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The United States Did Not Tell Israel to Occupy Palestine

You’re spot-on that the U.S. didn’t hand Israel a memo saying, “Go grab some land.” But what does “occupy Palestine” even mean? Before 1948, that land—under British Mandate—wasn’t some tidy nation-state called Palestine. It was a patchwork of peoples: Jewish Palestinians and Arab Palestinians, living side by side, sometimes fighting, sometimes not. Yes, you heard me—Jewish Palestinians. Back then, “Palestinian” was a geographic label, not a national identity. There were Jews born there, Arabs born there, all under British rule after the Ottoman Empire crumbled. Fast forward to 1948: the UN says, “Let’s split it—Israel for Jews, a state for Arabs.” Jews said yes; Arab leaders said no and attacked. Israel survived, and suddenly, “Palestine” became a rallying cry—but not until later.
Here’s the kicker: that modern Palestinian national identity? It didn’t crystallize until 1964, when the PLO was born. Before that, from 1948 to 1967, Egypt ran Gaza, and Jordan held the West Bank—renaming Judea and Samaria to erase its biblical roots. Did Palestinians rise up against Cairo or Amman, demanding a state? Not a peep. Their ire, their fists, their guns—all pointed at Israel. Why? Because this wasn’t just about land; it was about rejecting Israel’s right to exist. Hamas’s charter still screams it: no Israel, no peace. So, when Israel took the West Bank and Gaza in 1967—after surviving another Arab war to annihilate them—it wasn’t a random land grab. It was a buffer against enemies who’d rather see them dead than negotiate. Occupation? Sure, call it that—but it’s a war story, not a heist.
Oh, and today? Areas A and B of the West Bank are Palestinian-run, under their own flag. Signs there say “No Jews Allowed”—if that’s not apartheid vibes, what is? Meanwhile, Israel’s got Arab citizens voting, working, living. Funny how that gets ignored.

The United states did not tell Israel to plan and perpetrate the killing of more almost 4000 Palestinians
in Sabra and Shatila in Beirut Lebanon ( year 1982).

You're throwing around “almost 4,000 dead” in Sabra and Shatila like it’s gospel. Let’s dial it back—credible counts say 800 to 3,500, still a gut-wrenching tragedy. But saying Israel “planned and perpetrated” it? That’s a stretch so long it could bridge Lagos to Abuja. Here’s the scene: Lebanon, 1982, a country tearing itself apart in a civil war. Palestinian refugee camps like Sabra and Shatila were hotbeds of PLO fighters—guys who’d been launching attacks on Israel for years. Then, Lebanese Christian leader Bashir Gemayel gets assassinated, and his militia, the Phalange, lose their minds. They blame the PLO, storm the camps, and slaughter civilians—men, women, kids. Horrific? Absolutely. Israel’s role? They let the Phalange in, expecting them to root out fighters, not unleash hell.
Was it a colossal screw-up? Yes—Israel’s own Kahan Commission said so, nailing Ariel Sharon for negligence. He quit as Defense Minister over it. But “planned and perpetrated”? That’s like saying Nigeria orchestrated every Boko Haram massacre because we didn’t stop them fast enough. Context matters, and you're guy’s cherry-picking like a pro. What sparked the Phalange’s rage? Decades of PLO violence in Lebanon—hijackings, bombings, chaos. Palestinians weren’t just innocent bystanders; their leaders had made enemies. Doesn’t justify the bloodbath, but it explains it. Ignoring that is like reading a book with half the pages torn out.

The United states is not giving order to Jewish settlers who are taking Palestinians lands , raping Palestinians women . The list so long

It happens—some are rogue, lawless, and vile. Israel’s hauled hundreds to court, jailed them when the evidence sticks. But painting all Israelis as rapists and thieves is lazy propaganda. Flip the coin: Hamas siphons aid meant for Gaza’s hungry to dig terror tunnels. The Palestinian Authority hands cash to families of attackers while their own people starve. Evil’s got no monopoly—both sides have blood on their hands. So why only scream about Israel?
You say we should listen to Palestinians more. Fair enough—they’re suffering, no question: checkpoints choking their lives, homes lost, kids caught in crossfire. But who’re we listening to? The people or their leaders? Hamas hides rockets in schools, uses kids as shields, preaches death over dreams. Their own words—listen to them—say Israel’s erasure is the goal, not a state next door. From 1948 to 1967, when Egypt and Jordan held the reins, Palestinians didn’t march on Cairo or Amman. They aimed at Israel. Today, they’ve got autonomy in chunks of the West Bank, and Gaza’s theirs—yet the fight’s still on. Maybe it’s time they listened to themselves: their leaders keep choosing war over peace, and the kids pay the price.

How can we Christians go to Church every Sunday and the next Monday clap our hands when the same people who are under attack over the past 80 years are still being murdered?

Genesis 12:7: God promises the land to Abraham’s seed— the Jews NOT Arabs. Ezekiel 36-37: He says they’ll return from exile. In 1948, that prophecy clicks into place. Zechariah 12:2-3: Nations will gang up on Jerusalem in the end times—ring a bell?
In Israel, Christians pray freely; in Gaza, they’re silenced. Who’s the real hater here?

Under attack for 80 years

Wait a minute. Let’s rewind: 1948, Day One, Arab states reject the UN’s two-state deal and invade Israel. Palestinians suffer today, but their leaders—then and now—keep picking fights they can’t win. Listen to them: Hamas doesn’t want coexistence; they want conquest. That’s the root of this mess.

You care about Palestinian kids? Good. But people like you are the cause of their pain. Because the price of your is the death and suffering of children, Hamas keeps paying you in the currency you demand. How else will Hamas winnyour if they didn't sacrifice their civilians? Yes, their pain’s real, their future’s stolen. But pointing at Israel like they’re the sole villain is half the story. Hamas and the PA trap them in a cycle of hate and handouts. Want freedom for them? Call out the real oppressors: leaders who’d rather see them die than thrive. Israel’s got flaws—plenty—but it’s not the cartoon monster you’re sold. As Christians, we chase truth, not vibes. God’s word stands, history doesn’t bend, and facts don’t care about our feelings. Let’s reason like men, not wail like babies. Time to listen—to Palestinians, yes, but also to the cold, hard reality they’re screaming past.

freakyamanda:
In the Bible, who was the original owner of that land? Didn't the Hebrews displace some people before occupying it? If the decendants of the canaanites come back with proof, would you that the jews vacate?

Jacob (the father of the Israelites) was a Canaanite

Love800:
And Nigeria discovered oil before this people. but look at where they(saudi arabia) are now.
I think the sharia law helped them, because they don't handle corruption with baby hands. Once you default, punishment straight!

😂 Sharia law ke? What about other Islamic republics ruled by Sharia law that had oil but are still generally poor? Also, Nigeria has Sharia law in some states - when has that stopped corruption in those states?
What about the West? How is it that they prospered without Sharia law?

Bro, you're killing me with this nonsense. Let me break this down for you.


You said:

Napata77:
BECAUSE WE HAD NO NEED FOR THEM. The ONLY reason you denigrate cowrie shells is because you've been programmed to have an inferiority complex about anything African.

Seriously? An inferiority complex? I'm African, and I'm telling you cowrie shells were trash as a serious economic instrument. You know why traders eventually stopped using them? Because a donkey could carry more value than cowrie shells. When the Portuguese started flooding West Africa with these shells, their value dropped faster than your argument's credibility. By the late 1800s, you needed baskets of cowries to buy a goat. BASKETS. That's not a currency - that's a comedy routine.

You claim:

Pre-colonial Intra-African trade PROSPERED GREATLY with the use of cowrie shells.

Prospered? My guy, 'prospered' is a strong word. You know what actually prospered? Slave traders. Internal African slave trades were moving between 10-17 million people BEFORE Europeans even showed up. Your beloved pre-colonial system was selling YOUR people to each other. But sure, let's romanticize that golden age, right?

The ''complex banking systems'' you talk about actually DISRUPTED AFRICAN ECONOMIES, and are actually forms of FINANCIAL THEFT AND CHEATING...

Listen, banking isn't perfect. But what's your alternative? A system where wealth is determined by how many cowrie shells you can stack? The same banking systems you're calling a 'scam' have lifted billions out of poverty worldwide. Africa needs better implementation of these systems, not wholesale rejection.

You mentioned Botswana like they're some anti-colonial heroes. Newsflash: Botswana USED colonial istrative frameworks. They didn't reject everything. They were smart. They integrated Western systems with traditional governance. Result? They went from one of the poorest countries to upper-middle-income in one generation.

