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Dear muslim guy, do u know what plagiarism means? Mohammed was a plagiarist. Copying from the bible but distorting the facts and truths of the scriptures. Mohammed said it was Angel Gabriael who gave him the vision from which he wrote the koran. But the Bible states that Gabriael has been the Angel who announced the birth of Jesus long before he was born, to Isaiah he even gave him a name. Gariael was the one who told Joseph and Mary who Jesus is. He called Jesus the son of God, twice God himself spoke out of heaven claring Jesus to be his SOn. 622 yrs later after Jesus had gone to heaven, that same Angel gabriael comes to Mohamme telling him that jesus is not the son Of God? Can't U deduce for urself that someone is playing games? That jesus was just a prophet that mohammed who. Married a dosen wives including an infant aiysha at the age of 6 and having sex. With her wen she was 9yrs, was the best prophet that ever lived?

Nobleval:
I'd like to remind you that Allah is God,just like Jehovah,Yahweh,Oluwa,Chukwu, e.t.c


Your thread is not worth commenting on,because that's a load of jargons you wrote up there.

ma bro, I can never worship Allah, if tryly Allah is God how come u see Christians as unbelievers. Pls don't ever call ya. Moon god as d same as ma God. Plssssss

You re as confused. As a taliban, as cruel as al queada as foolish as boko haram as useless and wicked as ISIL, ma God is not d same as allah, I repeat I can never worship allah allah no get level. Cos if ya allah dhe sane, u guys for no dhe behave like blood sucking demons. See wad is happening in , islam can never rule dis world even in naija we dominate ya vampires.

Rilwayne001:


I don't have to believe the bible as a whole but the word of God is always different from the word of Man, and with the Quran i can indicate the word of God in the bible.




You've only boycott most of my questions, i expect you to quote me as i have been doing to yours. or you don know how to do it?



Now please make clear the problem that the verse pose for me and malvisguy212 up there, again in malviguy's voice " how can an old woman back a boy of 17years old?



Same can be said of hagar and Ishmael too, they have been influenced to worship the God abraham worshipped **Gen 16:13**she never denied God. Furthermore, God would not promise a pagan the promise he made to Abraham and Hagar on Ishmael.



Where is Paran today mr. Truthman?



The point am trying to make here is that since the father of arabs worship ALLAH, then some of his children will also do, and on and on like that, though the mode of worshipping him might have been lost, thats why you claim that Allah was worshipped as idol in mecca, those who worshipped him as an idol aare ignorant who have somehow lost how their grandfather used to worship him.

Then The Prophet (SAW) came to remind them the GOD of their grandfather.

makhez019:
ma bro, I can never worship Allah, if tryly Allah is God how come u see Christians as unbelievers. Pls don't ever call ya. Moon god as d same as ma God. Plssssss

owk dokey,suit yourself dude,I've got no time for this now.

Teaching # 5: Verse 65.4 -- Allah's teaching of pedophilia
Quran 65:4 says:
"And those of your women as have ed the age of monthly courses, for them the 'Iddah (prescribed divorce period), if you have doubts (about their periods), is three months,and for those who have no courses [(i.e. they are still immature) their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is three months likewise, except in case of death]. And for those who are pregnant (whether they are divorced or their husbands are dead), their 'Iddah (prescribed period) is until they deliver (their burdens) (give birth) and whosoever fears Allah and keeps his duty to Him, He will make his matter easy for him."
The most important duty of any species is the care and protection of its young. The prime duty of mankind is to raise children in a safe and caring environment, so they can progress into responsible adults. There is no worse crime than the sexual abuse and exploitation of children. But verse 65:4 clearly approves marriages and sexual Reproduction with pre-pubescent little girls, who haven't started menstruating yet. And Muhammad at the age of 50 duly complied with this sanction of Allah by marrying Aisha, only 6 years old. Mohammed was the original paedophile.
I reject it, ma God is not a God of child abuse, not a God dat ask his people to marry crowd.

truthman2012:


My friend my daughter's testimony is a lie to you because Muhammad could not do miracles, so every miracle is a lie. Smh!

Your daughter hanging in the sky is a miracle? to show what to us please? how many people were hanged in the sky during the time of jesus?. kindly complete the tlstory for us, what happened after your daughter was hanged?

Jesus said if you have faith you would perform much more than what he did, so how many blind eyehave you opened with your faith? how many dead man have you risen from dead? have you ever walk on the sea as jesus allegedly did? if you have'nt done any of these, then know thar you are fo0ling yourself about your daughtwr and not anyone here.

Now that I have proved to you that Paran is in Israel where Moses addressed his people(Deut 1:1).

