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you are not specific at all. what's your point?

With this sort of attitude you think the world will ever be different.

look boy, it's not that i am not charitable or that i don't feel remorse for the less priviledged. i am just trying to prove a point there. and that point is that all we can do is a nickle to compare with what God can do in his omnipotence. the truth is this, if God really exists, then he is so hard hearted to create people deformed and leave them to suffer tremendous emotional and psycho-physical pains (grammar).

As a matter of fact, i am very very benevolent and i derive so much satisfaction when i put a smile on someone's face, and that is me naturally. i give even when i have not satisfied myself. sometimes My friends even  try to call me to attention whenever they notice my benevolent life style, but i can't stop because it pleases me to do so.
If God could only have my mind for one day , or moreso, if he could hand me over for just one day, you will wake up one morning and discover that there are no more beggars on the streets.

Do you know that the earth has more that enough supply of water for every single person on it? Yet so many die of thirst and dehydration.

i think that God is in the best position to answer that question.

The point is it is up to you and me to be of service to those who are less privilege. If every one that has gives a portion to those that do not then poverty and suffering will disappear.

God is in the best position to enforce that strategy. Or do you expect the whole world to wake up one morning and start given a portion of their wealth to the poor without a divine intervention? Making this earth a paradise here and right now is piece of cake to God but still------

Quit crying when you are at fault for everything. Do your bit and at least a few lives would be changed. People own charities or send aid to those in need and some of these people are not even religious, You are hear blaming God.

Grow up boy.

I am not crying, i am just trying to make you guys think critically about this concept of a God who delights in the suffering of his creations. And secondly how iam i at fault for anything at all? i have been doing my best but my best is not good enough but that won't stop me from doing my best because i can't subscribe for anything less.
Maybe you might not believe me but ever since i was young, i have nutured this dream of building one of the greatest charity homes in africa and that dream is still alive till this day. In some years to come when HOME SWEET HOME will be commissioned, u will that one ascony from nairaland forum did prophesy about it.

People own charities or send aid to those in need and some of these people are not even religious, You are hear blaming God.

i wouldn't blame God nor need to bother him  if i were omnipotent.
With God, all things are possible" so they say , then why is it so hard for him to acknowledge the cry of the less priviledged? i wouldn't do that if i could have half of his omni power.



                    IF I WERE GOD,

If I were God, I would make all dreams come true
Because all things are possible for them that trust in me
If I were God, evil will never rule
And I’ll make the hearts of men to be how I want it to be
If I were God, there’ll be no beggars on the street
Begging for money or maybe some food to eat
And there will be no sorrow, and there will be no pain
If I were God, I’ll break all of the chains. 

No matter what you and i do, we can only succeed a one percent chance of helping this less priviledged. God is the only one that can eliminate their suffering but he had refused to do so. How can he be so cruel?
Many have died in that condition and many are still gonna perish and there is nothing you can do about it. Only god in his "omnipotence" can render a final solution to this ,i.e. if he did exist.

when we say suffering, we have to look at the broad conception of it. we normally view suffering solely as those common misfortunes of everyday lives.
Now look at one category of sufffering that hurts me so much:
HAven't you realised that there are people who were born deformed talkmore of those dformed by accidents? people without legs, arms, without eyes nor even a voice to speak. Do you know how it feels to find yourself in a situaton like that? many have been born deformed and have died deformed including the so called christians and born again.
What of mental deformity, imbeciles, people who are born with their brains disorganized, how could these people ever acquire knowledge of what is good and what is bad? How can we determine the fate of these people? They are totally useless to the society, mental diseases are hardly cured, so these people live out their lives and die that way without any purpose of life.

There have also been countless stories of twin babies born with their bodies stuck together (Siamese twins) and most of these twins have died in the course of attempting to separate them.
There are many other painful cases of deformities, as we all know one or two cases around us.

I have also discovered some situations whereby these deformed people commit suicide or attempt to do so because they can no more bear the pain of stigmatization and incompleteness in their life anymore. Why should we blame them? What have they done to deserve this kind of life? So they figured out that they are better off dead than to live in sorrows and pain.

Walking across the street, you see a man on a wheel chair putting up a happy face and you think he is happy? No he is not, he is just pretending to be, deep down inside he is crying and praying, hoping that one day a miracle will come, but a miracle will never come, he will live and die deformed and there is absolutely nothing he can do about it.

We always believe that God created us all, and that everyone was created for a purpose. So tell me, in your own observation, what purpose was the deformed created? These people live out their lives and die in helplessness. That baby that dies immediately after birth, what purpose was he created? To bring pain and sadness to his parents or what? That baby that was born with neither arms nor legs, what purpose was she created? To show others that we can live without complete body parts or what?

