NewStats: 3,261,604 , 8,174,475 topics. Date: Thursday, 29 May 2025 at 06:23 PM 4b2d2q

Kenya nor get problem.

If they had no fuel or cannot access banknotes, they won't even see a naked woman much less sleeveless.

bundarina:


The problem is people think there's a problem with Tribalism. That's a problem with adopting words void of true meaning. Bigotry and prejudice is a problem, Tribalism is not. What we call Tribalism is sometimes ethnic patrotism, which is as relevant, if not more, than nationalism or country patrotism.

It should not be confused for bigotry like something like refusing to serve someone from another Ethnicity at a restaurant, something which doesn't even happen in Nigeria. The problem with Biafra is that is another Nigeria 2.0 for the South East and South South. If it was an ethnic Igbo struggle, it would have made sense. But many Ijaw, Efik, Uhrobo, etc fought against Biafra. One Ijaw general wanted something called Naija-Delta republic but was blocked and jailed by Ojukwu.

An ethnic Igbo struggle for Biafra makes more sense, Like Yoruba Nation struggle is just for a nation of Yoruba land and Yoruba descents and linages. All three languages should be official languages in Nigeria, on paper. All regions should be free to conduct politics and most media in their Language of the region.

It's good how the Yoruba have a thriving native language movie industry speaking Yoruba, the Hausas/other Northerns who speak Hausa have their own native language speaking Industry that's ed by them too. I've seen some Igbo native language films it's few and underdeveloped compared to those two above. Instead some movies that should be Igbo to captivate the essence are speaking English or Pidgin. Meanwhile we all have generally Nollywood with English that should be enough. The minorities hardly have a native language industry though we have the funds for them. I've seen some Efik language films but it's few and not a centralized industry. That's not a good phenomenon. Nigeria and the disorganizedness of it should not disorganize you and your true essence.

There's no purpose throwing what makes you special for maintaining a Nigeria. Let's not talk about the potential this forever developing nation could be with proper prioritization. The elites are the only ones enjoying this contraption and not seeing the problem. If everyone is free to organize how they feel, resources would go round better, Nigerians as a whole would even be more creative.

Well, those that want nothing to do with other races will also call it racial patriotism. Apartheid Govt in South Africa didn't see itself as racist.

To somehow dismiss tribalism and its twin bother nepotism as it pervades the Nigerian firmament to is ignore reality.

Tribalism/nepotism and corruption are two of our biggest problems.

Nobody is saying a Yorubaman should wear Isiagwu and eat akpu and ofe Owerri/onugbu during Ileya or Osun Osogbo festival. And nobody expects Igbo to eat ewedu and amala to celebrate Ofala festival just to prove a point.
People should value and celebrate their culture.

No country with 200 tribes has succeeded in building a cohesive country in history. Egyptian, Persian, Roman, British Empires and all eventually collapsed. Nigeria has not made any step towards making all the tribes becoming closer. It is the last country that can make it work as it is now.

If anything, every tribe is trying to show just how different they are from another tribe. In the hope of getting more access to national cake at the centre.

That said, there still some minorities native to SW, although some SW people prefer to not see that. So even SW/Oduduwa will not be entirely homogeneous.

Before Biafra war broke out, perhaps the negotiation should have been where Biafra borders should be, not whether should exist. The war may have been prevented. A plebiscite could have determined that. All of SS was not under Biafra. Midwest/Edo/Dela were not in Biafra but are now SS. Has an average Nigerian benefited from keeping Biafra in Nigeria? Would an average be worse off now if Biafra had left?

Would an average Yorubaman be worse of if Oduduwa Republic had been declared along side Biafra? To me, Oduduwa with
Awo as president would have become a model of modernity for Africa. Biafra would be a factory supplying high tech goods to the world by now.

So right now, without proper decentralisation, collapse is inevitable. Our elites have villas in Malibu, London, Potomac, Monaco, Marbella, etc. They will flee abroad and watch the masses fight each other to a standstill and return to rule again.

, part of Eastern Nigeria voted to Cameroon before Biafra war. They are now in Cameroon.

The fact is, nobody is happy except the elites. The time will come, perhaps sooner than people think, people will be pushed too far and blow up in our faces.

Well those who defended themselves against colonisation or fought Biafra war or other agitators saw what you are seeing now.

