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RodgersAkpafu:


We like this one leg in the west one leg in Africa thing that does not work and doesn't make sense
We also like I better my neighbours mentality
That's why we are still struggling

as repugnant and terrible as Indians behave, and their yama yama cultural proclivities and lack of emotional intelligence in dealing with other groups, one thing I do give them credit for is their ability to pool resources together and practice delayed gratification

But that has come in part, at a cost of "slummifying" and "ghettorising" certain places

Brampton and Sheffield for reference in Canada and UK respectively

The kind of hate and words used towards Indians here is worrying. Indian migrants have been by far a significant net contributor to most western economies. In the UK, they're underrepresented in most crimes, overrepresented in educational attainment (asp in STEM), also in financial attainment e.t.c. loads of healthcare workers who have ed the NHS for decades are Indians. Infact, an Indian-owned company has come to the aid of the UK building a batttery plant after the likes of Musk overlooked UKs pleas to build a factory

As far as bulk modern migration goes, you'd struggle to get a much better group than them. Its a reason why despite all the shenanigans, many western nations still return to invite more

maternal:


The liberal government is like the black sheep of the family. Everyone is taking out their frustration on them. A lot of things regarding the oil industry are being blamed on the Liberals, unjustly so. I worked in northern Alberta for 6 years. Conservative voters shouldn't get their hopes up as absolutely nothing will change. Watch.

You can make a bunch of promises and talk tough throughout the campaign. But once you get into government and realize you have to cater to every interest groups as much as possible, then you have provincial autonomy which can delay or destroy a PM objective; you'll then understand how hard it is to please everyone. Personally, I know not much will change. Don't get your hopes up my people.

Interesting and not surprising insight for someone in the know.
Many complex issues have more nuanced facets but of course telling voters 'we'd just do x' is easy to understand and help get votes. Too much traffic? We'd just end migration. In Nigeria, the populace were told, theres no subsidy etc.
Life has taught me when all the populace think the solution to something is so easy, they're manytimes on the wrong path or not considered all the repercussions. It's usually very easy to find a low hanging fruit to blame. For example, migration has been one that worked for centuries. Even Nigeria tried it with Ghana must go. We all know how we fared afterwards. Recently, the UK tried it with Brexit and lesssons are still being delivered. Let's see how Trump and the incoming Canadian government fare.
All reminds me of a discussion I stumbled upon recently regarding how UK migrants were making the NHS struggle

Thanks for taking out time to respond. I have major differences again with certain things you mentioned.
It seems you target low hanging fruits while ignoring the bigger picture which completely skews the rightful use of data.

1. Again I am going to emphasize the role of immigration in the housing crisis which you keep downplaying. Saying that it is not a major factor doesn't change the reality. I do absolutely agree that increased demand is generally a good thing, but to what extent? Not only did porous immigration policies increase demand of housing exponentially, but equally increased over speculation on real estate from immigrants, some of whom do not even reside in Canada, leading to Canada being top 3 in expensive income to housing costs in the world. How is Toronto and Vancouver having more costly homes with half the average salary of New York for ex? How good is that?
Some people will benefit from the bubble but alot of people will end up being bag holders, selling at huge losses because they can't pay mortgage any more upon renewal of contracts. Have you been following? Alot of people who bought last few years are already selling at 30% losses, and more tears will fill the streets.

2. There is an absolute need of distinction between growth through natural birth and through immigration. You see it only through the lens of immediate productivity which is skewed as it fails to for many factors that contributes for a better society. Population growth through natural birth allows for better integration to values that made the nation desirable for them to come to. As you can see, with the influx of immigrants, comes the desire not to integrate, and this leads to social tensions. You can see this with the different factions (Hindus and Sikhs) in Brampton. Or how about Pro-Palestinian protesters burning the Canadian flag and singing "death to Canada"? You are missing the bigger picture.
It's even worse in Europe where they abandoned Christian values, imported muslims in sheer numbers and now the muslims dominate and can wield the society the way they wish. How is that biggest child rape scandal of over 1400 victims going for the weak , woke and spineless UK?
Should I go on? Growth by natural birth leads to better distribution of the population. The government should rather incentivize child birth than relying too much on immigration. The working age immigrants will grow old and who are those to take care of them?
If you follow Musk, you will read alot as he keeps raising the alarm bells on declining birth rates.

3. Yes I'm following the H1B visa issue closely and it's good they're restructuring it to be a merit based process and not a scheme for selling positions from people of one country. If you work in tech, and frequent alot of talks about tech, you must have heard about the superior quality of software services offered by South Americans(especially Brazilians) which has been ignored because it isn't as cheap a market as in South East Asia. We need better diversity.

jedisco:


1. I'm not ignoring migration growth as a potential factor in the housing market. I'm saying it's not the only or major cause. Also, that the rise in house prices (though now too fast) is a planned and wanted outcome of many policies and lastly, the increased demand brought by migration can manytimes be a good thing.

