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davien:
The notion are things are designed correct?...then what tests are done on this notion...that's it....and what margin makes x designed and y not designed...what does or would an undesigned object be like?...these are questions you'd expect from a legitimate stance if intelligent design is a science..

you spend too much time asking questions about the scientific validity of ID... but when called on to discuss the alternative perspective, you label it a stupi.d question.

The notion that things designed will be automatically correct is false... that is an excuse that anti-ID proponents have used for so long. Its like saying that because brilliant engineers designed a car, it must never have a fault and a flawed brake pad is evidence that the car must have evolved on its own.

What tests are done to validate the ID theory? Plenty... has it ever occurred to you how it is possible to carry the genetic code of an entire human in a cell the size of a pin prick or smaller? Has it occurred to you how it is that the DNA comes replete with intricate repair mechanisms that ensure that mutations that could essentially kill you are removed almost within seconds of them occurring?

Asking what an undesigned object would be like is also plainly ridiculous... might as well ask an engineer what a magical car would be like... would it come with wheels?

davien:
The notion are things are designed correct?...

1. then what tests are done on this notion...that's it.

2. and what margin makes x designed and y not designed...


3.what does or would an undesigned object be like?...

these are questions you'd expect from a legitimate stance if intelligent design is a science..

Because you have this conceived idea of life creations are not designed , thats why you are asking 1, 2 and 3 . Are there tests to run to attest that cars , buildings are intellectual designs ?

Explanation of God : If I should ask you , what only condition fails the infinite regression argument

@davidylan pls read the wikipedia page on intelligent design and g8ve me your thoughts on it. Pls its just an honest request, your thoughts on d article is all I need.

anicheibo:
@davidylan pls read the wikipedia page on intelligent design and g8ve me your thoughts on it. Pls its just an honest request, your thoughts on d article is all I need.

Last i checked, wikipedia was not an approved scientific textbook in any serious school. You are aware that wikipedia can be written and edited by anyone right? That you can create a page on intelligent design and write whatever you wish and that it is not a peer-reviewed piece of scientific literature right?

I mean i am troubled by the really poor quality of science here to be honest... if wikipedia is your authority then its a wonder we keep getting this type of circuitous logic.

davidylan:


you spend too much time asking questions about the scientific validity of ID... but when called on to discuss the alternative perspective, you label it a stupi.d question.

Yes it is..

The notion that things designed will be automatically correct is false... that is an excuse that anti-ID proponents have used for so long. Its like saying that because brilliant engineers designed a car, it must never have a fault and a flawed brake pad is evidence that the car must have evolved on its own. [/b] I haven't even begun making "anti-design" arguements yet...i've been asking scientific questions about ID....can it be tested on any of its notions?

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What tests are done to validate the ID theory? Plenty... has it ever occurred to you how it is possible to carry the genetic code of an entire human in a cell the size of a pin prick or smaller? Has it occurred to you how it is that the DNA comes replete with intricate repair mechanisms that ensure that mutations that could essentially kill you are removed almost within seconds of them occurring?

How does carrying human DNA in a tube or pin prick imply DNA is intelligently designed?...

Asking what an undesigned object would be like is also plainly ridiculous... might as well ask an engineer what a magical car would be like... would it come with wheels?

We recognise things that are designed from contrasting undesigned objects.....can you put a car and a sand dune under "intelligent design"

davidylan:


Last i checked, wikipedia was not an approved scientific textbook in any serious school. You are aware that wikipedia can be written and edited by anyone right? That you can create a page on intelligent design and write whatever you wish and that it is not a peer-reviewed piece of scientific literature right?

I mean i am troubled by the really poor quality of science here to be honest... if wikipedia is your authority then its a wonder we keep getting this type of circuitous logic.

this isn't part of d argument,all I asked was your thoughts on d article. Thats not my authority, just asking for your opinion

KingEbukasBlog:


Because you have this conceived idea of life creations are not designed , thats why you are asking 1, 2 and 3 . Are there tests to run to attest that cars , buildings are intellectual designs ?

Explanation of God : If I should ask you , what only condition fails the infinite regression argument

It's that cars don't pop out of the ground like trees but come from factories which you can attest to....or do you see buildings growing naturally?

And is the burden of proof on me for your gods existence?...same logic,same KEB...

anicheibo:

this isn't part of d argument,all I asked was your thoughts on d article. Thats not my authority, just asking for your opinion

I'm not sure but what part of my thoughts on the article did you not get? Wikipedia is not an authoritative source, its as good as having Davien write a treatise on proteins and asking me to comment on it. Waste of my time...

davien:
Yes it is..
We recognise things that are designed from contrasting undesigned objects.....can you put a car and a sand dune under "intelligent design" undecided

So you recognize a car was created by contrasting it with what? A horse? Your laughably simplistic responses are cracking me up here bro.

davien:
It's that cars don't pop out of the ground like trees but come from factories which you can attest to....or do you see buildings growing naturally?

And is the burden of proof on me for your gods existence?...same logic,same KEB...

Its funny how atheists laugh at cars popping out of the ground but have no problem believing (by blind faith of course) that the more complex human who designed that car simply popped out of the ground.

davidylan:


So you recognize a car was created by contrasting it with what? A horse? Your laughably simplistic responses are cracking me up here bro.

Simplicity does not imply folly....and it's contrasted on grounds of naturally occurring....comparison is just another method....either-way it's the way humans classify things....is taxonomy not about contrasting features of organisms to differentiate them....it's simplistic and it works....not like the untestable "all things are designed" assertions ID'ers make

davien:
It's that cars don't pop out of the ground like trees but come from factories which you can attest to....or do you see buildings growing naturally?

And people built those factories that are used to manufacture cars and same for the drawings of how the car should look like . Or do factories naturally produce cars

And is the burden of proof on me for your gods existence?...same logic,same KEB...

