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pes2019:


You are carrying out test of existence, without knowing it source or origin.

Death is a reality, have you tested it.


Note: Try to find out the source, that's the difference

The origin of religion stem from the fact that people of old times find it very difficult to accept, "we don't know" or "we don't know yet" as a satisfactory answer to an elusive question. They prefer to just make up something and accept it as the answer. So not knowing the origin of something should not push you to make up an answer or much worse belive a made up answer. It is more intellectually healthy to accept "I don't yet know" as a satisfactory answer.

OKOATA:
I have an astronomy video, the astronaut was videoing how angels were flying across the surface of the earth with the speed of light. I tried looking for the video on YouTube but it has been deleted. Seeing those angels flying gives me that much believe that God exists.

Light travels at an amazing speed of 3.0 × 10Exp08 m/s. If by any means it were possible that an entity was travelling at that speed, it would be impossivle to capture it. What was likely seen was just an astronomical body from outer space.

Mitocyan:
Another thing Christians and people of all other religion need to realize today is that there are so many concepts in their holy books that are borrowed from ancient religions that were in existence before theirs. Even crucial as the birth of Jesus. There was the sun god whose birth story is in close resemblance to the birth of Jesus. And these manuscripts date back before the birth of Jesus. It shouldn't come to you as a surprise that your long held believes were all made up from past stories and white wash to foster wide acceptance.

You really need a lot of reading to do in this your journey.

NuissancePolice:


The bolded is a classic example of the Fallacy of Relevance. Appealing to authority to your argument won't change the position of the fact.

I am not appealing to any authority to my argument, I just mentioned someone u may be looking up to ,someone who comes to mind when we talk of atheists ,but he believed in. God

Mitocyan:

I see people die everyday and you still ask me if I have tested it? Does one need to fall in front of a moving vehicle before he understands that it capable of causing grievous harm?

Lol. Great response. Was just about to ask the same question shortly before I saw that you had done justice to it already

@ Mitcoyan,

If we are going to argue, I don’t do the scattergun approach, let’s pick a subject matter and discuss about it.

Agreed?


You have the privilege of choosing the subject matter.

NuissancePolice:


The bolded is a classic example of the Fallacy of Relevance. Appealing to authority to your argument won't change the position of the fact.

am not appealing to any authority, I just mentioned someone who comes to mind when we talk of atheists but he believed in God

Mitocyan:

I see people die everyday and you still ask me if I have tested it? Does one need to fall in front of a moving vehicle before he understands that it capable of causing grievous harm?


Water is real because if we don't drink water for a month, we would die. Air, though we can't see it is very much real same with infrared Ray's but they are very much testable in the laboratory and their properties determined. The person that first hypothesized their existence came up with testable facts unlike the person that first introduced us to our various religions. He stated the concepts of the religion with no testable facts to but expects us to "just believe" so there is a huge difference.

Then I must say that I don't understand your definition of testable.


But since we don't see air but it's very much real, bro thats the answer I needed at first. You don't see GOD but his existence is sure.


Note: Not knowing the source doesn't make it untrue.


Should in case you want to know the truth, it's just a simple willing prayer before you close your eyes to sleep.

We all are free moral agent.

@NuissancePolice

You say God is not real, care to shed more light on why you think or believe so?

larride:
@ Mitcoyan,

If we are going to argue, I don’t do the scattergun approach, let’s pick a subject matter and discuss about it.

Agreed?


You have the privilege of choosing the subject matter.

Haha. Yeah. Is "Why Christianity is made up" a good enough topic?

larride:
@ Mitcoyan,

If we are going to argue, I don’t do the scattergun approach, let’s pick a subject matter and discuss about it.

Agreed?


You have the privilege of choosing the subject matter.

Can we focus on the 10 questions posted on the OP pls. I would really need answers to any of them.

NuissancePolice:


The bolded is a classic example of the Fallacy of Relevance. Appealing to authority to your argument won't change the position of the fact.

am not appealing to any authority, I just mentioned someone who comes to mind when we talk of atheists but he believed in God,
let me ask you,: are miracles natural occurrence??

