NewStats: 3,262,147 , 8,176,205 topics. Date: Saturday, 31 May 2025 at 11:23 PM l2l1h

Eziachi:
I warned, screamed, cajoled and shouted myself to sleep and resignation. I hate to say it that I told you so. I told that Buhari 2015 can beat Jonathan. Your response was always GEJ till something.
I warned about putting your eggs into one basket.
I warned against playing emotional politics over what is not yours.
I warned against taking pain killers for another man's headache.
You rejected the potentials of a possible Christopher Ngige or Uche Onyeaguocha as Senate Presidents for Jonathan's failed presidential bid. I do hope it works out well.
Bye for now. Eziachi

pa, its has been a while o. I have really missed your analysis. Hope all is well?

The first thing I think baba should do is to reduce the unrealistic amount going to politicians and use it to build more Jegas...... i.e pump this money into education. That should be easy for baba......... What is the first thing you think baba should do?

Rivers....1,487,075........ The results are already online

Bauchi....apc...656,646...... Quote me later

Please where can i stream the match between apc nd pdp........ Any online link? Thanks

Second half on the way as the referee, Jega. Blows the whisle. Dont forget, pdp are in red playing to the left while apc are in black playin to he right....... Lets see if apc wud come back as they are couples of goals down. No substitution yet....................................................

I thank you all for the response.

grinface98:
Buy Tecno L6 and thank me later

thanks

Emeka71:
I would advise you to purchase Tecno S9.

thanks bro

Please can some one advice me on which android phone to buy with 30 000

Nigerians have decided in #FEBUHARI that GEJ go march to otuoke....... #theGENERALmarch2asorock

Nigerians have decided in #FEBUHARI that GEJ go march to otuoke....... *naijamarch4wrd

GMBMarch2AsoRock/GEJmarch2otuoke/NAIJAMarch4wrd

February 6 is scarce jare

Not watching the match but I am sure it's a cracker. Thanks for the update Joseph.

Sowhizy:




Yea I didn't submit the slip Buh I got d txt Jez dz morning

Are you serious you didnt submit the slip? Has anyone in osun received the message?

Ifeann:


Islam is a political ideology based on totalitarianism. That is why we have oppressive Islamic countries. 2 clear examples Saudi Arabia and Iran. Christians are not even allowed in parts of Saudi. Christians and even sunnis are oppressed in Iran. The same way shia are murdered in sunni strong holds. Religious Governments don't work.

This is why there is separation of church and state because Governments and corruption go together like bread and butter.

How my country decides to deal with criminals, boko haram, invaders, attackers etc is my Governments business but I will my government as long as it does not condone or perpetuate evil. The Islamic ottoman empire perpetuated evil and killed millions of Armenians. Did other Muslims go out and help them. NO because the crime was perpetuated by an Islamic empire.
Christain charity groups have been catering for Muslims in refugee camps in the north despite fears of boko haram expansion. I wonder if Muslims would help christains if the opposite was the case.
I am tired of explaining to u. U can bring up another topic, slavery, whatever etc.

Sometimes when a statement is made you will definitely know it's either as a result of ignorance or mischief.

When Judas betrayed Jesus, it is not because Jesus did not teach him well it's because Judas has to play his part in fulfilling a destiny.

If you really know about Islam as you have claimed, then how come you missed sahih Al Bukhari book 3 hadith 80...... Abu Dawud, Atima 11; Tirmidhi, I. Hannah, 5.441. And other hadith that states the happenings when the antichrist is near.

About charity, you made it sound as if only christains do it. You asked me to read the Quran and bible, but if you have been doing that I think you will know about a verse which encourage Muslims to give out charity with the right hand such that the left hand do not know.
God knows best. Peace.

