brought the issue to him and he would like all landlords to vote anonymously to prevent word from getting out to everyone of the particular landlords that brought the mopol guys since everyone are scared.the voting went well landlords voted and also tenanta and at the end 8 mobile police men were deployed to our area to provide security.

After the first few months everything scattered and people who when running like chickens before into their houses started complaining that the fees are too much and can pay any longer.the mopol guys left and they brought in vigilantes even vigilantes self they refused to pay.i later parked out of the area and I heard the last time thieves came the shot some people in that area.

So you see no matter how you try to do good for Nigerians there must be those who hates it and if those who happens to hate good outnumbers those who likes your services you will appear like a devil.

This country is cursed with bad leaders and people.

Tallesty1:

Power isn't cheap, which is true, but why it's so costly in Nigeria is because:

1. There are households that do not pay. Go to the North, and you will see what I am saying. Their usage is not captured at all because they're not ed to begin with. They just give the NEPA guys anything they can, and that is it. Some don't even give them anything at all. Those Alhajis specialized in breading do not pay NEPA bills. Some who will receive the NEPA bill from tenants but will not remit it to NEPA.

2. Many houses are connected to one pole and ed to one house. Go down to the South and Middle Belt states, and you will see this. What they do is step down the light from one pole and distribute it to many houses. Once the bill arrives, they share the cost among all the connected houses. You will see a family use light for a month and pay only N500 and sometimes N200 in NEPA bills.

This is why unmetered people are charged high rates because each zone has a monthly remittance target, regardless of actual usage. So, once the money is collected from the metered people, whatever is left is distributed among the unmetered houses.

3. Big men in this country who own factories and organizations hardly pay their bills. You see it in the news: how this firm owes millions and that ministry owes billions.

4. People by meters. We all know this, so I don't need to explain.

Why is this happening? It's simple: the house cannot fall and the ceiling will not be affected Nigeria is corrupt. Once houses are metered and everyone pays for what they use, trust me, light will be cheaper than it currently is, but those who benefit from the corruption will not let it happen.

Metering everyone fairly would increase ability and ensure that everyone pays their share, reducing the burden on honest consumers. However, the entrenched interests and beneficiaries of the current corrupt system resist these changes because they profit from the chaos and inefficiency.

If the government and power companies enforce strict metering and billing practices, it would not only make electricity more affordable but also improve the reliability of the power supply. Until then, the current issues of corruption, theft, and unfair billing practices will continue to plague the Nigerian power sector.

Why you dey emphasize on metering and not prepaid

Yoi be nepa man

PaNnamdi:


I gave u an estimate if not the actual value of cost to power 200 million + homes in Nigeria and you are arguing blindly can you listing to yourself.

Enyi a, your estimate is very very wrong.

Population of 200 million people is not 200 million homes. I MW powering 1,000 homes is not same as powering 1,000 s.

mrvitalis:

Generator is cheaper na than having national grid

How is this concept difficult to understand

It is because we have millions of people who spend 20k and above on data that MTN can provide data for people who spend 200 a month

If all of us spend 200 MTN would fold

In Nigeria people who can spend 200k already have power 24/7

50 million can give u 24/7 light that's mere 30k dollars with solar

20k dollars can give you even but u have to manage it well

Your analysis is absolutely correct, a 20kva mikano generator consumes 60 litres in 16 hours, powering a combined power of around 13kw, running such factory, under band A, and consuming such power, will almost certainly top the generator
Nigerians would have ported to solar, since it is now the cheapest, but the problem is that the government had so impoverished Nigerians to the extent that they can't afford porting to solar, Nigerians earning power and affordability index had so much lowered that the #18000 minimum wage of Jonathan, the equivalent of #250000 of today is being denied them by the demonic apc government.

mrvitalis:

30k dollars for constant like for 20 years?

The present technology can't guarantee 20 years of solar power. Atmost 10 before you start having problems with cells.

My main point is the figure you quoted which only a very minute Nigerians can afford. Electricity is never cheap and that's why government needs to hands off it and let people who are serious take charge. This is the easiest way out of this mess. Not banking on some minute number of people to fund such a gigantic project.

With proper metering and the right bodies in charge, our power generation can rise to 15k- mw in 5 years (That is if government won't intervene and let people pay for the true value of electricity).

MasterJayJay:


What is right? You have not asked any question.

Food is not cheap, but Nigerians are eating food.
Cooking gas is not cheap but poor people are evening using gas to cook.