Though once in a while, some of these deformed people learn to do something great with their lives, but the fact still remains that majority of them live and die helplessly without achieving a single purpose in life.

We are told that God created us in his own image and sometimes I wonder whether some part of God’s image is deformed. Instead, why should some of us be born deformed for no good reason and others are not? Deformity is the bitterest injustice I have discovered in this life.

"our God is good, all the time" Thus says the xtians.
There is still this portion in the bible that gives me sleepless nights and i wonder why the xtians still do not understand how vindictive and wicked this God they worship really is.
it's in the book of deut:13 6-11 and it says;

"If your brother, the son of your father or of your mother, or your son or daughter, or the
spouse whom you embrace, or your most intimate friend, tries to secretly seduce you, saying,
"Let us go and serve other gods," unknown to you or your ancestors before you, gods of the
peoples surrounding you, whether near you or far away, anywhere throughout the world, you
must not consent, you must not listen to him; you must show him no pity, you must not spare
him or conceal his guilt. No, you must kill him, your hand must strike the first blow in putting
him to death and the hands of the rest of the people following. You must stone him to death,
since he has tried to divert you from Yahweh your God, "

whenever i read those ages, i can't understand why i got involved with this God in the first place. What kind of God is this for goodness sake?

i would be delighted if anyone can help me explain the above ages COHERENTLY.

Atheism is a very complicated issue and it takes extreme reasoning to understand its concepts.

why?

atheism is complicated to u just as christianity is complcated to the buddhist. The ability to reason critically is not what everybody can develpoe easily. Religion was born out of 'faith' and faith is very simple, all u need to do is believe and its done, but atheism was born out of reason, and reason is not that simple, u have to study, research, and think very critically before any conclusions.

Quote from: Ascony
For you to understand atheism, it cannot work by typing and sending in forums just like we are doing.

why noy not?

Quote from: Ascony
finally, all i can say is that dialogue is the surest way to remedy this situation.


Dont run away o. Go and employ a typist if that will resolve it.

run away? thats the funniest thing ive ever heard. employing a typist will not resolve the matter.i think i have posted a whole lot of things that is more than enough to make u reason critically but its like u guys just read it like bla bla bla and shove it off. there was this guy INFIDEL, this guy did a great job more than i can ever do in his topic "10 reasons
why God doesnt exist yeserday, tomorrow and 4ever" . but the kind of response i saw from his debaters shows me that this is not a thing that people can understand by just reading a few threads. and this is why i said that dialogue is and will still be the best way to solve this problem. i have been nursing the idea of organising a little seminar involving some atheists and theists (christians most especially) with the topic to be something like "does God really exist?. but the risk is still what i am considering.
please i have to go now till next time, duty calls,

@cgift
Its not that i can't answer all your questions, but the problem is with u understanding my replies, even some of the questions u asked had already ben answered its just that you were not paying attention. the more i try to answer your questions the more you will ask me. and the worst it that i am very lazy when it comes to typing.
Atheism is a very complicated issue and it takes extreme reasoning to understand its concepts.
For you to understand atheism, it cannot work by typing and sending in forums just like we are doing. dialogue is the surest way. there is nothing that i can write or post here in this forum that can convince. just as there is nothing that you can that can also convince me. u are a fundamentalist christian and u can not just understand the concepts of atheism by just reading a thread in a forum(though it can be  possible for the liberal thinker). it took me almost 6months to be really convinced that there is no God even though i was the one telling it to myself. i couldnt just believe it even though the evidences were right there before my face. Therefore if it took me that long, i don't expect anybody just to believe me because i sent some few posts in a forum.
finally, all i can say is that dialogue is the surest way to remedy this situation.

@jerrymania

we or "you" wants to know everything. i think i have said everything, at least, the major point has been expressed. if u want me to start describing my whole life history. then u have to organise a press conference.

@eezzy

First of all, you must understand that Adam and Eve knew that what they were doing was wrong - why because God
had already told them that if they eat of the fruit, they would surely die.  The mistake the made was punishable by death, so it was not a small thing!

So u are trying to say that adam and eve intentionally wanted to disobey god? For goodness sake they were deceived and God in his infinite mercy did not even give them a second chance. (The fact that I am talking about adam and eve doesn’t mean that I believe in that primitive mythology, I am simply using your own belief as a point of reference)
But why is God such a prankster? He actually knew (omniscience) that adam and eve would eat this fruit and he still did not stop that incidence. Where was God when the devil was persuading Eve to eat of that forbidden fruit? They say God is everywhere, so it is quite obvious that he was aware when this whole thing was about to happen and he did not care to intervene. Does it mean that God intentionally let all this to happen? They say man would have lived forever if not for the forbidding fruit. Does it mean that he wanted man to die? If not then why didn’t he stop it?
    God has been tempting man from the very beginning up till today; he sets the rules with the oppositions and he makes the opposition stronger. He indirectly, leads us into temptation and when we fall for it, he punishes without minding.

