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Lanretoye:
If you die you will know,it was until you came to life that you know that you have been inside the womb

Exactly... I'm wise enough to know I have no memories of life in my mother's womb. I don't recall anything from in there(the womb). If I died immediately after birth, I'd likely become inactive like I was in the womb. I think the same applies to anyone who dies, regardless of age (old or young)you return to a state of non-existence, just like in the womb just before birth.

sonmvayina:


He is not disproving that fact...
See Ecclesiastics 12:7

He actually is. He said people do not really die. How does that align with the Bible verse you gave here? It's complete contradiction to it.
Eccl 12:7 said we return to dust at death while spirit (breath of life) returns to the Giver.
Oga, read your Bible very well. Dust and breath of God made man a living soul. The breath of God is not you. Once it leaves you, you're back to what you were before you had it, dust! How hard is that to understand?
This teaching of a soul floating around after death is satanic and it was the first lie told to man by the devil.
Jesus is our only hope of resurrection and the plan of salvation was already in motion immediately after the fall of man.
You already rendered the second coming of Christ useless if you think people still live after death. Pray tell, what's the point of Christ second coming? To raise people who were never dead? Jeez!!

emoboy4u:
So Christians do not have a unanimous documentation of what happens after death?

Because na different story tellers write bible and they don't have Same understanding of the so called bible yet they claim the holy spirit ministers to them ...

FARA4GA:
To know where we are going when we die ...we must first answer where we were before we were born ....... NO ONE KNOWS

Exactly... I'm wise enough to know I have no memories of life in my mother's womb. I don't recall anything from in there. If I died immediately after birth, I'd likely become inactive like I was in the womb. I think the same applies to anyone who dies, regardless of age - you return to a state of non-existence, just like before birth.

chieveboy:


We go beyond faith to knowing. A knower needs not believe. They know that they know.

Belief is faithlesslessnes and ignorance. Faith is belief in what you don't know.

Knowing is experience, knowledge and understanding.

This realities are not a religious or faith thing

Sounds like you've read Otem's book.

chieveboy:


Yea, in the sense that we are given it at school to study to become doctors, chemists, astrology, biology, etc.

So what do you study the Bible to become?

UnknownQueen:


So are u saying you're the reincarnate of your ancestors?

If yes how come you don't the former
things ?

Just as you dream and when you wake you forget instantly or someone who came back from coma and doesn't anything is the reason why we can't . Our brains are formatted in the cosmic.

OKOATA:
Just as you dream and when you wake you forget instantly or someone who came back from coma and doesn't anything is the reason why we can't . Our brains are formatted in the cosmic.

But most of the times we dream, we some of the activities that played out in the dream world, how come u can't anything at all about your former life!

MrPresident1:


So what do you study the Bible to become?

Actually, it was a joke on you.

Since you claimed it is a standard for truth but cannot study it to discover or examine truths around reality which man calls physics, chemistry, etc...

geoworldedu:


Sounds like you've read Otem's book.

I really haven't

DeOTR:

He actually is. He said people do not really die. How does that align with the Bible verse you gave here? It's complete contradiction to it.
Eccl 12:7 said we return to dust at death while spirit (breath of life) returns to the Giver.
Oga, read your Bible very well. Dust and breath of God made man a living soul. The breath of God is not you. Once it leaves you, you're back to what you were before you had it, dust! How hard is that to understand?
This teaching of a soul floating around after death is satanic and it was the first lie told to man by the devil.
Jesus is our only hope of resurrection and the plan of salvation was already in motion immediately after the fall of man.
You already rendered the second coming of Christ useless if you think people still live after death. Pray tell, what's the point of Christ second coming? To raise people who were never dead? Jeez!!

That breath is the same image and likeness as God, you sure did miss that point.
So it was God living within the body made of dust that brought it to life. When it leaves, it is still God.....no difference. It is pure and does not need to be saved from anything.
If It has not completed it purpose that God intended, it can be sent again.....and again.

So, I don't really know what your j-man is came to do and is coming back again to do? If anything is demonic, it is the idea of God impregnating another man's wife.....

chieveboy:


Actually, it was a joke on you.

