NewStats: 3,262,062 , 8,175,990 topics. Date: Saturday, 31 May 2025 at 04:55 PM pb4o

Arielle:

Thank you. They're terrified that their bread and butter will be stopped. Democracy is a bad joke. Politicians are the worst misfortune that has befallen Nigeria. We have been taken back several decades and whatever values we had have been completely erroded by these evil, thieving demons and their underlings. But the time is coming. And it will come. It is either we find a system that actually works, with competent LEADERS, who will move this country forward, to the benefit of ALL, or we rip it all apart and everyone can go their own way. We cannot guaratee a future for the young ones in this country, yet some imps want us to pretend like all is well.

So if democracy is bad , what do you advocate for

Proudlyngwa:


So if democracy is bad , what do you advocate for

Military president
Civilian vice president..

Lol

naptu2:
People are posting all kinds of things on Nairaland and calling for military rule.

Isn't that funny?

Do they think that they would have been able to post the things that they are currently posting if we were under military rule? Do they know what would have happened to them?

Anyway, to many Nigerians the grass is always greener on the other side. Everything is always better than what they are going through. Military rule will always be better than democracy when they are in a democracy and democracy will be better than military rule when they are under military rule.

They can't see farther than today.

Sir,what is the purpose of Democracy if the standard of living of the citizenry is very poor?

Freedom of speech does not put food on the table.

Even the countries that consider themselves as the bastions of democracy are crumbling before our very eyes

IHate9jerianss:


Sir,what is the purpose of Democracy if the standard of living of the citizenry is very poor?

Freedom of speech does not put food on the table.

Wonderful! So it is democracy that makes the standard of living high? So standard of living cannot be poor under military rule??

Wonderful!

naptu2:


Wonderful! So it is democracy that makes the standard of living high? So standard of living cannot be poor under military rule??

Wonderful!

Standard of living of the people under different democratic dispensations in Nigeria have always been poor.
There has never been an improvement.Instead, it has gotten worse under every istration mostly due to the neo-liberal capitalist policies forced unto our Govts by foreign western powers.
Before the advent of the democratic Govt in 1999,one of the major promises back then of the gains of democratic rule was the people's standard of living would improve.
Has it? Certainly not.
Is it freedom of speech the average citizen will feed on? Or tangible economic improvement of their lives?

IHate9jerianss:


Standard of living of the people under different democratic dispensations in Nigeria have always been poor.
There has never been an improvement.Instead, it has gotten worse under every istration mostly due to the neo-liberal capitalist policies forced unto our Govts by foreign western powers.
Before the advent of the democratic Govt in 1999,one of the major promises back then of the gains of democratic rule was the people's standard of living would improve.
Has it? Certainly not.
Is it freedom of speech the average citizen will feed on? Or tangible economic improvement of their lives?

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You are running away from my question.

Nigeria was under military rule in the 1980s and SAP was implemented. People said that the standard of living was poor and SAP was sapping people. Various slangs appeared. People were on level 101, level 010, etc.

If you are too young to know, then I'll spell it out for you, level 101 meant that people ate breakfast, did not eat lunch and ate dinner. Level 010 meant that people only ate lunch.

This was under military rule in the 1980s

Once again (and don't run away from the questions)

So it is democracy that makes the standard of living high? So standard of living cannot be poor under military rule??

It's like someone arguing that, "I wore my sweater, so I should not get wet from the rain". How does wearing your sweater prevent you from getting wet from the rain?

naptu2:


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You are running away from my question.

Nigeria was under military rule in the 1980s and SAP was implemented. People said that the standard of living was poor and SAP was sapping people. Various slangs appeared. People were on level 101, level 010, etc.

If you are too young to know, then I'll spell it out for you, level 101 meant that people ate breakfast, did not eat lunch and ate dinner. Level 010 meant that people only ate lunch.

This was under military rule in the 1980s

Once again (and don't run away from the questions)

So it is democracy that makes the standard of living high? So standard of living cannot be poor under military rule??

I will turn 39 in August 2025.
I can categorically tell you,standard of living was much better under military rule.
There was fuel scarcity (first saw a queue at a fuel station in 1994) ,harassment & imprisonment of journalists (TELL magazine etc) and rampant corruption BUT standard of living of the average Nigerian was better.
I began to notice how extremely poor Nigerians were becoming around 2001 and the situation has only become worse.