The point is not paying 24/7 power supply. Nobody pays for 24/7 food, you pay when you eat not for every hour.

The point is for electricity to be available so that at any point anyone needs it they can. If the poor wants to charge his phone at midnight, he should and if the rich wants to power his 10 AC rooms he should.

Electricity is paid by usage, not by 24/7.

Brilliant, that mumu doesn't know what he is talking about

MasterJayJay:


What is right? You have not asked any question.

Food is not cheap, but Nigerians are eating food.
Cooking gas is not cheap but poor people are evening using gas to cook.

The point is not paying 24/7 power supply. Nobody pays for 24/7 food, you pay when you eat not for every hour.

The point is for electricity to be available so that at any point anyone needs it they can. If the poor wants to charge his phone at midnight, he should and if the rich wants to power his 10 AC rooms he should.

Electricity is paid by usage, not by 24/7.

Exactly my point. Let serious people take over power from the corrupt government agencies and peg their price to present realities.

By the time you pay 800/unit. Nobody will advice to poor to only use equipments that are of necessity. And those who can afford putting on AC should be allowed to. Just make it accessible to all.

Naija is capable of generating 24hrs electricity but distribution isnt distributing the power properly.
The NDPHC power plants all over Nigeria dont run all the time due to gas allocation anf when they run its usually for 1 week.
I work under a power plant that generates 107MW per hour to grid and sometimes we are asked to reduce to 70MW because theres TOO MUCH power on GRID. So if there's so much why i no come get light for house. THE DISCOs usually allocate less power to areas.
They have a chart for daily allocation and distribute to the highest paying customers

jude79:



Your analysis is absolutely correct, a 20kva mikano generator consumes 60 litres in 16 hours, powering a combined power of around 13kw, running such factory, under band A, and consuming such power, will almost certainly top the generator
Nigerians would have ported to solar, since it is now the cheapest, but the problem is that the government had so impoverished Nigerians to the extent that they can't afford porting to solar, Nigerians earning power and affordability index had so much lowered that the #18000 minimum wage of Jonathan, the equivalent of #250000 of today is being denied them by the demonic apc government.

60 liters of diesel in 16 hours is 60 times 1,150 naira = 69,000 Naira.

13Kwh for 16 hours with DISCO = 13Kwh times 16 hours = 208kwh.

208kwh times 209.50 naira = 43,576 naira.

How is 69,000 naira cheaper than 43,576 naira?

PaNnamdi:

Why you dey emphasize on metering and not prepaid

Yoi be nepa man

😂 😂 😂


I meant prepaid na, the old meter has been phased out.

Efewestern:


The present technology can't guarantee 20 years of solar power. Atmost 10 before you start having problems with cells.

My main point is the figure you quoted which only a very minute Nigerians can afford. Electricity is never cheap and that's why government needs to hands off it and let people who are serious take charge. This is the easiest way out of this mess. Not banking on some minute number of people to fund such a gigantic project.

With proper metering and the right bodies in charge, our power generation can rise to 15k- mw in 5 years (That is if government won't intervene and let people pay for the true value of electricity).

Your wrong, Mr vitalis is right, research and development has left you behind, today, lithium batteries last between 15 and 30 years depending on grade, even then, many still retain 70% of their capacity, they are a bit more expensive, but return on investment is very high.

MasterJayJay:

60 liters of diesel in 16 hours is 60 times 1,150 naira = 69,000 Naira.

13Kwh for 16 hours with DISCO = 13Kwh times 16 hours = 208kwh.

208kwh times 209.50 naira = 43,576 naira.

How is 69,000 naira cheaper than 43,576 naira?

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Chill bros, I specifically mentioned mikano generators because it is regarded as a noiseless generator, those of us who doesn't mind the noise uses, single cylinder, 20kw Chinese generators, it only consumes 25litres for 16 hours, 25litres x 1150 gives 28750, solar is even cheaper, this government is a ripoff

