NewStats: 3,264,316 , 8,183,318 topics. Date: Tuesday, 10 June 2025 at 02:54 PM y3372

When you have all finished killing the thread, let us know. You behave as if everything is a new problem and view the past with rose tinted spectacles. It is never "I have to make it right". Rather, it is always "their fault, na dem do am". As if all of a sudden you are not Nigerians anymore making us all part of the problem.

When you have all finished self deprecating, don't complain when foreigners insult you. And no, outside perception won't change with different people in power. The damage has already been done. Goodluck to you all

Chai! NAF done suffer for some people hand for this forum sha

Because Nigeria has always been the target of the insurgents, not Chad, Cameroun or Niger. They want to build their Islamic state in the NE with Maiduguri as the epicentre.

Only one Alpha Jet lost piloted by Wing Commander Hedima during the current campaign. The other one lost, I think in 2013, was in Mali.

Odunayaw:
Delivers payload of long talks and tears into this thread

Doesn't it just

I have been reading the July issue of Air Forces Monthly and regarding the Jordanian Air Force's CH-4B, they offered the CH-4B MALE UCAVs for sale, despite being only 3 years old, for "failing to meet RJAF standards".

And that is being generous.

NAF Super Tucano.

komekn:


French forces are in Sub Saharan Africa under Operation Barkhan which in itself emanated from operation Serval.

What's the mission focus of the French operation and the of the EU nations which is predominantly logistical is to complement that mission.

French forces complement partner countries of the G5 Sahel if avaliable and if considered necessary. They do not underpin thier operations.

Since Operation Serval in 2013 that essentially wiped out the Islamic Jihadists in the Maghreb in a couple of weeks. How many French combatants have been killed ❓ ❓

To date 46 French soldiers have been killed since January 2013 over a period of 7 years ➕.

Everything can not be air assets and air force required. French forces engage with the enemy on the ground but not relying on air power primarily.

I asked this question before, how many times has ISWAP and it's s attempted to ambush or had any success against French soldiers. Have you heard of any French and or European combatants base been attacked over run ❓ Why I wonder why? ❓

Mali combatants have enough equipment to engage the enemy but somehow they end up with heavy casualties. WHY ❓

can not legislate for the incompetence of its partner countries poor battlefield management and or take responsibility for thier inability to deal with the enemy.

You are evading the subject at its core with irrelevant comparisons . We are talking about Monguno and that specific situation that took place there. Appraise that particular incident and stop evading the core subject please.


You sound like a PR officer for the Armed forces, trying to clean up a mess, but doing a poor job of it. You have not mentioned one substantive fact with regard to NAF response times you have been assumptive not factual.

A Vickers MBT tank and other lethal armoured assets were abandoned and subsequently destroyed by the enemy, they were not used to engage the enemy, WHY the core question ❓❓ ❓ There is no excuse we have reliable Intel that those assets were operational.

The NA have the equipment and should have capacity to deal with a hundred or so rag tag ISWAP fighters in not more than 15/20 gun trucks.

My expectations are that they should never have been able to get into the town in the first place. Anything that happened afterwards was damage limitation.

There is nothing COMMENDABLE about the reponse prior and or afterwards.

I am not going to get into a ding dong with you. You are also in effect a mouth piece for any thing anti the armed forces as you have never seen anything good nor have you backed any of YOUR CONJECTURE with any facts, just made up assumptions.
Don't bother to reply

Toju200:
And I'll still keep asking the question were was Reaper "Drones" when ISWAP hit hard on chadian soilders for 7hrs. Even in Niger earlier dis year who responded to the ISWAP attack on their FOB? NAF..... when has their Mirage and Reaper Drones with Max Loitering time.Quick question why then do u think the US AFSOC is choosing the Tucano why not Aquire More Drones for operations in Afghanistan other than buying Noisy Turbo prop Aircraft Flying 30k feet.
Factors that affect the delivery of the Tucano is unknown but it's what we need.
NAF responding to attacks depends on the time they receive alert.Do u think NAF knew immediately the attack began and spent 2hrs deploying Nahh
Seven of their guntruck were captured 4 from the footage of the Airstrike were destroyed so automatically they didn't go back the same way they came.
If it was the chadians I trust them they'll give them hell,they are battle hardened.

