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delkuf:
oga archangel na rank for heaven.
My own name is Michael

The only begotten son of God among the angels in heaven is called Archangel just as all angels were called Morning Stars {Job 38:7} while only one of them is called Bright Morning Star! Revelations 22:16

** I and the Father are one
** The Father is in Me and I am in the Father
** He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?

Jesus Christ HIMSELF said these DIRECTLY to groups of people. Why do you still not believe Him? I just want to know WHY.

Maximus692:


Jesus imitated his heavenly father's fine qualities that is why those who carefully observed his behavior said he is God's Son {Matthew 16:16} Paul onished his fellow believers to imitate God the same way Jesus did so that onlookers can see godly qualities in them! Ephesians 5:1 compare to Matthew 5:14-16

So according to Jesus and Paul whoever carefully observes true Christians he or she has seen God in action:


Can anyone deny what these people are saying? Luke 19:40 compare to Matthew 5:14-16

God participated in wars.
Everything you wrote people said in favor of JW, you can find 10 times more people saying worse against JW. Then there is the robot-like cultish following of governing board and disfellowship that negates everything

MaxInDHouse:

Don't lie nah!
When did i say this?
What i told you is the name Michael the only begotten son of God bear in heaven but here among humans he bears Jesus.

Of course people bear both names nah!

You the one lying or u misspoke. U were asked WHY? And you went "spiritual"

MaxInDHouse:

Even the name Isaiah foretold wasn't the one given him: "Emmanuel" Isaiah 7:14

So the name he bear among his fellow angels can't be the same he will bear as human. Simple.

Emmanuel is a statement. Simply means "God with us" NOT "Archangel with us". Why do you not believe God was with us?

MaxInDHouse:

This is what you supposed to do since!
I don't believe Jesus is God and i will never believe such nonsense rather i believe Jesus is Archangel Michael. Case closed!

That's what I've always said.
BTW angel Michael was/is a servant of Gid with specific duties. Who was doing those duties while he was playing THE only begotten Son?

It's OK Jesus is Archangel Michael to me and that's what he remains so go and worship with your fellow believers.

Janosky:
You have to REMOVE Hebrew 6:13 , John 14:28&
1 Corinthians 11:3 from your Bible to prop up that script you invented.

Tell me what those verses say in the first place.

Jesus Christ,the disciples and Jehovah God share the same nature, John 17:22

If they all share the same NATURE as Jehovah God then it means you have multiple Gods.

because Only God's NATURE makes God to be God.

That is why THERE'S NO ONE LIKE GOD.

NO OTHER Being share the same status with Jehovah God, Paul and Jesus Christ said so.

See this one

Were you not the one who claimed above that even DISCIPLES also SHARE the same NATURE with Jehovah God now now

So is STATUS different from NATURE?

Did you know that it was NATURE of God that makes God to be God?

Emusan:


Tell me what those verses say in the first place.



If they all share the same NATURE as Jehovah God then it means you have multiple Gods.

because Only God's NATURE makes God to be God.

That is why THERE'S NO ONE LIKE GOD.



See this one

Were you not the one who claimed above that even DISCIPLES also SHARE the same NATURE with Jehovah God now now

So is STATUS different from NATURE?

Did you know that it was NATURE of God that makes God to be God?

I still don't get what they don't understand 🤨 about trinity. Every trinitarian knows for a fact that the Father and the Son are two different identities!

They are just looking about to further their own propaganda 🤨 but we are certainly not buying it😂.

Aemmyjah:

Jesus was telling Jesus to sit beside him
That is what makes sense to people like Emusan

MaxInDHouse:

Not only that but Jesus was also praying to Jesus!

Emusan:

No! Jesus was praying to His Father.
How is that hard for you to understand?

MaxInDHouse:

And who is His father o?

Emusan:

Yahweh!
Now, you know that Jesus can't be praying to Jesus.
I'm glad that is cleared

MaxInDHouse:

And you initially said Jesus is Yahweh o!
So is Jesus not praying to himself?

Emusan:

Yes! YAHWEH is a NAME!
Yes Jesus isn't praying to HIMSELF.

MaxInDHouse:

So Jesus is Yahweh. YES or NO!

Emusan:

Answer my question oga
Stop jumping

Excellent landing!

