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@FxMasterz

Well said

FxMasterz:


There's no discrepancy here. No contradiction at all. The moment you understand that Allah is Satan and Satan is Allah, this verse will make more sense to you.

Hmmm !

I know who Allah is and who Satan is and their relationship.

More of Qur'anic contradictions, meaning Allah is not infallible as Muslims would want us to believe. Can the true God commit such blunders? Let's go:
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Who sends disbelievers
astray?

Allah

Of them there are some who
(pretend to) listen to thee; but
We have thrown veils on their
hearts, So they understand it
not, and deafness in their ears;
if they saw every one of the
signs, not they will believe in
them; in so much that when
they come to thee, they (but)
dispute with thee; the
Unbelievers say: "These are
nothing but tales of the
ancients."
Qur'an 6:25

Allah

Allah leaves stray whom He
wills and guides whom He wills
Qur'an 35:8

Allah

No soul can believe except by
the will of Allah
Qur'an 10:100

Satan

(Iblis) said: "O my Lord!
because Thou hast put me in
the wrong, I will make (wrong)
fair-seeming to them on the
earth, and I will put them all in
the wrong
Qur'an 15:39

Satan

Who whispereth in the hearts
of mankind
Qur'an 114:5

Satan

I will mislead them, and I will
create in them false desires....
(Qur'an 4:119).

Themselves

Hath not the story reached
them of those before them?-
the People of Noah, and 'Ad,
and Thamud; the People of
Abraham, the men of Midian,
and the cities overthrown. To
them came their messengers
with clear signs. It is not Allah
Who wrongs them, but they
wrong their own souls. (Qur'an9:70).

Themselves

It was not Allah who wronged
them, but they wronged their
own souls
Qur'an 30:9

Themselves

It is they who have lost their
own souls, that they will not
believe.
(Qur'an 6:12).

Let me stop here for now.

[Qur'an 4:82) Do they not then meditate on the Quran? And if it were from any other than Allah, they would have found in it many a discrepancy

Qur'an is not to be trusted as Allah boasted there is not a single contradiction in his book, Qur'an. This is found to be a lie as there are many contradictions in the Qur'an.

One of the contradictions is what is pointed out in this thread, which no Muslim has been able to defend.

I thought a versed Islamist would explain these two verses that look like a contradiction in the Qur'an, but unfortunately, no one is able.

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Quran3:85]
And whoso seeketh as religion other than the Surrender (to Allah) it will not be accepted from him, and he will be a loser in the Hereafter.

Allah clearly said he will not accept any other religion from anyone other than Islam.

But yet he said Christians (who you Muslims accuse of idolatry for calling Jesus the Son of God) will receive reward from their God.


[Quran 2:62]
Lo! Those who believe (in that which is revealed unto thee, Muhammad), and those who are Jews, and Christians, and Sabaeans - whoever believeth in Allah and the Last Day and doeth right - surely their reward is with their Lord, and there shall no fear come upon them neither shall they grieve.

Which one should we believe? One of the two verses must be wrong. Did Allah make mistakes?

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Abdulmujeeb52:
Meet Mallam Yusuuf Adepoju, he will give you appropriate answers to your questions constructively,

So, you na just follow-follow. You know nothing about your faith. Don't play with your soul in hell, my man.

Quran 5:82]
Thou wilt find the most vehement of mankind in hostility to those who believe (to be) the Jews and the idolaters. And thou wilt find the nearest of them in affection to those who believe (to be) those who say: Lo! We are Christians. That is because there are among them priests and monks, and because they are not proud.

Above, the Qur'an testifies of the good qualities of Christians.

But, can the same be said of Muslims when the Qur'an says;

Quran 48:29
Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are HARD against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves......

Which is Godly: to love like the Christians do or to be hard against fellow humans?

Iamanoited:
ISHMAELITES ARE NATURALLY SILLY. GENESIS 16 : 12.

Succinct!

Queenttoast01:
You will understand with this.