You will not get an answer about the French drones etc. That is why I will keep repeating about arm chair generals.

On the Chadian soldiers, yes they can come and defend and go away as heroes, but it is easier to do that when you have not been fighting for years on multiple engagements at home. Same way if the BH insurgency was embedded in Chad, the NA would be able to there there, whoop asses and return home. Do you think Chad alone would have had the capacity to have been fighting BH for years? How did they do when they lost 100 soldiers when their base was attacked. That was just one attack. Yes they fought back and had some successes, which were overhyped, but so has the NA.

I have already mentioned the factors in relation to NAF response times but some people are bent, as usual, on saying they have failed. No effort to make any research etc.

Concerning the Super Tucano, you have said it. There is no reasoning with people who have entrenched positions, no matter how illogical.

ugo4u:

You didn't read my post with comprehension carefully go through it again.
I said atleast One drone amongst the fleet should be readily available 24/7 for emergencies, not that only one will be used for such operations. Moreover even if it is one available it can go a long way in ameliorating any emergency ground forces encounter. As for expertise I clearly stated that personnel from NAF can be drafted in the interim while the NA finds its feet expertise-wise.
Drones I'm talking about have a range of about 8000km with over 40hrs endurance. It doesn't need to be in the frontlines it can be operated from a very secured base in say Maiduguri or even within NAfs facilities.

I fully comprehended your post. To have that kind of coverage, you will need more than one drone operational at the same time or on standby and we have not even talked about expended ammunition and need to return to base. The problem is not the army not having drones or helicopters, it is to do with the air force being equipped in all spectrums of operations with the right number of platforms to be able to provide such coverage. Why do you think the allies in A-stan and Iraq had multiple platforms from all arms of the military. Even then they have struggled and you think just a few drones and helicopters for the army and you can sing uhuru? It won't be long before people start saying they are useless, they never arrive on time, they ignored us, the ogas are corrupt etc, etc, etc.

Properly equip the air force now and long term, we can start talking about Army Aviation.

SamuelAnyawu:


You can post without calling anyone an Arm chair General. We are Nigerians and free to ask questions

They are still arm chair generals who are free to ask questions. Just like you don't have to keep typing in bold letters as we can see your posts anyway

ugo4u:

This is one of the reasons NA calling for their own aviation unit makes sense but reality on ground is that we're not ready to fund such gargantuan project. What the NA can do in the interim is to establish a drone unit stationed in the NE, then get very cheap drones CH-5 etc from China/Turkey within $1m to $3m with ability to drop payloads. I think 5 to 10units will be ok for a start, with $20m we could kickstart this unit get weapons, train technicians/pilots to operate them or at worst even borrow NAF personnel for the interim to run the new unit till NA finds their feet. The drone unit will have a hotline established with all frontline bases, camps, outposts etc they should be on standby 24hrs, meaning atleast one of the drones in their fleet should be ready to be launched at any given time. I think this option is quite realistic instead waiting to get Mi35s, Apaches etc
Yes, I think going for cheap drones isn't really a bad idea considering out financial state, Bokoharam for now don't have the sophistry to bring down high altitude aircrafts like rebels in Libya, so why are we not exploring that option.

What about when you have multiple attacks at different locations? What will that one drone do? We have not even talked about the expertise needed by the army to man them as well as the logistics, base & aircraft maintenance, trained soldiers that understand base defence etc.

You can't base aircraft near trenches as some have been advocating (even a general. Shows how much he understands about military aviation). You can have FOBs, but if anywhere near hostile territory, will need to be well protected or you will lose many helicopters.

What is needed are more aircraft as well as NAF FACs based at all bases. Some Army personnel can also be trained in co-ordinating air strikes.

You armchair Generals again speaking on operational matters you think you know about. Have you ever considered that there are nowhere near enough platforms in the air force's inventory to maintain a 24 hour coverage of the NE? And you have the platforms scattered over the country on different operations.
Then there is also downtime involving maintenance etc. Only 80% of not many platforms are available at any time. The Airforce needs a lot more close air aircraft and attack helicopters than they currently have when you look at the size of the NE. There are also aircraft tasked on other missions and as such also not available at your beckon call.