Your Singapore rant? Classic. "Singapore is a city-state of 5 million people..." Yeah, and Nigeria is 200 million. So what? Let me introduce you to the United States of America. At independence, they had:
- 13 original colonies
- Over 50 Native American nations
- Significant populations of:
* English settlers
* Scottish settlers
* Irish immigrants
* African slaves
* Dutch settlers
* French settlers
* Spanish influences in the South

They had MASSIVE ethnic, linguistic, and cultural differences. Civil War. Slavery. Genocide against Native Americans. But you know what they didn't do? Sit around crying about British colonialism.

Instead, they built institutions. Created frameworks that allowed different groups to coexist. Developed a constitution that, while imperfect, provided mechanisms for representation and conflict resolution.

Nigeria? 250 ethnic groups. You act like this is some insurmountable problem. It's an OPPORTUNITY, not a curse! Singapore has Chinese, Malay, Indian populations. Switzerland has German, French, Italian, Romansh speakers. Canada has English and French populations.

Multiple ethnicities aren't a weakness. They're a potential STRENGTH if you build the right institutional frameworks.

You scream:

WHO TOLD YOU THE MALI EMPIRE WAS OPPRESSIVE?

Bruh, the Mali Empire itself! Ever heard of Mansa Musa's slave armies? The same empire you're praising had complex slave systems. They weren't some egalitarian paradise you're imagining.

Here's the brutal truth: Our problem isn't colonialism. Our problem is us. WE elect corrupt leaders. WE participate in vote-buying. WE celebrate politicians who steal instead of develop. WE create systems that reward mediocrity.

You want to talk about oppression? Look at how many African leaders have oppressed their own people MORE than colonial masters ever did. Look at how many billions have been stolen by our own people.

Nigeria receives about $3.5 billion in foreign aid annually. You know how much is estimated to be lost to corruption EACH YEAR? $8-10 billion. We are our own worst enemy.

Your rage is valid. Your analysis is garbage.

Stop crying about colonial ghosts. Let's start having our own introspection. Start building. Continue to whine and rant about the past WILL DEFINITELY NOT HELP US!

HITdemUP:

But same UK impose slavery on your country but that's okay by you. I wonder why you guys lose sleep over other people's problems . Why not remove the your eyes first

Lol... Every race is guilty of slavery at one point or the other. There are Nigerian slave masters too. For instance, is Efunsetan Aniwura a white woman?
This very same UK you dey abuse was the first country in the world to ban slavery.

Harnny:
You are talking about cult and you are laying emphasis on Hamas and ignoring the Jews. You are ing the narrative that Hamas has caused the death of the 40k plus killed by Israeli onslaught. Let me ask you this. If Hamas had surrendered immediately, would that have stopped the killing and oppression of Palestinians in the west bank?. Do you know how many Palestinians have died in the Westbank before and since then and those arrested? Will this have stopped the settlers violence?. Would this have guaranteed the Palestinian statehood?. Would this have meant Gaza have control of their gas fields and international water? Everyone is always quick to point fingers at Palestinians but imagine living with those Maccabi fans everyday. These guys keep getting oppressed, no one is fighting for them so why won't they Hamas?. For the longest time when the only violence has been from the Israeli end and Palestinians kept clamoring for international intervention, did they get any attention? Tell me, how do you suggest the Palestinians get thier freedom?

Since we're opening old files, let's open them properly. Everyone wants to start the story from where it favors them.
You talk about oppression? Let me educate you about the historical treatment of Jews in Arab lands:

The Great Jewish Exodus:
- 850,000+ Jews forced out of Arab countries after 1948
- Ancient Jewish communities in Baghdad (2,600 years old!) destroyed
- Properties worth billions seized
- Entire communities in Yemen, Egypt, Libya wiped out
Where's the international outrage about this ethnic cleansing?

Historic Persecution:
- 1941: The Farhud pogrom in Iraq - hundreds of Jews massacred
- 1947: Aden riots - Jewish quarters burned
- 1967: Jews in Egypt arrested, tortured
Centuries of "dhimmi" status - treated as second-class citizens

You're crying about settlers? Let me ask you:
Why is it okay for 22 Arab states to exist but not one Jewish state?
How many Jews are left in Gaza? Zero!
How many Jews in Saudi Arabia? Zero!
How many synagogues standing in Arab countries? Count them!

Now, let's talk about the times when your beloved Palestinians were offered statehood:

- 1937: Rejected Peel Commission partition (the Arabs demanded for a unitary state - they do not want any Jewish state)
- 1947: Rejected UN partition (again, the Arabs demanded for a unitary state - but was rejected by the UN)
- 1967: "Three No's" of Khartoum - No peace, No recognition, No negotiations
- 2000: Ehud Barak offers 92% of West Bank, all of Gaza (The Palestinians responded with intifada! )
- 2008: Olmert offers 93.7% of West Bank, land swaps for rest
This is like someone rejecting five marriage proposals then crying that nobody wants to marry them!

The issue is not about a Palestinian state - it is about a Jewish state! "From the river to the sea, Palestine will be free", they chant. Tell me how that works without driving the Jews into the sea? Have you even read Hamas charter? Here is the full document of their revised charter: https://www.middleeasteye.net/news/hamas-2017-document-full
Look at one of the sections of their charter:
Palestine, which extends from the[i] River Jordan in the east to the Mediterranean in the west and from Ras al-Naqurah in the north to Umm al-Rashrash in the south[/i], is an integral territorial unit. It is the land and the home of the Palestinian people. The expulsion and banishment of the Palestinian people from their land and the establishment of the Zionist entity therein do not annul the right of the Palestinian people to their entire land and do not entrench any rights therein for the usurping Zionist entity.
The truth is bitter like quinine, but it must be told. This conflict needs honest history, not selected victimhood. Both sides have suffered, both sides have made mistakes, but only one side keeps choosing violence over coexistence.

You started by defending Hamas's hostage-taking, now you're talking about general Palestinian suffering. Make up your mind!

If Hamas had surrendered...

Brother, before Hamas took power in 2005, Gaza actually had:

- A functioning airport
- Regular border crossings
- Economic cooperation with Israel
- No blockade
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Check the records! Even the World Bank documented this.

Palestinians in West Bank...

You see, this one is like saying because armed robbers are operating in Abuja, we should bombing Lagos! The West Bank and Gaza are under different governance. Under PA leadership (with all its flaws), West Bank GDP grew by 7% annually between 2007-2011.

Gas fields and international waters

Now we're talking real matter. Before Hamas, there were actual negotiations about the Gaza Marine gas field. British Gas was involved. Who scattered these deals? Check the 2000-2005 records.

Living with Maccabi fans...

My brother, nobody is saying Israeli extremists are saints. But your logic is like saying because some people are wicked, we should those who are more wicked! Make it make sense! The Israel political system is a democratic one - there are lots of political noises here and there. There are many Jews in Israel that are getting sympathetic to the Palestinians - who do you think pressured Israel into allowing about 18,000 Gazans to cross daily into Israel and work? Even when Egypt maintained a tighter border strict control? Many Jews in Israel have committed a lots of resources towards the development of the Palestinians. It was the Oct. 7 massacre that justifies that the Israeli right extremists were right after all. The sympathy for the Gazans dropped among the Jews in Israel - thanks to Hamas

No one is fighting for them...

Do you know how many UN resolutions Palestinian rights? How many international aid programs? The EU alone sends billions! Do you know Palestinians receive more international aid per capita than any nation in history? More UN resolutions than any conflict! Even more than African nations fighting colonialism got! Infact, according to the New York Times, Jewish-American donors specifically raised $14 million to buy perfectly working greenhouses from departing Israeli settlers and give them to Palestinians. James Wolfensohn, former World Bank president, personally donated $500,000. These greenhouses were worth $50 million and could've jumpstarted Gaza's economy.
What happened? Palestinian looters stripped them bare within hours of Israeli withdrawal. This is documented by multiple international sources, including The Associated Press and The Guardian. The problem isn't lack of , it's what's been done with it!

Now, to your last question:

how do Palestinians get their freedom?

Let me tell you what has actually worked historically:
- 1978: Egypt got back Sinai through negotiation
- 1994: Jordan achieved peace and prosperity through dialogue
- 1993-1995: Oslo Accords achieved Palestinian Authority, despite its limitations

You're asking the wrong question. Instead of "why won't they Hamas?" ask "what has Hamas's leadership actually achieved for Palestinians?"

