I lived in China for 7years,came as a student and ended up being a very successful business man there. I would say bar visa issues, lack of religious freedoms, language barrier, can only purchase condos/apartments, social security net,... China is vastly superior to Canada in so many ways. So China is indeed VERY attractive to Chinese who schooled in the west, especially as returning Chinese have government incentives and get paid better compared to those who studied at home.
Actually, I am glad their yansh don open to the public. Anytime I go through the complaints by many Westerners, I am always glad no be black people. I am also glad for the Chinese. No one has said anything bad towards them. The power of wealth and intelligent elites. Unfortunately for Indians, their country is not conducive compared to China. So returning to India isn't as attractive as the Chinese do to China. That said, what do you think of the recent bromance between the GOP Silicon Valley ers and the Indian community? As for the H1B debacle and country cap, I believe it would favour our people too regardless of how they tweak the system. The same happened with Brexit. Just the African American population would be further reduced if there is a significant influx of black Africans into the US over a period of time.
In my opinion, there are two reasons the West cozy-ed up with India:
- Historical racism against black people. It is hard to let go so they go along with the other group they indentured, but not as bad as black people.
In recent years, this was to have a sort of friendship with India as a way to counter/contain (using their words) China. To its credit, the Indian government always includes migration exchanges/clauses in any trade agreement with a major economic power. India is already the world's most populous country (it was second for years), so the numbers favoured them.
100%.
That's why I laugh when people call me selfish for advocating for a more cautious approach to immigration. I don't only want people to relocate here, but to relocate AND succeed. What's happening in the last few years is people coming here and lamenting how bad Canada is. You don't need to look far to see all the bitter complains and stories all around, with rising insecurity, growing unemployment and underemployment, overload of public services, housing issues, etc and all other ramifications that come with mass immigration. Immigrants are quitting in record numbers, and most can't wait to get citizenship and move South of the border or go home.
SIRTee15:
I'm happy we having this discussion a lot of people tend to shy away from. As immigrants, govt policy also impacts us and it's important we share our opinion without fear of being blackmailed.
The truth is massive immigration benefits nobody and whoever advocates for it doesn't know anything about societal structure or nation building.
I know this thread is about giving advise to those relocating to Canada but it also important for those coming to have a true picture of what's on ground here.
No I'm not dreaming of a complete reversal, but I'm hoping for a PM who isn't a woke tom boy as Trudeau is. A PM who promotes traditional family values and that's what PP has been doing. A PM who clearly defines the two sexes as biology teaches, and not one who can't differentiate a man from a woman. A PM who doesn't to match for gay parades. Not a PM who serves the interest of gay people than he cares for the needs of the average Canadian. A PM who wouldn't promote policies to have gay flags printed on crosswalks in the guise of fighting for minority rights. I'm hoping for a solid leader and not a sissy.
Journe:
It's seems you moved here recently, read about Canada history, it's what they have always done irrespective of the Prime Minister from the days of giving Black Americans who were slaves at that time refuge, some of them are still in Nova Scotia till date, whenever US or some other country invades another country, Canada is always giving them that refuge, it should be balanced though because we're not the cause of any of these wars and shouldn't suffer it in anyway.
Before you moved here you already know that Canada is pro lgbt, when Pollievre enters you would be dreaming if you think he would reverse any of those laws, something that has been in existence since 2005 and conservatives didn't bother, it's in 2025 that they would now change anything? As long as they remove children and teenagers less than 18, we're good.
There's no stereotypes in my writeup unless you misunderstood.
What I am against is mass immigration.
I'm all for cautious, calculated and diverse immigration. One that meets true needs, one that unites families, one that encourages innovation.
Not immigration built on lies about fake labour shortages or pathways to permanent residence and fake diploma mills. Such serves no one but a lose lose situation for all.
And yes, I am not for bringing in 50k refugees at random from war torn countries. Why stop at 50k? Why not bring in 500k? What happens to the millions who are still in the war setting?
We have seen the ravaging fruits across Europe.
Even Arab themselves have advised against it, but Canada and Europe are world benevolent lords. Let them enjoy the fruits.
Which reinforcement are you talking about? Canadian police that can't track and retrieve a stolen vehicle will be able to reinforce law against Palestinian refugees who have ideological ideas as they do? Nice joke.
There is nothing wrong in bringing in refugees.
I mean I have met wonderful ppl who were kids of or refugees themselves from Afghanistan here in the UK.