Nobody aside the elites benefits from current Nigerian arrangement.
Imagine Yoruba is an official language along English. More cohesion and better national identity. Same in East and North.

Gradually more people will see that a forced contraption with variously intuitively tribalists people is no recipe for making a great nation.

No matter how long the elites sponsor the charade, the chicken will come home to roost one day.

Happy Queen Iden Day to Benin, Edo people, their descendants, friends and well-wishers across the world!

Before Oyinbo came, we were not wearing plantain leaves.

We had our heroes and heroines since long ago.

Samuk
Automaticmotors
Gregyboy
Edeyoung

samuk:


Even if we were to calculate from your agreed date of Benin domination, late 1400s to 1897 is still over 400 years, is this what you called short lived. This was the same period Rome colonised Britain.

Benin didn't fall or was defeated by any of her neighbours. Benin only fell to Britain in 1897. All problems Benin had were internal, princes fighting themselves.

1. By early 1500s Benin defeated Ida

2. Between 1550 to 1600s Benin was in charge of Lagos.

3. By 1818 Benin supplied guns to yoruba people to fight themselves in Kiriji war.

4. By 1824, the Alaafin of Oyo told the British that he has sent for help from the Oba of Benin to send troops to help the Alaafin defeat his yoruba neighbours.

5. In 1897 Benin fell to the British.

1-Fact

Also:
2-And remained technically so until 1861 when Dosunmu fully ceded Lagos to Queen Victoria. Yes, Benin influence had waned since 1851.

3-Same year Oba Osemwende sacked Akure colony

4-Same year Benin Empire became one of the first countries to officially recognise Brazillian independence, alongside USA and Argentina. Not least because of Prince Pedro of Braganza/Portugal, Regent of Brazil. Benin had good ancient ties with Portugal. Unlike the sneaky British.

5-Fact

samuk:


I agree with the bolded, Oba Ewuare must have been much younger and energetic to be able to achieve all he achieved, unless the dates of reigns of the other oba before him are not as accurate as recorded. It's also possible he was a grandson of Oba Ohen. Before his reign, the throne rotated amongst brothers, Oba Ewuare have to fight Oba Uwaifiokun his junior brother who usurped the throne.

Toh! We need to be having history graduates in Benin coming up to seek funding to research these things further.
The time frames before Ewuare's reigns were always going to be estimates at best. Before the Portuguese came.
I see no reason why teams of 4 to 10 diasporans cannot conveniently sponsor a PG student each for 2 to 5 years at Uniben or AAU to research these things. Each thesis or dissertation at the end would be made available openly.

As of today, there is not even a library the size of a 3 bedroom bungalow in Benin dedicated to Benin history that everyone can visit. I stand to be corrected. If I didn't have access to books when growing up, I might not have become interested in Benin history.

Books written are unavailable or out of print. You wonder if those books were even meant to be read. There is one book I have wanted to buy for like 10 years. It is available in one place but na story dey follow am since.

samuk:


The history says Ohen was the father of Ewuare the first, considering the gap between their reigns I have some reservations, can you possibly comment.

This is where more scholarship is needed. I didn't want to go into it.

Between Ohen and Ewuare were Oba Egbeka, Orobiru and Uwaifiokun. Egbeka and Orobiru reigned for decades, over 30 years each. Ohen's reign ended about 1366 and Ewuare's own began in about 1440. Even if Ewuare was born in 1366 or even posthumously in 1367, he would have been at least 73 years when he became king. And he reigned for over 30 years too. Unlikely. There is no record that Ewuare was an infant or yet unborn to a pregnant queen when Ohen ed his ancestors. The gap may not be exactly up to 100 years but how old was Ewuare when Ohen's reign ended?

In the days without anti-biotics, hardly clean water and high mortality rate, the gap is big.
Ewuare may well have been a grandchild of Ohen.

Not much was said, the chief prayed through who he called the ancestors of Ugbowo, he said the ancestors of that area of Benin was called Owo. I have also heard that in the past that Ugbo-Owo was a farm that belong to Owo, I guess they have some connections with Owo in the past. The chief also sang a song that referenced both a male and female Owo. It was brief. The video in on Dan Iyanji YouTube page, I will see If I can post the link.





As I expected. He was too modest to say that the Owo people in question were his maternal royal ancestors.
Paternally, his granddad istered Benin during the inter-regnum alongside Obaseki, Osula, etc. Again with an Obaseki over 100 years on.