Emusan:


Tell me what those verses say in the first place.



If they all share the same NATURE as Jehovah God then it means you have multiple Gods.

because Only God's NATURE makes God to be God.

That is why THERE'S NO ONE LIKE GOD.



See this one

Were you not the one who claimed above that even DISCIPLES also SHARE the same NATURE with Jehovah God now now

So is STATUS different from NATURE?

Did you know that it was NATURE of God that makes God to be God?[ /quote][quote author=Gabrielshow24 post=135441603]I still don't get what they don't understand 🤨 about trinity. Every trinitarian knows for a fact that the Father and the Son are two different identities!

They are just looking about to further their own propaganda 🤨 but we are certainly not buying it😂.

STATUS is NOT nature.

Did Jesus share God's nature?
Yes, they share the nature of Spirits.

1 Corinthians 11:3 , Hebrew 6:13,John 14:28 "God the Father is greater than Jesus his son.

Is Jesus equal with God his Father?
1 Corinthians 11:3 , Hebrew 6:13,John 14:28 says NO.

Emusan share human nature with his Father.
Are you equal with your Father?
No.
Your Father is the Head of your Family,not you his son.


Make UNA continue dey deceive yourselves.

QuinQ:
** I and the Father are one
** The Father is in Me and I am in the Father

Jesus said "the disciples are in Us & one with Us (The Father &Son). John 17:21-22.
Screenshot evidence.

QuinQ:

** He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?

Jesus Christ HIMSELF said these DIRECTLY to groups of people. Why do you still not believe Him? I just want to know WHY.

John 14:24
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me"


John 14:24, why do you want to see the Father when the Father had sent Jesus to speak the Father's words to you?
John 14:9,Is Jesus claiming to be the Father?
No.

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QuinQ:
**
Everything you wrote people said in favor of JW, you can find 10 times more people saying worse against JW. Then there is the robot-like cultish following of governing board and disfellowship that negates everything

Nah so you dey follow your pastorpreneurs.
You buy their tapes, cleave to anything they say,buy anointing oil to protect you while a retinue of bodyguards protect them in your church altar to their residential houses.

QuinQ:

Emmanuel is a statement. Simply means "God with us" NOT "Archangel with us". Why do you not believe God was with us?

John 5:37 & John 14:24
Jesus said God didn't come to the earth to be with men.
God sent his Son, Angel, Servant to speak God's word to us.

QuinQ:

That's what I've always said.
BTW angel Michael was/is a servant of Gid with specific duties. Who was doing those duties while he was playing THE only begotten Son?

Hebrew 11:17-19, Did Abraham hand over Isaac's duty as Only begotten Son to another son?
NO.

Both duties were exclusive to Jesus Christ.
@Revelation 19:13-18,Jesus is always the only begotten Son, the Word when he Commanded angels in battle & victory?
Yes.


@ Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28,is Jesus always the only begotten Son when he is doing the work of archangel Michael to raise the dead?
Yes.

Abeg rest jare.

QuinQ:


You are quoting indirect things.
Here are statements Jesus Christ made directly to everyone around (not indirectly to one person as in your quotes), so everyone heard Him DIRECTLY:

** I and the Father are one

** The Father is in Me and I am in the Father

** Jesus said unto him, “Have I been so long a time with you, and yet hast thou not known Me, Philip? He that hath seen Me hath seen the Father; and how sayest thou then, ‘Show us the Father’?

When your Father sends you to give me a Letter you bring to me, having seen you QuinQ, have I seen your Father?

Oga, did Jesus make the statement in Revelation 3:12 in the spiritual realm?

The inspired expression of Hebrews 6:13 came from QuinQ?


.

Ruke1991:


The greek text is "morphe" which means "form". And that texts in Phil 2:6 word for word greek translation reads:

"who although existing in the form of God, not something to be grasped, considered - to be equal with God".

The fact that Jesus is God is not something Paul expected JW will find so hard to grasp- but it's disappointing.

The word form is "morphe". So before you start attacking words. I cited other translation using that word "form" as well. Use this bible gateway link and see the original greek texts in full word for word interpretation.
https://biblehub.com/text/philippians/2-6.htm

Phillipians 2:6
"Who although was in the form of God considered equality with God NOT something to be grasped."