The op logic is so flawed that it's laughable. First of all, he made a mistake by assuming that 200million people equates to 200million households, that's just wrong. Have you forgotten that each household will have at minimum 5 people? The father, mother, 2 or 3 or even 5 children, so in essence, if a place contains like one thousand people, it means that place will contain like maybe 100 or so households.
So you should slash that your number by dividing it by alteast 4 or 5 , that will give you a more accurate figure. Furthermore, the Ethiopian grand renaissance dam costs exactly 5billion dollars and generates almost 6,000megawatts. So 20billion dollars can give us almost 24,000megawatts of hydroelectric power generation. Another similar amount can give us another 24,000 megawatts of gas fired, wind,coal, Solar, nuclear etc of power.
Are you now telling me that almost 50,000 megawatts of power will not be enough to give every Nigerian cheap uninterrupted power 24hrs a day? You are here quoting 800billion dollars as if we are buying a whole country.
Look mehn, we are just nothing but thiefs in this country making straight forward achievable things look almost impossible to achieve.
Look how we made having a national airline, national telecom company, national database, national electric company etc look like an impossible task to achieve. Notice how literally every freaking functioning country in the world have what I listed? That should tell you how seriously messed up we are.

Manmusteat:
The op logic is so flawed that it's laughable. First of all, he made a mistake by assuming that 200million people equates to 200million households, that's just wrong. Have you forgotten that each household will have at minimum 5 people? The father, mother, 2 or 3 or even 5 children, so in essence, if a place contains like one thousand people, it means that place will contain like maybe 100 or so households.
So you should slash that your number by dividing it by alteast 4 or 5 , that will give you a more accurate figure. Furthermore, the Ethiopian grand renaissance dam costs exactly 5billion dollars and generates almost 6,000megawatts. So 20billion dollars can give us almost 24,000megawatts of hydroelectric power generation. Another similar amount can give us another 24,000 megawatts of gas fired, wind,coal, Solar, nuclear etc of power.
Are you now telling me that almost 50,000 megawatts of power will not be enough to give every Nigerian cheap uninterrupted power 24hrs a day? You are here quoting 800billion dollars as if we are buying a whole country.
Look mehn, we are just nothing but thiefs in this country making straight forward achievable things look almost impossible to achieve.
Look how we made having a national airline, national telecom company, national database, national electric company etc look like an impossible task to achieve. Notice how literally every freaking functioning country in the world have what I listed? That should tell you how seriously messed up we are.

The OP doesn't know what he is calculating,its so annoying, make electricity be like rocket science

mrvitalis:

What do you need let me give you?

U guys should have class even on this kind of forum.
It's not all posts you should reply no matter how you love to.

Economic sabotage. That's the term 🤐

jude79:


Your wrong, Mr vitalis is right, research and development has left you behind, today, lithium batteries last between 15 and 30 years depending on grade, even then, many still retain 70% of their capacity, they are a bit more expensive, but return on investment is very high.

No lithium battery can without a recharge cycle for up to 30years. The average lifespan has always hoovered around 10-15. There's no way you can use a lithium battery for 30 years.

Even if $30 can guarantee you 10 years of constant supply via solar, only a handful of Nigerians can afford that. Roughly less than one percent of Nigerians can afford to burn such amount of money for power. This still won't solve the problem of power distribution.

What we need is transparency and the right people to manage these things and not the corrupt government agencies. Let the price be at the current market realities and only those who are willing to pay for the electricity should enjoy 247 power.

jude79:
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Chill bros, I specifically mentioned mikano generators because it is regarded as a noiseless generator, those of us who doesn't mind the noise uses, single cylinder, 20kw Chinese generators, it only consumes 25litres for 16 hours, 25litres x 1150 gives 28750, solar is even cheaper, this government is a ripoff

Focus on the calculation and forget about government.

20kw chinese gen generates how many kw per hour?

Then compare that to kwh provided by Disco in 16 hours.

Efewestern:


No lithium battery can without a recharge cycle for up to 30years. The average lifespan has always hoovered around 10-15. There's no way you can use a lithium battery for 30 years.

Even if it lasts for 20 years, it is 100 times better.

Even if $30 can guarantee you 10 years of constant supply via solar, only a handful of Nigerians can afford that. Roughly less than one percent of Nigerians can afford to burn such amount of money for power. This still won't solve the problem of power distribution.

What we need is transparency and the right people to manage these things and not the corrupt government agencies. Let the price be at the current market realities and only those who are willing to pay for the electricity should enjoy 247 power.

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Even if it lasts for 20 years, it is 100 times better than what this criminals dish out to Nigerians

Your second point comes down to what I've been saying, the capacity of Nigerians to afford basic needs has been grossly reduced by this government,
Eg foreign rice cost 7000 in 2014 under Jonathan at 18000 minimum wage
Today, foreign rice is between 90000 to 110000, which means average of 100000 today gives 7000 under Jonathan,
I now see why labour is demanding for 250000, 18000 is equivalent to 260000 today, APC is wicked

It is impossible to get the right people, since every institution that can be used to make such possible had been bastardized and destroyed by APC.