A respected palace chief in his own right.

One of the most ancient and noblest descendants in Benin.

samuk:


The chief that welcomed Obaseki few days ago when he went to commission the street lights from Iyaro to Uniben main gate d[b]id give a brief history of Ugbo-Owo. B[/b]enin is full of history.

Any more details about who and what was said? To compare with what I have. Though I can imagine the likely person.

samuk:


Also don't forget Oba Ewuare 1 was formerly known as Prince Ogun, can you see why Lamogun will appeal to him after he became Oba Ewuare.

Oba Ewuare completely revolutionised Benin and changed many things including line of successions from brothers to anointed sons, usually firstly sons/heirs, changed name of the city to Edo, deified Emotan with the promulgation that every funeral processions visit her shrine to pay respect, a tradition that lasted until recently.

He also expanded the kingdom. Oba Ewuare 1 is regarded as the greatest Oba of Benin. Hence the name Oba Ewuare the great.

Very true. Ewuare, Ozolua, Esigie, Orhogbua and Ehengbuda are the five warrior kings and empire builders.
Our people in Eastern Yorubaland trace their move to these Obas. Especially Ozolua and Esigie.

But Oba Ewedo set the tone for the stability and safety at home (moats/ramparts building commencement), power consolidation and centralisation that a couple of centuries later Ewuare took to the next level.

As for Lamogun, I have had this debate that many in direct Oba dynasty line took the Lamogun greeting, even those relatives not born directly by Ewuare but related paternally. In the same way everybody became Edo after Oba Ewuare's pronouncement.

Most publications do not make a distinction in greeting between pre-Ewuare royals or his direct descendants afterwards. After Lamogun began.

Wow! Oba Ohen's fate was most tragic. With the Iyase saga.

Perhaps, with the roughly a century between Ohen and Ewuare, Ohen descendants may have decided to diverge totally.

Any family history/stories of how the tragic end affected Ohen's direct descendants in the immediate aftermath?

samuk:


As I read your reply, history of the famous Lagos Street in Benin City, including history of the mosque at the beginning of Street by Ring Road came to mind.

Toh! I have written about Eleko Kosoko's son who returned to Benin after Kosoko was in exile in Epe in other threads on NL in the past.

The land of the mosque at Lagos street was a gift from the Oba.

They still invite Oba of Benin to key events.

Oba Erediuwa was named Solomon because of that Mosque.

In 1923, Oba Eweka II was invited to one such event. Oba sent the the Crown prince who became Oba Akenzua later. His son was only a few days old. In trying to convert the Crown Prince, the Imam gave him Suleiman as his name.

The Prince could not accept but reiterated that his new baby boy would be called Solomon, a Christian equivalent and same wise king Solomon in the Bible. Because he said he had a Bible and had read the story but didn't know about exact story of Suleiman in the Quran.

Ologbo147:
Sir what is your clan? Are you an Edo man from Ondo state? What are the Bini communities in Ondo state? I have been willing to learn about them. How much of intelligibility do they have with central Bini?

My brother, saying more than I have already said would be like posting my pic and full name.

There are some who know me. But they don't know that I know they know me. I have had some funny responses related to my posts from some people in real life.

Well, I have mentioned before that Benin is a diverse place. I also mentioned that Usen and Utese are not the only so-called "Yoruboid" places. For good reasons,
Some of us are living products of Benin Empire.

In times past, if Benin gained a new territory, through conquest, previously migrated descendants seeking closer ties, and so on, Oba would send ambassadors, a new ruler or some other representative as adequate. If it was conquest, and the ruler killed, the crown prince, especially if only a boy, may be sent to Oba Palace for training. In reality that means indoctrination and
Beninization. There may be Oba rep/ambassador and local chiefs managing that land in the meantime.

If the prince turns out to be a fine young man, fully Beninized, he might bag himself a princess, Oba's daughter, daughter of Oba's brother/sister or daughter of a high ranking Benin nobleman.

He returns to his throne with a Benin princess as his queen. The next generation there might have Benin grandad who may even have been Oba of Benin or still even reigning.

Now the royal ambassador/prince may have had kids in the territory too. If the ambassador was a prince, his kids might return to Benin 50 years later. Where will they go? To the palace. It doesn't matter which Oba is in power by then, the Oba will want to settle his royal relatives because history of their move to the colony is well known.