Acts 9:20 is the first sermon of Paul in the temple.
@ Hebrew 6:13 & 1 Corinthians 11:3 Paul does NOT accept your claim.

John 14:28 & Hebrew 6:13, Why would Jesus Christ grasp something he & the apostles have already said doesn't exist?

Check am nau.

Janosky:

Phillipians 2:6
"Who although was in the form of God considered equality with God NOT something to be grasped."

Acts 9:20 is the first sermon of Paul in the temple.
@ Hebrew 6:13 & 1 Corinthians 11:3 Paul does NOT accept your claim.

John 14:28 & Hebrew 6:13, Why would Jesus Christ grasp something he & the apostles have already said doesn't exist?

Check am nau.

you don't make any sense. You are the one that insisted on original greek manuscript because you want to win argument- not because you want to learn. I gave you a link to biblehub for a word for word translation of the original greek manuscript. It doesn't say that jesus WAS (formally) in the form of God. It doesn't use past tense. So don't alter the bible for argument purposes. It rather uses a present continuous tense. That's why king James says, "Who being in the form of God....". Jesus was not formally God, but still continues to be God. Refer to the original manuscript of that chapter and end all arguments forthwith

You know the original manuscript has no punctuation marks: no commas, hyphen, colon or full stop. So you are trying to play around that lapse to destroy the meaning of that text in the original manuscript. I know word for word translation may make it loose some meaning, for example, in a contextual translation, it will be: who exists in the form of God or who in form is existing God. But let's leave out contextual translation and go with word for word translation so that you don't have any further excuses:

Word for word, it reads:
"Who in the form of God existing" before saying, "something not to be grasped considered". Why do you throw away the word considered which followed grasped in the original manuscript. Because you want to hide the meaning of the statements

Ruke1991:


The Bible says that angels worship Jesus.
Hebrews 1:6 states, "And again, when he brings the firstborn into the world, he says, 'Let all God's angels worship him.'" worship here is greek word for worship ("proskynēsatōsan". So what are you going to do now?

Bending your knees down before any spirit is actually an act of worship. That's why Ex 20:5,6 instructs us not to bow down to any gods or serve them. Stop confusing your culture with Jewish culture. Jewish obeisance has nothing to do with bowing down your knees as .modecai resisted that for the very reason that Jews consider it idolatry to bow down to any other except God. In Jewish context which is bible context, bowing down to any spirit or creature is worship not obeisance

This is Jesus instruction in the spiritual realm:
Greek Revelation 19:10 Worship the God.

This is Jesus instruction in the earthly realm:
Greek Matthew 4:10 copied from Deuteronomy 6:13, Worship Jehovah your God, ONLY Him you Must Serve. "

Oga, make I ask you?
1 Corinthians 11:1, The Jesus you imitate, how many Spirits did Jesus worship?

Ruke1991:

Heaven is not a house - it's beyond that. A complete study of the book of revelation reveals the fact that heaven has God, angels, healing trees, and even beasts that worship God. Those beasts are clearly defined has having face and features of animals eg lion. So we cannot say everything in heaven takes on thesame form of existence. All living things in heaven have different forms of life ie God, angels, 24 elders (whatever it means), beasts, trees. They all exist in the spirit realm just like how humans, animals, trees are different life forms here on the physical realm

Thanks for your comment.
Well,i'm not making reference to trees, animals or beasts.
Wild Beasts in the Bible book of Revelation & Daniel are symbols that represent powerful nations /kingdoms. etc.
I don't wish to digress outside the scope of this thread.

Janosky:

Nah so you dey follow your pastorpreneurs.
You buy their tapes, cleave to anything they say,buy anointing oil to protect you while a retinue of bodyguards protect them in your church altar to their residential houses.



John 5:37 & John 14:24
Jesus said God didn't come to the earth to be with men.
God sent his Son, Angel, Servant to speak God's word to us.

Hebrew 11:17-19, Did Abraham hand over Isaac's duty as Only begotten Son to another son?
NO.

Both duties were exclusive to Jesus Christ.
@Revelation 19:13-18,Jesus is always the only begotten Son, the Word when he Commanded angels in battle & victory?
Yes.


@ Daniel 12:2 & John 5:28,is Jesus always the only begotten Son when he is doing the work of archangel Michael to raise the dead?
Yes.