Before Hamas: Gaza had borders, trade, construction
After Hamas: Blockade, destruction, death

This is not opinion. These are documented facts.
You want freedom? Look at every successful liberation movement:

- India's independence movement under Gandhi
- Mandela's ANC (after abandoning violent struggle)
- American civil rights movement
- Civil rights movement under Dr. King

None of them achieved freedom by targeting civilians or using their own people as shields!
The path to Palestinian freedom needs:
- Leadership that values Palestinian lives above political goals
- Strategic international diplomacy
- Economic development and state-building
- Rejection of terrorism and extremism
My brother, if you're in a hole, the first step to freedom is to stop digging deeper. ing Hamas is like drinking poison and expecting your enemy to die.
Or are you telling me that 75 years of armed struggle has brought Palestinians closer to freedom? The mathematics is not mathing! If you truly love the Palestinians, you should stop rewarding them for bad behaviours. If you love a child, you don't spoil him/her. Let the world start holding Palestinians able for their actions. Let the world start telling Palestinians that the path to peace requires committed efforts on their own part.

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Harnny:
will Israel release their Palestinian hostages too? It is not a crime for Palestinians to rescue their kidnapped as well. Do you know that till date, the only thing Hamas has asked for is the release of Palestinians in Isreali istrative detention?.

Let's break down Hamas's twisted calculus of human value. Their narrative suggests they'd sacrifice tens of thousands of innocent Gazans to secure the release of a few hundred prisoners. This isn't just strategically nonsensical - it's a moral obscenity that defies basic human logic.
Consider the brutal arithmetic that exposes their true agenda:

- Estimated Palestinian casualties: 20,000+
- Prisoners to be released: Hundreds

The only logical explanation? These prisoners are far more valuable to Hamas's strategic objectives than the average Gazan civilian. Why? Because these aren't "innocent" prisoners - they're key operational leaders, strategic assets in Hamas's war machine.

This reveals a chilling truth: Hamas sees Gazan civilians not as people to protect, but as:
1. Propaganda tools
2. Human shields
3. Expendable resources in their ideological war

Let's play out the most absurd reduction of their logic. Imagine a firefighter who, to rescue a single matchstick, burns down an entire city block. Would you call that a rescue? Or would you call it criminally insane?

Historical precedent is brutally clear. Totalitarian movements have always sacrificed their own people for supposed "greater causes". The Nazi regime sacrificed German civilians. Stalin sacrificed millions of Soviet citizens. Hamas follows this grotesque tradition of human expendability.

The most damning evidence? Captured Hamas militants repeatedly stating they value the "afterlife" more than current existence. This isn't just a religious conviction - it's a death cult that weaponizes its own population's suffering.

Psychological warfare laid bare:
- Each dead Gazan becomes an international sympathy point
- Each civilian death is weaponized against Israel
- The population becomes both shield and statistic

This isn't resistance. This isn't liberation. This is systematic human sacrifice on an industrial scale, with the Gazan population as unwilling participants.

The ultimate tragedy? The very people Hamas claims to represent are its primary victims.

Ask yourself: Would any truly caring leadership deliberately construct a strategy that guarantees mass civilian death? The answer screams itself.

This isn't about Palestinian liberation. This is about perpetuating conflict, maintaining power, and ensuring a continuous narrative of victimhood.

The path forward requires Palestinians to reject this death-driven leadership and choose life, education, and genuine state-building. It demands recognizing that every human life - Israeli and Palestinian - has inherent, inviolable worth.

Kingbharry:
This woman na goat. This colonial masters are shamless thieves. They came and disrupted our development, made us slaves, looted the continent dry, and now put their boys in charge to continue the looting on their behalf and this idiot looking to be a slave in their country is shaming us and saying we should not blame them? Who brought democracy, capitalism, their damned religion to brainwash us, destroyed our history and identity, all the institutions introduced to us is to milk us dry. doesn't have a gold mine but has thousands of tonnes of gold. same as British masters. They steal from us to develop and put gate keepers working in their interest sabotage our chances and still expect us to develop rapidly like them. Una dey ment

I hear your ion, but let's reason this together with some facts and logic.
First, about those 'colonial masters being shameless thieves' - yes, colonialism was terrible and exploitative. No argument there. But here's where your logic starts to wobble like jollof rice made by Jamie Oliver:
You say they disrupted our development - but let's be honest, when Ghana's Ashanti Empire was at its peak in the 1800s, they were still using cowrie shells as currency while Europeans had already developed complex banking systems. Why didn't we independently develop these systems in the thousands of years before colonialism? This isn't about superiority - it's about asking hard questions.
You mention 's gold - but look at Botswana, which has managed its diamond wealth brilliantly post-independence. From one of Africa's poorest nations to an upper-middle-income country. Same colonialism, different outcome. How come?
You talk about democracy being forced on us - but my friend, are you suggesting we were better off with systems where one ethnic group could dominate others without checks and balances? the Mali Empire? Great in many ways, but not exactly a beacon of democratic rights.
"They steal from us to develop" - but see Singapore. British-colonized, zero natural resources, gained independence in 1965 with a GDP per capita of $516. Today? Over $94,000. Same colonial history, different story. What did they do differently?
You mention gatekeepers and sabotage - but explain Rwanda. Colonized by Belgium (not exactly the gentlest colonizers), suffered a genocide, yet today is one of Africa's fastest-growing economies. They didn't sit around blaming Leopold II's ghost for their problems.
Look at Vietnam - colonized by , bombed to bits by America, yet today they're an economic powerhouse. They focused on building, not blaming.
And speaking of 'their damned religion' - you do realize many of our traditional systems had their own problems too, right? Or should we go back to sacrificing twins because that's more 'authentically African'?
The truth is, colonialism was wrong, but it's been over 60 years since independence. Japan was literally nuclear-bombed, lost a war, was occupied - yet within 20 years became the world's second-largest economy. Meanwhile, we're still crying about what Queen Victoria did?
My friend, this victim mentality is like driving a car while only looking in the rearview mirror - you'll never move forward that way. Yes, they dealt us a bad hand, but it's still our responsibility to play it well.
Look at China - century of humiliation, Opium Wars, colonial concessions - yet they didn't spend 60 years saying "but but but the British!" They got to work.
The real colonialism happening now is in our minds - this belief that we can't succeed because of what happened in the past. That's the real chain we need to break.
Or should we wait another 60 years, still blaming colonialism while our children's children suffer under the corruption and mismanagement we refuse to address today?
The choice is ours, but : history explains our starting point - it doesn't dictate our destination.

adebowales:
normally no country loves war like the US, if you don’t defend yourself, you will become a slave to them. Russia normally isn’t interested in policing the world but really have to act against those imperialists

Is that what Russia is doing in Ukraine? Defending herself? All because you hate the US, any villain that goes against the US must be your hero, right? Russian neighbours do not trust Russia - does that not say a lot?

latch:
Just thought to share those of you championing for Israel as a state. Below is Israels population percentage by religion.

Muslim - 18.1%
Jewish - 73.6%
Christian - 1.9%
Druze - 1.6%
Other - 4.8%

The Israelites as mentioned in the Bible does not translate to the Israeli nation as it is today.
By the way .. I'm Christian.

If you are a Christian, you are a half-baked one. How on earth can you be a Christian and be making this kind of argument? So all the promises made by the prophets and even the apostles regarding the Jews in the last days are false oracles if the people referred to as the Jews in the Bible no longer exist till date, right?

Did Paul Himself not say:

Romans 11:1-2
Israel Is Not Cast Away
I say then, God has not rejected His people, has He? May it never be! For I too am an Israelite, a descendant of Abraham, of the tribe of Benjamin. God has not rejected His people whom He foreknew. Or do you not know what the Scripture says in the age about Elijah, how he pleads with God against Israel?

Romans 11:7-8
What then? What Israel is seeking, it has not obtained, but those who were chosen obtained it, and the rest were hardened; just as it is written,
“God gave them a spirit of stupor,
Eyes to see not and ears to hear not,
Down to this very day.”

Romans 11:16-19
If the first piece of dough is holy, the lump is also; and if the root is holy, the branches are too. But if some of the branches were broken off, and you, being a wild olive, were grafted in among them and became partaker with them of the rich root of the olive tree, do not be arrogant toward the branches; but if you are arrogant, that it is not you who s the root, but the root s you. You will say then, “Branches were broken off so that I might be grafted in.”