Ifeann
i may not have the privilege to reply quickly again................. I noticed that apart from calling me an hypocrite you didnt mention anything about what we were discussing b4 'slavery'. We keep jumping from topics to topics............. With my little knowlege, I think almost all the hadith has stories before the narration. And these stories are not repeated in similar narrations. The story of what happened in Qisas is in Sahih Al Bukhari Book 83, Hadith 37. I have little knowlege about the ruling on apostates............. About the verses you quoted in the last part of your posts. Well, you yourself mentioned that the Qur'an says its clear in its meaning. But perphaps you forgot that it is referring to people who reflect and people of understanding........ I think almost everyone is aware that Nigeria's constitution allows killing. But even though we may not all be aware of all the circumstances in which this is allowed, no sane Nigerian will kill for a single reason that the constitution allows it....................You clearly stated that your faith (Jesus teachings) does not politics, military. I also say, It doesnt say much about banking and some social stuffs pple engage in. Then I wonder how you Judge that military is bad against oppresion. If military is that bad, then what solution does your believe provides to a situation where your state is attacked militarily? ....................................................... Though you may not agree with all what I hace written so far. I have a suggetion::::::::::::::.::::::::::::::::::::::::::: A man shares his limited food with rodents and pests so he bought pesticides and poison . A man came to him saying, poison is bad, it could kill the little children in the house if they ingest it. He does not bother to know what the man uses it for, he kept saying repeatedly poison is bad. Dont you think it wud hav been a better idea if the man says 'use a trap instead cos its more efficient and not harmful to the babies'?..........instead of objecting and claiming, why not suggest alternatives. These would show you understand very well what you are criticising.......... God knows best and may God guide us right. Peace.

Ezibless:




Guys,like seriously?

i think the word sexy in the manner those guy have used it means that the lady looks fu.ckable and du.mpable = use and dump.

Ifeann:


So u bring this nice verse to try and counter the tens of verse I show u including the breeding of slave, rape of captives, Mohammed berating someone for freeing a slave..etc

Countinue justifying these evils.

Apparently u think I don't know Mohammed said some nice things. When Mohammed was in mecca as a "Warner" with few fellowers and warning the pagans he said a lot of nice things including the famous "there is no complusion in religion" and the infamous satanic verses to win fellowers. when he became a warrior he changed, called for his followers to slay, fight and subdue as well as rape. Its clear in your quran. Most Muslims argue "it is the historical context" that is overlooked. But I ask why is it that the quran has these ages if its words are eternal and for all times . Why doesn't your god know that one day things like slavery, paedophilia summary executions will be illegal in a modern context. Look at ISIS, they are carrying out the commands of allah to the letter. They are backing it up with the quran. Look at staunch Muslims like Anjem Choudary who have come out to say "enough is enough with the pretence and hypocrisy in Islam" the verse are clear. A slave is a slave, rape is rape. Stop looking for euphemisms and stop re-interpreting your quran.

Look at this Sahih Muslim 8:29: “IT IS PERMISSIBLE TO HAVE SEXUAL INTERCOURSE WITH A CAPTIVE WOMAN AFTER SHE IS PURIFIED (OF MENSES OR DELIVERY) IN CASE SHE HAS A HUSBAND, HER MARRIAGE IS ABROGATED AFTER SHE BECOMES CAPTIVE.”

Look at this Bukhari (62:137)- An of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval.

Read the ages yourself they are very clear. Put your self in the shoes of the captives and slaves and tell me you will be happy

In all the hadith and Qur'an verses you quoted, there is no mention of forced sex or rape. But since you claim while having intercourse is the same as while r.aping, then I fear your own version of english o. It would av been a valid discussion if what we are discussing is having sex with a slave.

I don't think it was you who gave the definition of Jesus in Islam. And the definition Islam gave to Jesus is one of the reason you don't agree with islam. The definition of prayer, God etc also differs. But here you are bringing your own definition of slaves as what islam define slave as. Probably you think they are people under chains, beaten, forced to do things againt their will etc.
I would be happy to be a slave and die a muslim under Muhammad (saw) or any of his companions.

dastranger:

You better leave that girl alone, she'll twist and reframe everything to her own understanding

Jazakumullahu Khairan bro. May God guide us all right.

Ifeann:

Here let me quote the analogy I gave which u said was "nice".

" If your city was just attacked by the Jews for whatever reason be it you attacked first even or they provoked. They kill a lot of people u know. Massive massacre and they win. And after the raid your sisters, mother, aunts and several other women who are married are rounded up and brought to the head commander.
The head commander then tells his soldiers that if their right hand possess any of the women they can have sex with them, "just fu.c k her if you captured her. ". This scenario is in ur quran and hadiths
Isn't that rape. Could any of the women just willingly allow the soldiers to have sex with them after killing their people, while their husbands are still alive and probably tied up.
Even if it was days after battle."


