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DevilsEqual:
Hmmm...So last last, na every region hunger dey touch

Thought these guys said only the Northerners and SW people that have been crying of hunger

Also,if hunger dey hammer a whole King, E mean say the villagers dey worse conditions


But then,They are all billionaires and this is just a skit

You and your people often reason with your anuses. No one said that the evil government of Tinubu is not affecting him. Instead we are blaming you for being the ones that caused it while you are also suffering it. This kind of nonsense reasoning is why the Fulanis called you 'Yari.ba'. Always trying to rewrite the narrative.

NO wonder you answer names like DevilsEqual and Baster

One thing I ire about most atheists like Botragelad is their absolute sincerity and open-mindedness. They are willing to listen to reason, and even God is quoted in the Bible as saying, "come let's reason together" (Isaiah 1:18). So, I urge religious people like Jesusjnr2020 not to become defensive against their offensive. Instead, depending on the Holy Spirit, take time out of Christian love to explain to them.

I see that sincerity in him and so here I am to reason with him. So, this is my response to you Botragelad...

When you cite snippets of history featuring the likes of Galileo, you are actually referring to the fallibility of religion. There is a clear difference between religion and God.

If you had said you don't believe in religion, I would have had little issues with you. But to say you don't believe in God because of those reasons you gave up there

When I read the following from you, I was forced to ask you what you understand by the word "God":

Atheists do not believe in God because they do not find any convincing evidence or logical arguments for his existence. They do not need God to explain the origin of the universe, the diversity of life, the morality of humans, or the meaning of their lives. They rely on reason, evidence, and science to understand the world and themselves.

By the word "God", I simply understand the Creator of this Universe you and I are a part of - just like Zuckerberg is the creator of Facebook (though in a far lesser sense). So, how can you say there is no convincing evidence for the existence of God when everything actually proves his existence, including yourself and your brain that you're using to write this up there? Otherwise, tell me how your brain and yourself could have been a product of chance event.

Yes, I agree with your assertion that our beliefs should not be based on fear like many people who claim to be Christians do. Even the Bible itself says it again and again, "fear not" and that "the just shall live by faith" - not by fear. So, just like you, I don't agree with Christians who try to appeal to death as our reasons to believe in God because that actually contradicts the viewpoint of the Bible.

What I preach is that you look at the world and know that the world, beyond all doubts, is a product of a Real Conscious (or Superconscious) Being. This is absolutely undeniable. I don't see how you can deny this without being foolish.

As the Bible itself says, "the fool says in his heart that there is no God" (Psalm 53:1). Another scripture says, "you fools, why do you think that He who made the ear cannot hear or that He who made the eye cannot see?" (Psalm 94:8-9).

In line with that scripture above, I can equally ask you, "how can you have this powerful brain and you think that there's no Being who is responsible for its existence? And if you agree that there is such a Being, why would you think that such a Being would be incapable of thinking or reasoning or consciousness?"

If you have any objection to the existence of such a Being as I just described above, you let me know. But if you don't have any objection to it, it means that you have agreed that there is God because God is no other than the Creator of the world. I just described God in absolute existence and YOU are one undeniable evidence of His existence.

In your presentation there is a place where you said that atheists are "open to changing their minds if new (convincing) evidence or arguments are presented". So I ask, has my evidence or argument convinced you? If not, let me know how or why. Thank you.

Cc: Erad

My responses

You started out by saying as follows:

Botragelad:

Thanks for your reply, but I'm afraid you haven't convinced me at all. You've just repeated the same old arguments that have been refuted many times by atheists.

So, I was reading hoping to see your refutation but, honestly, I hardly found any. But in case you presume you refuted me successfully, let me respond to you point by point below:

1. You wrote the following...

You're confusing religion and God, but not in the way you think. You're right that there is a difference between religion and God, but it's not that religion is fallible and God is infallible. It's that religion is a human invention and God is a fictional character. Religion is a set of beliefs, practices, rituals, and institutions that humans have created to express their ideas God(s) is one of those ideas, a product of human imagination and culture, not a reality that exists independently of human minds. There is no evidence that God exists outside of human thought, and there is no reason to think that he does.

"There is no evidence that God exists outside of human thought, and there is no reason to think that he does" you wrote. Now, this reminds me of the question I posed up there that you are yet to answer: What does the word "God" mean to you? In line with that, I also ask, what constitutes a valid evidence to you? You know, because "God" and "evidence" are the two words you seem to be using most frequently. So, to have a meaningful discussion, we must explain these two words together.

I have defined God as the Creator of everything in the universe, with YOU, including your brain, eyes, ears, hands, etc as empirical here-and-now samples of His Creation. Yet you said that "there is no evidence that God exists outside of human thought, and there is no reason to think that he does", when I presented YOU chatting with me as a concrete evidence outside human thoughts, a real creature created by this God we are talking about.