Romans 11:25
For I do not want you, brethren, to be uninformed of this mystery—so that you will not be wise in your own estimation—that a partial hardening has happened to Israel until the fullness of the Gentiles has come in;

yang:
Israel is a Terrorist state

Nobody should them due to religion

when they drop bombs in beirut they kill christians, shiites, sunnis, druzes, atheists etc, bombs do not make a distinction

It is pure terrorism

The Isreal lacks a respect for international law and trashing resolution and resolution of the UN

This has gone on for too long and Gaza is now a victim of Genocide from Israel

In my opinion Israel should be kicked out of UN and imposed an economic and millitary embargo

Yeah, just like the 'oppressed and starved' prisoners in Gaza made distinctions when they invaded Israel and killed about 1200 Israelis (including your own fellow black student who just came to Israel to study). What about the hostages?
When Hezbollah was raining thousands of rockets for the past one year on Northern Israel, these rockets were singling out the Jews, right?
And when Israel's enemies refuse to play by the rules of the UN, which the UN allowed by the way, Israel should just fold her arms and allow terrorists to keep killing her citizens day by day all in the name of following the rules of the UN?
For instance, do you think we have forgotten the UN resolution 1701 which mandated that Hezbollah withdraw to the Litany river (and stop occupying Lebanon) while Israel withdraw from Lebanon? Do you know what? Israel kept her own end of the bargain - she withdrew. Hezbollah didn't. As if the insult wasn't even enough, they were creating terror tunnels near the UNIFIL outpost without the UN batting a eyelash. The very second day after the Oct. 7 massacre, Hezbollah rained rockets on Israel.
You see, this is not the first time the Jews will be accused of vile things. This is not the first time people have tried to hide under a noble cause to wipe out the Jews. This one too will .

Amazingly, this very worldwide hatred against the Jews has been prophesied by God Himself in the scriptures. God knows and He is assuring you and your fellow haters that the Jews are here to stay whether you like it or not. In fact, the Bible made us know that in the last days, countries like Russia, Turkey, Iran, Libya and their several allies will attack Israel. For the first time in history, Iran and Russia became allies. Turkey too is ing the alliance. We are seeing the picture gradually - the alliance is already taking place.

Ezekiel 38:2-23
“Son of man, set your face toward Gog of the land of Magog, the prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal, and prophesy against him and say, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Behold, I am against you, O Gog, prince of Rosh, Meshech and Tubal. I will turn you about and put hooks into your jaws, and I will bring you out, and all your army, horses and horsemen, all of them splendidly attired, a great company with buckler and shield, all of them wielding swords; Persia, Ethiopia and Put with them, all of them with shield and helmet; Gomer with all its troops; Beth-togarmah from the remote parts of the north with all its troops—many peoples with you. “Be prepared, and prepare yourself, you and all your companies that are assembled about you, and be a guard for them. After many days you will be summoned; in the latter years you will come into the land that is restored from the sword, whose inhabitants have been gathered from many nations to the mountains of Israel which had been a continual waste; but its people were brought out from the nations, and they are living securely, all of them. You will go up, you will come like a storm; you will be like a cloud covering the land, you and all your troops, and many peoples with you.” ‘Thus says the Lord God, “It will come about on that day, that thoughts will come into your mind and you will devise an evil plan, and you will say, ‘I will go up against the land of unwalled villages. I will go against those who are at rest, that live securely, all of them living without walls and having no bars or gates, to capture spoil and to seize plunder, to turn your hand against the waste places which are now inhabited, and against the people who are gathered from the nations, who have acquired cattle and goods, who live at the center of the world.’ Sheba and Dedan and the merchants of Tarshish with all its villages will say to you, ‘Have you come to capture spoil? Have you assembled your company to seize plunder, to carry away silver and gold, to take away cattle and goods, to capture great spoil?’”’ “Therefore prophesy, son of man, and say to Gog, ‘Thus says the Lord God, “On that day when My people Israel are living securely, will you not know it? You will come from your place out of the remote parts of the north, you and many peoples with you, all of them riding on horses, a great assembly and a mighty army; and you will come up against My people Israel like a cloud to cover the land. It shall come about in the last days that I will bring you against My land, so that the nations may know Me when I am sanctified through you before their eyes, O Gog.” ‘Thus says the Lord God, “Are you the one of whom I spoke in former days through My servants the prophets of Israel, who prophesied in those days for many years that I would bring you against them? It will come about on that day, when Gog comes against the land of Israel,” declares the Lord God, “that My fury will mount up in My anger. In My zeal and in My blazing wrath I declare that on that day there will surely be a great earthquake in the land of Israel. The fish of the sea, the birds of the heavens, the beasts of the field, all the creeping things that creep on the earth, and all the men who are on the face of the earth will shake at My presence; the mountains also will be thrown down, the steep pathways will collapse and every wall will fall to the ground. I will call for a sword against him on all My mountains,” declares the Lord God. “Every man’s sword will be against his brother. With pestilence and with blood I will enter into judgment with him; and I will rain on him and on his troops, and on the many peoples who are with him, a torrential rain, with hailstones, fire and brimstone. I will magnify Myself, sanctify Myself, and make Myself known in the sight of many nations; and they will know that I am the Lord.”’

thesicilian:
Israel as it is today is the brainchild of the US and it's allies. But one day Israel is going to grow into a monster and bite the US in the asss

Just like Nigeria is a brainchild of Britain, right? Maybe Boko Haram is right after all - we are all a British contraption. We should just submit to Boko Haram who rejected this nation created by Britain.
Oh... That even reminds me. Palestine was created by the Romans (to spite the Jews) - so what happens to the so-called Palestinians (who are nothing but just another group of disgruntled Arabs)? Pakistan nko?
The University of Ibadan was the brainchild of colonialists. Yes, let's go and demolish the school just because it was a colonialist brainchild.
Many people are just mentally lazy gulping up shallow arguments.

uunwanaobong3:


IT MAY INTEREST YOU TO KNOW THAT YOUR BELOVED AMERICA IS THE SOLE CAUSE OF ALL GLOBAL CONFLICTS AND WARS SINCE THE END OF WORLD WAR 2..... TAKE AMERICA OUT OF THE WORLD AND EARTH WILL EXPERIENCE IMMENSE PEACE.
AMERICA HAS CAUSED WARS AND TOPPLE DEMOCRATICALLY ELECTED GOVERNMENTS IN OVER 135 COUNTRIES SINCE THE END OF WW2

THE REASON FOR BRICS IS NOT TO FORM ALLIANCE/GROUPING AGAINST AMERICA, BUT TO COUNTER AMERICA THREATS AND DISRUPTIONS TO WORLD ECONOMY AND FREEDOM OF NAVIGATION.

AMERICA SANCTIONS AND INTERVENTIONIST POLICIES ARE THE REASONS FOR THE FORMATION OF BRICS, INFACT LET ME PUT IT THIS WAY "AMERICA CREATED BRICS"................. CHINA DOES NOT LIKE INDIA, IRAN DOESN'T LIKE QATAR, ETHIOPIA DOESN'T LIKE EGYPT.. BUT THEY ALL HAVE ONE ENEMY WHICH IS AMERICA.

SO BRICS IS FOR PERSONAL PRESERVATION AGAINST AMERICA GLOBAL MADNESS

Lol... Where more than two or three humans gather, there will always be a sort of dominance of one over the other. The notion that power can be shared equally is completely ridiculous. Gosh, Russia and China are ruled by dictators for God's sake. Yes, today, these dictators might be doing something great for their countries today, but what about tomorrow? How sure are we that the next set of dictators that replace them will not be worse? Where is the guarantee? This reminds me of 2015 when Nigerians were fed up of Jonathan and replaced him with something far worse.
We all have our grudges against the west but don't let us make the mistake of replacing them with a system that is worse. Most of the countries trying to create a multipolar world are ruled by dictators - how is that not a red flag to you? Those dictators only follow along because they want to see the fall of the west. However, to think that these dictators truly believe in the principle is naive - otherwise, they won't be dictators in the first place.
Note down my words, if the west should fall today, a vacuum will be created. Another kind of hegemony will arise - you are only replacing hegemony with another hegemony. A Yoruba proverb goes thus, ‘While crying, we still see’.

Your assertion that the fall of the United States will signal world peace is completely laughable - ever since time immemorial, humans have been waging war against one another long before the millienia before the United States exist. Even after it ceases to exist, the world will always experience war. Blaming the US for all wars is just dishonest way of seeing things. Just because policemen are involved in many conflicts doesn't mean that they started or instigated it. The reason why the US is involved in many wars and conflicts is because the US wants to prevent another world war - they are the ones trying to put dictators into check.
I believe that the United States should stop being the world police and just focus on the growth of her economy. Let her stand back and see the world burn. Humans are stiff-necked.

PS: The countries that stands to debunk your hypothesis that the US is responsible for unstable economies include Japan, South Korea, Saudi Arabia, Jordan, Canada, Israel and many European countries etc.
If you want to know more about a country, just take look at her neighbours. Russians neighbors detest Russia (in fact, Sweden and Finland were forced to NATO because of Russia). The same thing for China and for the rest of the dictators

The Israeli brain surgeons worked tirelessly to save his life many years ago by removing a tumor growing in his brain. The ungrateful brat repaid Israeli kindness with evil. Do you even know the funniest thing? The nephew of a dentist (Dr. Yuval Bitton) who helped to save his life was killed in the Oct. 7 massacre. When that stupid brat was released in 2011, he promised the dentist that he is grateful for what he did and that he will repay the kindness one day.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/20/middleeast/israeli-dentist-hamas-yahya-sinwar-intl/index.html

NothingDoMe:
They even have his DNA.

