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richommie: sure deal with criminality there. criminality should not be a way of life but dude you'd be biting too much if you turn you arsenal away from where it presently is and then face it to the Niger Delta. just deploy some of your arsenal down south to curtail criminality. ..datz all |
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FYI guys college professor in the US is simply a lecturer or teacher, and not necessarily a phd person kindly note |
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OLAADEGBU: ![]() my take Nope,... insulting anyone is not a thing of pride,especially if our goal is not to make them see the error in their ways I'll now go on to speak about this scripture Jesus concentrated on legalities in most part of the chapter and drilled down to the tiny constituting bits of the law that most people will not attempt to get into, lest the vast consciousness of their sins overwhelms them but Jesus then threw in something interesting into the process - a leeway he says that wen you don mess up and the law in which you are subject to is about to take its pound of flesh quickly make friends with your opponent that has a case against you Some can inteprete this as asking for forgiveness of sin regularly, others can interprete it as asking for forgiveness once and for all times But as for me, as I believe I am not subject to the law in the first place I do not have a case to answer with regards to breaking it Its almost like what we were initially told about Sharia law in Nigeria that Muslims will be subject to it, but not us So if a muslim drinks beer, he would be caned if their religious police takes him before their judge except he pacifies his police My drinking beer is not supposed to attract such punishment ![]() |
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Imanuelle:yep, na so British fashion be oo my brother and FFK i hear schooled in the UK Even I wear such and it is taken a fashion plus if i even were canvass sef |
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OLAADEGBU:Olaas baba!!! my sunday school teacher ![]() make i put interesting twist for this kweshion and then run to romance or politics section TWIST 1 If using the English version of the bible Jesus said he has not come to destroy the law or the prophets. He didn't say "I am not going to destroy the law" .....Context is everything Its like this Imagine Buhari says "My goal for coming to power is not for the prosecution of GEJ, Obasanjo and IBB " "I have only come to cleanse Nigeria of corruption both past and present" ...Do we get it ![]() TWIST 2 I recently realised (or gleaned) that if a British person runs to Syria to kill someone and runs back the British government will not charge him for murder, whereas, the Syrian government will surely hang him if they catch him Juxtaposing this, the Law, even if it is still standing like Iroko, is only applicable to people under its jurisdiction ..but someone might scream, Noooo, its the law of God, so its universal so I thought, until I noticed new testament writers absolving God of it and instead calling it the law of Moses given by angels ![]() Ok, but are you not an israelite anymore? someone might ask Nope, I always ed being a Nigerian and besides, the law was only applicable after Moses instituted it, In order words, no Israelite before Moses generation was under the law As a christian I might argue that I am of Abraham,but definetly not of Jacob, so my lineage is not within the confines of the law whether by grace or hard Nigerian flesh TWIST 3 A comb is mean to straighten your hair the emphasis is not on the comb, but on the hair The comb might be made of exquisite imperishable material ...no problem, but its a comb the power of the comb is only because you use it on your hair You can decide that you want a new comb, or that want to start having skin cut you are not bound to the comb ...he who the son of man as set free, is free indeed |
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Kei144: This is part of what I think, ..a rough hypothesis perhaps After the fall of Adam, his family began to seek for wholeness/protection and scheme for it salvation to his kids was construed as the the desire for God to grant them good 'harvest' and protect the fruits of their labour Adam and his wife had also told their kids what happened in Eden they told them how things were very easy before they fell they also told them that God had said that a seed of theirs would defeat Satan and restore mankind to his lost glory Cain and Abel felt that they could be the seed that God was speaking about and so wanted to attract God to choose them this also meant salvation to them This lead them to making sacrifices to God After that Sacrifice recorded in the Torah, Cain was rejected while Abel was accepted <there is a logical gap here: was after the sacrifice the first time God spoke to them?> Cain was upset and jealous, so he killed Abel Everything, every essence of Abel was in agony and revolt. It could not believe that his hope for being the chosen one had being quashed by Cain hence God said, "the blood of your brother Abel cries out for vengeance" As men began to multiply, they also took with them this understanding of a time long gone when everything was perfect Great grand pa Adam and Eve were around for a long time to tell them the stories of Eden Each person or most people wanted Gods salvation for the short term and sometimes for the long term the short term salvation were for God to grant Eden like grace, success and protection to their labour and being the long term salvation aspiration was that either they or their lineage be the chosen one to birth the seed that will restore Eden ...tbc someday in the future |