IHate9jerianss:


I will turn 39 in August 2025.
I can categorically tell you,standard of living was much better under military rule.
There was fuel scarcity (first saw it in 1994) ,harassment & imprisonment of journalists (TELL magazine etc) and rampant corruption BUT standard of living of the average Nigerian was better.
I began to notice how extremely poor Nigerians were becoming around 2001 and the situation has only become worse.

39 is not old enough to know how things were under military rule. Did you witness the currency slump of 1986? How old were you during the SAP riots of 1988? How old were you during the SAP riots of 1989??

You have still not answered my question. How does military rule guarantee a higher standard of living??

Did you at any time witness when the naira was stronger than the dollar? Do you know when the dollar became stronger than the naira? When cartoonists drew the picture of the dollar punching the naira in a boxing ring.

Do you know when Kingsway shut down? What about Leventis and the cinemas?

naptu2:


39 is not old enough to know how things were under military rule. Did you witness the currency slump of 1986? How old were you during the SAP riots of 1988? How old were you during the SAP riots of 1989??

You have still not answered my question. How does military rule guarantee a higher standard of living??

It doesnt but from my lived experience of both systems of rule,it seems much better than whatever is being practiced in Nigeria today which clearly isn't working (especially economically) for the generality of the citizenry

This reminds me of the MMM debate on this same Nairaland.

Government is bad, therefore MMM.

How?

IHate9jerianss:


It doesnt but from my lived experience of both systems of rule,it seems much better than whatever is being practiced in Nigeria today which clearly isn't working (especially economically) for the generality of the citizenry

That's the point. You don't know what you are talking about.

We've had bad economy under military rule and we've had bad economy under democracy.

The only difference is that you have a better chance of doing something about it under democracy and you have absolutely no chance of doing anything about it under military rule and people will die. Many people will die.

naptu2:
Did you at any time witness when the naira was stronger than the dollar? Do you know when the dollar became stronger than the naira? When cartoonists drew the picture of the dollar punching the naira in a boxing ring.

Do you know when Kingsway shut down? What about Leventis and the cinemas?

I do Kingsway & Leventis.Would go shopping there sometimes with my mother.
I can't them shutting down but they did.STILL,the economic situation for the average Nigerian wasn't as brutal under military rule as it is in Nigeria today.
The horrific poverty in the country today,simply didn't exist back then

naptu2:


That's the point. You don't know what you are talking about.

We've had bad economy under military rule and we've had bad economy under democracy

The only difference is that you have a better chance of doing something about it under democracy and you have absolutely no chance of doing anything about it under military rule and people will die. Many people will die.

The economy under military rule was somewhat bad BUT it wasn't as BAD as it has been under democratic rule since 1999.

How can the average Nigerian change their economic situation when only a few control the wealth & will never allow others except a few have access to that wealth?

The majority of Nigerians are poor and they shall all struggle & die poor

IHate9jerianss:

I do Kingsway & Leventis.Would go shopping there sometimes with my mother.
I can't them shutting down but they did.STILL,the economic situation for the average Nigerian wasn't as brutal under military rule as it is in Nigeria today.
The horrific poverty in the country today,simply didn't exist back then

If it wasn't as brutal, why did we have SAP riots??

What can be more brutal than not having food to eat?.

Do you know what level 101 means?

Do you know the level of inflation we had under military rule in the mid and late 1980s

, most people were government workers then, unlike now that a lot of people work for themselves and can increase their charges. There was galloping inflation and government didn't increase salaries.

Do you know how Tokunbo cars came to be? When Nigerians could not afford new cars (for the first time ever)?

Don't sugarcoat and romanticise it, we had exactly the same thing under military rule amd military rule or democracy does not guarantee good standard of living.

sonmvayina:

Military president
Civilian vice president..

Lol

How do we achieve a military president and then how does he select a civilian president

Anyway, you've already stated it. Military rule does not guarantee a better economy.

That's the fact.

naptu2:


If it wasn't as brutal, why did we have SAP riots??

What can be more brutal than not having food to eat?.

Do you know what level 101 means?

Do you know the level of inflation we had under military rule in the mid and late 1980s

, most people were government workers then, unlike now that a lot of people work for themselves and can increase their charges. There was galloping inflation and government didn't increase salaries.

Do you know how Tokunbo cars came to be? When Nigerians could not afford new cars (for the first time ever)?