Since you claimed it is a standard for truth but cannot study it to discover or examine truths around reality which man calls physics, chemistry, etc...

Is it Nelkon or Ababio or PN Okeke they use to swear in incoming Presidents of America? Greatest nation on earth, bastion of Physics Chemistry Biology and all sciences and technology

Such simple simplicity from you

UnknownQueen:


But most of the times we dream, we some of the activities that played out in the dream world, how come u can't anything at all about your former life!

Do you all your dreams. Stop capping lies.

MrPresident1:


Is it Nelkon or Ababio or PN Okeke they use to swear in incoming Presidents of America? Greatest nation on earth, bastion of Physics Chemistry Biology and all sciences and technology

You may be unaware of something called "Social Sciences".

Such simple simplicity from you

I think you want to refer to the above

chieveboy:


I really haven't

But your ideology is same as what he has in his BOOK OF UNIVERSAL HISTORY. How is that possible?

chieveboy:


They mostly go to the next place they frequent in their dreams.

Dreaming is technically death. We as souls cannot die and cannot sleep.

To exist on a material world, we wear a material body which helps us make with physical things.

While this is useful, it is also a handicap. We cannot through walls, talk to one another from distances, see the future, etc.

We however do escape the body while it is sleeping. We wake up and call our visitation of diverse planets and dimensions " dreams".

Dreams or OBEs are prove that people do not really die.

What about those who hardly experience dreaming?...

correctguy101:


What about those who hardly experience dreaming?...

Yea, it is not written on stone that it is only where they frequent in their dreams that they go to. They may make a brief stop there and proceed depending on several factors like having an adventuresome spirit . For instance, those who dream and frequent a place often do not know that they are dead, they just find themselves in the familiar place and participate 'like' nothing happened. The whole thing seems natural and too fast for some of them depending on how they chose to bow out.

For those who do not dream, everyone must go somewhere be it hanging around the physical and physical people, and even trying to take hold of their bodies to continue living again in as a human.

Danisaint112:


Dude I don't care what you think about this, but naturally your brain dies with your body so naturally the thinking Factor is gone. You automatically seize to exist.

And it's not even something you call being unconscious it's far beyond that or anything you can fathom (beyond human reasoning).

It's just like having that weird thought; what if, just what if nothing actually existed? God never existed? Your brain goes blank immediately.

Imagine when you die and the brain dies with the body. May I ask, what does the dreaming please?

Don't give me superstitious beliefs just be factual that's all I ask.

chieveboy:


What is your question?

My question is the last bolded statement. What does the dreaming?

Danisaint112:




My question is the last bolded statement. What does the dreaming?

Okay

They mostly go to the next place they frequent in their dreams.

Dreaming is technically death. We as souls cannot die and cannot sleep.

To exist on a material world, we wear a material body which helps us make with physical things.

While this is useful, it is also a handicap. We cannot through walls, talk to one another from distances, see the future, etc.

We however do escape the body while it is sleeping. We wake up and call our visitation of diverse planets and dimensions " dreams".

Dreams or OBEs are prove that people do not really die.

There you have it. In bold.

chieveboy:



Okay

There you have it. In bold.

You are just confusing yourself. The last statement proves you don't know what you are saying. People actually die and become unaware of their environment.

You have no fact to prove this but I have given you a fact that the brain is responsible for the dreams you have and when it does die you dream no more.

You have right there fellas is a theory. Likely atheist ⚛️ kind of theory to console yourself of being spiritually aware of your environment when you die.

Danisaint112:


You are just confusing yourself. The last statement proves you don't know what you are saying. People actually die and become unaware of their environment.

You have no fact to prove this but I have given you a fact that the brain is responsible for the dreams you have and when it does die you dream no more.

You have right there fellas is a theory. Likely atheist ⚛️ kind of theory to console yourself of being spiritually aware of your environment when you die.

Sorry just provide me the "prove" you speak for once again please.. I just need to be sure.

chieveboy:



Sorry just provide me the "prove" you speak for once again please.. I just need to be sure.