2. I wonder why you are keen to differentiate population growth through migration and that occurring via birth. Yes, they may be subtle differences but ultimately it results in increased numbers. On economic , that through migration is much cheaper than and can be better tailored. The average 25yo in the Brit has already cost the government £500k from birth. Not an insignificant number would go on never be net contributors and would go on to live off the government for life. So an average 25 yo needed migrant in the UK is like handing the government a £500 cheque. This is before even considering other things.

3. 'DEI' is seen in multiple facets of the everyday life. Its how balance is maintained. Its a control mechanism that tends to address the positive loop that exists in life i.e the rule that he who has is by virtue if having likely to have even more. Call it compound interest e..t.c. When done with taxation, its called 'progressive' taxation. (I.e someone earning more would pay higher percentage of their pay as tax than a lower earner). Higher earners contribute more to lift all boats. When done with healthcare, its called universal healthcare and equity. I can go on. It may surprise you to know the greatest determinant of wealth is not hardwork or intelligence.

4. I take objection to use the word 'importing' when referring to human migration moreso that of a legal kind. These are people which the government made a pathway for them to arrive her. They are not goods in a container.

5. On H1B, I dont know if you've been following the news but it'd interest you to know that Elon and Vivek are already vocally pushing for its restructuring which to them means increase in numbers and more emphasis on merit. So far, Trump does not seem opposed.

To summarise, whether DEI or migration, there are pros and cons to most things and finding the right balance is important. It's done me well in life not to stress over things I can't change. Like them or hate them, those Indians and their kids especially would form the pillar of the Canadian society tomorrow. I'd always take exception to is hiding behing migration to spread hate

njambert:
The goodnews is he doesn't have to cater for every interest group and he has intimated just that. He doesn't have to cater for climate change and environmentalist fanatics in order to develop the gas pipelines or to axe the carbon tax. He doesn't have to cater to woke and far left extremists inorder to laws against degenerate sexual tendencies. He doesn't have to cater to those who scream racism just because more cautious measures will have to be introduced to handle immigration. There's no saviour in this world who will bring an end to all suffering, Jesus ultimately is, and only to Him should we cast our hope for life without sorrow. However, there's hope for a betterment in some areas.

Politicians will say anything to get votes. You don't cater to X groups, they'll cause disturbance to get their voice heard. You want to build a pipeline to a certain location, well you may have to go through provinces which have autonomy. You do a policy which may not be popular, you still have the court system all the way to the Supreme Court to try to squash it. This is not black and white is my point. Only time will tell. The system is built to keep the PM power at bay. No dictatorship can strive in western political systems.

njambert:
Thanks for taking out time to respond. I have major differences again with certain things you mentioned.
It seems you target low hanging fruits while ignoring the bigger picture which completely skews the rightful use of data.

I absolutely agree migration plays a role in housing, but where we differ is the comparative significance of this role. Migration helps to maintain the vibrancy of a market that contributes upto 40% of national GDP. Even if you feel that number is too high, you don't want a rapid decline and with any vibrant market, you'd have periods of boom and bust. Those living in canada and already paying rents should be encouraged to get on the ladder. It's how they'd build wealth.
There are several ways the government can tame the market which they could use when it gets overheated - yearly ground rent, much higher tax for foreign buyers e.t.c. But again, you don't want excessive government interference in a free market.
Anything done has to be without an emotional mindset as many provinces rely on capital gains tax they get on sales e.t.c This is not considering the significant rise in GDP constructing 1 million homes would bring. Also, foreigners bringing in capital from their country is a good thing - reason why many countries have been very careful in placing a ban on foreign ownership.

I still take exception to using the word importing when describing people who followed a perfectly legitimate means offered by the Canadian government to migrate.
There would always be bag eggs. That does not mean you throw the baby away with the bath water. Those folks will still integrate or their kids would and bring a good cultural mix.
Careful when referencing the UK (or EU) based on media narratives- there is a reason why all of a sudden there's an uproar for an event that happened over a decade ago. The Conservative party who are asking for a new enquiry didn't do anything about the last enquiry on same issue that lasted 7 years and was concluded while they were in power. I have seen this before - its what led to Brexit. Even the extra health levy (in addition to the regular income tax) all working non-settled migrants pay came about when there was an overblown narrative of a few visitors using the NHS. The government fed on this to introduce a surcharge on immigrating workers (not those visiting). On the rape issue, it'd interest you to know that there were similar horrific incidents on same scale perpetrated by mainly white men which hardly saw any significant media attention. The scapegoating of migrants is not a new thing - before BAMEs and Europeans, it was the Irish being blamed - see attached. Before the Irish, it was the Jews.

Birth rates are unlikely to rise anytime soon. Its a fact of modern soceital development. The richer and more educated, the less kids are born- even in Africa, same trend is taking shape. Virtually no developed country has been able to reverse this despite huge initiatives some have taken. As birthrates are dropping across the developed world, the circa 400k folks Canada aims to invite this year via the EE pathway would not be filled from the anglosphere.
Same also with the H1B. All the talk of merit = more Indians. Simply because they have the numbers and network effect.