The lifestyle of Jesus and Muhammad are very different in many aspects. Here are some of the main differences:

- Jesus was born of a virgin, while Muhammad was born of a normal human couple. ¹²

- Jesus claimed to be the Son of God and one with God, while Muhammad claimed to be a prophet and messenger of God. ¹²

- Jesus performed many miracles, such as healing the sick, raising the dead, walking on water, and multiplying food, while Muhammad did not perform any miracles. ¹²³

- Jesus lived a sinless life, while Muhammad lived a sinful life. ¹²³

- Jesus taught a message of love, forgiveness, and peace, while Muhammad taught a message of submission, obedience, and war. ¹²³
- Jesus died on the cross for the sins of the world, and rose from the dead on the third day, while Muhammad died of poisoning and remained dead. ¹²³

- Jesus ascended to heaven and promised to return, while Muhammad was buried in Medina and did not promise to return. ¹²³

- Jesus founded the Christian faith, which is based on grace and faith, while Muhammad founded the Islamic faith, which is based on works and law. ¹²³

- Jesus had no wives or children, while Muhammad had eleven wives and several children. ¹²³

- Jesus encouraged his followers to love their enemies and pray for those who persecute them, while Muhammad encouraged his followers to fight against their enemies and kill those who oppose them. ¹²³

These are some of the major differences between the lifestyle of Jesus and Muhammad. I hope this answer helps you compare and contrast these two influential figures. If you want to learn more, you can check out the links I provided. 😊

For by him all things were created, in heaven and on earth, visible and invisible, whether thrones or dominions or rulers or authorities—all things were created through him and for him (Colossians 1:16)


There is no basis comparing Jesus to Muhammad. It is an insult to Jesus.

Jesus is a Creator and Muhammad is creature.

Jesus is Divine and Muhammad is earthly.


I do not intend to rubbish your post, I only buttressed your points brother. God bless you

Ms202309:



Neo colonial brainwashing

Ahh.. Religion has finished my people

Were it not for God, I wouldn't have been alive till date.

I ate food poison and all the hospitals around could not do anything about it. I was about to die when God intervened through prayers.

I became healed instantaneously, not a gradual healing.

If you say it is brainwashing, I like it so.

Ms202309:


Is it the same Jews that Egypt enslaved for decades and Adolf Hitler killed over 3 million rendering them homeless

Infact what war did they win

Laugh!

The Nation of Israel loses war only when they go against God's instructions. God's uses their enemies to punish them. You may not understand this anyway.

Since their return to their fathers' land in 1948, no Arabs war overcame them and they will never do.

Ms202309:


Just because some Jewish men wrote very stupid unbelievable story and colonial masters sold it to Africans doesn't make them war specialist

But they have always been winning as they will also win this.

Wait and see.

Ms202309:



Don't get me wrong, Isreal should conduct a ground attack like military convention codes agrees too

Not random aerial bombent of soft targets

Real men fight like men and not blow up children

I doubt if you know war strategies better than the Nation of Israel. They have been at it since the Bible days.

Ms202309:


You think you can order an armed terrorist to leave your house with getting shot

So, for that, Israel should stop actions, so that Hamas will come and kill them again?

One of Hamas leaders spoke on Aljezeera TV that Hamas will strike again and again.

In fact, even as we speak, they are still sending missiles to Israel. But the Islamic world would look away from that.

Your opinion is that Israel should allow them to kill their citizens again and again, as said by their leader.

Ms202309:


By fighting back you mean fight Hamas terrorist or blowing up children hospital and people's home in the middle of the night

This is why I earlier talked about unfairness in this world.

Hamas that caused the havoc are being shielded in public places, including hospitals.
If the people don't what their children blown off, they should not have been complicit by accommodating Hamas.

The parents of those children are the cause of the death of their children. The friend of my enemy is my enemy. Since the Palestinians are shielding Hamas, they have no reason to complain if their children are blown off.

Ms202309:


Violence doesn't have to carry ethnicity or Nationality

Condemn evil without label

So, to avoid violence, Israel has to contain the death of 1,405 and not fight back?

Ms202309:




Saudi is an Islamic nation they condemned the violence

Egypt that warned Netayahun are Muslims

If ESN hide in your house should Nigerian Army burn your family to death ?


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Which of the violence is condemned by Saudi: that of Hamas or Israel?

The whole Islamic world is condemning Israel for the reprisal of 1,405 Israelis killed by Hamas but nobody is talking about the Hamas' killings.

People are talking about killing civilians by Israeli army but never considered that the people killed in Israel were also civilians.