They run their business, pay their taxes. and cause no trouble
It's a case of law enforcement and letting people know that if you mess up here, you will be dealt with squarely.
Stereotyping ethnic groups as all bad doesn't help (I know what I said about Indians, however it is not all Indians that do it, it just happens that majority of the ppl caught up in it happen to be from india)
Law enforcement makes a whole lot of difference
UAE as draconian as they can be are that way to prevent bad behaviour
About your talk on "sexual degeneracy "
Well I am all for same sex relationships, and two adults doing what they want as long as it bothers no one. That's the good fruit of a Liberal society
however, the gender reassignment for kids is what I am not sure I can agree with. and of course there has to be a bound on how far these things go.
But gays and lesbians are fine by me
Worked with them, lived with them, no issues at all
You have not been in their enclaves
You have not been a victim of their mercenary practices at the workplace
Or seen upclpse and personal, how they are thevembodiment of lo trust society with their lying, cheating and high scale forgery
Indians are the only group of ppl I know that will forge Bachelors, forge the transcripts and then use it to enter uni in the west and then be falling like mumu
I schooled with them, I know
Go and read reports in Canada about their "scores"
One was even arrested recently because the fool bragged that he forged docs and lied about his personal circumstances to get the scholarship that brought him to Canada
Mr Jedisco, forget all that shalaye you are doing
The culmination of all the rubbish their ppl have been doing is what has made rhe collective west fed up of them
All that "net contributor" talk na just on the side
Your last paragraph is even more laughable
Do you even know that it is rhe fallout of Indian migration that even made the UK tighten their immigration policies?
Do u know how many unis are complaining about the evils these guys have done?
Or how the Indian tenant is now being stereotyped?
Indians are now the face of what is wrong with migration today in the west
"Under reported in crimes " (not when it comes to lying, cheating and forgery)
What about the fact that once there's war, Canada brings in refugees that neighbouring countries could not take; from Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine. That's importing. These have proven to be counter productive, time and time again.
Or what about promoting degenerate sexual tendencies; including homosexuality, sexual reassignment surgeries, transgenderism, adoption by same sex couples, etc has got to do with right wing media?
Why did you leave Nigeria for western countries if there aren't any desirable values that brought you here?
"You seem to forget that Trudeau govt is a coalition govt with the NDP (or so)"
Which explains my point. Trudeau has been under minority government and needed the NDP to get things done. If PP wins as the polls are showing, he will have the overwhelming majority and can more easily implement his policies.
You seem to forget that Trudeau govt is a coalition govt with the NDP (or so)
Without playing ball, Trudeau will get the Houmza Yousef treatment in Scotland. From your use of words, I can really see that you are neck deep in the right wing media Web
"import immigrants"
"Christian values lol "
and those other buzzwords
"traditional family values" lol
Such anti-Canadian rhetoric like singing death to Canada is the fruit of liberal policies. You see war anywhere? Let's import 50000 people from there, meanwhile their immediate neighbours won't accept taking them.
The Christian values I am referring to are the values which built the Western nations to the way they are. The actions of some political heads who weaponized their power to enslave and abuse others doesn't erode these. Why did you leave Nigeria? It is often said that let whites(Americans, Canadians, etc, you name it) come to Nigeria and Nigerians come to America, Canada, etc, and few decades later, Nigerians will be flying to come back to Nigeria. It's a fact that Western countries are better builders of institutions, of innovations, of development, etc.
"What's liberal police ? Police is Police, even when Conservatives are in power, the police move like that"
The Canadian police/army has never been this weak and helpless as it is currently. That's why Donald Trump has threatened Canada to adjust and the whole country is shaking. Please check this YouTube video fact checking Donald Trump's case about the Canadian border:
For every one American that comes to Canada, we have like 5 Canadians moving to the USA. Make it easy for Canadians to move to the US and alot of people will move down south. Where are all the health workers going to? Where are Canadian tech workers and engineering graduates going to? They're all moving down south for better pay cheques, cheaper real estate, better weather, etc.Alot of people are just using Canada as a stepping stone to move south. These are facts not sentiments.
Journe:
Chanting death to Canada doesn't make sense to me though even if you are born here no matter the reason
Which Christian values did they abandoned ? The one that made Leopold of Belgium to brutally maim and murder millions of indigenous people?
The one that made killed thousands of people in Namibia and millions of Jews ?
The one that made French army to torture, and commit all form of attrocities in Algeria?