One way to settle them is to be made a duke somewhere in Benin area, especially if they have returned in dozens or more. Perhaps with wives, in-laws and servants of that other tribe of the colony.

Now, the Beniness and royalty of the returnee is not in doubt, but they have also picked up the other culture (or wives/followers of non-Benin culture) to enrich the already rich Benin culture in their new settlement. They also used their dual culture and privilege in ancient times to trade easily between Benin and swathes of Yorubaland as they could use their links with royal families on both sides.

This is the closest analogy I can give.

If you "waka" enough within Edo, you will be surprised. My visits to Orhionmwon villages as a kid made me to see what I would have not thought was part of Benin culture looking at it from Benin-City.

I have met countless people in Eastern Yorubaland who say their great grandmother or great great grandfather came from Benin but they don't know the compound anymore. Entire towns claim Benin origin. But they don't speak Benin. Though their dialects and culture obviously reflect Benin influence.

Part of Idoani and Ekue-Uhuen are considered Edoid in Ondo State.

RedboneSmith:


Can I ask you a small question? I was recently speaking with a man from Umoghun n'Okhua, and he said their greeting is Lamogun. I was under the impression that this greeting was exclusive to the Oba's family in Benin.

Are their non-Ọba lineages, especially in Iyekorhionmwon that use Lamogun?

All Lamogun greeters descended from an Oba at one point or the other. Since Oba Eweka 1. One reason you see them across all of Edo South and beyond is that some may have been descendants of dukes sent to rule various parts of Edo land. Most dukes were princes and in the past few hundred years, exclusively princes. However, for some, their connection may lie too far in the past to know their exact royal ancestor but most will know which Oba they descended from.

There is no provision to give up Lamogun just because you were royally related too long ago. You keep your salutation in perpetuity unless female and married. You then follow your hubby's own.

Morning salutation or lineage is something every Benin person is proud of and won't relinquish it for any another salutation unless married females.

Some ancient dukes were not paternally related to Ogiso or Oba dynasty or were notable warriors or otherwise performed great deeds for the kingdom and may therefore have own unique lineage greeting granted them.

Edeyoung:



Incoherent gibberish them dey smoke weed for that ogun state wey u dey abi


Benins supplied weapons to the yorubas during the yoruba Civil War that is a known fact the issues with you yorubas is you guys shy away from reading your own history and the few who does don't always read with an open mind and as such you guys will always misyarn at the end of the day

I will advise you to go and read the works of Samuel Johnson the history of yoruba for more insight, smj personally witnessed the yoruba Civil War and how benins supplied weapons to the yorubas to kill themselves so try not to overbloat yourself

There was nothing like ogiso it has always been oba, ogiso were mythical discussions that were influenced by portoguese missionaries who asked the benins in the past if they also believed on sky king too like Jesus

Our people from the other side are good people but some of them can talk from both sides of their mouth.
If it is politically expedient they will use "pseudo-intellectualism" to try to obfuscate others. Imagine if an Ijaw or Igbo man is boasting of single-handedly bringing the calamity of APC upon us since almost 8 years, Falana and the most educated among them will be protesting all over Abuja and Lagos by now. Like during GEJ subsidy protest.

They can see truth koro koro and still use ethno-political expediency to ignore it totally. Truth to them is what they want to impose on others for the bigger political grand scheme. History, religion, truth and all are not spared if that is what it takes.

That toga of unreliability of principles that they believe means smartness or being manipulative doesn't sit well with people like Edo. Igbos have the same issues with them.

At individual level especially in Eastern Yorubaland, they are much more honest.

samuk:


In the last thirty years alone Benin traditions have changed so much that future generations of Benin who are not very well informed on Benin history will think Benin was invaded and conquered at this period of her history.

Burial ceremony is now three days (possibly for religious (Christian) reasons and costs) instead of the seven/fourteen days depending on the personality involved. Several aspects of it has also be replaced with service of songs. Traditions such as Isoton, Izakue, isuerha-fua and E'ruan are all gone in the general population except in the palace.

The diaspora celebrates Igue festival more than our people in Benin city. Most of our people no longer worship in the traditional way.

As usual the palace have find a way to incorporate the dominant Christian religion into its activities in a controlled way through Holy Arosa which the Oba heads. This is what makes the Benin traditional institution unique and why they are still here after centuries of existence. They keep evolving.

