MaxInDHouse:
In this side of the world people acting on what they have little or no knowledge about is common.
Blood Transfusion is no longer tenable as a safe means of treatment around the world.
Though God has warned His worshipers thousands of years ago to abstain from blood {Genesis 9:4} stating it'll guarantee good health {Act 15:28-29} but faithless people feels the book (Bible) shouldn't be the sole determinant of whatever they choose to do with their lives as it's an old book written by people they don't know.
Today health practitioners around the world are enlightening their people against the hazards of blood transfusion.
So it would have been better if that little girl died?
Trust me if your pastor was in that situation, he'd go behind your back get his daughter transfused and keep his mouth shut.
MaxInDHouse:
In this side of the world people acting on what they have little or no knowledge about is common.
Blood Transfusion is no longer tenable as a safe means of treatment around the world.
Though God has warned His worshipers thousands of years ago to abstain from blood {Genesis 9:4} stating it'll guarantee good health {Act 15:28-29} but faithless people feels the book (Bible) shouldn't be the sole determinant of whatever they choose to do with their lives as it's an old book written by people they don't know.
Today health practitioners around the world are enlightening their people against the hazards of blood transfusion.
Even though I have donated blood to save someone (the wife of a dear friend), I would never accept other people's blood. I'd rather I kick jerrycan.
This is not because of faith. It's because of my seemingly silly pride (as one oversabi doctor once called it) I didn't care then, told him I'd rather leave life than to take blood... Na me know the real reason sha, don't ask...
But I've been meaning to ask you HighPriest Max... Why then do JWs do kidney transplant, if they don't do blood transfusion ? I know a man, a JW that recently did it...
Every medical intervention has got its own hazard, or side effects, or complications...blood transfusion included.
But guess what? Most times, these complications don't arise. Before surgery, patients are made to sign a written informed consent, they are also counseled on possible complications. Most times, these complications do not arise.
The so-called hazards of blood transfusion are not common outcomes. In my practice, in fact, I've transfused MULTIPLE patients. Not up to 5% come down with any form of complication. The ones that did react, a simple intervention with normal saline, hydrocort, promethazine and paracetamol is enough to control such a reaction.
Blood transfusion is safe, very safe. Has it its own complications? Yeah, but they hardly occur.
Thank you chief. I wanted to respond to him, but no energy. Well done sir
Don't try to twist the argument here, the nexus of whether the girl lives or die argument in court was the blood transfusion, and in this instance the parents are objecting to medical evidence of blood transfusion because of their faith. Of course the parents would have been told that their are no other options of the girl's survivability but the transfusion. ((Circumstantial).
Firstly, there is never a "no other option but blood transfusion" in medicine. Thank you.
Anyways, There are about three different points made in my comment in response to a different person and your reply is not related nor does it negate any of them. That is the definition of "trying to twist the argument" like you said.
MaxInDHouse:
In this side of the world people acting on what they have little or no knowledge about is common.
Blood Transfusion is no longer tenable as a safe means of treatment around the world.
Though God has warned His worshipers thousands of years ago to abstain from blood {Genesis 9:4} stating it'll guarantee good health {Act 15:28-29} but faithless people feels the book (Bible) shouldn't be the sole determinant of whatever they choose to do with their lives as it's an old book written by people they don't know.
Today health practitioners around the world are enlightening their people against the hazards of blood transfusion.
So Mr knows it all the court should seat and watch the innocent child to die ba?
Pls dont upset me this morning ok pls I take God beg you.
Nigerian Constitution respects people's faith and their decisions on health matters. As for the minor children their parents' decision is binding on them.However if the child is 14 or 16 ,he has becomes a minor adult who can speak for himself. A lot of judgements in Nigeria up to Appeal Courts and Supreme Court have been given to the right of Jehovah's witnesses to practice their religion according to their conception including their objection to blood transfusion.
Modern medicine has gone beyond blood transfusion because of the risks it possesses.Bloodless surgeries are most preferred by many doctors both abroad and in Nigeria. A woman who is a JW was operated upon some weeks ago in Nigeria.She is hale and hearty after the bloodless surgery.
Let us see what we happen after this exparte order by the magistrate who seems not to be aware of the extent judgements in related cases in Nigeria
Many people don't seem to understand the hazards of transfusion beyond religion.