Eagleboney:
am not appealing to any authority, I just mentioned someone who comes to mind when we talk of atheists but he believed in God

Do you have any answers to any of the 10 quesrions raised on the OP?

larride:
@NuissancePolice

You say God is not real, care to shed more light on why you think or believe so?

Sure. I will edit this comment later with my stance. Meanwhile, kindly look through the 10 questions posted.

Modified#

1. God is not real to me because there is no clear cut evidence to the contrary. There is absolutely no reason to believe, just the way you can't come into my house to arrest me with an unverifiable claim that you are a police officer with the jurisdiction to do so. If indeed god existed, then 2000 years is a long time and sufficiently enough for man to come up with atleast a substansive evidence that he exists.

2. These are some of the qualities of God according to christianity.
- Justice
- All seeing and all knowing
- All powerful

Problem: If God exists, then the aforementioned must be felt on earth. Till date, there is no single evidence of God's influence on humanity given that injustice, sicknesses etc is ever increasing. I think raising the entire 10 issues on the OP would not have been necessary if indeed God exerts some level of influence to show he exists.

Cc: larride

pes2019:




Then I must say that I don't understand your definition of testable.


But since we don't see air but it's very much real, bro thats the answer I needed at first. You don't see GOD but his existence is sure.


Note: Not knowing the source doesn't make it untrue.


Should in case you want to know the truth, it's just a simple willing prayer before you close your eyes to sleep.

We all are free moral agent.

Haha, if a simple prayer is the answer, why don't Christian's and muslims agree?

Also "you don't see Superman but his existence is sure". See how ridiculous that sounds?

Mitocyan:

Haha. Yeah. Is "Why Christianity is made up" a good enough topic?

I don’t understand this question kind sir.

Christianity made up? Who made it up?

larride:


I don’t understand this question kind sir.

Christianity made up? Who made it up?

Lol the question is simple enough. Except you are not willing to keep an open mind in which case this intellectual exercise is futile. I'm willing to keep an open mind to your points also.

Christianity is based on the bible. The bible is made up, therefore christianity is made up. It's as simple as that.

Mitocyan:

Haha, if a simple prayer is the answer, why don't Christian's and muslims agree?

Also "you don't see Superman but his existence is sure". See how ridiculous that sounds?

I never made mention of Christians nor Muslim,
Just answer the needed.

Why 90% atheist believe in God

NuissancePolice:


Do you have any answers to any of the 10 quesrions raised on the OP?

There are a lot of miracles in this era,my friend who is a die hard aspiring astronaut and astrologer was in doubts like u before ,
I surely guess you believe in the existence of diabolic elements like witches attack and traditional gods like amadioha and co

pes2019:


I never made mention of Christians nor Muslim,
Just answer the needed.

Why 90% atheist believe in God

Please where is the source of this information. It is strange to me. 90% atheist belive in God? Even if true I've seen several hogwash statements of people that claim to be an atheist and belive in God. So it's nothing new. Just some set of people doing stupid things.

Mitocyan:

Haha, if a simple prayer is the answer, why don't Christian's and muslims agree?

Also "you don't see Superman but his existence is sure". See how ridiculous that sounds?

Christian and Muslim agree on what?

If you are conversant with history well, there are some basic fact that you shouldn’t even be contesting.

It is a fact that Jesus came before Mohammed.

Christianity was as a result of Jesus.

Islam was as a result of Mohammed.

Bible is the Holy book of Christians
Quran is the Holy book of Muslims

Because Jesus came before Mohammed, there no record of Mohammed in the Bible, but Jesus was mentioned several times in the Quran.

Both Christian n Muslims agree there’s a Supreme being called God.

Eagleboney:
There are a lot of miracles in this era,my friend who is a die hard aspiring astronaut and astrologer was in doubts like u before ,
I surely guess you believe in the existence of diabolic elements like witches attack and traditional gods like amadioha and co

No nothing like witches. If there were they would have been employed during the civil war. People would have milked cbn dry by now. I don't want to go into the endless scenarios that can arise if they exist. Please those statements are complete rubbish.

larride:


Christian and Muslim agree on what?