Secondly, what a parent does affects his entire generation,

And that is a 100% injustice to humanity.

Thirdly and most important GOD took the form of man and came down to earth to remedy the foolish mistake
that Adam and Eve made, died on the cross to reconcile you back to himself. 

Upon all that, the curse of the original sin is still upon us. Whether u are a Christian or not, injustice still reigns in this world, u still suffer to make ends meet, your wife still goes through severe pains before she could deliver.etc. And ultimately, u will still die only that u are now promised a life after death which u are not even sure of. If Christ had saved us by his blood, why can’t Christians live without experiencing death at all? That way, no one, I say, no single person in this universe would hesitate to give his life to Christ.


@backslider

I know your type. You are nothing but a typical fundamentalist who would never give room to reason. I made a point that needs clarification and u are here telling me what the bible says. Is that the only thing that bible says? Read Deut 13:6-10 and see the kind of words that come out from the lips of your so called creator.

"Let me give you a little inside information about God. God likes to watch. He's a prankster. Think about it. He gives man instincts! He gives you this extraordinary gift, and then what does He do? I swear, for his own amusement, his own private, cosmic gag reel; He sets the rules in opposition. It's the goof of all time. Look but don't touch. Touch, but don't taste! Taste, don't swallow! And while you're jumpin' from one foot to the next, what is he doing? He's laughin' His sick, fuckin' ass off. He's a tight-ass! He's a sadist! He's an absentee landlord! Worship that? Never!"

                   Al Pacino (in the movie DEVIL’S ADVOCATE)

@ $$Rhino
firstly of all u did not seem not answer my question and that is because u haven't taught about very well.
I asked u why a loving father ,like God would punish his entire children just for the simple mistakes of Adam and eve? How can God be so cruel like that?
would anybody beat him if decides to ignore that simple mistake of adam and eve? is it too impossible or too dificult for him? if its not, then why We all know that they did not sin in order to disobey God. they did not even know that what they were doing was sin. they were simply decieved by the devil.
apart from all these, even if adam and eve sinned on purpose, how the hell did that concern us? it was their own problem so they should bear the cosequences alone. But now, the simple mistake of these two amateurs is the reason why we suffer a great deal of injustice in the world today. the faact still remains that no matter how much we pray and worship God, we still face the worlds injustices and die as a matter of an initial mistake that doesnt concern us in any way. please think about this critically. i think u will begin to undestand what i am driving at.

however, man has given the rulership of the world to the devil,

i wasn't part of that deal.

He wont back out on His word and force us to do what He wants,

do we have a choice but to be forced like u force ur little kids to do what u think is right for them? who in his right senses will give his children free will to go anywhere and do anything they like without forcing and cautioning them to do what would be right for them. leaving ur kids to wally away on their own is like saying " i disown u". And the worst part is still that, even though he gives us this free will to live as desired, he will still punish us (eternally) if we make a single mistake before we die.
i will tell u the simple truth my brethren, if God really exists, then it is obvious that he is very mean and wicked. worship that---never!!!!

God will not come from heaven to come and bind satan,

upon all his omnipotence?

but with the word from my mouth and yours, we could do that.

Even if u pray from generation to generation, there will still be helpless fellows and innocent children dying everyday, wars will never seize, hunger, disease, natural disasters will still remain a global problem, evil will never stop ruling. and the ultimate one, u will still die someday and maybe, just maybe a pramatured death(sorry to say that, just trying to make a point). oh! i know what u will say "even if i die today then its God's will". and that is the problem, no matter how much u fast and pray for ages, his will will still be done so whats the need of the prayers then?


NOTE: i am just putting myself in ur shoes. i neither believe in God, prayers, free will and likes like that. i am just trying to make a point using ur own words as a point of reference.

@jerrymania

Lets start from here.Ascony just one question. Can Atheism be true and at the same time false

whats the point in asking this question? why would i become an atheist if i dont believe it to be true. sure, atheism is true and cannot be false. atheism embraces reason and critcal thinking which is the sure way to arriving at truth.

@cgift

At the various periods you went evagelising, can you share with us any one of your experiences where you had to contend with evil or diabolocal powers? Have you any of such an experience?

sincerely, i was just an ordinary evangelist not pastor chris. it seems like u watch too much religious movies.