So explain how something came out from nothing bringing forth life as we see it

@davidylan you keep using the god of the gaps argument...

davidylan:


Its funny how atheists laugh at cars popping out of the ground but have no problem believing (by blind faith of course) that the more complex human who designed that car simply popped out of the ground.

LMAO! please what was Adam made from? in a desperation to folly me you've made a mockery of your own belief...lol

anicheibo:
@davidylan you keep using the god of the gaps argument...

and you keep insinuating something came from nothing .... and tahdah

Intelligent design is rubbish. Why not just continue and claim that rain is the result of God weeping for humanity? God of the gaps.

I think some people here should have a discussion with real scientists.

The universe you see is a cocktail of many natural mechanisms that make it work.

I believe in God but that doesn't grant me the luxury of believing in pseudo-science.

davien:
LMAO! please what was Adam made from? in a desperation to folly me you've made a mockery of your own belief...lol

you still dont understand infinite regression and the folly of your something-coming-from-nothing THEORY

KingEbukasBlog:


and you keep insinuating something came from nothing .... and tahdah

you keep trolling all day..who said something came from nothing?...he's spotted davidylans trump card....he hides and inserts his god in areas of human ignorance...

KingEbukasBlog:


you still dont understand infinite regression and the folly of your something-coming-from-nothing THEORY

Like i said who here claims that?...

AllNaijaBlogger:
Intelligent design is rubbish. Why not just continue and claim that rain is the result of God weeping for humanity? God of the gaps.

I think some people here should have a discussion with real scientists.

The universe you see is a cocktail of many natural mechanisms that make it work.

I believe in God but that doesn't grant me the luxury of believing in pseudo-science.

Now this is a honest christian...

AllNaijaBlogger:


a---Intelligent design is rubbish. Why not just continue and claim that rain is the result of God weeping for humanity? God of the gaps.

I think some people here should have a discussion with real scientists.

The universe you see is a cocktail of many natural mechanisms that make it work.

b---- I believe in God but that doesn't grant me the luxury of believing in pseudo-science.

I looked at a and b and felt sorry for you

anicheibo:
@davidylan you keep using the god of the gaps argument...

Not really. i keep asking for the science behind your claims that we simply evolved out of nothing and on this planet along... which makes up an inconsequential portion of the universe.

"god of the gaps" may not be a valid argument... "science is still researching" isnt one either... and "just because i say so" is even worse.

davien:
Now this is a honest christian...

Based on? He did not pose a single scientific argument to buttress his point. You simply agree with him because he agrees with you. That is quite weak.

KingEbukasBlog:


I looked at a and b and felt sorry for you

Note that a belief in a god does not imply intelligent design claims that all things are designed...god could have simply ignited the spark and let natural processes take over i.e a deistic god ...

davien:
LMAO! please what was Adam made from? in a desperation to folly me you've made a mockery of your own belief...lol

as usual, when you cant deal with the science - turn to false humor and mockery to cover the yawning intellectual deficit. The bible is neither the topic of discussion neither has it indicated that it is founded on rational science. It is called a faith for a reason.

davien:
Simplicity does not imply folly....and it's contrasted on grounds of naturally occurring....comparison is just another method....either-way it's the way humans classify things....is taxonomy not about contrasting features of organisms to differentiate them....it's simplistic and it works....not like the untestable "all things are designed" assertions ID'ers make

I could not understand this word salad at all.

davidylan:


Based on? He did not pose a single scientific argument to buttress his point. You simply agree with him because he agrees with you. That is quite weak.

He was not speaking on scientific points because ID doesn't have any....i've asked all day for one and all you've told me is that "human DNA can be held in a pin prick- therefore designed

davien:
you keep trolling all day..who said something came from nothing?...

your posts made the suggestion

he's spotted davidylans trump card....he hides and inserts his god in areas of human ignorance...

You still haven't answered davidylan 's question

AllNaijaBlogger:
Intelligent design is rubbish. Why not just continue and claim that rain is the result of God weeping for humanity? God of the gaps.

I think some people here should have a discussion with real scientists.

The universe you see is a cocktail of many natural mechanisms that make it work.

I believe in God but that doesn't grant me the luxury of believing in pseudo-science.

1. I am actually a scientist and have actually done many of the experiments cited here... which is why i laughed when davien claimed that proteins were the building blocks of life. We buy proteins off the shelf all the time, without DNA you do not have a viable cell even if you dumped all the protein you can get into it. But of course, that is the caliber of "scientists" here that we have to deal with.

2. To say the universe is a cocktail of natural mechanisms belies the point - so why is life seeded on earth only but not, say Mars?

3. I believe in God, i believe in science - infact that is my profession, however i dont believe in pseudo-science (which is basically all i have read here from the likes of davien and others).

davidylan:


I could not understand this word salad at all.

Contrasting and differentiating objects is how we understand the world....you claimed simplistic notions like this are funny...yet you're ahem allegedly a biologist who must have contrasted and differentiated a myriad of things...

davien:
you keep trolling all day..who said something came from nothing?...he's spotted davidylans trump card....he hides and inserts his god in areas of human ignorance...

I have barely mentioned God here at all so it seems you are speaking brainlessly. I am simply asking that you provide the science that validates your position, while trying not to make vapid claims like proteins as the building blocks of life.

davien:
Contrasting and differentiating objects is how we understand the world....you claimed simplistic notions like this are funny...yet you're ahem allegedly a biologist who must have contrasted and differentiated a myriad of things...

I didnt say compare and contrast is simplistic... i simply asked you a question - if you believe that a car cannot just pop out of the ground then on what basis do you say a more complex human can? You sidestepped this by laughing at the Adam and Eve strawman you created. shame.