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plaetton:
Just to add to this discussion on morality and it's source, let me remind those who continue to point to religion and their invisible gods as the source for morality that such argument remains a failed argument.
For good example, we are not surprised at all that latest prison statistics show that 92% of prison inmates in Nigeria are adherents of the 2 major Middle East religions.
Adherents of African traditional religions make up only 2% of the prison population, while atheists make up only 1% of the prison population in Nigeria.

So, the facts are there.
Religion is definitely not the source of morality.

I guess what you wanted to say is religion 'should' not be a source of morality. But if you stand by your point then there are two flaws in it. One, if religion isn't a source of Morality, there should be more atheists than theists.

Two, atheists are expected to make up approximately 1% of any large gathering in a religious country like ours cos they also make up a very small percentage (if not 1%) of this country's population.

monex:


that I have reasoning does not mean I have developed any sense of morality.

If I was born and lived in isolation. I would not have a sense of morality. even animals raised in isolation only think of self-survival

I fail to see your point. I never argued that morality can be gotten in isolation. I argued reasoning.

Lol. What a funny world. Those with the talent and tight mojos are wasting away in unknown places while the mediocres are getting attention. Even if I was given his music CD for free, I can't accept it. Dude sings like a local palm wine tapper. Yet thinks he's Drake.

The game in camp nou will likely end 2 1 in favour of barcelona. Barcelona scores first, scores second. Chelsea then scores. Game ends. Chelsea have the aggression, hunger and all but Barcelona will bore them to frustration. Chelsea will want to attack at some point, open up necessary spaces at the back and that's where their net will house goals. It's a game of tactics. Barca is superior in that aspect.

I don't see Barcelona lifting this champions league. But anyone ready to bet, they definitely are qualifying for the next round. They are more pragmatic than beautiful under this new manager.

Autonomy, complexity and a connection between effort and reward are three most important factors a work must have for it to be satisfying. However, desperation is a biitch. Pushes you to a point you think you just can't withstand the toxicity. Then anything that comes, you jump ship. Reality dawns, you then start giving others advice. Got one pal a well paying job, she couldn't withstand the pressure, resigned. Now living at the mercies of friends' benevolence. I don't roll like that. When shiit gets real, I activate the beast mode. Money and emotions don't mix. As far as the job pays the bills, it makes no sense leaving out of emotional reasons.

Lmao. It's your mind doing the trick. Once you are expecting something, your whole brain becomes addicted to thinking of it. Since your brain cells doesn't sleep, it replays your thoughts in a non organized manner at sleep or in your subconscious. Then you wake up and boom! God has spoken. You start a church. Since great motivation is needed to excel at anything, you start excelling at the church. It's a further prove to you that 'God' sent you. The numbers attract more crowds and you are made. Prophecy becomes easy when there is a large crowd now. 'somebody here will receive an important call before next week that will catapult his destiny'. Law of large numbers help you. Someone gets a call. He runs to the church to pay you handsomely for that 'miraculous prophecy'. The word spreads that a great man of God is somewhere. You become a General Overseer of many branches with just a normal dream you had. Is God not wonderful?

Sex is a wonderful thing. It's art, it's beauty. We should stop demonizing it. You complicate things when you bring religion into it.

Ok, this is how you know weak men. There is no such thing as women dressing indecently. They owe you nothing. So even if they dress naked, you have no right to attribute your misbehavior to their dressing. It's a free world.

You are falling in your own delusion. Love is a choice. You don't fall in it. You choose to express it to who deserve it.

ubunja:
men are free to look like women but women are not free to look like men? what does that mean?? and their " glow" must always be there to be considered beautiful? bet you never seen boyish tomboys who are drop dead beautiful but looking less feminine.
"the scales are not the same?" meaning what?

Dude you chose your conclusions from a flawed premise. There is technically no such thing as Men being more beautiful than women or vice versa. The yardstick for measuring their beauty isn't the same. If they were, comparisons will make sense. For instance Brad Pitt is considered a handsome man, but if he doesn't have his beards and all, while being dressed like a female, most Men won't consider him 'a beautiful woman'. Same with this big brother guy, Tobi. He has huge masculine features, strong jaws, forehead, cheekbones etc. If he had come to the world with the same face but with a different genitaliaa, most will say he is very unattractive for a woman. Comparisons only make sense when you're comparing likes with likes. Talking about tomboy women looking fine is you missing the point again. Dressing/acting like a man and looking like a man are two different things. I hate writing long essays. I assume you are averagely intelligent. You should be able to read between the lines.