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MuttleyLaff: please expand on this view of yours |
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MuttleyLaff: Excellent I feel like giving you a bear hug |
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umhhhhh girl not bad thank God say femi no get dangote money im for turn everybody sister to im girlfriend |
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Imanuelle: Its not the typical coat we tend to call in a jacket its rough because that's the style |
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italo:aha If you've decided that your only source of learning is your church. that's fine Our arguments or discussions then feels almost like a woman dating a man who they both know will never be hers -fruitless and its also like I would typically say to some MOG indoctrinated fellas here who strongly defend biblical positions their pastors have taken I'd rather discuss with their knowledge sources -their MOGs finally, Yo know that Jeremiah the prophet once invited the children of Jonadab to drink in the house of God as instructed by God they came, but refused to drink. They said that Jonadab their father had instructed them on how to live, and will keep to it. Interestingly, God blessed them for such commitment and rebuked Judah for the recalcitrant behaviour. ...I consequently believe that you have blessings for being commited to your own christian tradition |
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italo: We never know it all my dear friend we know a lot in somethings and little in others I teach what I know (or believe I know), and learn what I know little about the challenge a number of folks have is that they think they know but actually know nothing and with such haphazard knowledge being masqueraded as the full bouquet of knowledge they end up thinking that arguments are a battle which they must win and thus tend to speak authoritatively on issues they have sparsely meditated on If you being so knowledgeable on the things of hell as to be a teacher for all things I decide to question you rigorously about hell, the way a typical atheist would i doubt you'd give applaud-able answers In conclusion .... I think you should be open to learning and not throwing yourself forth as a teacher who has gained infallible mastership ** I thought to also add that someone 'not being an expert' in something doesn't neccesarily translate to the person 'knowing so little' Interstingly, I do know all the teachings about hell within the concept of christianity (probably more than you do), however, it's not something that I have spent time meditating on, neither am I keen to discuss my meditations so far within such a maze as the present thread **** |
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italo:i think Peter was refering to Baptism in water for the remission of sin here The baptism in 1Pet3:21 doesn't save? Or it wasn't water baptism?I think the writer of this bit (especially if it was Peter) had began to gradually through experience and greater knowledge realise that his earlier conception of water baptism as the sole ritual that brought about 'salvation' had some gaps hence he writes: 1 peter 3: 21Corresponding to that, baptism now saves you-- not the removal of dirt from the flesh, but an appeal to God for a good conscience-- through the resurrection of Jesus Christ Like you, I once believed in the exclusivity of water baptism and then like Peter in his later epistle, I soon began to question this belief based on my experiences and meditation on the person and message of Christ I was born a christian, and always believed in Christ, when I gave my life to Christ lordship later in life, I 'felt' the cleansing of sins like a weight was lifted out from me, I then went on to receive the baptism of the Holy Spirit some weeks later Years later, I got baptised, and felt none of these. I'll rest my case here. 1 Like 1 Share |
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italo: . . Are you saying all who never heard of Jesus before they died but did good according to the dictates of their conscience shall go to hell?Fortunately for me, I am not a hell doctrine expert at least not yet, so I cant answer this Similarly, I ask you who say that we are saved by faith and baptism of the spirit...I'm gonna deviate a little into a wider concept I'll first say this, I have gently tried to encourage Olaadegbu and Frosbel who happen to be bible scholars to help research and bring to the fore discussion on what SAVE meant during bible times and the early days of the church .not what we presently understand it as which is being saved from hell. By present beliefs on the concept of SAVE suggests that folks who never heard of Christ whether they did good or not might have been saved at one point or another. This is of course outside the concept of the doctrine of hell which I know little about. I believe that when Adam would have used the word SAVE, he probably wasnt thinking of hell I also believe that when many in the old testament times talked about save, they had something else in mind |
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MuttleyLaff:i think i agree with you in all of these |