The Israeli brain surgeons worked tirelessly to save his life many years ago by removing a tumour growing in his brain. The ungrateful brat repaid Israeli kindness with evil. Do you even know the funniest thing? The nephew of a dentist (Dr. Yuval Bitton) who helped to save his life was killed in the Oct. 7 massacre. When that stupid brat was released in 2011, he promised the dentist that he is grateful for what he did and that he will repay the kindness one day.
https://www.cnn.com/2024/06/20/middleeast/israeli-dentist-hamas-yahya-sinwar-intl/index.html

Krismas:
At no time did the Ottoman take any land from Jews! Infact it was wen Abdulhamid 2 the Ottoman governor of Palestine was reigning that Jews started to come into Palestine and Rothschild paid Abdulhamid a lot of money to buy lands for jews. There were never Jews in Palestine ever before then. The Yahwists of Palestine were never Jews. The Hasmonean kingdom of Palestine was autonomous for 100yrs b4 Romans overturned it. The Hasmonean were never jews. They were Palestinians. There was never Israel on the map of this world b4 1948. Wen will u people stop talking nonsense?
Everything you wrote is nonsense.

1. I never said that the Ottoman empire took the land from the Jews. I was merely pointing out your double standards. If you want to blame the British empire, be consistent and blame the Ottoman empire too. At least the British empire was generous to relinquish the land to the UN. The land has to be forcefully taken away from the Ottoman empire.

2. (Sighs)... So, I am dealing with a conspiracy theorist here. My dear, there has never been a time that the Jews have not always been in that land. Yes, they were minorities for centuries after they were chased from the land, but do not ever deny their presence. Every ancient historical and archaeological evidence about that land were unanimous that the Jews have always been present in that land.

3. Your statement that the Yahwists of the Palestine are not the Jews is just you trying to split a strand of hair. You mean every historical records as well as archaeological (my dear, the evidences are so many that not even the enemies of the Jews can deny them) are all lying right? Or wait a minute, can you give me any historical evidence or source for this your claim? Let me see

4. There is no such thing as the kingdom of Palestine 100BC. That was a thing you either cooked up or you copied from an unreliable source. It was after the Romans forcefully ejected the Jews (though not all of them) from the land that the Romans gave the region it's name 'Palestine' in the second century BC.

5. Your assertion that there were no Israel before 1948 is completely misleading. Many nations were formed around that time and even after that time, so you mean those nations are illegal. Will you be consistent and call for the destruction of Jordan? Saudi Arabia? Pakistan? Bangladesh? Because these countries were founded in the last century.

The connection between the Jews and that land is backed by undeniable evidence. They were there before, during and after the Arabs settled there. The mass migration of the other Jews to that land was also caused by the Arab nations. What about the Arab nations that expelled the Jews among themselves? I see that you are uncharacteristically silent about them while pointing your fingers at Britain (even though Britain later tried to prevent the migration of the Jews to that land). The majority of the Jews that migrated to the land were from the Arab countries after they were forcefully evicted. That is why majority of the Jews there bear a lot of similarities with the Arabs

Empiree:
people like you have a lot to learn. Who is British/UN to give Palestinian land to Europeans?. Why didn't they give them ?.

This is what happens to you when you don't even study your own history.

Actually the shoe is on the other foot. What right does the Ottoman empire has to take control over the land in the first place? If you want to blame the British empire, blame the Ottoman empire. And if we trace the link, we will start blaming all the empires that took the land from the Jews in the first place. What right do these empires have in the first place?

We have the Jewish and Arab Palestinians. The Jewish Palestinians were satisfied with the land that was given them and built it. The Arab Palestinians weren't. The Jewish Palestinians welcome their own fellow Jews who were being persecuted around the world by both the Europeans and the Arabs. These Jews also welcomed the Arab Palestinians that were willing to live peacefully with them. While Arab states were expelling Jews just because they Jews, the only Jewish state in the region gladly welcomed the Arabs that were willing to live peacefully with them.

Your assertion that the Israeli state here mainly consists of Europeans is not only false but misleading. How do you think the Israeli Mossad were able to infiltrate the neighbouring Arab states (and even the nin-Arab)? Don't you think that their skin colour would have given them away? Of course, the infiltration was successful because a typical Jews shares a lot of similarities with the Arabs. Keep deluding yourself that the Israelis are most Europeans - maybe that's the reason why the Mullahs were not able to detect Mossad agents because they were expecting Europeans. 😂 😂 😂

Empiree:
[Rubbish and sentiment. Give your hometown to the Jews if you love them so much. Don't love them from distance.

I'll rather give it to the Jews than to the Arabs. At least the Jews did wonders to the little portion that was cut out to them. But your own strange bedfellow Arabs turned their portion into a hellhole. Your strange bedfellows have been all over the world wreaking havoc and causing problems all over problem but people like you keep making excuses for them and blaming others for their atrocities.
Oh... And news flash: The Arabs in the Golan heights kicked against Israel returning the land back to Syria. They would prefer to live under the Israelis than under Syrian government (which is a hell hole by the way)

Empiree:
Those European countries won't do anything militarily to stop rogue state but only talk because Israel is their last born. You don't maltreat last born. Last born are usually trouble kids in the house and they still get everything they want. That's what Israel is.

Israel is their last (western) colonial project.

The University of Ibadan, here in Nigeria, was built by colonialists. Walking you through your own delusions, we should just call for the dismantling of one of the top 3 universities in Nigeria because it was a colonialist project, right?
Mtttcheeew... Give me one evil or atrocities that were perpetrated by colonialists that has not been perpetrated by our own Nigerian leaders.
The US was a former colony of Britain. It could have chosen to start whining and keeping the grudges of their ancestors, blaming Britain for every problem it has. No, the US developed themselves and even sured her colonialists in of power. Now, both the US and UK are allies.
The Jews too could have used the excuse of the Holocaust to hate the Europeans, especially . The Jews could have hated the Arabs for them expelling the Jews among the Arab countries. Rather, the Israeli parents rather chose to teach their children to be better despite what has been done to them. Today, Israel is an ally of . Today, Israel accommodates about 2 million Arabs who can and did fill virtually any position or post within Israel.
Japanese parents could have taught their kids undying hatred of the US because she bombed Hiroshima and Nagasaki. No, they didn't do that. Where is Japan today? Japan is now a developed and first world country.
On the other hand, the Arab Palestinians keep teaching their kids undying hatred of the Jews - instructing their kids that the destruction of the Jews is far more important than their own lives - akin to how Islamic terrorists train and build suicide bombers. And the world keep rewarding these Arab Palestinians for bad behaviour. The blood of those innocent kids are in the hands of people like you who train them to be suicide killers

timesupnababa:
Is Beirut the battlefield? I haven't seen a single of your post about the trenches of Souther Lebanon. That's where the battle lines is. For over 40yrs Israel have never recorded a single victory there. They get slaughtered like termites and sent to hell. The real Hezbollah commanders are on the battlefield not in Beirut. Those old men Israel are claiming to have killed crushed Israel to pieces in the 80's and have written their names in gold. Their deaths are irrelevant. There won't be no Israel the minute Hezbollah declares a full warc

Lol... You guys never learn. Perhaps you have forgotten the Samson option. If Israel truly felt threatened, it will go nuclear and wipe out both herself and the most parts of the middle east. It's just better that these Arabs learn to leave Israel alone for good.