Your posts kinda gets too long. You made some valid points tho. However where I think you missing the point is not understanding that the scales used in measuring beauty for both gender isn't the same. Men are free to look like men/masculine, men are also free to look like women/feminine. In both cases they will still be considered handsome, cute etc. The stakes are a bit higher for women. They are only allowed to look like women. I.e their physical appearance must show absolute effeminate qualities. The glow must always be there for the society to consider them beautiful. And nature itself isn't constant. Their appearance changes with time but since the yardstick for measuring their own beauty is based on a constant glow/feminist look, any other changes to that is considered unattractive. The scales here aren't the same, so comparisons might be spurious.

He should calm his balls down and learn goal scoring 101 from cr9. Mofo was trying to do skills that ajegunle boys will do on sand. Overrated piece of shiit.

He should get over himself. The fan's intention was just to hail him although it came off wrong. I've never liked him cos of his condescending and 'too goody' image he flaunts around.

WrathOfHadez:
I understand bashing Nigeria online these days is a short circuit to getting likes but that shouldn’t encourage blind and ignorant criticism.

I will not tarry on this argument further to prove nothing, but if you think people move to another country solely for economic reasons then we shouldn’t be having this convo in the first place.


I will leave you with this:

Go check these economic measurements between Nigeria vs Ghana

•GDP nomina

• GDP per capita

• GDP base

• PPP

Nigeria trumps Ghana embarrassingly ing for 76% of the economy of the entire West Africa.

If nairaland has a way we check people's IQ before quoting them, most of the replies we give these empty heads will have been unnecessary. Telling him to read up is like telling a blind man to see. He's one of the frustrated products of the system so I won't blame him. Who wouldn't be? But regardless of how bad things are, it's those that bleeds green white green in them that we can count on to be the leaders of tomorrow. Not the ones that s the enemy to hurl stones at your motherland.

HeyCorleone:


The last sentence is just mere consolation. Why do we Nigerians always love to feel superior over other African countries, that are even faring better than us? Smh. The world doesn't revolve around us.

The world might not revolve around us but Africa damn does. What are you on about actually? In a bid to sound like a critic you go around sounding like someone that is uninformed. Yes we have our own problems but throwing your own country to the gutters just to prove a point in front of strangers is pure bull crap. More like Treason. What's wrong with you? South Africa got their infrastructure handed to them by the whites. They met a ready made country after apartheid. Ghana and other countries that have constant electricity can talk when they have the same consumption level and population we have. There are mitigating factors here. We have fought to keep most African Nations safe. We have improved their Economies through bilateral trades, we have exported even our electricity to these same critics. Yet they want to have an opinion. I won't have a problem if it's coming from external camps, but people like you talking like traitors just cannot be tolerated.

I really do not understand this site anymore. What is the purpose of nairaland. What sort of nonsense topics makes front page these days. What is front page worthy in a wh.ore showing her buttocks. It's not even entertaining to fall under that category. Were these mods even trained before being mods?

Dump her aass. She is manipulating you. If you guys break up now, she will still tell the new guy good things you do that he doesn't. It's 21st century dude, relationships aren't one sided anymore.

Chikita66:
When you get so high, you start letting it all out, he is so ugly when he cries

You have not gained the right to call anyone ugly.

jamescross:
our reasoning is based on what we are taught, religion is basically traditions of men as claim to have gotten it from their gods.

i pick neither, why! lemme explain. it's also connects to where we believe our origin is from i.e who first taught us.
here's a question can an isolated(without interaction) human, learn without being taught?
so did our reasoning self evolve or where we shown by an all knowing God. our morals is based on what we value.

what made man gave man his values.

A human is capable of reasoning without being taught. It's basic science really. A human being born in a wilderness but has access to things to make him survive is capable of basic reasoning. Bringing the 'all knowing God' putting values into us by default into this issue is just you missing the point.