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italo:still trying my best to conform within your line of argument then my rough answer would be yes, he was 'saved' twice or rather washed from sin twice 1st when he believed and 2nd when he was baptised that this closely tallies with your explanation that after believe, if there is no oppurtunity for water baptism, then God accepts you until such a time water is available. I would then extend it to mean that once water is available for baptism, your sins come back patiently waiting to be washed away a second time however, if I am to approach it from my own belief system, I have two theories, one which I'd explain like this: Paul believed that Jesus was indeed Christ after his Saulish encounter .. no sin was washed here Ananias then lead him to accept Christ as his master this acceptance was baptism into Christ which Paul outwardly demonstrated or connected to by being baptised in water and calling on Christ to be his master it was the acceptance of Christ's lordship that washed away his sins and made him whole it so happened that the baptism by water happened almost same time as Paul's acceptance of Christ's lordship hence it appears to be that the water is what washed away his sins I think this also confused Peter, because he had always thought that water baptism was the only sign of acceptance so when he was preaching to the gentiles and they believed, accepted Christ and the Holy Spirit descended on them with them barely saying anything he was awe struck and just went ahead to baptise them without other rituals which he might have requested they perform before baptism |
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@italo I just now read an earlier post you wrote which answers the question I raised above^^ I don't completely agree with you, but accept that you are have the rights to your beliefs My belief is that at the point you accept Jesus, you are given a new life (baptised into Christ) I believe that acceptance is primarily in the heart, but is commonly intertwined with various kinds of physical demonstrations such as (1) water baptism (whether by immersion or sprinkling), (2) confession with your mouth or (3) other symbolisms (for example, if one is dumb, muttering or shedding tears might be that conscious acceptance link into the new birth) |
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italo:fair enough. I'll work with your belief. Now back to your verses which were: (1)Act22:16 And now why do you delay? Get up, be baptized, and have your sins washed away, calling on his name.’ (2) "Then Peter said to them, Repent, and be baptised every one of you in the name of Jesus Christ for the remission of sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit" (Acts 2:38) Looking at both verses it seems to indicate a process baptise>> sins washed away >> then Holy Spirit gift received I guess we all agree with this process. the challenge we all have is agreeing to what constitutes baptism the original tradition seemed to indicate that water baptism was done inside water. I'm sure you and I both agree with this Baptists and those after them believe that water baptism involves being dipped into water, while Catholics and some others believe that sprinkling of water over the head will suffice. Now, let's push this further but carefully when in a desert, with a bottle of water - The Catholic approach suggests that a person can be baptised - the Baptist approach suggests that a person cannot be baptized when in a desert, with no water - The Catholic approach suggests that a person cannot be baptised - the Baptist approach suggests that a person cannot be baptized Now, if for any reason it is true that water baptism is the start of the process for the remission of sin then, he who is stuck in the desert and wants Jesus is on his own.... abi, is saliva also accepted in place of water? After you've spared some thought on this, and given your view, I might push it further to shed some light on water baptism |
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italo: Before we go on to answering this question, please kindly confirm if you agree with me that there is no indication or proof that it was the Holy Spirit that said the statements that you ascribed to him. This would be helpful in laying some solid foundation for our next line of assertions. that I have not yet attempted to make sense of what those scriptures say Thanks |
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italo: Acts 22:16 I thought this was Paul narrating what Ananias said to him? I read the verse again, and could not find anyone saying that the "the Holy Spirit said..." Acts 2: 38 that was peter speaking, not the Holy Spirit ............................................................ Don't get me wrong I'm not at this point of interjection into you train of thoughts arguing whether baptism remits sin or not I'm just setting the record straight about who was speaking in those verses you quoted we probably can take it on from there |
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kITATITA: and why should he reject it? denounce , yes, but certainly not reject He can make a point by collecting and splitting it publicly with a charity organisation 3 Likes 2 Shares |
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steveGlacial: sorry that you feel frustration more than a decade ago, I was plagued with depression for years In hindsight, I'll share some strategies>> look at the bright side. You feel frustration first because you are alive....after all, it is said that the dead feel nothing The next good thing about your situation is that you feel frustration because you hunger for or desire something better thanks to Jesus for this. It shows that you you're burning to change from a caterpillar to a butterfly -a desire for metamorphosis ![]() If while reading this, you noticed that you smiled a little bit, then you're on to something. its called the good news first surround yourself with feel-good news, not bad news, or harsh news - that His thoughts towards you are good, not evil temporarily avoid all of those gba gba ti gba strong sermons I advice that you go only for Joel oesten and Joseph Prince for now. if possible, for now, do not read the old testament, concentrate only only the new with emphasis on the first 4. do not take unto yourself any master. Believe that Christ is your only master still at this stage then, when you start feeling comfortable in your skin, start setting small achievable goals it could include for example gradually changing your appearance; the way you perceive issues; your academic and social achievements etc as your confidence increases, ......well you are on your own the world will be yours to explore. You can then engross yourself with the things I suggested that you avoid initially. while exploring, if you notice any regressions back into frustration, then avoid what triggered it as the scripture infers: a priest must not touch dead things lest it infects him with death .......you'll through this brother ![]() 1 Like 2 Shares |