You have'nt prove anything, perhaps you can provide evidence for us all to see that Paran is located in Israel. I actually ignored this earlier on because i see that you have once again displayed your ignorance, and i am not your teacher to teach you things you do not know everyday.

According to wikipedia:
It is not certain precisely where the wilderness of Paran is to be located. It is often associated with Mount Sinai in Egypt,and there is some evidence that it may originally have referred to the southern portion of the Sinai Peninsula .

Both Eusebius (in his Onomasticon, a Bible dictionary) and Jerome reported that Paran was a city in Paran desert, in Arabia Deserta (beyond Arabia Nabataea), southeast of Eilat Pharan. Onomasticon , under Pharan, states: "(Now) a city beyond Arabia ading the desert of the Saracens [who wander in the desert] through which the children or Israel went moving (camp) from Sinai. Located (we say) beyond Arabia on the south, three days journey to the east of Aila (in the desert Pharan) where Scripture affirms Ismael dwelled, whence the Ishmaelites. It is said (we read) also that (king) Chodollagomor cut to pieces those in 'Pharan which is in the desert'."

Eusebius' mention of Chodollagomor here refers to a possible earlier mention of Paran in Genesis 14:6, which states that as he and the other kings allied with him were campaigning in the region of Sodom and Gomorrah, they smote "the Horites in their mount Seir , unto El-paran, which is by the wilderness." (KJV) Sebeos , the Armenian Bishop and historian, describing the Arab conquest of his time, wrote that the Arabs "assembled and came out from Paran "

These^^^ are tradititions that are bot even Arab oo. Now lets see the Arab traditions.

The Arab geographer Al-Muqaddasi mentioned in his book that the Red Sea branches into two "at the extremity of al- Hijaz at a place called Faran".

[img]http://en.m.wikipedia.org/w/index.php?title=Special:ZeroRatedMobileAccess&from=Desert_of_Paran&to=/wiki/File:Hejaz-English.jpg[/img]
Approximate extent of Hejaz , equated with Paran in Arabic and Muslim traditions.

The association of Paran in Genesis 21:21 with Ishmael and the Ishmaelites is affirmed by the Muslim geographer Yaqut al-Hamawi who writes "Faran, an arabized Hebrew word, one of the names of Mecca mentioned in the Bible."" [7] Muslim and Arabic traditions hold that the wilderness of Paran is,broadly speaking, the Hejaz, the northern half of Tihamah, stretching along the east side of the Red Sea starting from Jordan and Sinai,[8] and that the specific site where Ishmael settled is that of Mecca, near the mountains of Paran. [9][10][11][12

The "Desert of Paran" is also interpreted as Hijaz in an old Arabic translation of the Samaritan Bible. [13] When it was translated into English in 1851, it was found to include a footnote making this interpretation.

The name 'Paran' or 'Faran' has often been used to refer specifically to the wilderness and mountains near where Mecca is situated. [14] al-Hamdani in his book Geography of the Arabic Peninsula [u] says that the Paran mountains around Mecca were named after Paran son of Amalek .[15] Sam'ni in his Book of Surnames also says that the surname Farani is derived from the Faran mountains near Mecca in Hijaz.

According to Wahb ibn Munabbih , there was a Tal Faran ("Hill of Faran" on the outskirts of Mecca, mentioned in his book Kitab al-Tijan , a Pre-Islamic Arabic folklore compilation. [7] Ibn Munabbih further suggested an identification for Tal Faran as the 'mound of the Two runaways', a place where the Jurhum tribe found Hagar and Ishmael and thought of them as two runaways.

According to Immanuel Velikovsky, "the desert of Pharan according to the old Arabian sources, neglected by Biblical research, is in the mountainous area of Hedjaz". [18][19] He identified the biblical Kadesh Barnea in the Paran desert with Mecca in the Hejaz desert[19][20]
http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Desert_of_Paran

Anyone reading the above will agree with me that Paran is either in Mecca or very close to mecca and not in Israel as claimed by prof. truthman.

Abraham lived and died in Israel (Gen. 25:8-10),

Of course

Ishmael lived and died in Israel (Gen. 25:17-18),

Possibly Paran and Paran is not in israel, is it?

they never stepped in Mecca, Muslims claim of them establishing islam in Mecca is false. Islam has nothing to do with Abraham and Ishmael.

Wether they step into mecca or not, their children did and their children in one way or the other have been influenced by their father, even though thry later lost the mode of worship, yet they didnt forget the name of the God their father and their G father worshipped. this has been the point have been trying to to your stiffnecked head.