Absolutely. When in 9ja, I feel totally out of touch. Like an ancestor resurrected from 100 years back.
Those who do not understand history of Christianity want to be more Christian than the Pope.

At the bolded, burials in my clan is slightly different from general Benin pattern of burial. I guess Ogbe people would be able to relate if they witnessed it. The committal to mother earth is a much more elaborate process. Still, aspects like Isoton, Izakhue and others come in fully too. But I was flabbergasted by how much of the general stuff have been left out. They made one look like one archaic person like that. That is what they think modernity means: to totally jettison one's culture in favour of another race's culture. Yes, culture evolves. If our ancestors went about evolution the way people doing now, Lamogun, Laidu, Lavbieze and other salutations would be gone. Now they say Laijesu.

Soon you will be hearing LaBuddha, LaShinto, LaConfucius, LaShiva, LaKrishna and La anything foreign. I can't put it past our people these days.


Well, to me, I don't think it's too much for parents to expect the rites they performed for their own parents to be done for them when they bow out one day. If you are not lucky to be the senior child, others will largely decide the burial plans and nothing much you can do.

With burials, family/Egbe are now focussing too much on how much food/drink/rice/money they can get in the shortest possible time than performing all the rites for the departed. Too bad.

AutomaticMotors:
Boss I just came across this video of Adviser nowamagbe performing in Agbor, I know Agbor people are Ediod but do they understand Benin dialect? because this their enjoyment and rocking to his Benin songs really shows this people are deep into His/Edo music.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iKdYNfPDlno

AreaFada2

Well, in this era, one must let people identify themselves as they want.

I have met people. Let me call them Dr Omoregbe, Dr Aigbe, Mrs Osifo and being away from home, you naturally gravitate to ask if they are Edo. And then you hear them say they are from Agbor/Delta.

Well, those surnames couldn't just have appeared by coincidence. There are clearly Edoid people among them. what Ajayi Crowder wrote when he was in Asaba. That they were Edo people but increasingly diluted by Igbo from across the Niger?
Is such totally unimaginable about Agbor? Zik of Africa's book also gave some insights.

Having said that, music is a universal language. The celebrants may well have been born and bred in Benin or partly Benin. I can't count how many Agbor people I knew in Benin that lived all their life in Benin. In fact, back in the day in diaspora, we were simply Bendelites. Anioma people felt closer to me than Igbo across the Niger. That was how we related. I could not really relate to Edo and Delta dichotomy for a long time, because it wasn't a reality I lived. But we are used to it now.

Like I always say, we will all continue to diverge. A point may come when if Ozanogogo find their bread better buttered elsewhere, they might claim not to be Edo anymore.

LastProphet:


Who still disgraced Armstrong? Was it a black man? Stop thinking backwards like outdated people. Caster Semenya post his picture here let's see if he's a girl

You are talking as if you understand doping protocol or human body/pharmacology/genetics/endocrinology more than others.

Why was Armstrong suddenly producing such exceptional performances after his cancer treatment? No eyebrows raised? Why did Armstrong get away with autologous doping for so long? Yes, it's a bit more difficult to detect than old fashioned EPO but still not rocket science. Why did UCI gleefully accept doping detection equipment from Armstrong?

How did the suspicious nature of his Team training and choice of race to run not arouse suspicion?

By the way, the doping was so common that nobody dared to flag it off as it would have implicated too many. Whether EPO or autologous.
I saw Armstrong's race by the way and it was impressive. Almost super human. Yes, it was only the last phase but still.

Would a black person have produced such performances and got away with it for so long? I Ben Johnson and others being caught promptly. I also Johnson and manager saying that doping was a normal thing across the board. That was in 1988.

I posted my opinion and the next thing you did is just attack? So that's your idea of a jet-age black man? Wow! Kudos.

FYI, I was educated alongside oyinbo and never let anybody's shenanigans bother me. I wonder why you believe you somehow know it better than other people.

Anyway, it's a faceless forum and anyone can show their uncouth or refined attitude freely. Nemo dat quod non habet.

Oyinbo sha must find one thing. Make dudu athletes dey dey careful.

And their own go escape it for like 20 years first like that Armstrong cyclist of a guy.

If dem nor see anything dem go say the female body too be like man own. Like that Caster Semenya lady from SA.