Abeg rest jare.

Janosky:

Jesus said "the disciples are in Us & one with Us (The Father &Son). John 17:21-22.
Screenshot evidence.

John 14:24
"He who does not love Me does not keep My words; and the word which you hear is not Mine but the Father’s who sent Me"


John 14:24, why do you want to see the Father when the Father had sent Jesus to speak the Father's words to you?
John 14:9,Is Jesus claiming to be the Father?
No.

.[/b]

Read screenshot below written by your fellow JW.

I don't know what you gain by twisting what Christ said. See His words below, verbatim and in conext. But the thing is, it was foretold in the OT that God was comming to dwell amongst us (Everlasting Father, Mighty God, Emmanuel). JohnTB came just to prepare His way. When He finally came He said directly Himself that He was God (and Jews tried to stone Him for saying that). Over 2000 years later He's still being worshipped as exactly that: God!
WHAT ELSE WILL IT TAKE TO PROVE TO YOU HE IS INDEED GOD??!!
How many times did Angel Michael come to earth? Were there any extensive foretellings and preparations before he came??

John 14:
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?

Janosky:


This is Jesus instruction in the spiritual realm:
Greek Revelation 19:10 Worship the God.

This is Jesus instruction in the earthly realm:
Greek Matthew 4:10 copied from Deuteronomy 6:13, Worship Jehovah your God, ONLY Him you Must Serve. "

Oga, make I ask you?
1 Corinthians 11:1, The Jesus you imitate, how many Spirits did Jesus worship?





Thanks for your comment.
Well,i'm not making reference to trees, animals or beasts.
Wild Beasts in the Bible book of Revelation & Daniel are symbols that represent powerful nations /kingdoms. etc.
I don't wish to digress outside the scope of this thread.

Don't even go to the book of revelation because JW doesn't get a single verse correct in that entire book of the bible. People who don't believe in being born again, second coming of Christ, the
resurrection of the just and rapture cannot understand events of the afterlife or end time escatology. I am even surprised you guys believe Jesus is still alive (given that you believe he is the man moses). How were you able to comprehend the fact that Jesus is not late or that he is alive?

Ruke1991:
you don't make any sense. You are the one that insisted on original greek manuscript because you want to win argument- not because you want to learn. I gave you a link to biblehub for a word for word translation of the original greek manuscript. It doesn't say that jesus WAS (formally) in the form of God. It doesn't use past tense. So don't alter the bible for argument purposes. It rather uses a present continuous tense. That's why king James says, "Who being in the form of God....". Jesus was not formally God, but still continues to be God. Refer to the original manuscript of that chapter and end all arguments forthwith

You know the original manuscript has no punctuation marks: no commas, hyphen, colon or full stop. So you are trying to play around that lapse to destroy the meaning of that text in the original manuscript. Even without punctuation, it reads I know word for word may make it loose some meaning, for example, God existing in a contextual translation will be: who exists in the form of God or who in form is existing God. But let's leave out contextual translation and go with word for word translation so that you don't have any further excuses:

Word for word, it reads:
"Who in the form of God existing" before saying, "something not to be grasped considered". Why do you throw away the word considered which followed grasped in the original manuscript. Because you want to hide the meaning of the statements

Bill Mounce is a Trinitarian & Greek scholar.
This is the Bill Mounce Greek interlinear screenshot of Philippians 2:6.
"Who although was in the form of God considered equality with God NOT something to be grasped"

Does the texts agree with your claim and position?
NO.

@ John 14:24 & Hebrew 6:13, did Paul and Jesus teach that Jesus had equality God his Father?
NO.

Romans 8:3 & Philippians 2:6-8 agreed that Christ did NOT come the earth with the form of Spirits (God's nature).
Jesus came to the earth in the nature of man (human nature).

Therefore "he WAS in the form of God "(past tense, John 17:4-5) before he was in the form of man.

QuinQ:




Read screenshot below written by your fellow JW.