Or the one that made the head of a catholic diocese resign due to sexual abuse of boys ?
What's liberal police ? Police is Police, even when Conservatives are in power, the police move like that, something needs to be done about it truly though
"Moving to the USA even illegally is a dream for most who are in Canada. Again the bigger picture" For most ? Only few people who were denied US visa and managed to move here and they're also the ones clamoring for 51st state so bad, let's them leave and move south after all your loyalty lies in there.
Immigration, giving birth talk, do you think if Canada has enough people they'll be interested in bringing new immigrants especially person of color like you ? I'm sure you prayed and fasted before you get it. P and P2 is increasing this 2025
On the surface you seem to make some decent points, but you are only scratching the surface which doesn't for the disastrous implications thereof. You just can't dismiss the growing racial tensions, hatred, nepotism and anti-Canadian sentiments as just "bad eggs". This same ivity is the reason why liberals can't figure out destruction they bring upon themselves and their respective nations.
What caused it? What is being done to address it? Increasing immigration numbers in the guise of labour shortage and bringing capital? How's that working out for the overall quality of life of the regular Canadian, immigrant , temporal foreign worker, or student? The consequences have been nothing but disastrous and most people will tell you their quality of living was much better 10years ago than it is today. Public services are jammed. PRs take 6-12months to find work. Students abandon courses after spending much because they do not find work to complement their needs. Wage growth is being suppressed, some groups only hire their own once they get to leadership. Immigrants are quitting in record numbers. Food banks are flooded in record numbers and crime has experienced 100% growth in the last few years. Moving to the USA even illegally is a dream for most who are in Canada. Again the bigger picture!!!
The situation of the UK is not a right wing media narrative, it is a much more sinister than you are making it out to be. It is a spineless undemocratic hellhole gradually crumbling unto perdition. And Canada is following the same footsteps.
Why has Tommy Robinson been detained, threatened and banned for making a documentary about these crimes since January 2022?
He's currently serving an 18-month prison term and Elon Musk has called for his release;
Why did the current left wing PM of the UK Keir Starmer actively silence these cases back in 2008-2013 when he served as the Director of Public Prosecutions and head of the Crown Prosecution services?
Protect the border? No they can't. Border agents and courts don't even have the powers to deport someone who entered illegally under liberal rule. Your car is stolen? Liberal police can't help you. Infact if they catch the thief, he will be out within 24hours. Porous borders where illicit substances and even your cars are shipped overseas easily? Yep that's the fruit of liberalism.
Immigrants just do not "integrate". You know the reason why when nations grow more prosperous they tend to make less children? They feel self sufficient, gloating in freedom and possibilities money brings, and abandon God. It's compounded further by degenerate ideologies about freedom, sex and family, and the fundamental unit of the society is threatened. Instead of promoting traditional family values, and incentivizing births, they think mass immigration can solve the issue. Bad idea.
I absolutely agree migration plays a role in housing, but where we differ is the comparative significance of this role. Migration helps to maintain the vibrancy of a market that contributes upto 40% of national GDP. Even if you feel that number is too high, you don't want a rapid decline and with any vibrant market, you'd have periods of boom and bust. Those living in canada and already paying rents should be encouraged to get on the ladder. It's how they'd build wealth.
There are several ways the government can tame the market which they could use when it gets overheated - yearly ground rent, much higher tax for foreign buyers e.t.c. But again, you don't want excessive government interference in a free market.
Anything done has to be without an emotional mindset as many provinces rely on capital gains tax they get on sales e.t.c This is not considering the significant rise in GDP constructing 1 million homes would bring. Also, foreigners bringing in capital from their country is a good thing - reason why many countries have been very careful in placing a ban on foreign ownership.
I still take exception to using the word importing when describing people who followed a perfectly legitimate means offered by the Canadian government to migrate.
There would always be bag eggs. That does not mean you throw the baby away with the bath water. Those folks will still integrate or their kids would and bring a good cultural mix.
Careful when referencing the UK (or EU) based on media narratives- there is a reason why all of a sudden there's an uproar for an event that happened over a decade ago. The Conservative party who are asking for a new enquiry didn't do anything about the last enquiry on same issue that lasted 7 years and was concluded while they were in power. I have seen this before - its what led to Brexit. Even the extra health levy (in addition to the regular income tax) all working non-settled migrants pay came about when there was an overblown narrative of a few visitors using the NHS. The government fed on this to introduce a surcharge on immigrating workers (not those visiting). On the rape issue, it'd interest you to know that there were similar horrific incidents on same scale perpetrated by mainly white men which hardly saw any significant media attention. The scapegoating of migrants is not a new thing - before BAMEs and Europeans, it was the Irish being blamed - see attached. Before the Irish, it was the Jews.