Thanks for remaining civil

With a majority government, a lot gets done. Unless you want to tell us that Trudeau had no powers and that no prime minister has the power or rights to do anything, then things can eventually get done. How did Trudeau get approved to bring in over 1million immigrants per year in the past 3years? If he could get away with that, why can policies that can affect the nation not be effected by Pierre?

maternal:


Politicians will say anything to get votes. You don't cater to X groups, they'll cause disturbance to get their voice heard. You want to build a pipeline to a certain location, well you may have to go through provinces which have autonomy. You do a policy which may not be popular, you still have the court system all the way to the Supreme Court to try to squash it. This is not black and white is my point. Only time will tell. The system is built to keep the PM power at bay. No dictatorship can strive in western political systems.

On the surface you seem to make some decent points, but you are only scratching the surface which doesn't for the disastrous implications thereof. You just can't dismiss the growing racial tensions, hatred, nepotism and anti-Canadian sentiments as just "bad eggs". This same ivity is the reason why liberals can't figure out destruction they bring upon themselves and their respective nations.
What caused it? What is being done to address it? Increasing immigration numbers in the guise of labour shortage and bringing capital? How's that working out for the overall quality of life of the regular Canadian, immigrant , temporal foreign worker, or student? The consequences have been nothing but disastrous and most people will tell you their quality of living was much better 10years ago than it is today. Public services are jammed. PRs take 6-12months to find work. Students abandon courses after spending much because they do not find work to complement their needs. Wage growth is being suppressed, some groups only hire their own once they get to leadership. Immigrants are quitting in record numbers. Food banks are flooded in record numbers and crime has experienced 100% growth in the last few years. Moving to the USA even illegally is a dream for most who are in Canada. Again the bigger picture!!!

The situation of the UK is not a right wing media narrative, it is a much more sinister than you are making it out to be. It is a spineless undemocratic hellhole gradually crumbling unto perdition. And Canada is following the same footsteps.
Why has Tommy Robinson been detained, threatened and banned for making a documentary about these crimes since January 2022?
He's currently serving an 18-month prison term and Elon Musk has called for his release;

https://x.com/TRobinsonNewEra/status/1817184820151070917?t=n7Bvsv0Sp0g-9uLN7sX7iA&s=19

Why did the current left wing PM of the UK Keir Starmer actively silence these cases back in 2008-2013 when he served as the Director of Public Prosecutions and head of the Crown Prosecution services?

Protect the border? No they can't. Border agents and courts don't even have the powers to deport someone who entered illegally under liberal rule. Your car is stolen? Liberal police can't help you. Infact if they catch the thief, he will be out within 24hours. Porous borders where illicit substances and even your cars are shipped overseas easily? Yep that's the fruit of liberalism.

Immigrants just do not "integrate". You know the reason why when nations grow more prosperous they tend to make less children? They feel self sufficient, gloating in freedom and possibilities money brings, and abandon God. It's compounded further by degenerate ideologies about freedom, sex and family, and the fundamental unit of the society is threatened. Instead of promoting traditional family values, and incentivizing births, they think mass immigration can solve the issue. Bad idea.

jedisco:



I absolutely agree migration plays a role in housing, but where we differ is the comparative significance of this role. Migration helps to maintain the vibrancy of a market that contributes upto 40% of national GDP. Even if you feel that number is too high, you don't want a rapid decline and with any vibrant market, you'd have periods of boom and bust. Those living in canada and already paying rents should be encouraged to get on the ladder. It's how they'd build wealth.
There are several ways the government can tame the market which they could use when it gets overheated - yearly ground rent, much higher tax for foreign buyers e.t.c. But again, you don't want excessive government interference in a free market.
Anything done has to be without an emotional mindset as many provinces rely on capital gains tax they get on sales e.t.c This is not considering the significant rise in GDP constructing 1 million homes would bring. Also, foreigners bringing in capital from their country is a good thing - reason why many countries have been very careful in placing a ban on foreign ownership.

I still take exception to using the word importing when describing people who followed a perfectly legitimate means offered by the Canadian government to migrate.
There would always be bag eggs. That does not mean you throw the baby away with the bath water. Those folks will still integrate or their kids would and bring a good cultural mix.
Careful when referencing the UK (or EU) based on media narratives- there is a reason why all of a sudden there's an uproar for an event that happened over a decade ago. The Conservative party who are asking for a new enquiry didn't do anything about the last enquiry on same issue that lasted 7 years and was concluded while they were in power. I have seen this before - its what led to Brexit. Even the extra health levy (in addition to the regular income tax) all working non-settled migrants pay came about when there was an overblown narrative of a few visitors using the NHS. The government fed on this to introduce a surcharge on immigrating workers (not those visiting). On the rape issue, it'd interest you to know that there were similar horrific incidents on same scale perpetrated by mainly white men which hardly saw any significant media attention. The scapegoating of migrants is not a new thing - before BAMEs and Europeans, it was the Irish being blamed - see attached. Before the Irish, it was the Jews.

Birth rates are unlikely to rise anytime soon. Its a fact of modern soceital development. The richer and more educated, the less kids are born- even in Africa, same trend is taking shape. Virtually no developed country has been able to reverse this despite huge initiatives some have taken. As birthrates are dropping across the developed world, the circa 400k folks Canada aims to invite this year via the EE pathway would not be filled from the anglosphere.
Same also with the H1B. All the talk of merit = more Indians. Simply because they have the numbers and network effect.