You said, "About the analogy you gave, thats nice. I will react to it in the context of having sex with slaves ignoring the war part. Permission to have sex with someone does mean it is a must you have sex with them. It means one can do it. And if one wants to, then it must be according to the guidelines of having sex in Islam."

And you also said this " Permission to have sex with ones wife is GRANTED in Islam, this doesn't mean the permission to rape ones wife. It simply mean you follow the procedure of having intercourse with the wife."



If you can't see how evil what you are defending is then you are absolutely brain washed. malvisguy212 can u imagine this.


How can u believe this is moral.
dastranger and mane do you agree with this.

when you mentioned: 'and probably tied up'. Then I think you dont know what a slave means in Islam. You were adding your own meaning to it.

You read an hadith about permission to have sex with slaves, you added forced sex to the hadith. Because you added it doesn't make it so. Forced sex is going beyond boundaries which is a purnisheable offence.

Sahih al Bukhari book 2, Hadith 29

Att Ar-Rabadha, I met Abu Dhar who was wearing a cloak, and his slave, too, was wearing a similar one. I asked about the reason for it. He replied, ' I abused a person by calling his mother with bad names.' The prophet (saw) said to me, 'o Abu Dhar! Did you abuse hi, by calling his mother with bad names? You still have some characteristics of ignorance. Your slaves are your brothers and Allah and has put them under your command. So, whoever has a brother under his command should feed him of what he eats and dress him of what he wears. Do not ask them (slaves) to do things beyond their capacity (power) and if you do so, then help thm.' ''

we don't even have the right to abuse them verbally talkless of forcing them to sex. Its a meaning you added to the permission.

Yazach.....
I think this trend is about Muslims. If u keep digging up those verses of the Bible, you will end up in cycle where both parties will gain nothing. Please dont play the tit for tat thing.

@ifeann.....
I am very sure our discussion started on this trend. You quoted my response here on another trend (about wife beating) like twice. I I made a comment that we are not on this trend anymore. So, I quoted your response on that trend here to bring the discussion back here. So about interpretation and translation in relation to the link you provided, I have no idea what you mean since I didnt follow the discussion from the scratch.

About the analogy you gave, thats nice. I will react to it in the context of having sex with slaves ignoring the war part. Permission to have sex with someone does mean it is a must you have sex with them. It means one can do it. And if one wants to, then it must be according to the guidelines of having sex in Islam. And out of the guidlines of having sex in Islam, rape is not there. Permission to have sex with ones wife is granted in Islam, this doesn't mean the permission to rape ones wife. It simply mean you follow the procedure of having intercourse with the wife.

Permission to kill halal animals id granted in Islam. But we dont kill them anyhow, we follow the procedure for killing animals. In short, permission to do something is not the permission to abuse it in Islam.

@ifeann

Bukhari (62:137)- An of women taken as slaves in battle by Muhammad's men after their husbands and fathers were killed. The woman were raped with Muhammad's approval.

Bukhari (34:432)- Another of females taken captive and raped with Muhammad's approval. In this case it is evident that the Muslims intend on selling the women after raping them because they are concerned about devaluing their price by impregnating them. Muhammad is asked about Reproduction interruptus.

That muslims can keep slaves....... Yes.
That muslims can have sex with them....... Yes
But I wonder how you read those hadiths and arrived at rape.
I think it will be better for you to post the hadith instead of your own summary.

Ifeann:


I have made no claims, I have only provided you with the actions of your prophet in the top 2 sahih hadiths (bakhari and Muslim) as well as verses from quran with the interpretation from your scholars. I have my opinions and have I said them as honest as possible.

I have given u their translations from classical Arabic to 21st century English, but you claim your own scholars misinterpreted/ mistranslated it, but I posit you are the one who wants to dilute and reinterpret the quran even tho your god has said it is clear and easy to understand and the commands are for all time.

If your god is all knowing how come commands for slavery was given in several verses, including breeding them while infact Today slavery is illegal in most of the world except in Islamic countries.
Qatar has major slavery issues and dubia which treat the dark Arab race as subhuman. Tho it is not wide spread due to human rights groups and the dominance of the largely christian populated western world governements that keep the Muslims in check. I have given u so many verses translated by your sources. I won't tell you everything, read your quran and the bible(NT).