So, what is your own definition of God? Note that when you said that God is "a product of human imagination and culture, not a reality that exists independently of human minds" up there, that is not a definition yet. Or, is it?

2. About My Bible Citation

You wrote:

When you cite the Bible as a source of authority, you're begging the question. You're assuming that the Bible is the word of God, and that it is true and reliable. But you have no basis for that assumption, other than your faith. The Bible is not a historical or scientific document, it is a collection of ancient writings that reflect the beliefs, values, and myths of the people who wrote them. The Bible is full of contradictions, errors, inconsistencies, and immoral teachings.

Honestly, it is very laughable that you who want us to take the path of science is making so many unfounded allegations here. For example, when did I mention to you that I'm quoting the Bible because it is an authority? Rather, I only quoted it as you would quote any other source to what you already said.

For instance, it is logic when I quoted the scripture that who or whatever made your eye also has an ability akin to seeing or he couldn't be able to make your eye (Psalm 94:8,9). As a Latin adage said, "you can't give what you don't have".

So, try refuting the point rather than just castigating the Bible probably because you've heard someone else do the same. I could have quoted you or Plato, or anyone else or, as I've just done above👆, a Latin adage. But that doesn't mean I am claiming these sources are absolute authorities. Rather, I'm only saying that they what I'm already saying. Or, are you saying we shouldn't be quoting sources anymore? In any case, from now, as much as possible, I'm not going to quote Bible sources to you.

3. Everything Proves The Existence Of God

You wrote:

[b]Where you say that everything proves the existence of God, you're making a huge leap of logic. You're going from the fact that the universe and life exist, to the conclusion that they must have been created by a conscious being. But that's not a valid inference, it's a fallacy. It's like saying that because a painting exists, it must have been painted by a human. But that's not true, a painting could have been made by a machine, or by natural forces, or by some other process.

Here, I think it would have been fairer for you to take a cue from the example I used myself instead of using painting and a painter. Saying that you are a proof that God exists is like saying that Facebook is a proof that someone (Zuckerberg) created it. And saying that God does not exist when you yourself exist, is as stupid as saying that Facebook could have created itself or created by chance. Just like what you went ahead to write...

The same goes for the universe and life. They could have been caused by natural laws, or by chance, or by some unknown mechanism. You can't just assume that they were caused by God, without any evidence or argument.[/b]

I am saying that "God" is the name I give to whoever or whatever caused them to exist. What do you have to say to this?

4. Your Frequent Use Of The Slang 'Lol'

You concluded your response by writing has follows...

So, to answer your question, no, you have not convinced me. You have only confirmed my atheism. You have shown me that you do not understand what atheism is, what God is, what the Bible is, what the world is, or what I am. Lol
Well, I'm here if you want to chat more. Cheers.

I have chosen to respond to you only because I believe you're sincere. Otherwise, my time is too precious to be wasted on charlatans who are just out to trash-talk. Your frequent use of the word 'lol' seems to suggest that you might belong among such charlatans. First, it indicates that you presume you are right and no one else can be right other than you. Again, it shows that you are not serious about what you are saying.

So, if you are serious, respond to me point by point as I have responded to you, addressing the issues I've raised one after the other especially if you don't agree with them. But if you keep showing that you are not serious then, don't expect any further response from me.

There are other things you said up there. But my responses to them will depend on the responses you give to the points I've raised now. Thank you.

When the scriptures talk about the narrow way, this is it.

https://biblehub.com/matthew/7-13.htm

You can see how this is being ignored as Noah was ignored in his days. If it is about nude celebrities or ethnic chauvinism, people would be everywhere here.

So, congrats if you are one of the few choosing this narrow way to the superabundance of John 10:10.

Don't just read. Meditate and pray through it. I feel so much power as I do this myself. And I'm experiencing so much unusual inner joy.

Kindly share your own experience as you read, pray, and meditate on this.

As you read and meditate, try to notice that the authority is yours and mine already once we proclaim Jesus Christ of Nazareth as the Lord of our lives.

Even if you find it hard to believe spiritual mumbo jumbo like me, at least, believe in the reality of will power. By sheer will power, this man made a decision to accept Jesus Christ as the Lord of his life as far back as 1962 when almost NO NAIRALANDER was yet born.

And he is still waxing strong in the faith at 87! Wowwww! For me, this is a proof that what he did then had substance in it. I just can't imagine myself doing this nonstop since 1962. There must be another power backing him.

Stop crying and start creating. As a believer in Jesus Christ the Son Of God, you have the authority from God's own Presence to create whatever you like - wealth, victory, healing, deliverance, judgment, etc. You and I am like someone carrying a blank check from the Highest Authority in the Universe. Let's cash the check. It's our duty, not an option.