Thanks for remaining civil

Chanting death to Canada doesn't make sense to me though even if you are born here no matter the reason

Which Christian values did they abandoned ? The one that made Leopold of Belgium to brutally maim and murder millions of indigenous people?

The one that made killed thousands of people in Namibia and millions of Jews ?

The one that made French army to torture, and commit all form of attrocities in Algeria?

Or the one that made the head of a catholic diocese resign due to sexual abuse of boys ?



What's liberal police ? Police is Police, even when Conservatives are in power, the police move like that, something needs to be done about it truly though

"Moving to the USA even illegally is a dream for most who are in Canada. Again the bigger picture" For most ? Only few people who were denied US visa and managed to move here and they're also the ones clamoring for 51st state so bad, let's them leave and move south after all your loyalty lies in there.

Immigration, giving birth talk, do you think if Canada has enough people they'll be interested in bringing new immigrants especially person of color like you ? I'm sure you prayed and fasted before you get it. P and P2 is increasing this 2025

Such anti-Canadian rhetoric like singing death to Canada is the fruit of liberal policies. You see war anywhere? Let's import 50000 people from there, meanwhile their immediate neighbours won't accept taking them.

The Christian values I am referring to are the values which built the Western nations to the way they are. The actions of some political heads who weaponized their power to enslave and abuse others doesn't erode these. Why did you leave Nigeria? It is often said that let whites(Americans, Canadians, etc, you name it) come to Nigeria and Nigerians come to America, Canada, etc, and few decades later, Nigerians will be flying to come back to Nigeria. It's a fact that Western countries are better builders of institutions, of innovations, of development, etc.

"What's liberal police ? Police is Police, even when Conservatives are in power, the police move like that"

The Canadian police/army has never been this weak and helpless as it is currently. That's why Donald Trump has threatened Canada to adjust and the whole country is shaking. Please check this YouTube video fact checking Donald Trump's case about the Canadian border:


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G1T851sg9zI?si=mOzmhIayf4z16oZI

For every one American that comes to Canada, we have like 5 Canadians moving to the USA. Make it easy for Canadians to move to the US and alot of people will move down south. Where are all the health workers going to? Where are Canadian tech workers and engineering graduates going to? They're all moving down south for better pay cheques, cheaper real estate, better weather, etc.Alot of people are just using Canada as a stepping stone to move south. These are facts not sentiments.

Journe:
Chanting death to Canada doesn't make sense to me though even if you are born here no matter the reason

Which Christian values did they abandoned ? The one that made Leopold of Belgium to brutally maim and murder millions of indigenous people?

The one that made killed thousands of people in Namibia and millions of Jews ?

The one that made French army to torture, and commit all form of attrocities in Algeria?

Or the one that made the head of a catholic diocese resign due to sexual abuse of boys ?



What's liberal police ? Police is Police, even when Conservatives are in power, the police move like that, something needs to be done about it truly though

"Moving to the USA even illegally is a dream for most who are in Canada. Again the bigger picture" For most ? Only few people who were denied US visa and managed to move here and they're also the ones clamoring for 51st state so bad, let's them leave and move south after all your loyalty lies in there.

Immigration, giving birth talk, do you think if Canada has enough people they'll be interested in bringing new immigrants especially person of color like you ? I'm sure you prayed and fasted before you get it. P and P2 is increasing this 2025

jedisco:


The kind of hate and words used towards Indians here is worrying. Indian migrants have been by far a significant net contributor to most western economies. In the UK, they're underrepresented in most crimes, overrepresented in educational attainment (asp in STEM), also in financial attainment e.t.c. loads of healthcare workers who have ed the NHS for decades are Indians. Infact, an Indian-owned company has come to the aid of the UK building a batttery plant after the likes of Musk overlooked UKs pleas to build a factory

As far as bulk modern migration goes, you'd struggle to get a much better group than them. Its a reason why despite all the shenanigans, many western nations still return to invite more

you have [probably] not lived with them

You have not been in their enclaves
You have not been a victim of their mercenary practices at the workplace

Or seen upclpse and personal, how they are thevembodiment of lo trust society with their lying, cheating and high scale forgery


Indians are the only group of ppl I know that will forge Bachelors, forge the transcripts and then use it to enter uni in the west and then be falling like mumu
I schooled with them, I know
Go and read reports in Canada about their "scores"
One was even arrested recently because the fool bragged that he forged docs and lied about his personal circumstances to get the scholarship that brought him to Canada

Mr Jedisco, forget all that shalaye you are doing
The culmination of all the rubbish their ppl have been doing is what has made rhe collective west fed up of them

All that "net contributor" talk na just on the side
Your last paragraph is even more laughable
Do you even know that it is rhe fallout of Indian migration that even made the UK tighten their immigration policies?
Do u know how many unis are complaining about the evils these guys have done?
Or how the Indian tenant is now being stereotyped?