From my discussions with you I sense you have a conscience, can u sleep with a 9year old child..my guess will be NO because it is NOT moral, yet a man u emulate did it.


You keep telling me Mohammed brought laws for this world. That's funny, this is one of the reasons we know Mohammed is a false prophet because the Holy Bible tells us we are NOT of THIS world.
Do you know why there is separation of church and state, why there are NO christain countries. Because the church leading states as a government will soil the integrity of the church. Government and corrupt are inseparable. Christ made it clear to us his kingdom is coming and your quran even says he is coming. Christ told us to beware of false prophets that will come to deceive, these are in the christain Gospels written hunderds of years before Islam, and before the Gnostic "christains", before the Jehovah withness, Mormons, word of faith movement.. These groups come and attack the gospel or attempt to deceive but yet Christianity stands strong.

If you chose to become a christain, a true christain doing Gods work, you will be insulted, persecuted and even killed like it is done in the middle east.. We expect this as christians because it is said in our Bible. I have been insulted here by Muslims over and over again. But I it is alread said in the bible in Matt. 10:25-26, " If they have called the Master Beelzebub, how much more shall they call His household? Fear them not therefore: for there is nothing covered that shall not be revealed; and hid, that shall not be known."

Do u want us to discuss someother issue because I am bored of the killings in Islam as a topic.

You said you didn't make claims but yet in few paragraphs away you make a claim that Muhammad and other Christian faith which you don't believe in came to attack christains. May be what we refer to as claim is different. I may not have gotten what you interpreted claim to mean but I think you can understand what I meant by you making claims.

Maybe I missed the part where you gave an interpretation by a scholar in Islam. Kindly refer me to the scholar's interpretation again.

Translation and interpretation to me meant two different things. Why you used both interchangeably in you second paragraph is not so clear.

When you mentioned conscience and all sort, I think you expect me to use my common sense to reason my way out of Islam. Exactly why I try as much as possible to avoid quoting the Qur’an, hadith and even the bible in my discussions.

The discussion doesn't have a goal again, that may be the reason why you are bored. We keep jumping from one topic to another. I think I warned against that earlier.

I don't really see the point of your last paragraph, because as much as we have muslims who abuses, we also have christains who do. And I don't using any abusive word while discussing with you.

Since you are bored, I feel we will meet to discuss other issues some other time if God wills. Shalom.

@ifeann
These are real life problems islam provides solution to. You disagree with the solutions because you have a better one which I expect you to state.
Because people used the law neglecting the conditions surrounding it is never the fault of the law maker.

I asked those questions because I don't want to make the assumption that you believe all Jesus teaching applies to Governing a state.

If it does, then let's see how these problems can be solved using the teachings of Christ or at best the comforter since that is what I assumed is the standard of comparison.



All laws in Islam has conditions. Like lawyers, we have those who specializes in that aspect of Islam. For you to say a law in Islam is bad, I expect you know the laws and their conditions and also you have a better law for replacement. That is what I think our discussion is about.

But if you wanna learn about the laws in Islam, you ask questions and not make claims as you have been doing. It is not possible filling a cup which is already full. Peace.

@ifeann pastorkun
It is a general knowledge that Islam prohibits alcohol and pork for Muslims. But I don’t think it is a general knowledge that muslim can eat these if it is the only way by which an illness can be cured or only way to avoid death by hunger. Having this in mind, lets pause on Islam and see your solution to some problems that occur in real life.

War (killing)
Boko haram, Isis has chosen a violent way to ask for whatever they want. Hitler declared war too. Since thou shall not kill, then what is the best way the entity in which war is declared upon can respond?

Slavery
The Arabic word for a slave is Abdul or abeed. Translation of words from one language to another adds meaning or subtracts from its meaning. If the word owph translated as bird in the bible is rigidly correct, then, at least one verse of the bible will be wrong. But if concepts are translated and interpreted in the boundary of their concept, then slavery would include taking away rights of individuals. Prisoner is just a branded name of a slave considered to be a criminal. And since taking away individual rights (slavery) is prohibited, then, what has your believe suggested in replacing prisons where criminals (slaves) are kept? But if prisoners are not slaves, what then makes abdul or abeed slaves?