I used to be in the environment of one the few internationally designated doping test facilities. Not saying the results are fake.

uckennety:



All this benin autonomous communities should go and sit down!

Haba! not nice na. Urhobo people have done well for themselves in their "new" abode. I know that most Urhobo people are proud of their heritage and links with Benin/Edo. But they have an Urhobo identity now and we should all respect that. It is up to various people to decide how to relate with their kilt and kin from the past.

AutomaticMotors:

I like this insight inside Egharevba's actions I understand now his frame of mind at that time, do you have any info about his later years and his offsprings? I want to also ask you something tho unrelated how did Ohenhen die (heard accident)? And did he have any kids? And abeg " Atiti nu go " na actual woman ?

I know Egharevba has family in Benin but I am not familiar with them today. Unless I ask a relative who knew him quite well in Benin literary circle back then.

I am not familiar with who Atiti is or was.
I was already in diaspora when I heard that Ohenhen died. No idea how he died.

Olu317:
Ekerlederan died in Ugotton or ughotto or gwatto. His descendants are in succession chief (leader) of Ughotton.

Ekarledaran descendant met the Portuguese who came to Ughotto and to meet Oba Bini in 1485/86. This is well documented in European in West Africa.So, it's no ludicrous but candid fact.

So, Ekarledaran founded and died in Ughotto. His descendants are still there till tomorrow. Infact, a son of Edo land did research on the port history in Bini kingdom.

It was you who even did the autopsy. Weh don o oga pathologist.

Automaticmotor
Davidnazee
Gregyboy
Samuk

AutomaticMotors:


Thanks boss I would watch the movie, about Egharevba what was he thinking writing all those lies and misinformation about Benin Empire in his books?

Just a bit more on Dr Eghareba. His book in hindsight could have been better researched but what resources did he have to do so? Until success of that 1934 book he had little money. It was even Oba Eweka II and his own tenacity that helped him. By the time he was 10, his Benin father had already died.

For a guy who was born and bred in Yorubaland for the first 20 years of his life, he would have been much influenced by the narrative of Samuel Johnson that gradually permeated SW by second half of the 20th century. His mum was Yoruba or at least partly Yoruba. After fall of Benin Empire, former vassals there would have finally felt free to bouth their exiled overlord. Eastern Youbaland where he was born still had many Benin people living and trading to and from there. Like Egharevba's merchant family. I can relate with it.

I heard s growing up as a kid of some of our folks who used their privileged position to trade from Eastern Yorubaland through present day Osun to Illorin, Lokoja and beyond. Then also back to Benin. Beads, corals of all types, gold, scents and Aso-oke were some of the important commodities then.

When his family moved to Western Yorubaland/Ibadan and Oba Ovonramwen was by now in exile, he heard largely negative stereotypes about Benin. I don't believe the Europeans would have done much to make things better. The British gleefully reported what they call "barbaric practices" in Benin upon invading, looting and burning it down just years earlier. Such as the possible heads of Ogioboro and Deji Arakale they found on the alter. The British had to justify their heinous act in Benin.

It was a good coincidence that Egharevba had arrived in Benin, a full grown young man by early 1914. Just early enough to witness the Evbinekhua and later the coronation of Oba Eweka II. Although the coronation was only a fraction of the pomp and splendour of previous ones, the grandeur, colourfulness, vibrancy and sheer display of culture totally blew the young man Eghareva away. He was hooked on researching this culture. There were hardly any major literary Benin Sources. He was convinced that all the negativity about Benin he heard growing up outside Edo land was due to ignorance (and envy, I might add).
If you look at the several editions of his book from 1934 to 1960s, there were quite some differences in some narratives, obviously as he did more research.

For a guy who didn't grow up in Benin to have been writing books/stories in Benin language by 1920s that he later gathered to become the book we now know in its English version is no mean feat. He was already in his 20s when he obtained his primary school certificate in Benin. The way his early education was truncated by his father's death, a less determined person would have given up.

AutomaticMotors:


You think you can come here and throw insults and Diatribes on people that have dedicated years and time for the Edo Cause on nairaland, People such as AreaFada2 that have earned legend status in this parts and go Scott free? Because you feel this is a faceless blog? Uhundan I must find you !!!!

My brother, don't bother. Do not stoop so low.

Already you can see that anybody related in anyway to the palace or Oba dynasty would automatically earn his hatred.