Oh, read and read and read and soak and soak and soak in this Divine Inspiration Coming Through Kenneth Copeland.

https://blog.kcm.org/7-facts-about-your-authority-as-a-believer/

Even if you hate going to church as I now do, don't look down on this. God, Jesus Christ, is different from church attendance.

Thanks.

Vinnie2000:


U change from Rozz to Iyaebe to IconicR and now this monicker,

Yet you never still get a Good Sense of Reasoning.

You Better start Acting ur Age, Ok? 😏😕

You have the time to notice all these changes? You see why you're poor. Don't worry, I already know you are coming to tell me how you can feed me and my family but you just showed undeniably that you are very poor. Abeg, get busy with more meaningful affairs.

HenryTimes:
Those days when I was a boy, I dey call am papaboy hat or Kangol even na today I come know say the correct name na paperboy hat

Lol Loller Lollest.

Beremx:
Na panama cap we dey call am back in those years. My dad had lots of it

Are you surprised to know you were right? I'm learning a lot this evening.

Must you bring everything to social media.

DamnnNiggarr:

it's called the "kangol breathable beret"
or kangol

Thanks. Looks like there's a slight difference between Kangol and newspaper boy hat.

gidgiddy:


Some people call it "news paperboy hat"

Thank you prof. A few people like you is the reason I've not lost hope on Nigeria.

Tochi3:
Bobo chicago cappy

Don't make it seem as if nairaland is a headquarter of stupidity. Someone asked a question, but instead of you to attempt answering it you start making a joke of it. If you don't know the answer, respect yourself and get out of the way. These trashy attitudes on the streets of Nigeria is why this country is like this.

illicit:
So if we decide to call it front page, the Americans will nuke us?


When they call ur food stupid names, u adopt it wholeheartedly


🥵

But WWW is their food, not yours. So call it as they call it or stop eating it. If you have chosen to troll me, you will hate yourself oh.

illicit:
It's called obi is a boy

His son is a girl

🥵

Ur pettiness is out of this world. I honestly want to know the name of the cap please. Thank you.

I just need to know. Thank you.

Don't study a course because the name sounds beautiful. Go and Google "the most in-demand jobs in 2024" and you see that cybersecurity is there but mechatronics is not there. Thank your God. He's leading you aright. Your disappointment is a blessing already.

They are good at pushing useless threads to the homepage while leaving aside very newsworthy ones.

For instance, some days ago, someone posted “Solomon Lar Amusement Park Jos IN VIEW’. Both the Facebook source and the NL op added “in view” which clearly shows that it is a model and not the real park. But the mod who pushed it to the homepage titled it “Solomon Lar Amusement Park In Jos’.

Because of this, the comments on Nairaland were completely different from the comments on Facebook. Those on Nairaland were commenting as if it was a real park while those on Facebook showed they knew it was not real.

https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/7982242/solomon-lar-amusement-park-jos

Yet that same day, it was reported here on Nairaland that an Edo-born Nigerian was appointed into a big office at United Nations Habitat and he was even congratulated by his Governor. But despite calling on Nlfpmod to push the thread to hp, it never made it.

https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/7982372/obaseki-congratulates-uwadia-appointment-un-habitat#128140241

Meanwhile, can we stop saying ‘first page’? It makes us Nigerians look very backward in the eyes of the world as if we don't know that the right way to say it is ‘homepage’.

Nlfpmod, this is homepage news. Nigerians don't get UN appointments every year.

Jennyclay:
Just imagine . Because of ordinary 27k . What would happen if he sent her 120k for flight

He can’t tell me he hasn’t promised and failed someone or disappointed someone before in his lifetime

The curses would definitely go back to him and his generation in 100 folds!!

Nonsense men!!

You're right. My gender is often very useless.

illicit:


The priority of a school is to teach books not morals

You are free to hold tight to your ignorance. No one cares.

Olawade24:
So much noise over nothing

You just nailed it. And to think your moniker sounds Yoruba, but you're not thinking like a typical Yoruba. So much noise about nothing.

illicit:


Suspension

Counselling

Rehabilitation

Mentoring


, they don't belong to the school, they belong to their parents
As schools main job is to teach you subjects not morals per se

Let parents take care of morals at home

As per the bolded, you're absolutely wrong. How can you teach the subjects if there is no way to get the students to submit to moral rules.

For instance, if you want to teach students in a classroom and some group of boys are making a hell of noise not allowing you to teach. You ask them to stop the noise, they refuse. You ask them to leave the classroom, they refuse. You ask them to go home on suspension, they refuse. What are you going to do in how to teach them the subject?

Only ignorant people don't know that education is beyond intellectual development and includes moral, physical development and more and all this is a part of the roles of a school.

She is popular and she's got many comfortable friends. But it will be very hard before she can win back the trust. Honestly, it is hard to blame this lady considering the situation of the country but people should know that, above all, nothing beats honesty in this world.