What point marked the exact turning point of your life? What occassion, or experience or act?

my brother, its a long story. it was a gradual process though. but all i can is that it all started from the bible. i began to see certain things that led me to ask certain questions that no had no reasonable. then i concluded with one answer 'something is definitely wrong somewhere'.
When I was still a Christian, I studied the bible with all my might, because I wanted to know God more and to serve him in truth and in spirit. I loved God; I trusted and believed in him, I did my best with all my heart to make sure that he is pleased with me. Sin was omitted in my life and I overcame almost every temptation of sin that came my way. My conscience alone will bear me witness of how dedicated I was to this service. I even got to the extent of preaching the gospel to my friends, relations, and people around me. My entire dream was to be a righteous man in the sight of God and man.

The bible was my best friend then, I cannot go anywhere without my bible, even when I am lying on my bed, it is under my pillow. I don’t just carry the bible around; I read it more often than any other book, I never doubted that the bible is the word of God, full of wisdom and vital knowledge.

Then one fateful morning, as I was about to pray as usual, I was reading the bible when I accidentally bumped across a portion in the bible that changed my entire perception in a twinkle of an eye. At first, I thought it was the work of the devil, to turn my mind away from God, but later, I began to realize that I was about making the greatest discovery of my life.
I respected God and I never doubted him in anything, I never said anything bad about God nor had I ever been in with anybody that does not believe in God.
All my life, I have longed for the truth and the real answers to life, I thought that God was the answer, but on that fateful morning as I read that portion, I began to give life a much more deeper thought.

It was in the book of Job21: 7. He wrote and I quote “why does God let evil men live, let them grow and prosper? They have children and grand children and live to watch them all grow up: God does not bring disaster on their homes . . . . They live out their lives in peace and quietly die without suffering”.

From that very first time that I read this portion, there was an instantaneous change in my way of thinking, a million questions flashed in my head at that very moment. I pondered over this verse throughout that whole day but couldn’t make out anything reasonable from it. I asked myself this question that Job was asking but couldn’t find any meaning answer to it.
I tried to find answers from anybody who I think might know, but no one knew the answer or gave me any reasonable explanation, everything they said did not make any sense rather it got the whole thing more complicated,
from that point onwards, i began to discover more and more contradictions in the bible than i never imagined. (i could just go on my brother but i'm not a good typist)

Where you coerced into "giving" your life to Christ?
What was propelling you at that time?

why would u ask that kind of question? who was ever forced to giving his life to christ?
i was broght up in a very good christian home by good Christian parents who trained me up in the way I should grow and never for once did I depart from it. The only thing I departed from was that I stopped believing in God just as any grown up person would stop believing that Santa Claus exists.

Finally, since you now claim there is no God, can you please tell me how the simplest cells (like an Amoeba) came ing any principle, science or anything.

nothing was created, everything that exists has been and will always be. life is nothing but a cycle of evolution. oh! u think that the amoeba cannot exist just exist without being created by God abi? then if God created the amoeba, then something must have created God, and if something must ahve created God, then something must ahve created that something that created God, and if something must have created that something-------abeg bros, i am tired of typing, i think i have made my point.

@davidylan

hmmm brother Ascony, which God are you talking about here? Where did the Christian God condemn a bastard, degrade the deformed and deliberately prevented you from hearing the same word that is given free of charge to any who would accept?

GOD CONDEMNS THE BASTARD.

It will surprise us to know that God condemns the bastard. Deutronomy23: 2 made it clear “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation”. Now tell me what a bastard had done to deserve this kind of condemnation, even though he did not make himself a bastard, why should God treat him this way?

GOD DEGRADES THE DEFORMED.

In Leviticus21: 16-23, God instructed Moses to tell Aaron the priest that no deformed man of any kind should ever come near the temple or present any sacrifices, do you know why? “That he profanes not my sanctuaries, for I the lord do sanctify them”. If God could talk this way about the deformed, then what does he expect the deformed to do? The deformed did not create himself deformed, and now, we see clearly that he is totally valueless in the sight of God. What a pity. I bet that this is not the kind of thing that anybody would like his or her child to learn in school or even in church.

GOD PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM HEARING HIS WORD.

“Make the heart of this people fat and make their ears heavy and shut their eyes . . . . Lest they understand with their heart and convert and be healed” Isaiah6: 10. This was the assignment our almighty God gave to Isaiah.
But think of it, why would God be so cruel to think of something like this? Why would he want the people he created in his own image not to hear his word and be saved? This is nothing other than personal hatred. Is this the kind of God you worship?