Our people on the other side would say : À ń pe gbẹ́nàgbẹ́nà ẹyẹ àkókó ń yọjú

Sadly, when a serious discussion is to be had, anyone can show up on a faceless forum and feign Albert Einstein.

Rikze:



Public Office holders and their relatives would have killed this country if it were a human.

But is the country currently hale and hearty? The answer is obvious.

The country is on life already.

AutomaticMotors:


Thanks boss I would watch the movie, about Egharevba what was he thinking writing all those lies and misinformation about Benin Empire in his books?

Well, Egharevba had no major local Benin literary source to draw on. , it was only 20 years after restoration of the monarchy when he first wrote. 20 years since 9ja was amalgamated. These might appear unrelated but that spinning a web to first unite Benin and SW among Southern protectorate was vital beforehand. Benin history that was well documented centuries before SW history was vital to Yoruba. Since if Benin and Ife are related through Oranmiyan/Oduduwa, by extension Benin history would also become part of Yoruba history, as Yoruba was missing early documentation.

Ask yourself as well-travelled and versatile Ajayi Crowder was, how did he totally miss Benin-Ife link? Something that would be so central at the time if it was true? But commented on Asaba that they were Benin people?

Alaafin also totally missed Benin-Ife link tales in the 1820s? Since if the link existed and Oranyan left Benin to found Oyo as now purported, it would have been vital for Alaafin to mention it in 1820s.

Oba of Benin totally missed something that would be so vital in the 1840s?

davidnazee:


You are so pained lol.. no worry your pains just dey start lol..
YIt's a respect thing he was explaining. same goes for bavan vs obavan..
Once again, you remain a confused human being.

davidnazee, you sef get time o. Somebody who believes that everybody else has low IQ, can he learn from even Einstein?

Let him be.

AutomaticMotors:


Wow As I dey read am e be like Epic Hollywood movie! Thanks Boss, do you have an refferals where I can read up Edo tales such as this?

There was a Nollywood movie on it many years back starring Olu Jacobs as Ezomo. Though not exactly as the film portrayed it.


https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0FRcCgfA6Ww

Well, the stories were first moonlight stories by various elderly relatives as a kid. They were from different villages but remarkably consistently. Quite surprising how identical the stories were to ones I later saw written and read in books. Except Dr J U. Egharevba's that deviated markedly in many parts from what I heard as a kid.

Sadly, many of the books are not in print. It appears oyinbo people and foreigners have the books more in their libraries.
Though more are being written, their distribution is poor. Everybody dey go church. Many take tradition or culture as pagan. Those non-Edo pastors are taking our people from culture. Of course many of the MoGs are from envious neighbours places. I am saying what I have seen. People are reading less too.

Why people believe that anybody has anything to tell us about Christianity that we were the first to have in what is now 9ja baffles me.

AutomaticMotors:


I like to know more on this oboro topic, what is the story? It looks interesting

Adesuwa was the pretty daughter of Chief Ezomo Odia of Benin. He was one of the wealthiest men in the Empire. As a war general, he was often the first to ister newly acquired territory and control tributes coming to the palace. Also since he went on campaigns, he was often the closest to foreign territory rulers.

So one period in about 1752, Ogie Oboro visited Benin with tributes to the palace. It was his investiture as ruler/duke/Obi of Oboro/Ubuluku. He was hosted nicely by his old friend Ezomo. Now, Ezomo had already betrothed Adesua to Oba Akengbuda. Ogie Oboro couldn't take his eyes off pretty Adesua but he was warned that she will soon be Oba's bride.

Ogie Oboro devised a way to lure Adesuwa to Oboro, today in Delta. The babe at such a young age was already a very successful businesswoman. He bought goats from Adesuwa, possibly as part of his tributes. He then promised to send the money later from Oboro. He actually had no plan to pay. After Adesua waited and waited and sent messages to Oboro in vain, she went to Oboro to draw the debt. That was Ogie Oboro's plan all along.

At Oboro, the duke tried to force himself on Adesua and Adesua gave him a brain-resetting dirty slap. She told him that as a local champion, he was even below the lowest servant at Ezomo palace at Uzebu. E don tey wey Benin women dey wotoporious at dishing out fatality.

He murdered Adesua. May she continue to RIP.