Don't sugarcoat and romanticise it we had exactly the same thing under military rule amd military rule or democracy does not guarantee good standard of living.

Now this is getting ridiculous
I am neither romanticizing nor sugarcoating anything
How can you be talking about the 101 feeding system when in present day Nigeria,many people practice the 000 system?

Pray tell,was Nigeria as economically,socially,morally and spiritually bankrupt as she is under democratic rule than she was under military rule?
If you say yes,then this correspondence will be over

IHate9jerianss:


Now this is getting ridiculous
I am neither romanticizing nor sugarcoating anything
How can you be talking about the 101 feeding food system when in present day Nigeria,many people practice the 000 system?

Pray tell,was Nigeria as economically,socially,morally and spiritually bankrupt as she is under democratic rule than she was under military rule?
If you say yes,then this correspondence will be over

THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TELLING YOU! YOU DIDN'T WITNESS SAP! SAP WAS WORSE THAN THIS! FAR FAR WORSE!

Imagine that the justification for military rule will be that we will have a better economy? Does that even make sense??

Great economies are created by good economic decisions, not by whether we are under military or civilian rule.

Military rulers make bad economic decisions, civilian rulers also make bad economic decisions.

How can a good economy be a justification for military rule??

Is this some kind of joke??

Do you know how many people died during the SAP riots? Do you know how desperate people were to go out on the streets and confront heavily armed soldiers?

In fact, why am I wasting my time? You don't know what you are talking about.

naptu2:


THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TELLING YOU! YOU DIDN'T WITNESS SAP! SAP WAS WORSE THAN THIS! FAR FAR WORSE!

SAP-Structural Adjustment Programme in other words,neo-liberal capitalist policies instead of socialist policies.The wealth of a nation in the hands of a few while the majority become wage slaves.

It began with the Babangida regime,was mostly continued by the Abacha regime but was fully implemented by the democratic dispensations beginning with the Obasanjo istration & it has ruined the economic mobility of the nation's average citizenry

naptu2:
Imagine that the justification for military rule will be that we will have a better economy? Does that even make sense??

The democratic system is simply not working...economy-wise for almost 30years.It was somewhat structured under military rule

IHate9jerianss:


SAP-Structural Adjustment Programme in other words,neo-liberal capitalist policies instead of socialist policies.The wealth of a nation in the hands of a few while the majority become wage slaves.

It began with the Babangida regime,was mostly continued by the Abacha regime but was fully implemented by the democratic dispensations beginning with the Obasanjo istration & it has ruined the economic mobility of the nation's average citizenry

Thank you for making this post. This post has made me realise that I shouldn't be engaging you at all.

The argument was whether military rule guaranteed a better economy, but you have veered off to some propagamda no nsense.

You are probably one of those people that have been paid to spread this thing (the kind of people that I described in the first post).

Goodbye, I won't read your post again.

That will probably be another person that I'll block

naptu2:
Great economies are created by good economic decisions, not by whether we are under military or civilian rule

Military rulers make bad economic decisions, civilian rulers also make bad economic decisions.

How can a good economy be a justification for military rule??

Is this some kind of joke??

Great economies like China's?

China is not a democracy in case you forgot.

Even the so-called champions of democracy economies are floundering

Funny, he still thinks that I'll read his posts.

He has no point, he has even agreed with me that he has no point (he agreed that military rule does not guarantee a good economy, even though the basis of his entire argument is that military rule guarantees a better economy), he is just going round and round in circles without saying anything.

Why should I waste my time?

naptu2:


Thank you for making this post. This post has made me realise that I shouldn't be engaging you at all.

The argument was whether military rule guaranteed a better economy, but you have veered off to some propagamda no nsense.

You are probably one of those people that have been paid to spread this thing(the kind of people that I described in the first post).

Goodbye, I won't read your post again

This has gotten ridiculous.

Goodbye to you too.I shall continue to read,follow & enjoy your threads on this forum.

Be careful. There are people that have been paid to post. They can't defend their positions if you challenge them, but they'll keep putting out words in order to justify their pay. Don't waste your time.

EdiskyHarry:
According to a friend I chatted with over there, he said people protested over hardship in the country, and the president deployed troops to the scene of the protest, one of the soldiers shot dead one protester resulting in a serious riot not a coup. I'll still find out.