This is but a tip of the iceberg. (not even up to a tip).

I advice u bro, b4 u think of posting any comments in any thread, make sure u read from the very begining. i have already posted this in page 4.
so what do u have to say about this outrageous attitudes of God?

Hello guys and sorry for the long time off.

@davidylan, nwando and the rest of u believers

, i saw all your posts and really, i am highly dissappointed.
A forum is supposed to be an avenue for learning and sharing of ideas. But here u are treating atheists as if we are some aliens from another planet. Instead of making a reasonable contribution that will favor everyone including the atheists, rather, u resort to condemnation and negligence.
With this kind of attitude towards people like us, do u think that u will ever make heaven(i.e. if it all heaven exists?). God would dare not let u in because he will question u as to why didn't try to save that atheist from nairaland forum. I am not here to fight or to disprove other people's ideas, i am here so that we can reason together in order to find a lasting solution to this problem of religion. i am na atheist toady not because it is fun being an attheist, but because i have discovered many outrageous problems of religion and the concept of God that i can't just sweep under the rug. i discovered that It is far more better to accept life as it really is than to persist in delusion however satisfying and reassuring. Do u think that i don't want to go to heaven? oh! how i wish that a God did exist who loves and cares for my every need. But no matter how much i believe these things, nothing suggests to me that it is nothing more than wishful thinking and childish fantasies

I think that ur mission should be trying to understand why atheists believe what they believe regarding the fact that they once believed in what u believe but now, have changed their mind.

So don't attack me guys, i am not an enemy, i am rather the best friend u will ever have.

Therefore brethrens, if i say anything u think is way out of line , why not try and clerify my thoughts; if i say that God does not exist, backing them up with my own reasons, why not try to prove to me that God exists with your own reasons too?

I think i have made myself perfectly clear.


@KAG

Thanks for posting them, I've to it to being slightly disappointed as you did promise that they'd be "not the ones you've heard before, these ones are entirely unbelievable to be found in a HOLY BOOK". Those are kind of known.

I don't actually blame u for being disappointed in me because that post was for the xtians or the believers which i thought u were one. so please bear with me. it seems to me that u know more of the bible errors than myself. if u do, why not share some with us.
But on the other hand, even if you can posibly challenge all those bible errors that i stated in my previous post. its obvious to u and everyone who calls himself a xtian that a God that degrades the deformed, condemns that bastard, and prevents people from hearing his word, is not a God that can be trusted.

"The god of the Bible measures up to the level of a petty and vicious tyrant. The god of the bible punishes babies for the sins of their parents (Exodus 20:5, 34:7; Numbers 14:18; 2 Samuel 12:13-19); punishes people by causing them to become cannibals and eat their children (2 Kings 6:24-33, Lamentations 4:10-11); gives people bad laws, even requiring the sacrifice of their firstborn babies, so that they can be filled with horror and know that god is their lord (Ezekiel 20:25-26); causes people to believe lies so that he can send them to hell (2 Thessalonians 2:11), and many other atrocities, far too many to list here. It would not be hard to measure up to, and exceed, that level of moral purity. Atheists sur it every day."
Doug Krueger

"Wishful thinking" is all I can say.

Wishful thinking indeed. But sometimes wishes do come true and this one will definiteely come true.
Very soon, just very soon, this generation will witness the age of reason. The age when faith and religion will be abolished as if it never existed. The age when mankind will look for better ways to make life more meaningful rather than depending on some unseen deity to intervene in their circumstances.
Intellectuals all over the world are now begining to apply reason to belief systems, unlike some centuries ago when freethinking, skepticism and atheism was more like a crime.

In the earliest times of which we have definite history, everybody believed in many gods. It was the Jews who first introduced the belief in only one god. when The first commandment was new, it was very difficult to obey because the Jews had also believed that Baal and Ashtaroth and Dagon and Moloch and the rest of other gods were real gods but were rather, wicked because they helped the enemies of the Jews. The step from a belief that these gods were wicked to the belief that they did not exist was a difficult one. The jews once believed and had faith in these gods but they gradually gave them up because they realised that they were fake. sooner or later, this would be how we would also come to the realization that our present gods are also fake and would have no choice but abandon it just like the jews abandoned their former gods.

In america today, 95% of the populace are believers while just the rest 5% are either atheists, agnostics or humanists etc. Given the fact that America is about 300 million in count, the number of non believers will then be about 15 million people. Did u hear that? 15 million just in America alone? canada, australia, and many other countries in the world are also growing rapidly in the number of unbelievers. though Africa seems to be the least growing number due to the fact that this opium of religion is hooked on us and has deluded us to even forget the fact that this religion was introduced to us by this same people that are now abandoning it. But that does not change the fact that there are many atheists in Africa, its just that they are scared to come out in the open. But someday they will free themselves and come out of their closet to stand firm on their belief.
so we are coming up, and sooner or later , whether we like it or not, the age of reason shall emerge and prevail.