If you are conversant with history well, there are some basic fact that you shouldn’t even be contesting.

It is a fact that Jesus came before Mohammed.

Christianity was as a result of Jesus.

Islam was as a result of Mohammed.

Bible is the Holy book of Christians
Quran is the Holy book of Muslims

Because Jesus came before Mohammed, there no record of Mohammed in the Bible, but Jesus was mentioned several times in the Quran.

Both Christian n Muslims agree there’s a Supreme being called God.

Because they are both made up. And one copied from one. I don't want to be explicit here for sanctity sake. But I belive you know which.

Mitocyan:

Lol the question is simple enough. Except you are not willing to keep an open mind in which case this intellectual exercise is futile. I'm willing to keep an open mind to your points also.

Christianity is based on the bible. The bible is made up, therefore christianity is made up. It's as simple as that.

I’m sorry but this is laughable to say the least. Your argument has to be one of the lamest I have heard from atheists (no offense intended pls).

I hope you know the Bible is a record of things that happened and prophecy of things to happen? (Especially Revelation).

Christianity is not based on the Bible. Christianity is based on Jesus Christ. Unless you want to tell me that Jesus is made up also. Is that your argument?

Mitocyan:

Because they are both made up. And one copied from one. I don't want to be explicit here for sanctity sake. But I belive you know which.

So you are saying both Jesus and Mohammed never existed, right?

larride:




I’m sorry but this is laughable to say the least. Your argument has to be one of the lamest I have heard from atheists (no offense intended pls).

I hope you know the Bible is a record of things that happened and prophecy of things to happen? (Especially Revelation).

Christianity is not based on the Bible. Christianity is based on Jesus Christ. Unless you want to tell me that Jesus is made up also. Is that your argument?

Ok seems we are getting somewhere with this. It is looking like you it the bible was not divinely inspired like is famously claimed.

Oh and Jesus says you can thread upon snakes and drink poisons without them hurting you. So can you drink sniper like right now? Since it won't hurt you?

Eagleboney:
I am not appealing to any authority to my argument, I just mentioned someone u may be looking up to ,someone who comes to mind when we talk of atheists ,but he believed in. God

You committed a fallacy of authority and he pointed it out. And why did you assume he is a follower of Darwin? That itself is another fallacy.

Mitocyan:

No nothing like witches. If there were they would have been employed during the civil war. People would have milked cbn dry by now. I don't want to go into the endless scenarios that can arise if they exist. Please those statements are complete rubbish.

U have not witnessed or heard some of their fetish tricks and stunts before,
I don't believe in fetish and diabolic elements, but I strongly believe in the existence of God

larride:


So you are saying both Jesus and Mohammed never existed, right?

Don't get me wrong I meant the religions were made up. And the miracles attributed to them were made up.

pes2019:


I never made mention of Christians nor Muslim,
Just answer the needed.

Why 90% atheist believe in God

@bolded.
Check the meaning of atheist.

Eagleboney:
U have not witnessed or heard some of their fetish tricks and stunts before,
I don't believe in fetish and diabolic elements, but I strongly believe in the existence of God

Because they are all made up hogwash by people that didn't know much. So why do you believe in the existence of God? Has he helped you raise a dead man before?

Mitocyan:

Ok seems we are getting somewhere with this. It is looking like you it the bible was not divinely inspired like is famously claimed.

Oh and Jesus says you can thread upon snakes and drink poisons without them hurting you. So can you drink sniper like right now? Since it won't hurt you?

Like I said, I don’t do scattergun approach. You must be consistent in your argument and even if you want to jump to another thing without first clearing up the basis of our argument.

Do you agree that Jesus existed or not or you believe he was made up? Answer that without dribbling yourself. The answer should be straightforward enough.

@ the bolded, do not bring fallacy into the discussion as it erode whatever intergrity in your words. Where in the Bible did Jesus says “You can thread upon snakes and drink poison without them hurting you”? If you can make the Bible reference, it will be much appreciated.