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OLAADEGBU: my thoughts>> we are saved by both faith and baptism (not water baptism) as one dem all When you put together the two writers (Book of Mark and Mathew)who tried to capture Jesus closing statement it goes like this: Go into the world and preach the good news. when someone believes, ensure that they are baptised (immersive knowledge and oneness) into the Father, Son and Spirit. If this is done, they shall be saved through all times just as you have been saved through all times. If they do not believe, well they will remain in the condemnation that is bequeathed by the first birth. These are some of the characteristics of what save means. The believe and baptism in the three will ensure that that they speak with new tongues and rebuke the sting of death and demons. 1 Like |
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SGF position should not be given to people with Amaechi, Ribadu, Kingibe and Sanusis temperaments ooooo it needs a cool headed person Temperaments that can manage such SSG position can be found in Oyegun, Onu, Olu Falae etc 6 Likes 1 Share |
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ricsman: It is said that the pathway to hell is full of good intentions madam, you see Yerima dey your bill, fear suppose catch you nawwww It's like a Christian championing a bill against amputating people based on religious ethics and then Yerima s it The right thing for the Christian to do is to reassess the bill to see its weak parts that is causing amputee advocates to it. Yerima was probably excited because he knew he could insert some little ink somewhere into the bill to make it pleasing to him and his fellow baby hunters 2 Likes |
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dayo23: I'd love to see Ndigbo states make strategic appointments from other none ndigbo states and then ensure that it is widely reported in the media this would stop others from making rhetoric comments to igbos such as "would you allow this in your own communities?" it would give the east the moral right to ask for greater inclusion in the governments of states in which they migrate to 2 Likes |
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modath: No, no Modath we can't continue being 'realists' ..granted that Buhari is a great choice apart from him, we can't bend realism towards the North alone this is what is called self fulfilling prophesy it is 'reality' only because you believe in it and act on it Ever heard of 'game theory' and 'prisoners dilemma'? The only reason the core north wins and might continue to always win as a REALITY is simply because the south is in a state of "prisoners dilemma" This is the mistake Awo and Zik made, each trying to outwit the other this is the mistake you guys and the East might also make moving forward Its not REALITY, its sucking up In TRUISM, if Southern Nigeria present a common front politically the Middlebelt will align with them What gain does one have playing second fiddle? I can't look at my mate in the eye and call him master ...never except I am desperately hungry we're either equals or he should be the one calling me master ...well I guess our cultures do influence us and yes I get your point, but thank God I am in a position not to mentally accede to it |
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modath: if you're a southerner writing the bolded part, ..then i can confidently say that you have a strong inferiority complex which some 'TANoids' describe as slave mentality All your permutations point to a situation where Nigeria will be perpetually governed only by core northerners with the help of southern collaborators you spare no thought that a southerner even from your own stock is capable and worthy of being president I'm not disparaging the other parts of your analysis, just the bolded part |
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AjanleKoko: Sad, but there is really nothing we can do about this it's even going to be difficult for our politicians and citizens to fully grasp the whole thing...it belongs to another out of our world mental dimension In fact, any country can choose to build an artificial island in our part of the atlantic and place a couple of warheads there we won't be able to mentally relate with it. the only thing that might get us (or rather, our politicians and tribalists) upset is if a group/country are drilling oil off our coast and not sharing the money with them and the riverine tribes na then we go vex take the matter go UN and international court |
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frosbel: Interesting You probably should do some research on what SAVE actually means and then share your findings with us Questions you could mull on are: what did Adam, Abraham, David, the jews of old and the apostles understand as SAVE? Was their definition of SAVE always the same for each period in history? is SAVE as understood by them same as what a majority of us understand it to be now? I am not going to ask about what God defines SAVE as. Because there might be too much varying interpretations of it 1 Like |
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