@ ajadrage ansd horus, keep it up guys. we shall make it someday.

@segun4god

It can be possiblem at all and it will not be possible for them
just believe that.

Shallom!

Is that for someone in particular, or are u just soliloquizing?

@said. if ur post wasn't for me, u can simply ignore this. but if it was then,

First you did not tell us the religion you are coming from

Can't u simply seee my signature?

I think ignorance is your problem

what exactly am i ignorant of, the bible? God? or what my brother?

you are so curious to know what you don't need to know at this point (DIMENSION) you are.

like?

Anyway you need urgent attention because you do not know spiritual things.

perharps u can give me the "urgent attention and teach me those "spiritual things i don't know?

That's what we are here for. if there is anything that i did not explain well, corect me by pointing out the exact things. Rather than concluding everything your own way.

Are u sure u even read my posts? Read them very carefully. u will definitely find something reasonable, Or INFIDEL can explain better for u if u start from the begining.
GOODLUCK.

Common Guys, does it mean that no one had experienced a real miracle like the ones i watch on TV?
i am now ready to take up the investigation: Show me anyone that had experienced a proper miracle like; was blind but now can see, was lame but now can walk, and all those strange ones i see on TV.
show me anyone and give me his/her information and i wil personally investigate the case and tender the results in this forum. i am dead serious about this.

@wordsmith
"horus>>kuns>>" To be sincere with u, i don't know what that means. (it sure doesn't sound positive to me) though i  might be wrong but can u help me to explain that or is KAG right?

@wordsmith and @ mrpakati

you guys will never seize to amaze me. what is wrong with all of u, a topic is raised and i tried my best to make a reasonable contribution and u call it seeking attention. By the way, what are you doing in a forum if not to help solve a problem. and that is my mission too. calling it "seeking attention" is just a way to piss me off.
if i am wrong in anything i said in my previous post, why not tell me how instead of making ridiculous gestures in order to annoy me.
well, i am not the type that gets easily anoyed by your type. anyway i don't blame u for your insolency because u feel that keeping quite would mean defeat in your own side.
we are all here to reason together in order to find reasonable solutions. isn't that what u are here for too?

I'm pathetically sorry for you and other former xtians/present atheist which presently most of you atheist are

Jerry boy, you guys amaze me sometimes. i have just clearly explained the existence of miracles and now u are sorry for me, what else do you want? read my previous post very carefully and understand my point before u throw words at me.

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Its sadening that in life you conform to an idea because something or someone drove you to a belief.

its also sadening that in life u conform to an idea just because u were born into it and everybody around u believes the same.
But let me make something clear to u my friend, nothing or anybody drove me to atheism.
it was out of my own critical thinking and observations. Before i became an atheist, i was a very good xtian,and  i don't think u will ever understand how far i went. this man writing u this letter was once an evangelist who travels from place to place preaching "the word of God". i spent most of my time either in church actvities or studying the word of God. To cut d short story short, then came a time when i coudnt believe what i preach anymore because i began to discover many unbelievable things about God, his word and religion as whole, and this was as a result of my indepth dedication in the things of God that led me to this discovery.
suprisingly, before then, i had never met any atheist, i don't even know that there are people who call themselves atheists. it was a shoker for me when i discovered that there are people like me six months after i had already became an atheist. i even thought that i was the only one that accomadates such beliefs in the whole world. Anyway, let me not bore u with the history of my atheism. just want to point out that no one made me become an atheist. it all came out of my own personal reason and criitical thinking.

The existence of a "one time true-now conflicting" Idea shows an imbalance in the system

No, it shows that man is now getting wiser.

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You are confused, and troubled.

confused, troubled, how? i made myself vividly clear. if anyone is confused, and troubled, then that MIGHT be u.

You are ready and equal to prolong an argument about what you used to believe in but now its utter rubbish

exactly the point.

You feel distrust and negative, but do you guys, if i may ask delight in evil? do you believe in evil?

now u are going way out of reasonable points. u are accusing me of things i know nothing about. distrust and negaive? by the way, do you think that atheists are evil, how's that?
Evil in my dictionary says"morally bad or wicked". and i am neither morally bad nor wicked; neither have i seen any atheist who is evil. i don't do anything that hurts my neighbour, afterall, what would gain from that? evil will only complicate ones life and also make people to hate u, and i don;t think that anybody in his right senses wants that.