Birth rates are unlikely to rise anytime soon. Its a fact of modern soceital development. The richer and more educated, the less kids are born- even in Africa, same trend is taking shape. Virtually no developed country has been able to reverse this despite huge initiatives some have taken. As birthrates are dropping across the developed world, the circa 400k folks Canada aims to invite this year via the EE pathway would not be filled from the anglosphere.
Same also with the H1B. All the talk of merit = more Indians. Simply because they have the numbers and network effect.
With a majority government, a lot gets done. Unless you want to tell us that Trudeau had no powers and that no prime minister has the power or rights to do anything, then things can eventually get done. How did Trudeau get approved to bring in over 1million immigrants per year in the past 3years? If he could get away with that, why can policies that can affect the nation not be effected by Pierre?
Politicians will say anything to get votes. You don't cater to X groups, they'll cause disturbance to get their voice heard. You want to build a pipeline to a certain location, well you may have to go through provinces which have autonomy. You do a policy which may not be popular, you still have the court system all the way to the Supreme Court to try to squash it. This is not black and white is my point. Only time will tell. The system is built to keep the PM power at bay. No dictatorship can strive in western political systems.
Thanks for taking out time to respond. I have major differences again with certain things you mentioned.
It seems you target low hanging fruits while ignoring the bigger picture which completely skews the rightful use of data.
1. Again I am going to emphasize the role of immigration in the housing crisis which you keep downplaying. Saying that it is not a major factor doesn't change the reality. I do absolutely agree that increased demand is generally a good thing, but to what extent? Not only did porous immigration policies increase demand of housing exponentially, but equally increased over speculation on real estate from immigrants, some of whom do not even reside in Canada, leading to Canada being top 3 in expensive income to housing costs in the world. How is Toronto and Vancouver having more costly homes with half the average salary of New York for ex? How good is that?
Some people will benefit from the bubble but alot of people will end up being bag holders, selling at huge losses because they can't pay mortgage any more upon renewal of contracts. Have you been following? Alot of people who bought last few years are already selling at 30% losses, and more tears will fill the streets.
2. There is an absolute need of distinction between growth through natural birth and through immigration. You see it only through the lens of immediate productivity which is skewed as it fails to for many factors that contributes for a better society. Population growth through natural birth allows for better integration to values that made the nation desirable for them to come to. As you can see, with the influx of immigrants, comes the desire not to integrate, and this leads to social tensions. You can see this with the different factions (Hindus and Sikhs) in Brampton. Or how about Pro-Palestinian protesters burning the Canadian flag and singing "death to Canada"? You are missing the bigger picture.
It's even worse in Europe where they abandoned Christian values, imported muslims in sheer numbers and now the muslims dominate and can wield the society the way they wish. How is that biggest child rape scandal of over 1400 victims going for the weak , woke and spineless UK?
Should I go on? Growth by natural birth leads to better distribution of the population. The government should rather incentivize child birth than relying too much on immigration. The working age immigrants will grow old and who are those to take care of them?
If you follow Musk, you will read alot as he keeps raising the alarm bells on declining birth rates.
3. Yes I'm following the H1B visa issue closely and it's good they're restructuring it to be a merit based process and not a scheme for selling positions from people of one country. If you work in tech, and frequent alot of talks about tech, you must have heard about the superior quality of software services offered by South Americans(especially Brazilians) which has been ignored because it isn't as cheap a market as in South East Asia. We need better diversity.
1. I'm not ignoring migration growth as a potential factor in the housing market. I'm saying it's not the only or major cause. Also, that the rise in house prices (though now too fast) is a planned and wanted outcome of many policies and lastly, the increased demand brought by migration can manytimes be a good thing.
2. I wonder why you are keen to differentiate population growth through migration and that occurring via birth. Yes, they may be subtle differences but ultimately it results in increased numbers. On economic , that through migration is much cheaper than and can be better tailored. The average 25yo in the Brit has already cost the government £500k from birth. Not an insignificant number would go on never be net contributors and would go on to live off the government for life. So an average 25 yo needed migrant in the UK is like handing the government a £500 cheque. This is before even considering other things.