MasterJayJay:


Enyi a, your estimate is very very wrong.

Population of 200 million people is not 200 million homes. I MW powering 1,000 homes is not same as powering 1,000 s.

Yes 200 million means 20 people

U are very intelligent clap for your self bro

MasterJayJay:

Focus on the calculation and forget about government.

20kw chinese gen generates how many kw per hour?

Then compare that to kwh provided by Disco in 16 hours.

U are lost bro,power generation is calculated in mega watts and sub divided into watts and volts transmitted to a house this is the basics.do u know that the cost of running that 20kw gen far exceeds the average cost of maintaining a power plant using gas if it's used instead of a gas powered plant?yes u can have hundreds of mikano 1mw generators wired into a powerplant but with extreme and outrageous maintainance cost.U Nigerians always act as Mr smarty pants wereas u guys aren't as smart

Manmusteat:
The op logic is so flawed that it's laughable. First of all, he made a mistake by assuming that 200million people equates to 200million households, that's just wrong. Have you forgotten that each household will have at minimum 5 people? The father, mother, 2 or 3 or even 5 children, so in essence, if a place contains like one thousand people, it means that place will contain like maybe 100 or so households.
So you should slash that your number by dividing it by alteast 4 or 5 , that will give you a more accurate figure. Furthermore, the Ethiopian grand renaissance dam costs exactly 5billion dollars and generates almost 6,000megawatts. So 20billion dollars can give us almost 24,000megawatts of hydroelectric power generation. Another similar amount can give us another 24,000 megawatts of gas fired, wind,coal, Solar, nuclear etc of power.
Are you now telling me that almost 50,000 megawatts of power will not be enough to give every Nigerian cheap uninterrupted power 24hrs a day? You are here quoting 800billion dollars as if we are buying a whole country.
Look mehn, we are just nothing but thiefs in this country making straight forward achievable things look almost impossible to achieve.
Look how we made having a national airline, national telecom company, national database, national electric company etc look like an impossible task to achieve. Notice how literally every freaking functioning country in the world have what I listed? That should tell you how seriously messed up we are.

Hello Mr smarty pants I equated 220,000 megawatts for 200 million people assuming that's the actual number of adults in Nigeria using 1000 watts in their houses at the same time.5 people in a household doesn't matter as long as the population tallies and also mind you much current would also be in reserve during non peak hours
South Africa aand uk produces electricity in gigawatts and u are arguing 50,000 MW is enough for a population of 200,000,000 people.well I would pardon you if weren't grounded in physics and sciences but if you were then your certificate assuming u attended a university needs to be withdrawn

PaNnamdi:

Hello Mr smarty pants I equated 220,000 megawatts for 200 million people assuming that's the actual number of adults in Nigeria using 1000 watts in their houses at the same time.5 people in a household doesn't matter as long as the population tallies and also mind you much current would also be in reserve during non peak hours
South Africa aand uk produces electricity in gigawatts and u are arguing 50,000 MW is enough for a population of 200,000,000 people.well I would pardon you if weren't grounded in physics and sciences but if you were then your certificate assuming u attended a university needs to be withdrawn

You don't know what you are saying, Nigeria can provide affordable 24/7 electricity gradually starting from cities,atleast Lagos,Abuja,pH,kano should have 24/7 light ,it can be done easily

PaNnamdi:

Yes 200 million means 20 people

U are very intelligent clap for your self bro

Dude, I won't waste my time to correct you again. My only advice to you is to never repeat this wrong calculation of yours in a gathering of intelligent people, especially offline.

The embarrasment is not visible here on nairaland because of one being anonymous.

MasterJayJay:

Dude, I won't waste my time to correct you again. My only advice to you is to never repeat this wrong calculation of yours in a gathering of intelligent people, especially offline.

The embarrasment is not visible here on nairaland because of one being anonymous.

South Africa in 2010 produced over 1,400 terawatts which is far far times higher than megawatts of electricity with a then population of 50,000,000 to garantee stable electricity supply with full 220 Volts,and u ignorant man dey here dey argue say 200,000 megawatts
not even gigawatts, terawatts high gigawatts oooo,u dey argue say e too much.so southy wey produce electricity in terawatts nor get sense and know book

U illiterates never seize to amaze me go school una say no,use una brain and learn new positive things una say no
This is shameful