Indians are now the face of what is wrong with migration today in the west
"Under reported in crimes " (not when it comes to lying, cheating and forgery)

@njambert
Tommy Robinson is a convicted felon with multiple felonies, as well as a grifter
We know his antecedents and he should be locked in jail for stoking tensions and contempt of court.
That crook is not coming out

That said, the level of misinformation and disinformation coming out of the (far) right media ecosystem is worrying, and is radicalising a lot of people out there
Look at the shameful UK riots of last year, and judging by the atmosphere, we are damn sure to have another one this year in this country. I shudder at that thought because my city is one of the epicentres and I saw with my two eyes how messy the last one was

The undercurrent to all these is that the economy has stagnated, and people are struggling. In times like these, they always look for people to blame, and demagogues always point out a "scapegoat" to be lynched, in this case playing on racism and blaming the migrants

njambert:
With a majority government, a lot gets done. Unless you want to tell us that Trudeau had no powers and that no prime minister has the power or rights to do anything, then things can eventually get done. How did Trudeau get approved to bring in over 1million immigrants per year in the past 3years? If he could get away with that, why can policies that can affect the nation not be effected by Pierre?

You seem to forget that Trudeau govt is a coalition govt with the NDP (or so)
Without playing ball, Trudeau will get the Houmza Yousef treatment in Scotland. From your use of words, I can really see that you are neck deep in the right wing media Web
"import immigrants"
"Christian values lol "
and those other buzzwords
"traditional family values" lol

What about the fact that once there's war, Canada brings in refugees that neighbouring countries could not take; from Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine. That's importing. These have proven to be counter productive, time and time again.
Or what about promoting degenerate sexual tendencies; including homosexuality, sexual reassignment surgeries, transgenderism, adoption by same sex couples, etc has got to do with right wing media?
Why did you leave Nigeria for western countries if there aren't any desirable values that brought you here?

"You seem to forget that Trudeau govt is a coalition govt with the NDP (or so)"

Which explains my point. Trudeau has been under minority government and needed the NDP to get things done. If PP wins as the polls are showing, he will have the overwhelming majority and can more easily implement his policies.

RodgersAkpafu:


You seem to forget that Trudeau govt is a coalition govt with the NDP (or so)
Without playing ball, Trudeau will get the Houmza Yousef treatment in Scotland. From your use of words, I can really see that you are neck deep in the right wing media Web
"import immigrants"
"Christian values lol "
and those other buzzwords
"traditional family values" lol

Atleast we agree on somethings

RodgersAkpafu:


you have [probably] not lived with them

You have not been in their enclaves
You have not been a victim of their mercenary practices at the workplace

Or seen upclpse and personal, how they are thevembodiment of lo trust society with their lying, cheating and high scale forgery


Indians are the only group of ppl I know that will forge Bachelors, forge the transcripts and then use it to enter uni in the west and then be falling like mumu
I schooled with them, I know
Go and read reports in Canada about their "scores"
One was even arrested recently because the fool bragged that he forged docs and lied about his personal circumstances to get the scholarship that brought him to Canada

Mr Jedisco, forget all that shalaye you are doing
The culmination of all the rubbish their ppl have been doing is what has made rhe collective west fed up of them

All that "net contributor" talk na just on the side
Your last paragraph is even more laughable
Do you even know that it is rhe fallout of Indian migration that even made the UK tighten their immigration policies?
Do u know how many unis are complaining about the evils these guys have done?
Or how the Indian tenant is now being stereotyped?

Indians are now the face of what is wrong with migration today in the west
"Under reported in crimes " (not when it comes to lying, cheating and forgery)

njambert:
What about the fact that once there's war, Canada brings in refugees that neighbouring countries could not take; from Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine. That's importing. These have proven to be counter productive, time and time again.
Or what about promoting degenerate sexual tendencies; including homosexuality, sexual reassignment surgeries, transgenderism, adoption by same sex couples, etc has got to do with right wing media?
Why did you leave Nigeria for western countries if there aren't any desirable values that brought you here?

"You seem to forget that Trudeau govt is a coalition govt with the NDP (or so)"

Which explains my point. Trudeau has been under minority government and needed the NDP to get things done. If PP wins as the polls are showing, he will have the overwhelming majority and can more easily implement his policies.

There is nothing wrong in bringing in refugees.
I mean I have met wonderful ppl who were kids of or refugees themselves from Afghanistan here in the UK.
They run their business, pay their taxes. and cause no trouble
It's a case of law enforcement and letting people know that if you mess up here, you will be dealt with squarely.
Stereotyping ethnic groups as all bad doesn't help (I know what I said about Indians, however it is not all Indians that do it, it just happens that majority of the ppl caught up in it happen to be from india)

Law enforcement makes a whole lot of difference
UAE as draconian as they can be are that way to prevent bad behaviour
About your talk on "sexual degeneracy "
Well I am all for same sex relationships, and two adults doing what they want as long as it bothers no one. That's the good fruit of a Liberal society

however, the gender reassignment for kids is what I am not sure I can agree with. and of course there has to be a bound on how far these things go.
But gays and lesbians are fine by me
Worked with them, lived with them, no issues at all

There's no stereotypes in my writeup unless you misunderstood.
What I am against is mass immigration.
I'm all for cautious, calculated and diverse immigration. One that meets true needs, one that unites families, one that encourages innovation.
Not immigration built on lies about fake labour shortages or pathways to permanent residence and fake diploma mills. Such serves no one but a lose lose situation for all.
And yes, I am not for bringing in 50k refugees at random from war torn countries. Why stop at 50k? Why not bring in 500k? What happens to the millions who are still in the war setting?
We have seen the ravaging fruits across Europe.
Even Arab themselves have advised against it, but Canada and Europe are world benevolent lords. Let them enjoy the fruits.