There's a family friend whose daughter had similar issue. The husband said no blood. He left to get something, the wife asked the hospital to transfuse the blood. Till date, the girl is still suffering seizures and always sick every now and then.
Bible was very clear about blood. Same way it was clear in other issues people are freely engaging in. Nobody should be compelled to do anything against their faith. Atleast, they even brought the girl to hospital and seeking for blood alternatives.
MaxInDHouse:
In this side of the world people acting on what they have little or no knowledge about is common.
Blood Transfusion is no longer tenable as a safe means of treatment around the world.
Though God has warned His worshipers thousands of years ago to abstain from blood {Genesis 9:4} stating it'll guarantee good health {Act 15:28-29} but faithless people feels the book (Bible) shouldn't be the sole determinant of whatever they choose to do with their lives as it's an old book written by people they don't know.
Today health practitioners around the world are enlightening their people against the hazards of blood transfusion.
let the child take his ọwn decision on faith when the child is mature .. not you chosing to have the child killed because of your faith..
Akinpresident:
Many people don't seem to understand the hazards of transfusion beyond religion.
There's a family friend whose daughter had similar issue. The husband said no blood. He left to get something, the wife asked the hospital to transfuse the blood. Till date, the girl is still suffering seizures and always sick every now and then.
Bible was very clear about blood. Same way it was clear in other issues people are freely engaging in. Nobody should be compelled to do anything against their faith. Atleast, they even brought the girl to hospital and seeking for blood alternatives.
their faith , not the little girls faith ,, the authority on health issues in nigeria has recomended blood transfusion to save her Life .. this is what matters in this issue.
Akinpresident:
Many people don't seem to understand the hazards of transfusion beyond religion.
There's a family friend whose daughter had similar issue. The husband said no blood. He left to get something, the wife asked the hospital to transfuse the blood. Till date, the girl is still suffering seizures and always sick every now and then.
Bible was very clear about blood. Same way it was clear in other issues people are freely engaging in. Nobody should be compelled to do anything against their faith. Atleast, they even brought the girl to hospital and seeking for blood alternatives.
The commandment to abstain from blood is to not eat blood with the flesh
Even plasma is derived from blood
Genesis 9:3-4
King James Version.
3 Every moving thing that liveth shall be meat for you; even as the green herb have I given you all things.
4 But flesh with the life thereof, which is the blood thereof, shall ye not eat.
Acts 15:28-29
28 For it seemed good to the Holy Ghost, and to us, to lay upon you no greater burden than these necessary things;
29 That ye abstain from meats offered to idols, and from blood, and from things strangled, and from fornication: from which if ye keep yourselves, ye shall do well. Fare ye well.
MaxInDHouse:
In this side of the world people acting on what they have little or no knowledge about is common.
Blood Transfusion is no longer tenable as a safe means of treatment around the world.
Though God has warned His worshipers thousands of years ago to abstain from blood {Genesis 9:4} stating it'll guarantee good health {Act 15:28-29} but faithless people feels the book (Bible) shouldn't be the sole determinant of whatever they choose to do with their lives as it's an old book written by people they don't know.
Today health practitioners around the world are enlightening their people against the hazards of blood transfusion.
My question;is Genesis 9v4 talking about human or animal Blood?
God guaranteed for good health is it when you refuse to do the right thing? At least you people Go to hospital nah.
MaxInDHouse:
In this side of the world people acting on what they have little or no knowledge about is common.
Blood Transfusion is no longer tenable as a safe means of treatment around the world.
Though God has warned His worshipers thousands of years ago to abstain from blood {Genesis 9:4} stating it'll guarantee good health {Act 15:28-29} but faithless people feels the book (Bible) shouldn't be the sole determinant of whatever they choose to do with their lives as it's an old book written by people they don't know.
Today health practitioners around the world are enlightening their people against the hazards of blood transfusion.
so u mean if someone involved in an accident and had amputated limb loosing like 2/3 litres of blood, what would u advise they do.they should allow the person to die waiting for miracle to happen or what form of treatment do u think will be appropriate in this case.Open ur mind to broader life situations abeg.No health practitioner around the world will tell you it's dangerous to give blood to a dying patient with hemorrhagic shock(shock from loosing alot of blood). someone you can help just by transfusing adequate blood and doing the other necessary things.
There are HLC-approved hospitals and doctors who are skilled in advanced medical practices, they should have gone to instead, from the onset of the prolonged health challenge of their child.