3. 'DEI' is seen in multiple facets of the everyday life. Its how balance is maintained. Its a control mechanism that tends to address the positive loop that exists in life i.e the rule that he who has is by virtue if having likely to have even more. Call it compound interest e..t.c. When done with taxation, its called 'progressive' taxation. (I.e someone earning more would pay higher percentage of their pay as tax than a lower earner). Higher earners contribute more to lift all boats. When done with healthcare, its called universal healthcare and equity. I can go on. It may surprise you to know the greatest determinant of wealth is not hardwork or intelligence.
4. I take objection to use the word 'importing' when referring to human migration moreso that of a legal kind. These are people which the government made a pathway for them to arrive her. They are not goods in a container.
5. On H1B, I dont know if you've been following the news but it'd interest you to know that Elon and Vivek are already vocally pushing for its restructuring which to them means increase in numbers and more emphasis on merit. So far, Trump does not seem opposed.
To summarise, whether DEI or migration, there are pros and cons to most things and finding the right balance is important. It's done me well in life not to stress over things I can't change. Like them or hate them, those Indians and their kids especially would form the pillar of the Canadian society tomorrow. I'd always take exception to is hiding behing migration to spread hate
The goodnews is he doesn't have to cater for every interest group and he has intimated just that. He doesn't have to cater for climate change and environmentalist fanatics in order to develop the gas pipelines or to axe the carbon tax. He doesn't have to cater to woke and far left extremists inorder to laws against degenerate sexual tendencies. He doesn't have to cater to those who scream racism just because more cautious measures will have to be introduced to handle immigration. There's no saviour in this world who will bring an end to all suffering, Jesus ultimately is, and only to Him should we cast our hope for life without sorrow. However, there's hope for a betterment in some areas.
The liberal government is like the black sheep of the family. Everyone is taking out their frustration on them. A lot of things regarding the oil industry are being blamed on the Liberals, unjustly so. I worked in northern Alberta for 6 years. Conservative voters shouldn't get their hopes up as absolutely nothing will change. Watch.
You can make a bunch of promises and talk tough throughout the campaign. But once you get into government and realize you have to cater to every interest groups as much as possible, then you have provincial autonomy which can delay or destroy a PM objective; you'll then understand how hard it is to please everyone. Personally, I know not much will change. Don't get your hopes up my people.
You mean let's ignore the fact that an unprecedented population growth, which did not occur naturally but through migration, ing for over 95% of that growth in three years, has little to do with real estate pricing, overload of public services and the job market? I'm sorry, if you don't think it's major then you need to take some economic lessons.
Again, I maintain that diversity is important, which interestingly is what a lot of blacks acclaim for in the work place via DEI. I'm no fan of DEI but there are a few positives to it. Importing 50k refugees from Ukraine or Afghanistan and millions of others from India ing for 1/4 of total migration numbers isn't going to be positive for Canada. How good is it going on in Canada so far? Do you like what you are seeing? Instead we are seeing growing ethnic hatred, crimes and nepotism. The US model of limit per country is a much better implementation, including their lottery system, and the dream of most of those Indians here are to cross to the US either way. The US has a similar issue with H1B visas, but thankfully is going to be addressed with the new istration. I don't think high score EE is necessarily the best way to bring in skilled workers. There are skilled enough people worldwide who may have lower tally than one group alone, but due to certain barriers like language and funds may not be able to compete with their Indian counterpart.
Again you make a false comparison when relating to the situation of the British. The British conquered Canada and built it. They did not migrate mostly through express entry. Eye browses would be raised if they flooded modern day Canada in numbers through the various immigration pathways.
I agree issues are multifactorial but migration is not the major driver. Taking away the recent 22/23 spike (which by historical standards is not unheard off), the population growth rate of Canada has been on a downward trend. The country grew at a much faster pace in the past and continued to thrive. Some of that spurt gave rise to some Canadian cities we know today.
Without migration, the population of most western nations would be in decline which is something they are keen to avoid especially seeing how Japan has handled it.
The way the world works, on a level playing field, one/few countries would always dominate migration numbers be it Brits, Chinese e.t.c. First, Canada is not getting 300k Brits to apply for its EE in 2024. Same also, you wouldn't get tens of thousands of Brits applying to Canadian universities. The numbers willing to apply and with the right qualification would not come from the anglosphere - same is the story elsewhere and it's fairly new. Is Canada going to take someone from country X with an EE score of 250 over an Indian with an EE score of 500? Yes, things could be spread out a bit more but not at the expense of a fair system. Also worth nothing that over 1 in 7 humans is an Indian. Add that to their decent command of English and you'd see their numbers are not surprising.