I don't know what you gain by twisting what Christ said. See His words below, verbatim and in conext. But the thing is, it was foretold in the OT that God was comming to dwell amongst us (Everlasting Father, Mighty God, Emmanuel). JohnTB came just to prepare His way. When He finally came He said directly Himself that He was God (and Jews tried to stone Him for saying that). Over 2000 years later He's still being worshipped as exactly that: God!
WHAT ELSE WILL IT TAKE TO PROVE TO YOU HE IS INDEED GOD??!!
How many times did Angel Michael come to earth? Were there any extensive foretellings and preparations before he came??

John 14:
8 Philip said, “Lord, show us the Father and that will be enough for us.”

9 Jesus answered: “Don’t you know me, Philip, even after I have been among you such a long time? Anyone who has seen me has seen the Father. How can you say, ‘Show us the Father’? 10 Don’t you believe that I am in the Father, and that the Father is in me?

Your opinion on John 14:9 is similar to you saying you are your Father because your Father sends you to give his words (letter) to Janosky.

Please REMOVE John 14:24,28 & John 17:21-22 from your Bible
Or
Your opinion remains your opinion.
NOT scriptural.

Janosky:



When your Father sends you to give me a Letter you bring to me, having seen you, have I seen your Father?

Oga, did Jesus make the statement in Revelation 3:12 in the spiritual realm?

The inspired expression of Hebrews 6:13 came from?


.

Oga, see my previous post. STOP CHERRYPICKING THE BIBLE!!! You'd get lost in details and minutae. Taking everything together do you really believe that the person who came some 2000 years ago was Angel Michael or even a little like him or like Moses or like any person who came before then or who has come since then?

Ruke1991:


Don't even go to the book of revelation because JW doesn't get a single verse correct in that entire book of the bible. People who don't believe in being born again, second coming of Christ, the
resurrection of the just and rapture cannot understand events of the afterlife or end time escatology. I am even surprised you guys believe Jesus is still alive (given that you believe he is the man moses). How were you able to comprehend the fact that Jesus is not late or that he is alive?

Did Acts 3:19-23 JW's have always referenced in our conversation with you teaching you that "he (Jesus) is Moses?

Oga, no dey tell lies.

QuinQ:


Oga, see my previous post. STOP CHERRYPICKING THE BIBLE!!! You'd get lost in details and minutae. Taking everything together do you really believe that the person who came some 2000 years ago was Angel Michael or even a little like him or like Moses or like any person who came before then or who has come since then?

Your fellow Trinitarians believed so ,even to this very day.

If you have a problem with the doctrine,go and convince your fellow Trinitarians with your opinion.

Charity begins at home.

Janosky:


Bill Mounce is a Trinitarian & Greek scholar.
This is the Bill Mounce Greek interlinear screenshot of Philippians 2:6.
"Who although was in the form of God considered equality with God NOT something to be grasped"

Does the texts agree with your claim and position?
NO.

@ John 14:24 & Hebrew 6:13, did Paul and Jesus teach that Jesus had equality God his Father?
NO.

Romans 8:3 & Philippians 2:6-8 agreed that Christ did NOT come the earth with the form of Spirits (God's nature).
Jesus came to the earth in the nature of man (human nature).

Therefore "he WAS in the form of God "(past tense, John 17:4-5) before he was in the form of man.

So as a JW you at least agree now (from your interpretation of Phil 2:6 above) that jesus was (ie formally) God? But do not agree that he continues to be God since after he took on human form? Am I right?
Also, from the interpretation of John 1 :1-3 which says the word was God. At least you guys believe Jesus was formally God? I want to really get your position on the two bible verses that clearly says the word was God or jesus exist in the God form

Janosky:


Your fellow Trinitarians believed so ,even to this very day.

If you have a problem with the doctrine,go and convince your fellow Trinitarians with your opinion.

Charity begins at home.

only JW holds such beliefs

Janosky:


Your opinion on John 14:9 is similar to you saying you are your Father because your Father sends you to give his words (letter) to Janosky.

Please REMOVE John 14:24,28 & John 17:21-22 from your Bible
Or
Your opinion remains your opinion.
NOT scriptural.
[/b]

You keep trying to apply extremely limited human logic to these things
I've told you this before but I think you missed it.
This is like someone who lives in a world of straight lines, whose entire thinking faculty is limited to straight lines, trying to understand a sphere or circle. If you tell such a person that if you keep going in a straight line you'd come back to where you started, he'd keep telling you they're two separate points. Same way, it is beyond human capacity to grasp how Jesus and the Father are one, and that when you see one you've seen the other, yet they're at same time separate. Yet that's exactly the case!