What if your disbelief in the bible arose from your misunderstanding of ezekiel's vision when he saw chariots flying in the skies? you would term it impossible and illogical? what if he was in real talking about space crafts?

what if he was just imagining things or maybe ha had a high fever?

I give room to reason

if u, for one moment,would give room to reason, u will automatically become an atheist. Theism is a product of faith, while atrheism is a product of reason.

and go forward, not going backward to unite the basics of all ideas

the only way to move forward is to go backward and correct the previous mistakes.

Find a balance in your religion, understand life and know why life exist.Know why atheism can be true and also false

oh yeah, which religion are u talking about, the inbalanced, dogmatic christianity? look my brother, i have been a xtian (fulltime) and now an atheist. i have been in both worlds, and now i have reached my conclusion.

@$$Rhino

Sometimes I don’t seem to understand some kinds of reasoning? Like yours for instance.
Okay, let’s take your word that God made a choice for us and we disappointed him. (Though it sounds silly to me but let’s not waste time debating that.)
So because of that, he now had to make the worst choice on earth for us abi?
So because of this one simple mistake of Adam and Eve, God now had to punish the rest of mankind?
If one of your child does something wrong, would u punish the rest just for the sin of one?
What manner of father would do that to his beloved children?

I like to go straight to the point, though there are many angles I could attack u from.
But lets start from here.
just tell me why a loving father would punish his entire family just for the sin of one. Is that in anyway justifiable? What did we ever do to God to deserve this kind of injustice?

And then what?

@ IDINRETE
Thank you for that article from ingersoll, it was really awesome, and i don't still know why KAG wants me to show some biblical fallacies when this artcle had done everything.

@KAG
please read the above artcle by rebert ingersoll posted by IDINRETTE and u will see that i don't need to waste my time anymore.
But if u insist, i will then lay a few examples down;
The bible has been believed to be the inspired work of the “almighty God”, full of perfect wisdom and knowledge.
Despite the fact that the bible can be inspiring and educating, yet, the fact cannot be denied that this bible contains aburdities that one does not hope to find in a holy book. and it is quite surprising sometimes that most people who read the bible almost everyday, do not notice all these things.

Now let's take few instances.

 Isaiah 6:1-5, Isaiah said, “ I saw the lord sitting upon a throne, high and lifted up . . . .for mine eyes have seen the lord” but john 1:18 said a different thing. “No man hath seen God at anytime”.
Maybe Isaiah was lying about what he saw or maybe John does not know what he is talking about.

 In Mattew7: 21, it says “Not everyone that says unto me lord, lord shall enter into the kingdom of heaven” compare this verse to Romans 10:13 which says, “For whosoever shall call upon the name of the Lord shall be saved”. So which one do we accept here, the first or the later?

 Christians always agree that God is omni science, which implies that God knows everything, even acts1: 24 makes it clear “ . . . thou lord which knowest the hearts of men . . .” but if you compare this to deutronomy8: 2, you will see a different thing. “ . . . The lord thy God led thee these forty years in the wilderness . . . to know what was in thy heart”

How can God know the hearts of all men and still, he led the Israelites in the wilderness for forty years just to know what was in their hearts? I think that someone is trying to take someone for a ride here.

 GOD CONDEMNS THE BASTARD.

It will surprise us to know that God condemns the bastard. Deutronomy23: 2 made it clear “A bastard shall not enter into the congregation of the lord; even to his tenth generation shall he not enter into the congregation”. Now tell me what a bastard had done to deserve this kind of condemnation, even though he did not make himself a bastard, why should God treat him this way?


 GOD DEGRADES THE DEFORMED.

In Leviticus21: 16-23, God instructed Moses to tell Aaron the priest that no deformed man of any kind should ever come near the temple or present any sacrifices, do you know why? “That he profanes not my sanctuaries, for I the lord do sanctify them”. If God could talk this way about the deformed, then what does he expect the deformed to do? The deformed did not create himself deformed, and now, we see clearly that he is totally valueless in the sight of God. What a pity. I bet that this is not the kind of thing that anybody would like his or her child to learn in school or even in church.

 GOD PREVENTS PEOPLE FROM HEARING HIS WORD.

“Make the heart of this people fat and make their ears heavy and shut their eyes . . . . Lest they understand with their heart and convert and be healed” Isaiah6: 10. This was the assignment our almighty God gave to Isaiah.
But think of it, why would God be so cruel to think of something like this? Why would he want the people he created in his own image not to hear his word and be saved? This is nothing other than personal hatred. Is this the kind of God you worship?

This is but a tip of the iceberg. (not even up to a tip).