On diversity, almost 50% of Canadians are of British heritage. No one is complaining about that lack of diversity. Also looking at numbers, any country cap is going to disproportionately affect Nigerians
Such issues are rarely unilateral but eventually peak because of a culmination of reasons, amongst which are; record population growth owing to immigration, restrictive planning policies which you cited(like refusal to construct high rises within certain locations), rising construction costs, interest rates, etc.
In 2023 alone, Canada had a population growth of 3.2%, 97.6% of that was due to immigration only. In that same year, Australia had a population growth of 2%(84% on of immigration alone) and in the US it was only 0.5%(70% due to immigration).
You can clearly see that Canada and Australia are taking in disproportionately too high a population, leading to high demand for real estate and rentals, and eventually the high prices. These unprecedented numbers cannot be ignored and no country can thrive in the long run bringing in such influx. I would also like to see Poillievre introduce per country cap. One country alone shouldn't be ing for more than 25% of a country's immigrant flow. We need more diversity, less numbers.
jedisco:
A common narrative is how migration is the reason for the housing crises.
Nobody choruses that U.S is overpopulated yet they have about 330 million people. Australia with a landmass just slightly to the U.S only has 26 million inhabitants. Yet, it's immigrants that are to blame for house prices
Over 60% of Australians own their home. How many of them would not vote out a government that causes house prices to crash. Locals would block every house building initiative and turn around to blame migrants. Estate developers buy up and hoard land around cities and refuse to build. They'd call in land banking. They only build at the rate at which they can sell at their set prices. Same story in Canada and the UK.
The mortgage industry forms a bedrock of the economy of these nations. Imagine the economic output if quality houses could be built at scale. Jobs would be created, house prices and rents would become more affordable, gdp would rise and people would invest in other parts of the economy rather than buying up land. But no, everybody wants to secure their retirement and inheritance on the value of their home
Use Udemy for courses. Eg I used Stephane Mareek's courses for my SysOps Associate cert. Then use Tutorial Dojo for practice tests(https://tutorialsdojo.com/)
Well I mentioned by AWS certs on my resume. I think you should write either CompTIA A+ or CCNA, it'll help you get interviews for IT roles. I applied to roles mostly on Indeed. Skills necessary for it are Ticketing systems(eg ServiceNow), Active Directory, Windows, T/IP, DNS, Microsoft 365, SQL, etc. Just check IT role skills(Sevice desk analyst/IT technician/Technical specialist/Technical representative/etc) on Indeed and see the most common skills.
You do not necessarily need to know all these, but have a high level overview, and be able to create good experience stories out of these technologies for your interviews. But be reminded that the interview for such roles are generally more behavioral focused than skill focused. So spend more time on the latter than the former.
Did the IT analyst position require certifications or certain years of experience? Did you get it through linkedin or indeed or an agency?
I'm a student who just graduated 2 weeks ago and I have like 2 years of experience in software dev but I've applied to several jobs and tailored resumes since January last year with only "unfortunately emails" as replies. I don't mind applying for IT roles.
I was stuck in the loop looking for cloud/devops jobs directly as someone who was transitioning to IT though I had 3 AWS certs, projects and made some connections. It may be because I am in Alberta and tech is slower, and you would possibly have better chances by networking to get a job a bit faster in Ontario. However, once I decided to go even lower, by applying for any IT role(IT roles), I started getting interviews. I ended up with a well paid IT Analyst position, fully remote. So I would say you can start with entry level IT roles, and work your way up. The most difficult thing is getting your foot in the door. Once you are in, up skill yourself, and look to move higher. It will take time but it will be easier.
I believe that this depends on the industry as well as running a business. I'll name a few;
-Oil and gas industry
-Senior tech roles
-Doctors
-Successful business owners
-Very experienced blue collar jobs/gigs
JIREN01:
Hi everyone, I have a question; I guess our bosses @salford, @megastu, @ednut, among others will be able to draw from their experiences and share helpful insights.
So I was on a call with a friend who works as a Senior Business Analyst for a Big Pharma, and we were discussing about how attainable a salary threshold of 200kcad per annum is. I even whimsically chipped in the case of a family friend who works as a Director of Strategy for PWC and how I’m certain she earns way more than that. I was shocked when my statement was returned with a hysterical laughter and how that threshold is almost a pipe dream in Canada. Bottom line is he claimed people who earn that in Canada can be literally counted with your fingers and how he has never met anyone who earns that high in his 10-year career.