Which reinforcement are you talking about? Canadian police that can't track and retrieve a stolen vehicle will be able to reinforce law against Palestinian refugees who have ideological ideas as they do? Nice joke.

RodgersAkpafu:


There is nothing wrong in bringing in refugees.
I mean I have met wonderful ppl who were kids of or refugees themselves from Afghanistan here in the UK.
They run their business, pay their taxes. and cause no trouble
It's a case of law enforcement and letting people know that if you mess up here, you will be dealt with squarely.
Stereotyping ethnic groups as all bad doesn't help (I know what I said about Indians, however it is not all Indians that do it, it just happens that majority of the ppl caught up in it happen to be from india)

Law enforcement makes a whole lot of difference
UAE as draconian as they can be are that way to prevent bad behaviour
About your talk on "sexual degeneracy "
Well I am all for same sex relationships, and two adults doing what they want as long as it bothers no one. That's the good fruit of a Liberal society

however, the gender reassignment for kids is what I am not sure I can agree with. and of course there has to be a bound on how far these things go.
But gays and lesbians are fine by me
Worked with them, lived with them, no issues at all

You raised valid points. Trudeau's trouble started when he started leaning far left. Same with Harper, his trouble started when he started leaning far right. There is a reason why the NDP always find it challenging to win Federal elections. This is because Canadians do not want a government on the far left. The current liberals are even more far-lefty than the NDP. If the Conservatives win the next election, they do not need to cater to the far-left group. Someone who campaigns to axe the tax will pay for it if the tax is not axed. Are things going to get better? Hopefully, they may. At least let us try someone else. After 9 years of the Liberals, Canada needs a change.

njambert:
The goodnews is he doesn't have to cater for every interest group and he has intimated just that. He doesn't have to cater for climate change and environmentalist fanatics in order to develop the gas pipelines or to axe the carbon tax. He doesn't have to cater to woke and far left extremists inorder to laws against degenerate sexual tendencies. He doesn't have to cater to those who scream racism just because more cautious measures will have to be introduced to handle immigration. There's no saviour in this world who will bring an end to all suffering, Jesus ultimately is, and only to Him should we cast our hope for life without sorrow. However, there's hope for a betterment in some areas.

A lot of good and bad can get done with a majority government. With a majority government, it is not difficult to reverse some of the policies of the previous government. Trudeau did the same when he won in 2015. If he wants to stop all of Trudeau/Guilbeault environmental policies and Freeland tax changes, he will have no problem doing it with a majority government.

njambert:
With a majority government, a lot gets done. Unless you want to tell us that Trudeau had no powers and that no prime minister has the power or rights to do anything, then things can eventually get done. How did Trudeau get approved to bring in over 1million immigrants per year in the past 3years? If he could get away with that, why can policies that can affect the nation not be effected by Pierre?

njambert:
[b]What about the fact that once there's war, Canada brings in refugees that neighbouring countries could not take; from Afghanistan, Syria, Ukraine. That's importing. [/b]These have proven to be counter productive, time and time again.
Or what about promoting degenerate sexual tendencies; including homosexuality, sexual reassignment surgeries, transgenderism, adoption by same sex couples, etc has got to do with right wing media?
Why did you leave Nigeria for western countries if there aren't any desirable values that brought you here?

"You seem to forget that Trudeau govt is a coalition govt with the NDP (or so)"

Which explains my point. Trudeau has been under minority government and needed the NDP to get things done. If PP wins as the polls are showing, he will have the overwhelming majority and can more easily implement his policies.

It's seems you moved here recently, read about Canada history, it's what they have always done irrespective of the Prime Minister from the days of giving Black Americans who were slaves at that time refuge, some of them are still in Nova Scotia till date, whenever US or some other country invades another country, Canada is always giving them that refuge, it should be balanced though because we're not the cause of any of these wars and shouldn't suffer it in anyway.

Before you moved here you already know that Canada is pro lgbt, when Pollievre enters you would be dreaming if you think he would reverse any of those laws, something that has been in existence since 2005 and conservatives didn't bother, it's in 2025 that they would now change anything? As long as they remove children and teenagers less than 18, we're good.

Journe:
It's seems you moved here recently, read about Canada history, it's what they have always done irrespective of the Prime Minister from the days of giving Black Americans who were slaves at that time refuge, some of them are still in Nova Scotia till date, whenever US or some other country invades another country, Canada is always giving them that refuge, it should be balanced though because we're not the cause of any of these wars and shouldn't suffer it in anyway.