Dreams are 100% a brain function—generated by neural activity in regions like the brainstem and cortex during sleep (check REM studies). No brain, no dreams, period. If you want more ‘facts,’ read up on neuroscience. I don't have time to start educating you on this. I'm done here. Have a great day.

sonmvayina:


That breath is the same image and likeness as God, you sure did miss that point.
So it was God living within the body made of dust that brought it to life. When it leaves, it is still God.....no difference. It is pure and does not need to be saved from anything.
If It has not completed it purpose that God intended, it can be sent again.....and again.

So, I don't really know what your j-man is came to do and is coming back again to do? If anything is demonic, it is the idea of God impregnating another man's wife.....

The breath is not the same and doesn't have the likeness of God. You're not making any sense. The breath just gave life, it doesn't translate to God possessing you Oga. Learn the difference.

DeOTR:

The breath is not the same and doesn't have the likeness of God. You're not making any sense. The breath just gave life, it doesn't translate to God possessing you Oga. Learn the difference.

Let us go back again shall we...

Genesis 1:26
26 And God said, "Let us make man in our image, after our likeness, and they shall rule over the fish of the sea and over the fowl of the heaven and over the animals and over all the earth and over all the creeping things that creep upon the earth."


Did you understand the bolded? Or do I draw you a picture?

DeOTR:

The breath is not the same and doesn't have the likeness of God. You're not making any sense. The breath just gave life, it doesn't translate to God possessing you Oga. Learn the difference.

See the concluding part

Genesis 2: 7

7 And the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul.


Man is a living soul made up of body from the earth(ground) and God's spirit.
The body is same image and likeness as the ground(that is earth) and the spirit is same image and likeness as God...

Do you understand?
After man "dies" the body is buried and it becomes one with the earth. And the spirit returns to God and becomes one with it. If it has not completed his mission, it can be sent again....
5 When I had not yet formed you in the womb, I knew you, and when you had not yet emerged from the womb, I had appointed you; a prophet to the nations I made you...... jerimah 1:5

geoworldedu:


Sounds like you've read Otem's book.

Where's that guy btw? Is he still around? I when a chosen member with the moniker " Goddys" challenged him and cursed him with poverty. The curse didn't work. Lol. Those were fun days. 😂😂😂
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sonmvayina:


We are souls..we don't have a soul.
Soul = body made from dust+ God's spirit or breath.
It is the body that is buried.
The spirit of God can go to the next phase of life on come back to this earth. Depending where he merits. The whole idea is to be like God. And God dwells in the 7th heaven. The earth is the 3rd.

Man made doctrine? Where is your authority

sonmvayina:


See the concluding part

Genesis 2: 7

7 And the Lord God formed man of dust from the ground, and He breathed into his nostrils the soul of life, and man became a living soul.


Man is a living soul made up of body from the earth(ground) and God's spirit.
The body is same image and likeness as the ground(that is earth) and the spirit is same image and likeness as God...

Do you understand?
After man "dies" the body is buried and it becomes one with the earth. And the spirit returns to God and becomes one with it. If it has not completed his mission, it can be sent again....
5 When I had not yet formed you in the womb, I knew you, and when you had not yet emerged from the womb, I had appointed you; a prophet to the nations I made you...... jerimah 1:5

There was no additional entity created as soul. Man became a living soul and we have read elsewhere that the soul that sinneth shall die. Ezekiel 18:4

Lazarus was brought back from life. That scripture is binding on those who stayed died.

As for Jman, HE never died in that sense, for he went down under and conquered death itself. And He'd be coming back the Judge the living and the dead

sonmvayina:


What about Lazarus?.........and jman?

Lutherblaq:

What is This OBE?

The acronym "OBE" refers to Out-of-Body Experience. This is a phenomenon in which a person perceives the world as if from a location outside their physical body. It's often described as a sensation of consciousness leaving the body, allowing the individual to look down at themselves or view the world from a different vantage point. OBEs can be spontaneous or occur in various contexts, such as near-death experiences, sleep, meditation, or under the influence of certain substances. From a scientific perspective, psychologists and neuroscientists typically consider OBEs to be dissociative experiences rooted in psychological and neurological factors.

correctguy101:


What about those who hardly experience dreaming?...

You don't dream?