Krismas:
your writeup is needless lengthy and choked with so much LIES.
like talks about Israel always wanting to live peacefully with Palestinians is not only false, its also silly. things like iron dome, is wot is protecting Israel from Hamas rockets? whos range and explosive power is laughable by the way?
am not interested in exposing all ur obvious lies. i merely want to dismiss Mossab Hassan Yousef as a raving lunatic, who i have seen several times on piers Morgan show. his ignorance and sheer delusion, removes him from one, whos opinion and conviction is of any material importance in any matter Palestinian struggle. mossab is as ignorant as a deaf mute. Hamas founder's son my foot.
this is a link, of amnesty international, detailing Horrifying cases of torture and degrading treatment of Palestinian detainees in israeli prisons.

https://www.amnesty.org/en/latest/news/2023/11/israel-opt-horrifying-cases-of-torture-and-degrading-treatment-of-palestinian-detainees-

u google the rest. the condition of Palestinians in Israeli jails by UN and other international bodies of relevance so u see, that Mossab Hassan Yousef is a liar. the shin bet, usually recruit Palestinians in jail, by using torture and blackmail. like, they rape the women and video it. and then threaten to show the videos to their husband or fathers unless the women spy for the shin bet.
the Mossab fellow, was obviously recruited in prison. the rest story that touch u saying, on the matter, is just fiction. the father disowned him, because he slept with one of the fathers wives. and its my believe, the shin bet, probably forced him to do it. it may have been his recruitment ritual.
Mossab is a damaged goods. sold out to the colonizers, that have displaced his own people and murdered them in their thousands for over 75yrs

And here comes the conspiracy theorist...
1. What makes you think that Yosef is a liar? You have been neither to Israel nor Gaza. Mossab has bred and raised in Gaza. He was a son of one of the founding fathers of Hamas. Tell me, what makes you think you are in a better position to call him a liar? Which of his claims do you find unbelievable? Okay, let me give you glimpse into his experience:

"After being held underground for so long, it was wonderful to see the sky. It seemed as though I hadn’t seen the stars for years. They were beautiful, despite the huge camp lights that dimmed their brightness. But stars meant it was time to head to our tents to prepare for head count and bed. And that was when things got really confusing for me.
My number was 823, and prisoners were billeted in numerical order. That meant I should have been placed in the Hamas tent in Quadrant Three. But that tent was full, so I had been assigned to the corner tent in Quadrant One. When it came time for head count, however, I still had to stand in the appropriate place in Quadrant Three. That way, when the guard went down his list, he wouldn’t have to all the housekeeping adjustments that had been made to keep things tidy. Every movement of the head count was choreographed.
Twenty-five soldiers, M16s at the ready, entered Quadrant One and then moved from tent to tent. We all stood facing the canvas, our backs to the troops. Nobody dared move for fear of being shot. When they had finished there, the soldiers moved into Quadrant Two. After that, they closed both gates in the fence, so that no one from One or Two could slip into Three or Four to cover for a missing prisoner.
On my first night in Section Five, I noticed that a mysterious kind of shell game was taking place. When I first took my place in Three, a very sickly looking prisoner stood next to me. He looked horrible, almost as if he was about to die. His head was shaved; he was clearly exhausted. He never made eye . Who is this guy, and what happened to him? I wondered.
When the soldiers finished the head count in One and moved on to Two, somebody grabbed the guy, dragged him out of the tent, and another prisoner took his place next to me. I learned later that a small opening had been cut in the fence between One and Three so they could swap the prisoner with someone else.
Obviously, nobody wanted the soldiers to see the bald guy. But why? That night, lying in my bed, I heard somebody moaning in the distance, somebody who was clearly in a lot of pain. It didn’t last long, however, and I quickly drifted off to sleep.
Morning always came too quickly, and before I knew it, we were being awakened for predawn prayer. Of the 240 prisoners in Section Five, 140
guys got up and stood in line to use the six toilets—actually six holes with privacy barriers over a common pit. Eight basins for wudu. Thirty minutes. Then we lined up in rows for prayer. The daily routine was pretty much the same as it had been in the mi’var. But now there were twelve times as many prisoners. And yet I was struck by how smoothly everything went, even with that many people. No one ever seemed to make a mistake. It was almost eerie.
Everybody seemed to be terrified. No one dared break a rule. No one dared stay a little too long at the toilet. No one dared make eye with a prisoner under investigation or with an Israeli soldier. No one ever stood too close to the fence.
It didn’t take long, though, before I began to understand. Flying under the radar of the prison authorities, Hamas was running its own show, and they were keeping score. Break a rule, and you got a red point. Collect enough red points, and you answered to the maj’d, the Hamas security wing—tough guys who didn’t smile and didn’t make jokes.
Most of the time, we didn’t even see the maj’d because they were busy collecting intelligence. The message balls thrown from one section to
another were from them and for them. One day, I was sitting on my bed when the maj’d came in and shouted, “Everybody evacuate this tent!” Nobody said a word. The tent was empty in seconds. They took a man inside the now-empty tent, closed the flap, and posted two guards. Somebody turned on the TV. Loud. Other guys started to sing and make noises.
I didn’t know what was going on inside the tent, but I had never heard a
human being scream like that guy did. What could he have done to deserve that? I wondered. The torture went on for about thirty minutes. Then two maj’d brought him out and took him to another tent, where the interrogation began again. I had been talking to a friend named Akel Sorour, who was from a village close to Ramallah, when we were evacuated.
“What’s going on in that tent?” I asked.
“Oh, he is a bad guy,” he said simply.
“I know he is a bad guy, but what are they doing to him? And what has he done?”
“He didn’t do anything in prison,” Akel explained. “But they say when he was in Hebron he gave the Israelis information about a Hamas member, and it sounded like he was talking a lot. So they torture him from time to time.”
“How?”
“They usually put needles under his fingernails and melt plastic food trays onto his bare skin. Or they burn off his body hair. Sometimes they put a big stick behind his knees, force him to sit on his ankles for hours, and don’t let him sleep.”
Now I understood why everyone was so careful to toe the line and what had happened to the bald man I saw when I first arrived. The maj’d hated collaborators, and until we could prove otherwise, we were all suspected of being collaborators, spies for the Israelis.
Because Israel had been so successful in identifying Hamas cells and imprisoning its , the maj’d assumed that the organization must be riddled with spies, and they were determined to expose them. They watched every move we made. They watched our manners and listened to everything we said. And they tallied up the points. We knew who they were, but we didn’t know who their spies were. Somebody I thought was a friend could work with the maj’d, and I could find myself being investigated tomorrow. I decided my best bet was to keep to myself as much as I could and be very careful whom I trusted. Once I understood the atmosphere of suspicion and treachery in the camp, my life changed dramatically. I felt as though I was in an entirely different prison—one in which I could not move freely, talk freely, trust or relate or befriend. I was afraid to make a mistake, be late, sleep through wake-up calls, or nod off during jalsa.
If someone was “convicted” by the maj’d of being a collaborator, his life was over. His family’s life was over. His kids, his wife, everyone
abandoned him. Being known as a collaborator was the worst reputation anyone could have. Between 1993 and 1996, more than 150 suspected collaborators were investigated by Hamas inside Israeli prisons. About sixteen were murdered.
...
I spent my days copying dossiers on prisoners. We were very careful to keep this information out of reach of the prison officials. We never used names, just code numbers. Written on the thinnest paper available, the files read like the worst kind of pornography. Guys confessed to having had sex with their mothers. One said he had had sex with a cow. Another had had sex with his daughter. Yet another had had sex with his neighbor, filmed it with a spy camera, and given the photographs to the Israelis. The Israelis, the report said, showed the pictures to the neighbor and threatened to send them to her family if she refused to work with their spy. So they kept having sex together and collecting information and having sex with others and filming it, until the entire village seemed to be working for the Israelis. And this was just the first file I was asked to copy.
It seemed crazy to me. As I continued to copy the files, I realized that suspects under torture were being asked things they couldn’t possibly know about and giving answers they thought their torturers wanted to hear. It seemed obvious that they would say anything just to make the torture stop. I also suspected that some of these bizarre interrogations served no purpose other than to feed the sexual fantasies of the imprisoned maj’d.
Then one day, my friend Akel Sorour became one of their victims. He was a member of a Hamas cell and had been arrested many times, but for some reason he was never accepted by the urban Hamas prisoners. Akel was a simple farmer. The way he spoke and ate seemed funny to the others, and they took advantage of him. He tried his best to gain their trust and respect by cooking and cleaning for them, but they treated him like trash because they knew he served them out of fear.
...
I saw Akel only a few times over the next few weeks. His head and beard had been shaved, his eyes were glued to the ground. He was skinny and looked like an old man at death’s door. Later, I was given his file to copy. He had confessed to having sex with every woman in his village as well as with donkeys and other animals. I knew that every word was a lie, but I copied the file, and the maj’d sent it to his village. His sister disowned him. His neighbors shunned him.
[Son of Hamas, pg. 91-95]

Also he said:

"Time dragged on. Suspicion grew. Every day, there was screaming; every night, torture. Hamas was torturing its own people! As much as I wanted to, I simply could not find a way to justify that.
Soon it got even worse. Instead of one person, three would be under investigation at the same time. One morning at four o’clock, a guy ran
through the section, scrambled up and over the perimeter fence, and in twenty seconds was outside the camp, his clothes and his flesh shredded by the razor wire. An Israeli tower guard swung his machine gun around and took aim.
“Don’t shoot!” the guy screamed. “Don’t shoot! I’m not trying to escape. I’m trying to get away from them!” And he pointed to the panting maj’d
who glared out at him through the fence. Soldiers ran out the gate, threw the inmate to the ground, searched him, and took him away.
Was this Hamas? Was this Islam?"
[ibid. pg.97]

That last excerpt was particularly disturbing. One of the Palestinians (who is also a Hamas member himself) preferred the guns of the Israeli soldiers to the torture is fellow were subjecting him to. Are these the freedom fighters the world seems to be fighting for?

cococandy:
Israel first attacked. Now what?!!!