We see in the Psalm talk mecca in the OT and also about the pilgrimage, that is blessed be them
Psalm 84:5-6 Blessed are those whose strength is in you, who have set their hearts on pilgrimage. As they through the Valley of Baca, they make it a place of springs: the autumn rains also cover it with pools. (NIV)

makhez019:
[s] You re as confused. As a taliban, as cruel as al queada as foolish as boko haram as useless and wicked as ISIL, ma God is not d same as allah, I repeat I can never worship allah allah no get level. Cos if ya allah dhe sane, u guys for no dhe behave like blood sucking demons. See wad is happening in , islam can never rule dis world even in naija we dominate ya vampires. [/s]

butth.urt

Anas09:
That Muslim guy has succeeded in shifting attention from the main point. What is Islam? Who really is Allah? Did allah preceed mnohamed or Allah revealed himself to Mohammed as jehovah did with Abraham?

Are you referring to me?

michaelwestern:


Why are you ing muslims when you claim to not believe in the existense of God? Can you now see that your hatred is towards the bible God not that you dont believe in God.

A Muslim schooled him in his own bible and I pointed it out, you accuse me of ing Muslims?

OK... Sorry for being honest. Let me lie so that all u Christians will be happy


Rilwane didn't debunk him... Intact rilwane got his point from a novel in my house and claimed it was the bible. Ishmeal left his fathers child as an infant and he never ed iseaac in burying their father. The was right after all, all those pointw rilwane raised where lies.

Are u Christians happy now.


Ohhh my!!!!! How the hell was I ever a Christian? I must have been one hell of a crazy dude.

Nobleval:
owk dokey,suit yourself dude,I've got no time for this now.

bro, d sooner ya realise dat ya religion is dat of prison d better for ya. open y ya eyes. pray ya see d lite so ya shall be free from slavery

makhez019:
bro, d sooner ya realise dat ya religion is dat of prison d better for ya. open y ya eyes. pray ya see d lite so ya shall be free from slavery

since am a christian that means that christianity is a religion of prison? Good.,

Nobleval:
since am a christian that means that christianity is a religion of prison? Good.,

d religion na islam, so if ya not islam cool buh if ya re wad I wrote still stands

Seriously malvisguy i am disappointed... Ur posts are very disappointing and lacks every bit of intellectual cobstruction...SMH

johnydon22:
Seriously malvisguy i am disappointed... Ur posts are very disappointing and lacks every bit of intellectual cobstruction...SMH

You don't expect him to reason the way you do, you do not have the same spirit. The word of God is foolishness to carnal people.

truthman2012:


You don't expect him to reason the way you do, you do not have the same spirit. The word of God is foolishness to carnal people.

lolz spirit huh? No it is brain not spirit.. We do not have the same brain...

When will you learn to coexist in peace and love. All these 'my god is better than your god' comments will do more harm than good. If you want others to respect your beliefs and God, do not go around destroying what others believe in. If you believe your 'God' is superior, allow 'Him/Her' to prove the superiority without human intervention.
The most important thing for everyone, theist and non-theist, is respect and love. Preach the love of your 'God', leave the jugdement aspect to 'Him/Her'. Only the animals in the jungle will kill other animals for food, animals don't even kill for fun. All the bickering must stop, all these insulting comments and cartoons must end, protect your beliefs but don't trample on or insult the beliefs of others. Let us create a better world for our children, let us our hands together to make this world a better place for everyone.

tangled:
When will you learn to coexist in peace and love. All these 'my god is better than your god' comments will do more harm than good. If you want others to respect your beliefs and God, do not go around destroying what others believe in. If you believe your 'God' is superior, allow 'Him/Her' to prove the superiority without human intervention.
The most important thing for everyone, theist and non-theist, is respect and love. Preach the love of your 'God', leave the jugdement aspect to 'Him/Her'. Only the animals in the jungle will kill other animals for food, animals don't even kill for fun. All the bickering must stop, all these insulting comments and cartoons must end, protect your beliefs but don't trample on or insult the beliefs of others. Let us create a better world for our children, let us our hands together to make this world a better place for everyone.

This is a good moral advice but will terrorists heed it?

johnydon22:
Seriously malvisguy i am disappointed... Ur posts are very disappointing and lacks every bit of intellectual cobstruction...SMH

you are disappointed at me? For what? The op make a claimed and the thread was on page four, no one respond with a better answer. He is a Muslim and his claimed was that Allah send the quran to muhammed, will allah send an uncompleted book? What the quran say about the mother of ishmael? You guys are soo bias.