Gggg102:



in cases like yours, you know how people in general want to be treated.

the average person won't want you to be sleeping with his spouse.

or you treat people in a neutral manner

I actually agree that humans should live based on the Golden rule. But the truth is, most of our laws (especially in Africa) has religious influences in it. Immunity to tax for religious institutions , Laws against the LGBT communities etc. We describe this laws as 'godly' and defend them vehemently. Yet we refuse to use empathy in judging how reasonable they are.

Gggg102:



empathy is about how the other person feels. you have to put yourself in the person's condition.
if the person does not like it, don't do it to the person.

-if a person wants to be treated in a way and you also want to be treated in that same way, treat each other that way.
-if a person does not like to be treated a way and you also would not like it if you were in their shoes, don't do it to the person.
-if a person does not like to be treated a certain way but you would love to be treated in that way, don't treat the person that way but you can allow yourself to be treated that way.
-if a person wants to be treated in a way, but you don't want to be treated that way, you can treat the person that way but you shouldn't be treated that way.

But there are cases where you cannot know what the person wants or doesn't? Cases where your actions to someone affects a third party that you don't know well like the example I gave. Or cases where you haven't established much relationship with someone to know their likes and dislikes, then a certain situation arise that requires you to behave to them in a way. How do you reconcile this?

Gggg102:
I will pick empathy. something along the lines of doing to treating others the way you want to be treated.

What I might be ok with, another man might not. I might be ok with another man wooing my wife if I don't love her. Does it mean I have the right to do so with other men's wives?

RadicallyBlunt:
You know, Ron Kenoly once sang a song telling america to return back to righteousness and stop writing laws inspired by lust and convenience. When he was asked why he sang it, he said America was a nation built under God bla bla, american currency has inscribed on it.."in God we trust", and he ended his answer with "God bless america".

Civilization comes with demerits such as moral decay but people are negligent of it. Its so much that morality which was d order of d day some centuries back is now looking strange because what this generation is familiar with is civilization and immorality.

So op, I think you're asking the wrong question, morality has existed in many forms depending on d culture of different people right from creation. The more disturbing and researchable question which encapsulates this present generation in which we find ourselves is "what's the origin of civilization/immorality"

Religion is as old as man. Even the cultures and traditions you are talking about were drafted with religious influences in it. And there is no such thing as a universal way of doing things cos culture still differs even in a homogeneous settings. I also do not understand the point you made as to civilization bringing moral decay. How do you define moral decay?

Plato asked an interesting question - '' Is conduct right because the gods command it or do the gods command it cos its right?''.

What yardstick do we use to measure morality?. Religion or Reasoning?. If you pick Religion,where do you now place Reasoning in determining the morality of an act that religion is silent about? E.g Masturbation, Technology (Use of Robots, Sex Dolls etc)

If you pick Reasoning,why do we then need the gods to interpret morality to us?.

On this cardinal questions lies the confusion that keeps ravaging humanity.

Lucifer. I will like to hear his side of the story.

sekxyqueen:
lool..I agree with number 10,especially the hungry broke lads on here..trying to discourage other guys from assisting their gfs...

saying bla bla bla shiit..,,,

we all know that deep down, they aren't happy for their fellow man..

oshi

You have a poverty mentality. Your posts reeks of it.

A real man is one that stays True to his nature - either 'good' or 'bad'. Pursues what he wants, dominates his emotions and does what he gat to do to stay high up the food chain. Any other definition is unacceptable.

You did what you had to do. The real crime is not letting your husband know. He owns your body. Sounds like a fake story tho, but it happens anyway....

sarrki:
Pmb score
Security 85%
Economy 35%
Agriculture 90%
Unity. 25%
Corruption 45%
Infrastructure 55%
My opinion though

Why did you rate him 35% in Economy?

So what makes him a guy if not his joystick?

What the guys did was wrong. But what I don't understand is why girls attach much reverence to their boobies and backside. I'm very sure if those guys had touched her arm or shoulder, she won't be making much noise about it. Yet a woman can squeeze a man's ass anyhow and even joke about it. And they say it's a man's world.