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Proudlyngwa(m): 6:06pm On May 22 |
Arielle: So if democracy is bad , what do you advocate for |
sonmvayina(m): 8:31pm On May 22 |
Proudlyngwa:Military president Civilian vice president.. Lol |
IHate9jerianss(m): 8:49pm On May 22 |
naptu2: Sir,what is the purpose of Democracy if the standard of living of the citizenry is very poor? Freedom of speech does not put food on the table. Even the countries that consider themselves as the bastions of democracy are crumbling before our very eyes |
naptu2: 8:53pm On May 22 |
IHate9jerianss: Wonderful! So it is democracy that makes the standard of living high? So standard of living cannot be poor under military rule?? Wonderful! 1 Like |
IHate9jerianss(m): 9:04pm On May 22 |
naptu2: Standard of living of the people under different democratic dispensations in Nigeria have always been poor. There has never been an improvement.Instead, it has gotten worse under every istration mostly due to the neo-liberal capitalist policies forced unto our Govts by foreign western powers. Before the advent of the democratic Govt in 1999,one of the major promises back then of the gains of democratic rule was the people's standard of living would improve. Has it? Certainly not. Is it freedom of speech the average citizen will feed on? Or tangible economic improvement of their lives? |
naptu2: 9:29pm On May 22 |
IHate9jerianss: 🤣 You are running away from my question. Nigeria was under military rule in the 1980s and SAP was implemented. People said that the standard of living was poor and SAP was sapping people. Various slangs appeared. People were on level 101, level 010, etc. If you are too young to know, then I'll spell it out for you, level 101 meant that people ate breakfast, did not eat lunch and ate dinner. Level 010 meant that people only ate lunch. This was under military rule in the 1980s Once again (and don't run away from the questions) So it is democracy that makes the standard of living high? So standard of living cannot be poor under military rule?? 2 Likes |
naptu2: 9:35pm On May 22 |
It's like someone arguing that, "I wore my sweater, so I should not get wet from the rain". How does wearing your sweater prevent you from getting wet from the rain?
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IHate9jerianss(m): 9:53pm On May 22 |
naptu2: I will turn 39 in August 2025. I can categorically tell you,standard of living was much better under military rule. There was fuel scarcity (first saw a queue at a fuel station in 1994) ,harassment & imprisonment of journalists (TELL magazine etc) and rampant corruption BUT standard of living of the average Nigerian was better. I began to notice how extremely poor Nigerians were becoming around 2001 and the situation has only become worse. |
naptu2: 9:55pm On May 22 |
IHate9jerianss: 39 is not old enough to know how things were under military rule. Did you witness the currency slump of 1986? How old were you during the SAP riots of 1988? How old were you during the SAP riots of 1989?? You have still not answered my question. How does military rule guarantee a higher standard of living?? 1 Like |
naptu2: 9:59pm On May 22 |
Did you at any time witness when the naira was stronger than the dollar? Do you know when the dollar became stronger than the naira? When cartoonists drew the picture of the dollar punching the naira in a boxing ring. Do you know when Kingsway shut down? What about Leventis and the cinemas? |
IHate9jerianss(m): 10:01pm On May 22 |
naptu2: It doesnt but from my lived experience of both systems of rule,it seems much better than whatever is being practiced in Nigeria today which clearly isn't working (especially economically) for the generality of the citizenry |
naptu2: 10:01pm On May 22 |
This reminds me of the MMM debate on this same Nairaland. Government is bad, therefore MMM. How? |
naptu2: 10:04pm On May 22 |
IHate9jerianss: That's the point. You don't know what you are talking about. We've had bad economy under military rule and we've had bad economy under democracy. The only difference is that you have a better chance of doing something about it under democracy and you have absolutely no chance of doing anything about it under military rule and people will die. Many people will die. 1 Like |
IHate9jerianss(m): 10:06pm On May 22 |
naptu2:I do Kingsway & Leventis.Would go shopping there sometimes with my mother. I can't them shutting down but they did.STILL,the economic situation for the average Nigerian wasn't as brutal under military rule as it is in Nigeria today. The horrific poverty in the country today,simply didn't exist back then |
IHate9jerianss(m): 10:11pm On May 22 |
naptu2: The economy under military rule was somewhat bad BUT it wasn't as BAD as it has been under democratic rule since 1999. How can the average Nigerian change their economic situation when only a few control the wealth & will never allow others except a few have access to that wealth? The majority of Nigerians are poor and they shall all struggle & die poor |