More advanced countries are more successful in responding because they have aircraft available in the air near 24/7 as they have numbers as well as air to air refuelling to keep them airborne for long periods and available to attack when required with Forward Air Controllers always on the ground (I am sure a few people here think a pilot will just show up with his aircraft and immediately know friend from foe).

This is where the Tucano will be helpful with their loiter time as we don't have air to air refuelling to keep aircraft in the air longer. The pilots are getting trained, what we need now are the platforms in significant numbers.

GeneralFarouq:

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Here is a report of the op:

https://www.tv360nigeria.com/special-forces-rescue-four-from-boko-haram/

SamuelAnyawu:


The Army were able to trace and engage them. My guy is out

Your friend, Komekn, didn't celebrate this. Didn't fit his constructive criticism. I pray this flawed planning continues

SamuelAnyawu:



There are no dumb heads here . Everyone cannot have same opinion on same subject matter. Even Papa and son no dey gree sometimes

Let me complete my sentence for you. On this thread, there are some .....gullible people

FieldMarshall06:


Fake news ... rumours... lies ... trash ... absolute garbage... to be believed by uneducated dumb heads. Smh....

Well, on this thread there are some......... .

Odunayaw:
I know what Paras stand for but I don't understand who rka is calling one

Case of mistaken identity . I Should have known better.

komekn:


First of all l have never said l served in the British paras. Indeed l have never mentioned any regiment in that regard.

The British system gives almost clear and open access for the independent media coverage in any of its theatre of operation. Such as in Afghanistan and Iraq.

As a consequence, there is no need for combatants to taking pictures or videos and posting. Nonetheless, the less they still do, it's not neccesarily officially sanctioned and although not advisable it is common.

There has been an intended and or orchestrated restriction on any kind of media reporting in the NE. A near complete media black out unless it is coming from or sanctioned by the NA. Nothing independent.

After 20 years of war in Afghanistan the British army has lost about 500+ combatants. This has been made very public.

Within parliament there are select committees that have oversight function over all the operations of the Armed forces. There is indepth knowledge based scrutiny. That scrutiny includes talking to NCO's officers and top brass in the theatre of operation thier grievances and concerns. Assessment on the efficacy of equipment and best value. What that means is soldiers have a voice.

Combatants can also thier MP and have thier grievances heard at the highest level of government in Parliament and even the house of Lords. Soldiers have a very clear and readily accessible avenue for thier voices to be heard.

I mentioned this ages ago how a mother sued the MOD for negligence and won in court when her son was killed. He was in a vehicle that was not fit for purpose. That means combatants can resort to Litigation. You cannot even dream of that in Nigeria.

In Nigeria not only do our combatants have voice NO VOICE, any minor dissent, or expression of disagreement and or grievances is SMASHED to the ground and you could be facing s court martial under spurious charges.

When the those rust bucket T72 were procured at fantastically over inflated prices. Some junior officers complained about the equipment they were given the usual treatment. Our combatants have learned to SUFFER in Silence and unfortunately even DIE in silence.

To date we have no clear official figures of our casualty rates made public. Our National assembly is simply not interested in ensuring there is compliance and or to question the high casualties in the NE.

The over riding THEME in my comments is best value and most effective use of resources for the best impact delivery.

That approach affect and impacts the lives and ensures the greatest safety of our combatants in the NE. If you think that's unpatriotic calling for standard to be increased and better use of resources.

Then we are from two different planets.

That's why l am livid at the monumental waste and incomprehensible £600 million contract package for 12 turboprop aircraft. Add to that we paid for something in 2018 that will not be completed until 2024. We are in a war and we need assets like yesterday, how ridiculous is that.

Meanwhile our guys are sitting on the backs of dumpster trucks, recover vehicles and low loaders in a battle zone.

The constant sycophantic praise singing and the commendation of outright mediocrity is what is doing our honourable combatants a grave disservice here, not the informed constructive criticism by some.

I will take your word for it that you never served in the British Army . I am not going to go back and forth, but the yellow dumpsters were not being used at that time of the IED episode, so a bit disingenuous of you. Great efforts have been made over the last few years and are being made to provide both locally produced vehicles and imported ones, unless of course you are blinded by politics or whatever makes you tick.