Raids
What would you suggest the Nigeria govt do when they get the information that book haram are on their way to Sambisa from the market place? Because all I can understand is that Nigeria govt will be doing ‘highway rubbery’ on book haram which is prohibited in your religion. What about illegal good, toxic goods brought into the country?

Ifeann:


Abraham was promised a child and he got it. Today he is the father of many nations just as the bible said he would be as his sons descendants grew.

Noah was promised to be saved and he was saved from the flood. His sons repopulated the earth. I don't know the victory u mean except if its this.

Jesus knew he came to die for our sins as the scriptures (old testament) prophesied. And he said it many times to his disciples. He came, did that and fulfilled the scriptures . Today he has billions of followers contributing greatly to humanity.

However, You seem to be adamant about the validity of ur quran and his prophet. Let me ask you this.

Please READ this;

When you say Islam is true what you are actually saying is that your god sent the great "messenger" ISA, who was born of a virgin woman and performed countless miracles including giving life to clay (in your book), in the holy bible he gave life to the dead, walked on water etc.
And when the Jews/ pharisees get him and take him to his death, your god then tricks the Jews and Romans to believe that ISA was crucified (check this it is in your quran: for he was not crucified but it was made to them as if he was) and there by starting the great way of life/ religion which has helped countless people find true peace.

After this your "all knowing" god then sends Mohammed to fight the Jews and Christians (a religion he helped create).

How can u believe this. How can your "all knowing" god create a religion and then send another man, Mohammed who performed no miracles to give commands contrary to most of his early "messenger" ISA.

This makes no sense.
Isalm makes no sense

Jumping from a topic to another is the result of most religious discussions. This is where our discussion is leading to too.

Except we go back to what we haven't finished I don't see the discussion converging.

But then I think something will helping you in discussing better if you encounter a muslim like me.......... If I have assumed that all christains interpret bible like pastorkun, then I will be arguing with you with a base knowledge that trinity is false. If you are now someone who believes in trinity, my statement would look awkward. What I discovered in our discussion is that you have your own Interpretation of Islam which is different from mine, but then you argue as if your own Interpretation is my belief.

Even though we haven't agreed on anything, your previous advises are taken into consideration. May God guide us right.

PastorKun:


It still beats my imagination given all that as been written and attributed to mohammed in the quoran and hadiths how anybody in good conscience can claim mohammed was a perfect ex0ample It just sounds so ridiculous.

I will be afraid it doesn't sound ridiculous to you. Trinity sounds ridiculous to me too but some people believe in it. To them it makes perfect sense. Though I don't know if you believe in trinity though just giving an eg. The theory of relativity sounds ridiculous sometimes back. It is not a crime if something sounds ridiculous.

Ifeann

Please let us address why Islam and your prophet endorses, s and encourages slavery or child marriage or paedophilia or sex with captives or beheadings or stonings or revenge missions or assassination of his critics or the abrogations of revelations or polygamy(legalised adultery) or temporary marriage (legalised prostitution still practised by shites) or Al Taqiyya (use of deceit) or Incest (he slept with his adopted son's ex wife after he divorced her sine Mohammed lusted after her), or sex with captives(which he did often), or No adpotion in Islam or his fear of wall garkos (little lizards) or dogs (mans best friend) or sharing war booty or any other vice in the Qu'ran




I never disagree that you are against some of islamic teachings. All I asked is let's take them one by one. We started with killing, I don't see any point reminding me that you have so many problems with islam.

Reality that happens in this world is that there will be thieves. In a situation where the thief wants to kill my mum, and I have a gun and at a position where I have the advantage of killing him first. This could happen in reality do you agree? If yes, islam says I can use my gun on him even though the man may die as a result before he kills my mum. What better advice would you give? The reason why I asked you this question again I repeat is to learn from you the better option to situation that occur in reality as ed by your beliefs.



If my examples are too absurd, Nigeria can take away guns from the military and police because it is a sin for them to kill according to your belief.

Maybe I should state it clearly, I see defending oneself if it means killing the other person as a partial or immediately solution to some problem. I am yet to see the better option you give to this problem. That is why I ask you questions so that you will convince me. Is that too much to ask?