No Palestinian has ever condemned Hamas but have been giving to them. In fact, I listened to the Prime Minister of Palestine, say that Hamas is a part of their political system and that Israel cannot exterminate them.

Hamas are hiding in Hospitals, IDPs, Schools, Churches, Mosques etc, and instead of pointing them out for the civilians not to suffer casualties, they keep shielding them, and yet they cry Israel is killing civilians.

Would the world expect Israel to fold its arms and not retaliate after killing 1,405 of its innocent citizens? What are they crying for?

What an unjust world.

AntiChristian:


This liar no fit repent!
Even if you meet Jesus you go lie!

Something must be wrong with your brain. You saw the Quranic quotes, you saw the Hadith that explains it, yet you cannot comprehend. It takes a fool to believe in Islam. No wonder your quran says you must ask quation (Quran 5:101).

AntiChristian:
I think I'm at fault for responding to a dunce and a recalcitrant Liar!

The title of your thread states what Muslims will experience at death.

Then you started covering your lies with more lies thinking you're deceiving me!

May you perish with your lie!

If what I said is a lie, it means the Qur'an and Hadith that I quoted is a lie.

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Extract from the above Hadith:

When Allah would finish judging His bondsmen and because of His mercy decide to take out of Hell such people as He pleases. He would command the angels to bring out those who had not associated anything with Allah; to whom Allah decided to show mercy. those who would say: There is no god but Allah. They (the angels) would recognise them in the Fire by the marks of prostration, for Hell-fire will devour everything (limb) of the sons of Adam except the marks of prostration. Allah has forbidden the fire to consume the marks of prostration. They will be taken out of the Fire having been burnt..

In Islam, Allah was never consistent so that his slaves do not know where they belong. It is the character of the Devil.


Sahih Muslim Book 1, Hadith Number 349.

SAHIH MUSLIM BOOK 1. FAITH

Chapter : The way in which the believers would see the Lord.