By the way, as things stand, it is over $300m spent so far on the Super Tucano. Deliveries will begin in 2021 after pilots and maintenance personnel have been trained from this summer. Completion of contract is 2024, which includes the whole package not just the aircraft.

komekn:



I don't see anybody on this thread casting aspersions on the junior officers and NCO who put thier lives on the line night and day.

Rather thier is continous commendation for these guys. Who have no VOICE and are called to suffer and die in silence.

However, recently there was perverse condemnation for a soldier who cried out in total frustration. After he lost his colleagues on top of a recovery vehicle in a contested war zone by an IED.

I wonder who is being hypocritical in this context.

And how is your constant criticism helping the soldier? Direct your constant sermons to the appropriate authorities. That soldier's action was as a result of the trauma of warfare. It wasn't professional by any stretch of the imagination and that is why they are not supposed to record footage for social media consumption no matter how much people love it.

Did you go about filming when you were in the paras? (I am giving you the benefit of the doubt that you saw a bit of action) .Would your commanding officer have alliowed you to? The recent documentary about HMS Duncan. When there was the possibility of combat when the ship was directed to the Gulf, where the crew not all required to hand in their mobile phones?

Soldiers get shell shock/PTSD in a lot of conflicts. It isn't necessarily any other persons fault but the plain facts of life being a soldier. All the American and British soldiers suffering at the moment from PTSD due to the conflicts in Iraq & Afghanistan, whose fault? Where they not provided with Gucci kit and vehicles? Didn't they also get blown up? I suppose their commanders were equally all corrupt (depending on whether you are a Democrat or Republican, Tory or Labour, is that not so?)

What is disingenuous here is people pretending they care, when they don't really as there are ulterior motives when you scratch the surface.

They are all busy doing WITHOUT RESERVATION up and down. All what is being said has been said in the past. We decided to encourage the frontline troops who may happen to come across this thread and a few have ed through. This thread is not for the top brass. It is for the military enthusiast to encouarge own troops rather than malign them while you comfortably sleep at home.

Bunch of hypocrites. If it was your chosen person in the presidency, you will be taking a different line. Feel free to create your own thread where you can criticize to your hearts content, but no, it then won't feel like trolling, will it?

GeneralFarouq:
It amzing how pple here call themselves constructive critics and only contribute when the wind of negativity is ing by...

They hide behind the words "constructive criticism" without knowing the meaning. They never have anything positive to say. It is called 'trolling' anywhere else, otherwise why would you come to a thread where we are trying to give to the country's war effort in the NE and the only contribution of certain groups is for the negative every time.

Xbee007:

Who made this?

I think it was Patches689 from SA in those fun days on the Who Has The Strongest Military In Africa thread when we thought we were about to receive the Super Tucano but were blocked by Obama in the GEJ years. SAs used that cartoon to tease us.

LTGEN:

Even that
The infrastructure package I believe comes complete with a simulator (This will be the first aircraft simulator ( combat wise) that NAF will have in Nigeria.

Kainji airbase will be completely transformed with new infrastructure to house the aircraft and all equipment including ammo (inclusive of arming and de-arming apron).

SultanOfAbia:
Look At The Rusty Plane They Sold Us
Something used to fight Ww2 in 1945
Africa is dumping Ground

Just look at the red circle, The rusty Beating that airplane has received

I'm sure you don't know what primer is smh

S400:


the flag look photoshoped no ?

https://mobile.twitter.com/A29SuperTucano

Juchii:


End of last year ? That sounds like a century oo.
I mean they will be driving our new product for more than one year? In fact they should bring it like that even if it is one of them our Engineers will complete the remaining work. We are in hurry bro

They have to train the initial pilots na and they in turn will form the first cadre of instructors. Na which aircraft they go use train them if they deliver am now? The first aircraft is set for mission modification and final testing.

It has been found

giles14:
so we should be expecting its arrival soon

No. They will begin training pilots and maintainers this summer period at Moody Air Force Base in Georgia, USA and then the aircraft will start arriving towards the end of next year when they would have received IOC. Kainji is not even ready yet.

Toju200:
official camo of NAF
I prefer it...

Xbee007:

Looks good.

Yep!

bidex111:



Guy I too dey like you for the breaking news and pictures you they always post.
Looks good with the desert camouflage but would have been better with the light skin-blue color.

I actually don't mind it. Maybe a light blue could have contrasted nicely, but I would like it anyway regardless