Ezomo and Benin were livid. Of course, Oba demanded for his head. His head must have been among the skulls oyinbo found at alters in Benin palace in 1897.

There are many interesting figures in the battles to kill Ogie Oboro. Such as Emokpaogbe, who was son of Duke of Ugo. He had been at Oboro with an ailment and Ogio Oboro had been is physician and great mystic. He knew how to defeat the Obi. He didn't want to fight his healer but you can't refuse Oba's command. Ogie Oboro predicted years earlier that Emokpaogbe will one day come to fight him and Emokpaoge swore that he would never fight a man who healed him and taught him mysticism.

Emokpaogbe became Enogie Agboghidi of Ugo. He later fought against Benin but lost the war. He was Emokpagbe who drowned himself in what became Jamieson River to avoid capture by Benin troops led by Generals Ologbosere and Imaran of Benin.

NOTE: Several rulers today in Western Igboland bear the title "Agboghidi" or at least as part of their praise name as warrior.

Edeyoung:



No one would here you won't go far with your agenda because you can't even win us here
You accuse of a occultic reasoning which is very unreasonable of you

You can't even backup your claims with article or even old written record or substantial artefact yet you want to be heard you want us to hear you because you put oral story's together to draw stupid conclusions who does that at the age if not Ugbe

You're now revealing your agenda gradually
My question is why are you doing what you're doing, are you paid are you a yoruba man, did the benin or oba offend your people


If you're looking for the truth then you have to pay the price by dedicating your time to not just read or listen to oral history also paying for DNA testing if you have to, don't just come and say rubbish and accuse people of occultic reasoning, before you came to nairaland we have been here arguing about the authencity of of the Obaship stool and we have gotten enough insight....that our oba is a fully blooded edo

Because you saw scattered villages of yoruba settlement in benin like they are also not scattered settlement of other tribe like Itsekiri, urhobo and even ijaw around benin City you began to draw your fallacious reasoning of oromiyan from it

You assume ososomaye is a yoruba idol without no prove even fellow yorubas are not making such unfound claims only you, can't you see your desperation has made you shift away from reality

Please take yourself out of nairaland and fall back to YouTube when you're ready we will let you have your voice

AreaFada2
Samuk
Davidnazee

My brother I was replying his posts when I thought maybe AutoM and Samuk slightly misunderstood him. I like to give benefit of the doubt. My first post on this thread began with saying that we should not allow it to degenerate. So that Orhogbua/OP can get the information he seeks. Now I see that AutoM and Samuk didn't misunderstand him.

Over the years, I have heard various arguments about Edo history both online and real life. An Oboro man once told me that Benin moats were for defence against Oboro.

Ogie Oboro that Adesuwa snubbed and had to lure and murder her in the 18th century (over 500 years earlier) here. How can moats started by Oba Ewedo circa 1255 be due to Oboro/Ubuluku?

Ogie Oboro that was a village duke.

I know the agendas influenced by various neighbours.

My point is people should be brave enough to stand on the tribal side they are on. No speaking from both sides of the mouth. It is not in Benin character. I go kpai you means I go kpai you. I go help you means I go help you. Yes means yes, no means no.

davidnazee:


I feel sorry for him sha. He seeks answers but his mind his clouded with confusion and it limits his understanding..

You see, my best teachers have always little kids. I kinda envy their teachers. The piercing and spontaneous questions kids ask make me think. The top 2 to 5% brightest young adults in the population, by academic performance, that I have been privileged to mentor have not inspired me as much as kids. Because kids have no resistance to acquiring knowledge. No pretence, no ego trip.

davidnazee:


You have started fighting yourself again this early morning.. well it's a normal thing for aggrieved and self hating people to behave like you are doing now.. kpele oooo

My brother, somebody who spews all kinds of things about the palace, who be me?
Abeg pay no heed.

In enlightening and straightening distortions perpetrated since 1897/1914, you have to expect and deal with oppositions from "within" and without.

Distortions don't become a big issue until those within do it.

UGBE634:
If really know Esan history, you will know this, I left benefit of doubt for you thinking this was already common knowledge. I am 25 percent Esan and seem to know alot of these people and their history.

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Ah! We finally got there at the end. You should have said that earlier. Your arguments now make more sense. It would probably make more sense for you to create an Esan history thread to discuss how Benin people and Oba are strangers in Igodomigodo land.

Thanks and goodbye.