naptu2: 10:16pm On May 22 |
IHate9jerianss: If it wasn't as brutal, why did we have SAP riots?? What can be more brutal than not having food to eat?. Do you know what level 101 means? Do you know the level of inflation we had under military rule in the mid and late 1980s , most people were government workers then, unlike now that a lot of people work for themselves and can increase their charges. There was galloping inflation and government didn't increase salaries. Do you know how Tokunbo cars came to be? When Nigerians could not afford new cars (for the first time ever)? Don't sugarcoat and romanticise it, we had exactly the same thing under military rule amd military rule or democracy does not guarantee good standard of living. 1 Like |
Proudlyngwa(m): 10:21pm On May 22 |
sonmvayina:How do we achieve a military president and then how does he select a civilian president |
naptu2: 10:24pm On May 22 |
Anyway, you've already stated it. Military rule does not guarantee a better economy. That's the fact. |
IHate9jerianss(m): 10:26pm On May 22 |
naptu2: Now this is getting ridiculous I am neither romanticizing nor sugarcoating anything How can you be talking about the 101 feeding system when in present day Nigeria,many people practice the 000 system? Pray tell,was Nigeria as economically,socially,morally and spiritually bankrupt as she is under democratic rule than she was under military rule? If you say yes,then this correspondence will be over |
naptu2: 10:28pm On May 22 |
IHate9jerianss: THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT I AM TELLING YOU! YOU DIDN'T WITNESS SAP! SAP WAS WORSE THAN THIS! FAR FAR WORSE! 2 Likes |
naptu2: 10:29pm On May 22 |
Imagine that the justification for military rule will be that we will have a better economy? Does that even make sense??
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naptu2: 10:31pm On May 22 |
Great economies are created by good economic decisions, not by whether we are under military or civilian rule. Military rulers make bad economic decisions, civilian rulers also make bad economic decisions. How can a good economy be a justification for military rule?? Is this some kind of joke?? |
naptu2: 10:33pm On May 22 |
Do you know how many people died during the SAP riots? Do you know how desperate people were to go out on the streets and confront heavily armed soldiers? In fact, why am I wasting my time? You don't know what you are talking about. 1 Like |
IHate9jerianss(m): 10:34pm On May 22 |
naptu2: SAP-Structural Adjustment Programme in other words,neo-liberal capitalist policies instead of socialist policies.The wealth of a nation in the hands of a few while the majority become wage slaves. It began with the Babangida regime,was mostly continued by the Abacha regime but was fully implemented by the democratic dispensations beginning with the Obasanjo istration & it has ruined the economic mobility of the nation's average citizenry |
IHate9jerianss(m): 10:36pm On May 22 |
naptu2: The democratic system is simply not working...economy-wise for almost 30years.It was somewhat structured under military rule |
naptu2: 10:37pm On May 22 |
IHate9jerianss: Thank you for making this post. This post has made me realise that I shouldn't be engaging you at all. The argument was whether military rule guaranteed a better economy, but you have veered off to some propagamda no nsense. You are probably one of those people that have been paid to spread this thing (the kind of people that I described in the first post). Goodbye, I won't read your post again. 2 Likes 2 Shares |
naptu2: 10:38pm On May 22 |
That will probably be another person that I'll block
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IHate9jerianss(m): 10:39pm On May 22 |
naptu2: Great economies like China's? China is not a democracy in case you forgot. Even the so-called champions of democracy economies are floundering |
naptu2: 10:41pm On May 22 |
Funny, he still thinks that I'll read his posts. He has no point, he has even agreed with me that he has no point (he agreed that military rule does not guarantee a good economy, even though the basis of his entire argument is that military rule guarantees a better economy), he is just going round and round in circles without saying anything. Why should I waste my time? |
IHate9jerianss(m): 10:41pm On May 22 |
naptu2: This has gotten ridiculous. Goodbye to you too.I shall continue to read,follow & enjoy your threads on this forum. |
naptu2: 10:43pm On May 22 |
Be careful. There are people that have been paid to post. They can't defend their positions if you challenge them, but they'll keep putting out words in order to justify their pay. Don't waste your time.
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baralatie(m): 12:27am On May 23 |
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