But they chose not to do so and only tried to do so at the 11th hour, resulting in the messy situation they found themselves in.
Sad.
jmichael259:
Blood transfusion itself is not treatment and in a sane country, things can be done without it.
It might be fewer but it's not unusual nor unheard of for people to refuse chemotherapy, invasive surgery, transplants, resuscitation, blood transfusion etc
The sad part of this is that this is a country where Doctors are still using 1945 methodologies. They don't know any other things to do in such situations in case of unavailability(which is a frequent occurrence in our hospitals) or refusal of transfusion. They don't have plasma and other blood replenishment or blood recycling equipment, they don't even know what those things look like.
[b]For the people involved in this particular matter, having to wait till now to attempt to remove the child is a sign of being unprepared or even negligent. The child should have been gone at the first sign of opposition or inability to ister treatment. You have no business there in the first place if you did your homework or actually aligned with the people of your fath.
Do not get pregnant and have kids if you cannot think, plan and save ahead. If the child has a condition or your faith denies some treatment methods then you should have arranged such matters with hospital liaison committees long time ago. A prepared person has no business being in a place where outsiders are now trying to impose, veto or retrace steps for you.
Fortunately, There are thousands of modern hospitals and doctors with experience to cater for these and many more cases such as Laser removal of kidney Stones without surgery, alternative care without chemotherapy, treatment without blood etc
Do not use faith as excuse for blood transfusion if you'll fail to monitor and comply with precautionary measures against drop in blood levels or having emergency s of similar faith doctors or hospitals that are able to handle your case. A person whose faith doesn't allow meat, will go out of their way to find and learn to prepare nutritious and strengthening vegetable based meals.[/b]
While i respect the faiths of others, I am yet to see any sense in some of the things some people do because of faith. The court made the right move. Since the little girl can't give or refuse consent, let her receive the blood. When she's old enough, if such a situation arises again, she can then choose whether or not to accept blood.
I one JW patient I had. We were to operate her ovarian cyst which had twisted. She is a full-blown adult in her early twenties. Parents refused to consent for transfusion if need be. I personally counseled them, but they remained adamant. I somehow noticed that the girl was uneasy and scared. I targeted her...when the parents weren't around and I went back to talk to her. She said she didn't care, and would want to be transfused if need be..she just didn't want to OFFEND HER PARENTS. She consented behind their backs....but thankfully, we didn't need to transfuse.
I've also seen situations where some witnesses consent to blood transfusion secretly. One gave consent, but told us not to allow any visitor until we were done.
One guy, young boy. He had a cancer that had spread. He came to clinic paper-white pale. We immediately asked to it and optimize him. He refused transfusion. After going back and forth, he finally accepted, but it was somehow too late. We lost him.
Religion, so far, has caused more harm than good, I think.
It's so interesting to learn than blood transfusion can gurantee that a dying patient will live.
Okhuadams:
That's how many of them have died, the wise ones do it secretly is the foolish one that don't, this is the same way a friend of mine lost his twin sister till tomorrow the guy has not set his eyes on his parents because of that he hates them with ion
Thanks for this info, when next you get sick just request for blood transfussion, you will just be alright
This is where Jehovah's Witnesses get it all wrong. "NOT CONSUMING BLOOD" has no business with Blood Transfusion...but there's always an unrelated scripture to explain it yeah?
You no dey transfuse blood but you dey ingest blood capsules and syrups when sick? Isn't it sickening?
The follow whatever is dished to them blindly. And any day the Governing Body changes that doctrine to start accepting blood, they follow blindly and start accepting it...neglecting those who were affected.
Just like the no-beards and woman wearing pants issue. I now see witnesses with full beards and I'm like: "hypocrite! So y'all love this but turned off your brains to only obey the white men claiming to give you spiritual food?"
Funnily enough, they didn't criticize it. They called it in and tagged it as the "new light." New light? Your Bible is for fancy? So you only obey the Governing Body because you can't reason for yourself? This is the same thing they have criticized against others for over a century!
You know the trick they'll try to use to defend? They'll want to bring up what some random scientist said against blood transfusion and its dangers. What about the good! The good is that the person will LIVE (it overshadows any bad)! And when did you start believing science! Meanwhile, why aren't you using your common sense instead of reiterating what the Governing Body told you?
? I know a man, a JW that recently did it...