Since yall don’t want to educate yourselves.

Maybe read a little past Oct 7th if you really aren’t a bigot who’s masking his hatred of Muslims by unthinkingly touting “but oct 7th and the hostages”. Like Righteousness and that botragelad dude.

Bunch of soulless bigots.

The monkey y’all are feeding today will eat your faces too. Only a matter of time. If you like, Play with Israel and their deep calculating hegemonic tendencies to your national and ancestral demise.

Ask Americans how far. Our politicians can’t make any decisions now regarding everyday Americans without Isreal’s approval. They will get all of you too. One by one.

All they have to do is convince you that all Muslims are terrorists and deserve to die. Then you their ethnic of Muslims cleansing based on that.

When they come for you, peep the anti-Christian sentiments that has been brewing in the background? It will rise and engulf y’all. And others will stand by too and watch it happen.

1. Yes, I have read past Oct. 7. Do you know what? Let me introduce you to Mossab Hassan Yousef - a son of one of the founding fathers of Hamas (also known as the Green Prince) gave us a very valuable insight into how Hamas was founded and how it grew into a terrorist organisation. He documented this in a book titled 'Son of Hamas'. I can send you a copy of you wish.
This guy will definitely laugh at your ignorance about your view on Palestinian. See how He dealt with one of your fellow terrorist sympathiser here:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FaR-hEHUudw
Mossab also grew up blaming the Israelis for the problem of the Palestinians (as he was taught). He was arrested, of course. While in prison, he came to the greatest shock of his life. The brutality of the Palestinian prisoners against one another IN THE NAME OF RELIGION AND IDEOLOGY sures every presumed brutality of the Israelis against the Palestinians. On the other hand, he was also shocked at the kindness of the top Israeli officials towards him. He saw kindness where he did not expect and met brutality in a place he called home. You see, he has a far better understanding about the Palestinians and Hamas that you ever could.
He decided to rethink everything he has been taught. He began to shed away all the hatred taught to him from childhood. He later recanted and ed the Shin Bet who surprisingly took him as one of their own. He helped them save thousands of lives from terrorism - even saving the life of a president.
He and his shin bet handler (Gonen) became very very close friends.
He later left Shin Bet and decided to go to the US despite pleas from this agency. The Israeli government even offered to set up a multimillion dollar business for him but he vehemently rejected it.
He went to the US. After writing his book, he was arrested and was almost deported back to Palestine (where his people will surely kill him) - it was his Shin bet handler that travelled to the US to testify on his behalf that he was not a terrorist but a changed person who had saved thousands of lives (going against the law of his country and order of his superiors - he even missed his promotion exams to testify for Mossab in the court).
Here you have it: An Israeli and a Palestinian becoming very close friends despite the fact that the father of the former arrested the father of the former. How did this come about? It comes by both parties taking the extra steps to put aside their hostilities and coming to accept each other. Mossab got disowned by his father (who was still in prison and still alive because Mossab pleaded with the Israeli government to spare his father's life) while Gonen (the shin bet handler) gave a middle finger to the order of his superiors and also to the exam that will get him promoted.
You pressuring the Israelis to give up their hostility won't work at all - you're only worsening the matter. The Israeli government is a like a mother bear whose cubs are endangered and will do everything, everything to protect them. The Israelis have shown, times and over again, that they are willing to co-exist with the Palestinians. However, the Palestinians shows no effort on their own part - they decided to go the lazy route - blame Israel for all their troubles and woes - even those they inflicted on themselves.
Before Oct. 7, Palestinians have been attacking Israel - shooting thousands of rockets. Israel would have been a rubble by now if not for the Iron dome - and maintaining the iron dome is very costly. Now, kindly locate a country in the world that is likely to tolerate this kind of attack from her neighbour without retaliating? Give me an example! Or do you expect the Israeli government to keep wasting billions in defending herself against people that are bent on destroying her?
Okay, before Oct. 7, the Israelis withdrew from Gaza in 2005. The Palestinians got what they wanted YET they drove into Israel and started carrying out suicide attacks. Israel sealed the border (just like Egypt has done). The Palestinians elected Hamas and the launching of rockets began.
Don't forget that 1948 is before Oct. 7 when the Arabs attacked the newly formed Jewish state.
Don't forget that before Oct. 7, Jews were expelled from the Arab and many Islamic countries only to find a home in Israel. Now, tell me, how will you feel if these Jews begin to lobby against these countries, insisting that they want to go back to their land?
Don't forget that before Oct. 7, these Palestinians (who are mostly Arabs by the way) left their places by themselves because their fellow Islamists want to invade Israel. But Israel defeated them and won their lands in a defensive war. Egypt lost Sinai but Israel gave it back to her provided that Egypt no longer attacks her - don't forget that Sinai has oil. Israel offered up Gaza to Egypt but Egypt rejected it.
The farther we keep going from Oct. 7, there is no way a reasonable person will put the blame on the Jews. They just want to be left alone. They just want a place where they can feel safe. This is their ancestral land - archaeologifal evidences have provided tons of proofs for this. Historical evidence unanimously said that the land has always belonged to the Jews. The Jews are willing to share the land but the Arabs want an Islamic Caliphate established in that land where Jews are second class citizens. When Jordan was occupying West Bank, why was there no outcry against Jordan? Or do you think if countries like Saudi, Iran or other gulf countries had annexed Gaza, you think there will be this much outcry?
Let the Jews breathe. They have done so much for humanity

2. Your assertion that the Jews control American politicians is just laughable. If the Jews were really in charge of the US, Gaza would have been destroyed several decades ago. You see, Israel is very valuable to the US. Why? Because they provide value. That's why the US keeps her close. In the middle east, Israel is a rare gem. The Jews have contributed immensely in the field of science and technology. That's the only country in the Middle east that resembles democracy. No apartheid - the Arabs that stayed behind when the Arabs nations attacked (rather than foolishly ing their brethren) are enjoying the same right as Jews. They occupy top positions in Israel. Give me an example like this in Palestine.

You keep screaming that the Jews are wicked people trying to invade or conquer the world. Did I need remind you that your beloved Palestinians have wrecked havoc in the Arab world? Were they not the one who betrayed Kuwait (their host) and assisted Sadam in invading her - after which Kuwait expelled them? Were they not the one who formed a parallel government in Jordan and even assassinated her prime minister? They even tried to kill the Jordanian king. Were they not the one threw Lebanon into a civil war? Lebanon has not recovered from this ordeal till date. Or why does Egypt not trust them? Yet you keep screaming that the Israelis are our problem while your beloved Palestinians are going from country to country, wreaking havoc, sowing the seed of unrest and destroying everything - all because of a lie that you and your fellows keep telling them that they deserve what they never earned in the first place.

Don't tell us about conscience at all - for yours have been seared beyond recovery. Your hatred of the Jews has beclouded your sense of justice. Yes, keep blaming the Jews for the problems of the world - this is what led to the Holocaust in the first place. Is the Israeli government perfect? No. Then again, there is no one single flawless government in the world. However, if left to choose between the Palestinian civilization and the Israeli civilization, I'll gladly go for the Israeli civilization.
Let the Jews breathe

wirinet:

Christianity and Islam are different sides of the same coin. The only difference is that Islam is 600 years behind Christianity. All the violence and intolerance exhibited by Islam today are the same violence and intolerance exhibited by Christianity in the 1300 to 1800s

Really? Many of your fellow wokes in the western world (especially in Europe) also labor under the illusion that Christianity and Islam are similar (and that Islam is just at the violent stage) and now most of them are regretting their lazy comparison.
Right from the onset of Islam, it has always been violent. Even right after the death of their founder (who was also a violent man), his followers begin to kill each other, fighting for power - even the founder's family wasn't spared. Now, is there a counterpart for this in Christendom? Of course not - this is the reason why you have to flash forward over a thousand years in a particular part of Europe to find your example (ignoring the fact that Christianity has it's history in the other continents too)
And for the violence you're pointing to (which I'm sure your fellow wokes always try to exaggerated), was it not Christians who laid down their lives to oppose those who baatardize the name of Christ? Can you compare that to the silence and non-challant attitude of the 'moderate muslims' to the atrocities committed by their radical brothers - these very same 'moderate' Muslims who will find their voice if someone burns their religious book or speak unworthy of their prophet.