Allah send a book that carry the same story of another book which was written by men,ask your self. " this men have knowledge than Allah that there story was accurate than Allah story?

malvisguy212:
you are disappointed at me? For what? The op make a claimed and the thread was on page four, no one respond with a better answer. He is a Muslim and his claimed was that Allah send the quran to muhammed, will allah send an uncompleted book? What the quran say about the mother of ishmael? You guys are soo bias.

Allah send a book that carry the same story of another book which was written by men,ask your self. " this men have knowledge than Allah that there story was accurate than Allah story?

The truth is both the bible and koran were written by men no deity or spirit was involved no matter how much people try to believe it... tho koran copied heavily from the bible same way some part of bible were copied from more ancient texts

Rilwayne001:


Using question to answer question, is that what they thought in you in school? oh! sorry, i have forgotten that you have'nt written your O'levels .

See enh, if you are writing your WAEC, you are expected to answer questions and not to question the questions given to you. If you don't have answer to questions, you either skip it or write 'i don't avan idea' hehehe

LOL ;d

truthman2012:


This is a good moral advice but will terrorists heed it?

They won't obviously but will Christian evangelists leave others to their beliefs and quit verbal attacks nd emotional blackmail?

macof:


They won't obviously but will Christian evangelists leave others to their beliefs and quit verbal attacks nd emotional blackmail?

Leave them to their belief so that they can continue in their atrocities? Would you be saying this if they have cut of your hands or legs or chopped off your neck? It is the truth that the spirit of islam dwells in atheists and pagans, otherwise, why the for evil?

truthman2012:


Leave them to their belief so that they can continue in their atrocities? Would you be saying this if they have cut of your hands or legs or chop off your neck?

Who would do d chopping? Am talking abt Christians leaving traditional beliefs alone..stop attacking us in ur churches nd going to the street with large microphone disturbing the public nd discouraging people from their ancestral heritage

macof:


Who would do d chopping? Am talking abt Christians leaving traditional beliefs alone..stop attacking us in ur churches nd going to the street with large microphone disturbing the public nd discouraging people from their ancestral heritage

Muslims do the chopping and if you keep encouraging them it will be on the increase. Don't you hear muslims shouting allau akbar all the time from as early as 5am? That one doesn't disturb the public but the church, abi? In the 70s muslims attacked 'egungun' worshipers in Ajegunle, Lagos and last year they attacked them in Ada in Osun. Yet they are not disturbing you.

tangled:
If you believe your 'God' is superior, allow 'Him/Her' to prove the superiority without human intervention.
.

LOL. Fine girl, you get plenty hope sha. These Gods can only do those things within the pages of the holy books. That's why we have so many Gods. They are even more worthless than soiled toilet paper.

That's also why we have a religious section on Nairaland. Human beings come here to defend the omnipotent creator of the universe from the accusations of other human beings. God doesn't have a name here. Only human beings.

Allah and Jesus are equally [size=14pt]powerless[/size]. I can defeat them both in an arm wrestling contest.

Weah96:
Allah and Jesus are equally [size=14pt]powerless[/size]. I can defeat them both in an arm wrestling contest.

A mortal man with a few days on earth. Smh!

truthman2012:


A mortal man with a few days on earth. Smh!

Everyone has a few days on earth. Get your mind right.

Weah96:


Everyone has a few days on earth. Get your mind right.

A man was about dying and a lady preached Jesus to him. He moaned 'no' in anger. Then the lady discovered the man must have been under demonic influence and she shouted ''demon leave in Jesus name''. The man burst in tears and requested the lady to pray for him to get to heaven and he gave his life to Jesus. What a lucky man! I pray the demon in you will leave for God's words to have meaning to you.

truthman2012:


A man was about dying and a lady preached Jesus to him. He moaned 'no' in anger. Then the lady discovered the man must have been under demonic influence and she shouted ''demon leave in Jesus name''. The man burst in tears and requested the lady to pray for him to get to heaven and he gave his life to Jesus. What a lucky man! I pray the demon in you will leave for God's words to have meaning to you.

Allah people have made similar promises. We shall see.

truthman2012:


Muslims do the chopping and if you keep encouraging them it will be on the increase. Don't you hear muslims shouting allau akbar all the time from as early as 5am? That one doesn't disturb the public but the church, abi? In the 70s muslims attacked 'egungun' worshipers in Ajegunle, Lagos and last year they attacked them in Ada in Osun. Yet they are not disturbing you.

Of course the muslims are retarded and Islam should be made an international crime but christianity is not innocent, both religions are for mad people

macof:


Of course the muslims are retarded and Islam should be made an international crime but christianity is not innocent, both religions are for mad people

Tell me where you see Christians killing people of other religions for converting to Christianity.