QuinQ:

It is beyond human capacity to grasp how Jesus and the Father are one.

There is nothing difficult in that the same word Jesus used for his numerous disciples saying they will all be one just as himself and his father are one! John 17:22
So it's simply means thinking alike or the idea of always yielding to the same point of view!

Janosky:


This is Jesus instruction in the spiritual realm:
Greek Revelation 19:10 Worship the God.

This is Jesus instruction in the earthly realm:
Greek Matthew 4:10 copied from Deuteronomy 6:13, Worship Jehovah your God, ONLY Him you Must Serve. "

Oga, make I ask you?
1 Corinthians 11:1, The Jesus you imitate, how many Spirits did Jesus worship?





Thanks for your comment.
Well,i'm not making reference to trees, animals or beasts.
Wild Beasts in the Bible book of Revelation & Daniel are symbols that represent powerful nations /kingdoms. etc.
I don't wish to digress outside the scope of this thread.

you are confused. The dream of Daniel is explained by an angel. The beasts before the throne of God in the book of revelation were not interpreted by any angel. So why do your elders add their own traditions to the bible? Your elders want to automatically use the animal in the book of Daniel which means nations to interpret the meaning of animals in every other bible verse. You see why your governing council gets it all wrong. So goat in your own dreams now mean Grecian empire and in every bible verse goat continues to be an empire. You should use your own reasoning and you will be able to see why JW governing council are in error

MaxInDHouse:

There is nothing difficult in that the same word Jesus used for his numerous disciples saying they will all be one just as himself and his father are one! John 17:22
So it's simply means thinking alike or the idea of always yielding to the same point of view!

phil 2:6 says
Who existing in the form of God, something not to be grasped {by atleast JW }, considered it not robbery to be equal with God

So the guy is right. Paul through the eyes of the spirit knew the teaching of trinity was something not to be grasped by human brain- atleast not to be grasped by JW. How can they grasp the concept of Jesus existing in God form? That's what that age is saying

Janosky:


Your fellow Trinitarians believed so ,even to this very day.

If you have a problem with the doctrine,go and convince your fellow Trinitarians with your opinion.

Charity begins at home.

God gave YOU a brain. Use it! He didn't give you Trinitarians or JW governing body. He gave you a brain! Use it for a change! Forget about Trinitarians and governing boards and THINK for a change! Think FOR YOURSELF for a change!
(I know I'm wasting my time)😅

MaxInDHouse:

There is nothing difficult in that the same word Jesus used for his numerous disciples saying they will all be one just as himself and his father are one! John 17:22
So it's simply means thinking alike or the idea of always yielding to the same point of view!

Nope. When you take EVERYTHING together you'd be very SURE that's not what it means. It's not just that Jesus Himself claimed to be God, OT said God was coming to visit us, Jews tried to stone Jesus for claiming to be God, Jesus was called the Alpha and Omega, no one ever said that once you've seen Peter you've seen Jesus, or that once you’ve Paul you've seen Peter, no one ever tried to stone Peter for claiming to be Jesus, etc. When you take all these together it becomes very clear what was meant!

Ruke1991:
heb 2:6 says
Who being in the form of God, something not to be grasped {by atleast JW }, considered it not robbery to be equal with God. So the guy is right. Paul through the eyes of the spirit knew the teaching of trinity was something not to be grasped by human brain- atleast not to be grasped by JW. How can they grasp the concept of Jesus existing in God form? That's what that age is saying

Hmmmm you tried but that's not what is written in the Bible book of Hebrews 2:6 Sir.
Perhaps you need to learn that from the JWs because they don't misquote!

QuinQ:

Nope. When you take EVERYTHING together you'd be very SURE that's not what it means. It's not just that Jesus Himself claimed to be God, OT said God was coming to visit us, Jews tried to stone Jesus for claiming to be God, Jesus was called the Alpha and Omega, no one ever said that once you've seen Peter you've seen Jesus, or that once you’ve Paul you've seen Peter, no one ever tried to stone Peter for claiming to be Jesus, etc. When you take all these together it becomes very clear what was meant!

When i take the whole Bible together it's clear that Jesus is the archangel Michael!