As someone who is well-versed in both Christianity and Islam, I can assure you that it is the mentally lazy people who just lampoon Christianity and Islam as similar when they are worlds apart. Islam is a political religion - it's mission is to dominate the world. That's the reason why it came with it's own set of political laws. Christianity doesn't have such - and every attempts to make merge the Church and the State are always disastrous (reason why the earliest church fathers kicked against the merging of the State and the Church). Christianity, as a religion, fosters secular states.

Yes, bash Christianity all you want but I do have a low view of those who think that Christianity and Islam are similar or 'different sides of the same coin'. This statement just exposed your ignorance of history of both religions

Lithiumite:


Please check the dictionary meaning of the word servant and also slave.....Christianity had very limited bearing on the abolition of slave trade and everyone knows the manifest reason was the adoption of the industrialisation economic model.

1. The OT was written in Hebrew (and Aramaic). The Hebrew word 'ebed' means slave, servant, bondsman etc.

2. That's patently false... Some western countries like have been making moves to ban slavery in the 14th century - long before the industrial revolution. Long before industrial revolution, there are have been Christian movements campaigning for the end of slavery. Abolitionists made it loud and clear that the reason why they opposed slavery was due to their religious beliefs - unless perhaps you know better than them. Even with industrial revolution, if the Westerners do not have the conscience to end slavery, they could have found other menial jobs for slaves to do.

Paul said:

Were you a slave when you were called? Don’t let it trouble you—although if you can gain your freedom, do so. (1 Cor. 7:21)

Even though he doesn't have the political power to ban slavery in the modern world, Paul encourages those who can regain their freedom to always do so. Does this look like someone who will encourage slavery? Or look at Jesus Himself. Is His character consistent with someone who will own slaves? See how He treated His disciples, see how He dealt with the Jewish elites (Pharisees, Sadducees etc.) who owned, see how He identify with lowliest of lowlies in the society. Or which of Jesus' apostles owned slaves? Or you think some of them are not rich enough to buy slaves?

It all boils down to this:

There is neither Jew nor Gentile, neither slave nor free, nor is there male and female, for you are all one in Christ Jesus. (Gal. 3:28)

Jesus' golden rule:

'In everything, do to others what you would have them do to you.' Matt. 7:21

This rule, when followed, effectively outlaws slavery and other societal evils

Lithiumite:


The reason why Christian ideology is so terrible,even Jesus nor any of the prophets including the entire bible never condemned slavery,not even a single sentence against it.

Let's even ignore the fact that it was the full moral force of Christianity that banned Christianity from the globe for a moment.
What role did your forefathers' religion played in banning slavery? You guys seem to have selective amnesia.
It is called slave TRADE for a reason. Why blame the ones who buy slaves and leave out the ones who kidnapped and sold the slaves to them? Also, every race is guilty of slavery - yes, even the blacks too.
It was Christianity that banned slavery from the globe NOT atheism, not your forefathers' religion, not the other religions - It was Christianity. If not for Christianity, you would likely be slaving away in a slave farm - being a slave to your fellow black won't offer any comfort.
The world was already a mess when the nation of Israel was formed. The Israelites themselves were slaves and God redeemed them from slavery. God explicitly forbade the Israelites from kidnapping people and selling them as slaves. The typical 'slave' you see in the Bible are just indentured servants (typical of what pertains to master-apprentice relationship here in Nigeria). For instance, Jacob serves his uncle Laban as slaves for years and expected payment in return.
The slavery that God was regulating in the Bible was nothing but indentured servitude - one party consenting to serve the other for number of time to do things like paying off debts, getting money to establish business etc. And God places a maximum number of years on this servitude - 7 years unless the slave wanted to renew the contract.
The only slaves that the Israelites are allowed to buy are foreigners - and there are laws that God made to protect these foreigners until they get integrated into the Jewish community.
Also, we have prisoners of war who are made slaves since Israel has no prison system.

Flash forward to the NT, the scriptures regarded both high and low as the equal before God's eyes. When Onesimus ran away from His master, Philemon, a crime punishable by death according to Roman law, Paul pleaded with Philemon asking him to receive and welcome Onesimus just as he would receive Paul.
In fact, one of the distinguishing feature of Christianity in early Rome was the destruction of the caste system - one of the reasons why the Roman elites are wary of Christianity and tried to persecute it.
Flash forward to about 2 centuries ago, it was Christians who laid down their lives to ensure that slavery was banned from the globe. It was the Christians in the West who started a civil war to ensure that slavery is banned once and for all.
The concept of human rights that people around the world enjoy was built upon the long centuries of Christian civilization - that's the reason why the concept of human rights was enmeshed in countries where Christianity exerts a heavy amount of influence.

Hate Christianity all you want, it's your choice but at least give credit where credit is due. Once again, it was Christianity that banned slavery from the globe NOT atheism, not your forefathers' religion which celebrated slavery. We haven't forgotten yet

Righthussle:
Organized Religion na bad thing oo.

I stopped practicing Christianity after reading about The Crusades and The Doctrine Of Discovery. Christianity and Islam is not for me.

And what about the Crusades? Or are you listening to the version of the Crusades propped up by the wokes and liberals in the name of virtue signalling? Whether you like it or not, Crusades helped in checking the power of Islam - it prevented Islam from dominating the west. For over 4 centuries, Islam was busy destroying churches in the East but you decided to blame the Church for fighting back. Yes, you can feel smug and think you're better, but always keep at the back of your mind that you're still enjoying the concepts of human rights which was built by the sweat and blood of Christians (NOT atheists).
I wonder what you would do if I begin to bring tge atrocities committed in the name of atheism

Honestey:


And you want America to continue to command respect it forcibly gets globally right?
What has US done for humanity? Under US as the world most powerful nation Africa is reduced to nothing sort of mockery of human experience and kept really really poor. Mr US what do you stand to gain in America not having a competitor? Yes Niger may be shitting on its own head by chosing new master instead of total freedom but what choice do they have? America was ready to keep them under direct control after noticing that Niger had chased out , doesn't that worries you for the lives of Africans now and in the future? Perhaps these happenings are too complex for you to digest.

Keep deceiving yourself. America is not in any way a threat to us. In fact, they have donated a huge amount of money to Nigeria over the years. Your leaders keep embezzling them. So what exactly do you want America? Overthrow our leaders? If they do that, you will still blame them. Now, that they folded their hands watching, observing - you still blame them. You people are just so impossible to please. Our political leaders have done far worse to us than the colonialists ever done. Hold your leaders responsible and stop blaming America for the failure of your leaders.
Besides, have you ever compared the status of a Nigerian employee working in American owned company with a Chinese owned company before? Stop blaming the whites for your mistakes. They are not stealing our resources. It is our leaders that are doing so

LagosG:

You're still a slave obviously

We all are slaves, one way or the other. I know my Master. Do you know your own master(s)?

LagosG:

So because of my statement, I am Muslim right? Na wa o. You're a stupid dimwit. I said Christianity justified slavery. Did I say Christianity started slavery? Mumu Empty skull

I'm curious though. What do you mean by Christianity justified slavery? If so, how come it took the full moral force of Christianity to ban slavery from the globe? Or did you forget that if not for Christianity, you'll probably be languishing away in a slaver farm? Yes, blame Christianity for a crime it was able to end - you street atheists never cease to amaze me. Oh... Just so you know, back in the day, atheists are more vocal in ing slavery - atheists and liberals justified slavery by using the benefits it will provide the economy. It was the Christians that started a civil war in order to end slavery - NOT atheists.
Ungrateful set of people gbogbo

k4kenny:


Everything you listed above is as a direct result of Israhell hijcking our elections in 2015. According to a report in the Vanguard a year ago, Israhell has hijacked elections of over 30 countries, including Nigeria. The previous istration came and almost immediately, the our currency began to fall against the dollar. How, why? Now we can see the link between Zionist-run America and Tinubu. Isn't it funny the US practically covered up his drugs and College ish? Our president is a tool in the hands of the Zionists and they'll use him to ruin our country for their own benefit.

This matter concerns us all. A lot of people are seeing israhelli involvement in their daily lives, even the Americans are fed up; their country is in shambles, but their genocide joe is still insisting on sending an additional 14billion to Israhell.

Once Palestine is free, so will be the rest of the world by the special grace of God.

Oh... You must be a Muslim. I'm not surprised at all. After all, if you guys can believe that you need verbal revelation on how to go to the toilet (meaning that you're devoid of natural revelation that God has freely given to all mankind)) then you can believe anything from your clerics...
Your hatred against the Jews has turned into an obssession.
That's the problem I have with Muslims. They will always blame others for their errors or mistakes. Even though the Middle East is the birthplace of terrorism (thanks to Islam), you still think that the Jews are responsible for all world's problem.
So the Jews are responsible for Nigeria's problems, right?
Oh... poor Kudi, who did this to you? Please wake up and began to use the natural light that God has freely given to mankind.