Before you moved here you already know that Canada is pro lgbt, when Pollievre enters you would be dreaming if you think he would reverse any of those laws, something that has been in existence since 2005 and conservatives didn't bother, it's in 2025 that they would now change anything? As long as they remove children and teenagers less than 18, we're good.

leave am make he dey play lol

No I'm not dreaming of a complete reversal, but I'm hoping for a PM who isn't a woke tom boy as Trudeau is. A PM who promotes traditional family values and that's what PP has been doing. A PM who clearly defines the two sexes as biology teaches, and not one who can't differentiate a man from a woman. A PM who doesn't to match for gay parades. Not a PM who serves the interest of gay people than he cares for the needs of the average Canadian. A PM who wouldn't promote policies to have gay flags printed on crosswalks in the guise of fighting for minority rights. I'm hoping for a solid leader and not a sissy.

Journe:
It's seems you moved here recently, read about Canada history, it's what they have always done irrespective of the Prime Minister from the days of giving Black Americans who were slaves at that time refuge, some of them are still in Nova Scotia till date, whenever US or some other country invades another country, Canada is always giving them that refuge, it should be balanced though because we're not the cause of any of these wars and shouldn't suffer it in anyway.

Before you moved here you already know that Canada is pro lgbt, when Pollievre enters you would be dreaming if you think he would reverse any of those laws, something that has been in existence since 2005 and conservatives didn't bother, it's in 2025 that they would now change anything? As long as they remove children and teenagers less than 18, we're good.

Journe:
It's seems you moved here recently, read about Canada history, it's what they have always done irrespective of the Prime Minister from the days of giving Black Americans who were slaves at that time refuge, some of them are still in Nova Scotia till date, whenever US or some other country invades another country, Canada is always giving them that refuge, it should be balanced though because we're not the cause of any of these wars and shouldn't suffer it in anyway.

Before you moved here you already know that Canada is pro lgbt, when Pollievre enters you would be dreaming if you think he would reverse any of those laws, something that has been in existence since 2005 and conservatives didn't bother, it's in 2025 that they would now change anything? As long as they remove children and teenagers less than 18, we're good.

your last sentence is a very big issue in the community. Men who transition to women late usually have that broad shoulders or long jaw which makes people know/taunt them. So they prefer giving puberty blockers to kids or doing the transition early. God abeg 😪

I'm happy we having this discussion a lot of people tend to shy away from. As immigrants, govt policy also impacts us and it's important we share our opinion without fear of being blackmailed.

The truth is massive immigration benefits nobody and whoever advocates for it doesn't know anything about societal structure or nation building.

I know this thread is about giving advise to those relocating to Canada but it also important for those coming to have a true picture of what's on ground here.

100%.
That's why I laugh when people call me selfish for advocating for a more cautious approach to immigration. I don't only want people to relocate here, but to relocate AND succeed. What's happening in the last few years is people coming here and lamenting how bad Canada is. You don't need to look far to see all the bitter complains and stories all around, with rising insecurity, growing unemployment and underemployment, overload of public services, housing issues, etc and all other ramifications that come with mass immigration. Immigrants are quitting in record numbers, and most can't wait to get citizenship and move South of the border or go home.

SIRTee15:
I'm happy we having this discussion a lot of people tend to shy away from. As immigrants, govt policy also impacts us and it's important we share our opinion without fear of being blackmailed.

The truth is massive immigration benefits nobody and whoever advocates for it doesn't know anything about societal structure or nation building.

I know this thread is about giving advise to those relocating to Canada but it also important for those coming to have a true picture of what's on ground here.

ednut1:
your last sentence is a very big issue in the community. Men who transition to women late usually have that broad shoulders or long jaw which makes people know/taunt them. So they prefer giving puberty blockers to kids or doing the transition early. God abeg 😪

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Time will tell the effect of puberty blockers when these children hit their 30s and older
Puberty isn't just about your sex hormones it's about how your whole body grows into an adult, your bone density, brain function and other organs

It's just setting up kids for a future that medicine has no data on.
Sigh

njambert:
No I'm not dreaming of a complete reversal, but I'm hoping for a PM who isn't a woke tom boy as Trudeau is. A PM who promotes traditional family values and that's what PP has been doing. A PM who clearly defines the two sexes as biology teaches, and not one who can't differentiate a man from a woman. A PM who doesn't to match for gay parades. Not a PM who serves the interest of gay people than he cares for the needs of the average Canadian. A PM who wouldn't promote policies to have gay flags printed on crosswalks in the guise of fighting for minority rights. I'm hoping for a solid leader and not a sissy.

I get you, it's obvious he wouldn't win in October, I guess that's why his party forced him to step down so they could have a fighting chance

Taal17:


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Time will tell the effect of puberty blockers when these children hit their 30s and older
Puberty isn't just about your sex hormones it's about how your whole body grows into an adult, your bone density, brain function and other organs

It's just setting up kids for a future that medicine has no data on.
Sigh

It's sad and in some provinces, children don't even need the consent of their parents to take this huge decision

njambert:
100%.
That's why I laugh when people call me selfish for advocating for a more cautious approach to immigration. I don't only want people to relocate here, but to relocate AND succeed. What's happening in the last few years is people coming here and lamenting how bad Canada is. You don't need to look far to see all the bitter complains and stories all around, with rising insecurity, growing unemployment and underemployment, overload of public services, housing issues, etc and all other ramifications that come with mass immigration. Immigrants are quitting in record numbers, and most can't wait to get citizenship and move South of the border or go home.

