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budaatum:

You mentioned "entropy" which only applys in a closed system, one with defined boundaries.

Scientists, by the best of my knowledge, do not go by incomplete data. Neither is "belief" scientific. Scientists may speculate, but they don't expect anyone to run off and claim their speculation on incomplete data is the truth.

The universe may be open and yet isolated. If the universe is isolated, then the law of entropy still holds true.

That the total entropy of an isolated system can never decrease over time.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org › wiki
Second law of thermodynamics - Wikipedia

The gravitational singleton is a speculation isn't it? Yet this forms the best theory we have as per the origin of the universe.

On speculations theories are built whenever data is incomplete.

Nairaland's spam bots have banned me for no just cause. My second Monika is activated.

budaatum:

I don't think scientists assume the universe has a limit or is bounded. You yourself say "one of the most recent model of the universe assumes that the universe is unbounded", so what's your basis for a boundaried universe?

Don't such unevidenced assumptions reduce trust in your argument making it less likely to be believed?

I didn't say the universe was bounded.

I said:

There is actually no evidence yet that the universe is bounded in any way.

I believe the universe is open (expands forever) , isolated (no energy is entering or leaving the system) and unbounded (unconstrained by any external force).

The fact that I said the universe extends from +infinity to -infinity does not imply that it is closed or bounded.

Are we totally sure of this? No!
But such boundaries of the universe has not be detected nor is there evidence that the energy of the universe is increasing or decreasing.
As scientists, we can only go with what has been observed or inferred from even incomplete data.

This is more true now for people who desbelieve in God because no evidence to such has been seen.

Maximus69:
The rule:
Each person must first PRESENT the group with which he associates as a believer.
Each person must show appreciation for the others earnest effort to have time for God's word.
Each person must explain the reason for his conviction.
Each person must display a high measure of self control while reading the response of the other.
So i need to know your religious group [denomination] first before proceeding further in the friendly discuss!

After your talk with alBHAGDADI, we can now allow scrutiny of the scriptures and views as presented by each person.

The truth remains the truth in the face of QUESTIONS!
Questioning the truth actually VALIDATEs the TRUTH for the truth is invariant.

1Pet 3:15:
"But sanctify the Lord God in your hearts: and be ready always to give an answer to every man that asketh you a reason of the hope that is in you with meekness and fear:"

The keyword is REASON for our HOPE!

I have just been banned by Nairaland's Spam bots for my last post. I will edit the title whenever I come off the ban.


So, I created another Monika for this.
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I have told seun to reprogram the algorithm the bots use to flag offenders but I guess he hasn't yet done it.