I’d like to ask if what he said is true; how attainable is the 200k salary threshold? All comments are welcome.
No, not international license. Just the regular driver's license from home. I'm in Edmonton, AB.
JIREN01:
You mean you got a quote of 300/month with your international license?
Do you mind sharing what part of Canada you live?
I reside in Hamilton and I want to use my international license for a while pending the completion of renewal for my Nigeria license (to skip G2).
Are you new driver becos arriving canada past 1year as a newcomer is not what makes you a new driver in canada and what the address on ur driving licence is it GTA ??
I own a 2009 Honda CRV, covered less than 5000km the past 1year as a newcomer. I paid $300/month. Upon renewal last month, my new monthly payment is $245/month
ednut1:
new drivers in GTA are getting quotes of 500- 700 cad a month. Its on reddit
Absolutely not enough! But it's down to how you spin it. The way to spin it is to say you are "very ionate about knowledge sharing", "immensely interested in disseminating useful information to help improve the company's work process", and/or "excited about advancing the collective knowledge of your team by staying abreast of technical developments in widely-used open-source tools like Python or cloud platforms like AWS", etc. However you want to form it to suit your field. The idea is to show that, besides your job, you also push technical content for educative purposes. While you would usually do this on the job, you've also shown it by creating technical content on LinkedIn or hosting videos on YouTube which have reached .... thousand number of people and have been viewed .... times. This way, you push a side of you that's a plus to your basic job knowledge.
If you are very bilingual, you have a lot more potential than you can imagine. Go to the government website and apply for roles, making sure to highlight your bilingual skills. Take this very seriously. It works. Also, customer care shouldn't take you significant time to get, if that's what you want.
These are my backup plans if it comes to the worst. Using savings to buy a car for Uber( I do not want this, and would consider if there were renting a car for uber options in Edmonton), going to the oil rigs for some months or getting a remote customer service role(I am very bilingual).
Good job!
Just like I said, the barrier to entry for jobs like skip and ubereats is just too low for anyone to complain. And if one manages to add Ubering and Lyfting, the sky could be the limit temporarily until that lucrative cushy job comes around. And it will as long as one doesn't stop looking.
I have too many examples of this exact same path to underestimate its efficacy. In fact, I know friends who have continued to do their Uber/Lyft activites after getting the cushy job, because that self-employment is just too lucrative and flexible to on.
Yes, it may not be that convenient to do Ubereats on a scooter in a city like Edmonton or Calgary in Alberta. But all it takes is some striving to get a class 5 with proper planning (FRSC letter, etc) to immediately get into doing food delivery in that city or at least Uber proper, as long as you did not game your POF and hope to wing it once you land. Don't even get me started on Toronto. You could even start ubereats there without a vehicle, merely by walking. Canada is hard is a mantra you hear only from those sitting on the couch shooting resumes into the wild.
I had no idea one could mention content creation as a plus on the resume. Isn't mentioning your linkedin handle at the header enough already? I do have like 5 youtube videos, but haven't really thought of permanently putting out content on it reguarly.
These are good ideas. If you have the nerve for it too, create content on YouTube as well, and let that channel form part of your resume as someone who is ionate about sharing technical ideas / content. If you aren't doing it already, also make sure to put it on your CV that you share technical content on LinkedIn, while linking to some of those contents on your resume.
I got great connections on LinkedIn, i spoke with about two people that are doing very well within 5yrs, i asked them what they did differently, its been helpful.
The last you wrote about your journey, you talked about Cloud Engineering, i hope you find that thing you are looking for soon, its out there.
I agree it's people expressing their realities. Before coming I listened to some of them to get a better perspective and I haven't been very surprised at anything I have faced. However, we know how they like exaggerating their claims alot. Plus people tend to get caught up in the negativities that they look for ways to justify their failures instead of putting efforts into succeeding.