This is the irony of it all. The immigrants the liberals and their wokeist immigrant advocates are fighting for are the same ones lamenting that Canada is becoming a dump.

Lots of Indians and south Americans are going back. They felt they've been sold a lie and Canada is overrated.

Immigrants come here for a reason, and if the reality doesn't meet their expectations esp economic factors, they quickly become disillusioned and gest frustrated.
Then they go to social media and lament.

That's what is happening now.

njambert:
No I'm not dreaming of a complete reversal, but I'm hoping for a PM who isn't a woke tom boy as Trudeau is. A PM who promotes traditional family values and that's what PP has been doing. A PM who clearly defines the two sexes as biology teaches, and not one who can't differentiate a man from a woman. A PM who doesn't to match for gay parades. Not a PM who serves the interest of gay people than he cares for the needs of the average Canadian. A PM who wouldn't promote policies to have gay flags printed on crosswalks in the guise of fighting for minority rights. I'm hoping for a solid leader and not a sissy.

This your post is very funny.
The LGBT community fought for their right to live in freedom, and ing them does not make you a sissy.
It has come to stay, and societies do not typically move backwards, but forward
Even Trump who deluded naija wannabe right-wingers worship as their guy to clean up "wokeness" in America dares not utter a word against the community
After taking Peter Thiel and Co's money
And having trans allies
That ship has sailed bro
Better accept it

SIRTee15:


This is the irony of it all. The immigrants the liberals and their wokeist immigrant advocates are fighting for are the same ones lamenting that Canada is becoming a dump.

Lots of Indians and south Americans are going back. They felt they've been sold a lie and Canada is overrated.

Immigrants come here for a reason, and if the reality doesn't meet their expectations esp economic factors, they quickly become disillusioned and gest frustrated.
Then they go to social media and lament.

That's what is happening now.

Too much of everything is bad
This includes migration as well.
It needs to be done right
It also need to be done without victimisation of people on of their ethnic origin or backgrounds.
Let's see what the next ten years have in store for this country

RodgersAkpafu:


you have [probably] not lived with them

You have not been in their enclaves
You have not been a victim of their mercenary practices at the workplace

Actually, I have lived and worked with them. I am a doctor in the UK and you wouldn't get a higher percentage of Indians in any sector than the NHS/Care. And please dont make the excuse of 'oh, but those are health/care workers'. It seems you are now repeating tropes racist folks spew against others. Funny enough, all you said does not surprise. Blacks, Jews, Irish, Igbos, Yorubas and Hausas were at different times described with worse narratives by certain minds

The West is not fed up with India. On the contrary, they are becoming more entrenched.
In the UK, Indians outperform most immigrant groups in educational attainment (GCSEs attached) and wealth and they're underrepresented in crime. The last PM and many MPs were of Indian heritage. There is still a special migration pathway for Indians only and most of the medical colleges have a direct agreement to with Indian colleges that see people come over.
In Australia, its similar. Infact the Australian government recently went to India to employ 150 docs.
In the U.S, its virtually thesame story. The possible change to H1B visa should see even more Indians take up highly paid tech jobs. Already most tech coys have outsourced to India. You might say its because of low wages but wages in Nigeria are even lower. How come they're not coming here?


The ignorance with which folks speak about the UK here is quite amusing. You can get more info on 'Nigerians in UK' page but to be clear, the last group of migrants the UK would close its doors against would be Indians. BTW, Nigeria owes financial debt to India. In addition, they helped build us the largest refinery in the world and our only functional one in decades plus train our engineers to run it. This was after years of our presidents begging western coys to do so. It must be a 'low-trust' refinery

njambert:


This same ivity is the reason why liberals can't figure out destruction they bring upon themselves and their respective nations.

I can't arguing strongly on this page in favour of immigration. I've been quite clear- everyone is free to have their thoughts but where I draw the line is when humans and now being denigrated for taking up a legal pathway. If you dont like the pathways, write to your MP, protest or vote the government out but don't turn it to racist abuse. Whatever stane you take, it's worth looking at Japan cos it seems where they are is a stage most western nations are actively avoiding

The situation of the UK is not a right wing media narrative, it is a much more sinister than you are making it out to be. It is a spineless undemocratic hellhole gradually crumbling unto perdition. And Canada is following the same footsteps.
Why has Tommy Robinson been detained, threatened and banned for making a documentary about these crimes since January 2022?
He's currently serving an 18-month prison term and Elon Musk has called for his release;
....

UK politics is very complex. It's important to understand the landscape before making such bold statements
That you don't know why Tommy Robinson is in prison again is shocking given you have such strong views about him. Your ignorance about everyday UK issues is quite telling and shows how far disinformation can go. That every party in the UK including the far right Reform have distanced themselves from him should tell you something. Or do you also see him as the Martin Luther king of our generation?