Abu Haraira reported: The people said to the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him): Messenger of Allah, shall we see our Lord on the Day of Resurrection? The Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) said: Do you feel any trouble in seeing the moon on the night when it is full? They said: Messenger of Allah, no. He (the Messenger) further said: Do you feel any trouble in seeing the sun, when there is no cloud over it? They said: Messenger of Allah. no. He (the Holy Prophet) said: Verily you would see Him like this (as you see the sun and the moon). God will gather people on the Day of Resurrection and say: Let every people follow what they worshipped. Those who worshipped the sun would follow the sun, and those who worshipped the moon would follow the moon, and those who worshipped the devils would follow the devils. This Ummah (of Islam) alone would be left behind and there would be hypocrites too amongst it. Allah would then come to them in a form other than His own Form, recognisable to them, and would say: I am your Lord. They would say: We take refuge with Allah from thee. We will stay here till our Lord comes to us. and when our Lord would come we would recognise Him. Subsequently Allah would come to them in His own Form, recognisable to them, and say: I am your Lord. They would say: Thou art our Lord. And they would follow Him, and a bridge would be set over the Hell; and I (the Holy Prophet) and my Ummah would be the first to over it; and none but the messengers would speak on that day, and the prayer of the messengers on that day would be: O Allah ! grant safety, grant safety. In Hell, there would be long spits like the thorns of Sa’dan He (the Holy Prophet) said: Have you seen Sa’dan? They replied: Yea, Messenger of Allah. He said: Verily those (hooks) would be like the thorns of Sa’dan, but no one knows their size except Allah. These would seize people for their misdeeds. Some of them would escape for their (good) deeds, and some would be rewarded for their deeds till they get salvation. [b]When Allah would finish judging His bondsmen and because of His mercy decide to take out of Hell such people as He pleases. He would command the angels to bring out those who had not associated anything with Allah; to whom Allah decided to show mercy. those who would say: There is no god but Allah. They (the angels) would recognise them in the Fire by the marks of prostration, for Hell-fire will devour everything (limb) of the sons of Adam except the marks of prostration. Allah has forbidden the fire to consume the marks of prostration. They will be taken out of the Fire having been burnt.. [/b]and the water of life would be poured over them, and they will sprout as seed does In the silt carried by flood. Then Allah would finish judging amongst His bondsmen; but a man who will be the last to enter Paradise will remain facing Hell and will say: O my Lord I turn my face away from Hell, for its air has poisoned me and its blaze has burnt me. He will then call to Allah as long as Allah would wish that he should call to Him. Then Allah, Blessed and Exalted, would say: If I did that, perhaps you would ask for more than that. He would say: I would not ask You more than this, and he would give his Lord covenants and agreements as Allah wished, and so He would turn his face away from the Fire When he turns towards the Paradise and sees it, he will remain silent as long as Allah wishes him to remain so. He will then say: O my Lord I bring me forward to the gate of the Paradise. Allah would say to him: Did you not give covenants and agreements that you would not ask for anything besides what I had given you. Woe to thee ! O son of Adam, how treacherous you are ! He would say: O my Lord ! and would continue calling to Allah till He. would say to him: If I grant you that, perhaps you will ask for more. He will reply: No, by Thy greatness, and he will give His Lord promises and covenants as Allah had wished He would then bring him to the gate of the Paradise, and when he would stand at the gate of the Paradise, it would lay open before him and he would see the bounty and the joy that there is in it. He would remain quiet as long as Allah would desire him to remain silent. He would then say: O my Lord, it me to Paradise. Allah. Blessed and Exalted, would say: Did you not give covenants and agreements that you would not ask for anything more than what I had granted you? Woe to you ! son of Adam, how treacherous you are! And he would say: O my Lord, I do not wish to be the most miserable of Thy creatures. He would continue calling upon Allah till Allah. Blessed and Exalted would laugh. When Allah would laugh at him. He would say: Enter the Paradise. When he would enter, Allah would say: State your wish. He would express his wishes till Allah would remind him (the desire of) such and such (things). When his desires would be exhausted Allah would say: That is for thee and, besides it, the like of it also. ‘Ata’ b. Yazid said: Abu Sa’id al-Khudri was with Abu Huraira and be did not reject anything from the hadith narrated by him, but when Abu Huraira narrated: “Allah said to that man; and its like along with it,” Abu Sa’id said: “Ten like it along with it,” O Abu Huraira. Abu Huraira said: I do not except the words: “That is for you and a similar one along with it.” Abu Sa’id said: I bear witness to the fact that I ed from the Messenger of Allah (may peace be upon him) his words: “That is for thee and ten like it.” Abu Huraira said: That man was the last of those deserving of Paradise to enter Paradise.

AntiChristian:


You'll use more lies to cover your initial lie till I Post the long Hadith on what happens at death!

You simply lied!

This is not what Muslims experience at death!

Post the Hadith and let people see it.

If you doctor it, I will post it by myself.

AntiChristian:


I am telling you categorically that you lied! The title of your thread is What Muslim will experience at death

But what you stated is not what happens at death.

At death, the soul will remain after it departs the body, and it will ascend and descend, and it will be returned to the body, and the deceased will be questioned, then he will be subjected to bliss or punishment.

Seems you don't even know when it happens from your copy and paste!

Christian Liar!

What Muslims will experience at death means what will happen to them when they die BOTH quran and hadiths testify that they will go to hell and only on the Day of Resurrection some will be removed but they would have been burnt. Allah has commanded the fire not to burn their mark of prostration, by which Allah’s angel will identify them and remove them from the Fire. This means all Muslims will land in hell as soon as they die.

You need to pray so that the statements will be clear to you because they are so simple.

Going to hell and coming out of it is deception. Once you get inside Hellfire there is no coming out. What qualifies you to go inside hell, will make you to remain there forever, as there is no repentance after death.

AntiChristian:


Where does this say "after death"?

What a question. Are you going to hell alive?

I wonder how Muslims reason. Anyway, you must reason that way to be able to follow Allah.

AntiChristian:


Okay but the verse didn't say Muslims would experience that stage after death!

It's after resurrection when all disbelievers are already in hell!

You lied!

See again the correct interpretations by your early Islamic Scholar:

Sahih Muslim, Book 001, Number 0349:

“They (the angels) would recognise them in the Fire [/b]by the marks of prostration, for Hell-fire will devour everything (limb) of the sons of Adam except the marks of prostration. Allah has forbidden the fire to consume the marks of prostration. [b]They will be taken out of the Fire having been burnt…”