Let's put sentiment aside and face reality. People sharing their life difficulties and challenges on social media are not expressing negative thoughts; they are reflecting the current situation in Canada. Ignoring warning signs and critical information can leave anybody, especially students, stranded. Canada of ten years ago is not the Canada of today. People stay in survival jobs for longer periods as alternatives become harder and more difficult to find. Most information shared here is reality, not just thoughts. Anyone coming to Canada now should be prepared physically, financially, and mentally
I'm a PR holder without a job after a year, but I am that way partly by my own design. I had enough POF, plus my wife worked for 4months when we got here before going on a year Maternity Live and we live comfortably. However, stakes may change in a few months time if I don't get one. I have really only applied for last 3months out of the 13 I have been here and still not very consistently, mainly because I decided I don't want survival jobs, but upskill really well to get the high end tech jobs( Cloud roles).I have used resume coaches and softwares and I'm getting really good skillwise that even if I lie on the resume, I could still do a very good defense at the interview.
My applications have changed from automatic rejections( likely not ing ATS) to well crafted rejection letters. I believe with grit and patience I will start receiving interviews not too long from now.I am networking and attending conferences, and creating some content on linkedin aswell.
If any of you have any more suggestions please let me know.
jasperonyx:
I really pity new PR person that will come here looking for encouragement.
He will meet the jobless one,who has become bitter and think his reality is same with others.
The one that doesn't even live in canada, but he is just here to talk down on canada, how so so and so is better, or even how is better to stay in Nigeria.
You don't live in Canada, why are you here?
Dont you have work?
Its not easy anywhere right now in the world, the economy is affected everywhere.
People in the US are talking about how biden messed their economy, It wont be hard for most nigerians living there because of their survival skilss.
People in Uk are talking about how its not easy.
also, at least from a personal experience.
If Canada government thinks that there is nothing for anyone anymore, the least they will do is to stop PR pathway.
If you dont have a job,ask yourself what you have been doing wrong.
There is something for everyone.
My friend coming into Ontario this month, already have two job offers from toronto, dont ask me the salary, what matters is that she did.
Ify got her job within 2 months of moving to Nova Scotia and thats because she needs something better, she would have taken anything.
I can understand students, but PR holders ranting here?
No way.
Like someone said, stop looking for a handout.
Oh, before you say that its my friend my friend, yes, i'm good with that, i have a lot of positive story than negative.
If people can come here and get so discouraged from comments here, people can also get encouraged by people ' stories too.
I called Sarah last night, i told her to avoid this group for now 🤣, as a new PR, here is the last place she should be.
I'm moving to ottawa with hope, my field is kind of different, but i already got recruiters reaching out.
And I also read American threads alot and Americans qualify their own country as third world country and wanting out. At the end of the day, we need to focus on our goals and not be overly concerned about the negative thoughts on social media. If we focus on them you would think North America is hell haha.
I have a friend here from Canada and she said she's moving to the US immediately she's done with what she's doing in Chile. She speaks about Canada like the way we Nigerians speak of Nigeria. If a white blonde girl with blue eyes is speaking this way hmmm
Come work as a mechanic for some time, understand the system then open your business.
larrixauto2017:
Actually I was aspiring to start doing a move a PR to Canada...
I am a skilled certified auto technician not road side mechanic oh..
I mean I fix only luxury cars.. like diagnosis, computerized scanning, Air conditions, wheel alignment and balancing, key and ecu programming, etc about cars except body work and upholstery...
I just want too ask any one here that have been there what are my chances of surviving there. And as times goes on would love too change career path too business and schooling over there..
The aim is to get your PR application approved, which starts with getting as high a CRS as possible, in order to get ITA.
Typically, one's CRS will likely be lower with spouse accompanying than spouse unaccompanying, in the same vein, the CRS will likely be lower when married than when single....it's just the maths behind the CRS calculator. There might be instances where this doesn't hold, I guess.
If married, one way to increase CRS in desperate times is to make spouse unaccompanying (people with struggling CRS scores do this routinely). If single, one way to increase CRS is to remain single
IRCC already told us that the only scenario in which your CRS will not be recalculated as a single applicant is when you marry and add spouse after you already submitted your app (no be say you don already marry before, com lie say na after AOR you marry o). So if you plan to get married, getting married post AOR and adding spouse post AOR is the optimal choice (Canada immigration wise). Pre and post ITA marriages are sub-optimal (CRS will be recalculated).....unless of course the person has a PNP nomination in which case CRS is through the roof and they can do anyhow.
If one is already married, then obviously you must always indicate that you are married (pre, post ITA etc) and you must add your spouse (either as accompanying (affects CRS) or not accompanying (does not affect CRS, CRS calculation is done as if you were single)) to your profile and application pre, post and in-between all stages.
We should take this to EE thread though and leave Living in Canada for mild winter convo meanwhile you no need this info again nau.....
njambert: 12:47am On Jan 13