@lifetdone

Baby girl, i guess u mean DANGER IN OUR SOCIETY, am i right?
But let me tell u one thing, the only danger i see here is the one that religion poses on mankind, religion took away reason and gave us faith, and faith my sister, is a fraud. to live all ur life believing in a being that does not even exist is the greatest fraud i can ever imagine.
I would like u to go back home, study ur religion very well with an open mind rather than ur so called faith. And u will definitely discover that something is wrong somewhere; The inadequacy of the bible, the contradictions of the stories and even the laws of God, and not forgeting the many atrocities of God in the bible.
Infact, on a general note, the bible is one of the main reason for all these problems because it turned everything upside down. And if baffles me today that majority of the xtians non next to nothing about this bible they carry around so ionately. including our so called men of God.
If u think u don't know what i mean, ask me and i will lay down details.
There is nothing wrong in critically examining the claims of the unbelievers and getting to the root of the matter rather than ignoring the whole thing as if there is no sense in it.
There are lots of senses in what we preach only if you can open ur mind and study them for urself, and i think that infidel had done a great job on this post.
Just take a few minutes and read this post from the begining and examine his claims rather than dishing it out in the bin. Lets face the fact my sister, God does not exist whether u believe it or not, he is just a making of our imaginations.
Out of hopelessness and the lack of the understanding of the mysteries of this life, our ancestors had no choice but to invent the concept of God in order to give hope and meaning to life, and bingo, it worked. But think about this, of what use is this hope when it is just an illusory hope that makes us believe things that are unreasonable and untrue? Of what use is this hope when the principles surrounding it are outrageously contradictory and absurd?
any way, let me stop here for now, just read this post from the begining and u will definitely fish out some senses in what we preach.

I'M ALSO USING THIS MEDIUM TO CALL OUT FOR INFIDEL, PLEASE COME BACK BRO.

[/quote]perhaps u want to take this up with the muslims. There are numerous instances in the bible where prophets, kings and disciples openly questioned God's motives. Moses, Jonah, Gideon, Philip . . . the list goes on.

The God of the bible can certainly be questioned - HE says in Isaiah 1:18 "Come now, and let us have an argument together . . ."

No where did He say Thou shalt not question thy God. [quote]

i wasn't  quoting the bible, if i was, i would have signified the exact portion in the bible where it is said.
my objective in this post is to know why believers normally resort to the idea of "you shouldn't question god" when on the other hand, his characters are obviously questionable.
Anyway, i'll go straight to the point because i won't like to bore anyone with lenghty pages.

If you think that we can question God, just answer me this one simple question(because God must have given u the answer since u can question him).
its the same question that we have been asking over and over.

WHY DID GOD CREAT EVIL? IF HE DIDN'T, THEN WHO DID?     

There are many questions to ask, but lets just start with this, i dont need to elaborate much on that because u know what i mean perfectly, and  I want u to be as coherent as possible.
And mind u, There is no need to start beating about and trying to come up with the same ol' stuffs, its a simple question and requires a simple answer.

Whenever critics try to debate with fundamentalists, it normally ends up with THOU SHALL NOT QUESTION THY GOD. But why won't i question God when his attributes and characters are obviously questionable?
if God's characters are sraightforward and simple, who would dare to question him?

@INFIDEL

agrrrrrrrrrrr!!!!!
i am bitting my fingers so hard in regret because i am just seeing this post for the first time now. and i wish i would have participated but its of no use now that infidel is no where to be found. Thumbs up to you brother, you are really doing a great job to promote freethought and critical thinking.
i really ired the way you were hitting those fundamentalists that would never accept defeat. but all the same, it is obvious that you really gave them a very hard time. i love you men and keep it up. i never knew that people like you exists in naija.

please, please, please, i want to hear from again, infact, if possible send me an email(i know u wont like to display yours) i would like to know u better so that we can talk real business. view my profile for my email.
please dont fail me INFIDEL.

Gees how did you know him? you are one telepathic son of a b****.
Robert Green Ingersoll is my mentor and i ire him alot. his image was the wallpaper on my pc before i changed it to thomas Paine.

some of his quotes remains my favourites till date. i'm sure u know may know some;

"The inspiration of the Bible depends on the ignorance of the person who reads it."
                             
"The universe is all the God there is."

"If I owe Smith ten dollars and God forgives me, that doesn't pay Smith."

"Few nations have been so poor as to have but one god. Gods were made so easily, and the raw material cost so little, that generally the god market was fairly glutted and heaven crammed with these phantoms."

and so on, and so on, and so on.

do you know Robert well, please tell me more?

below is the image of the great mind we are talking about.


adios amigo.