NewStats: 3,263,450 , 8,180,178 topics. Date: Friday, 06 June 2025 at 12:42 AM 1f1h13

jaephoenix:

Keep on twisting stories.
If you cannot see where the NARD President said the strike was due to insecurity, then it’s on you. I also told you all those were discussed in the NEC which you weren't there.

Show us the signed communique and not unreferenced screenshot. You’re a fraud, a pathological liar. I’ve given you the signed communique which shows that the strike was declared because of Dr Ganiyah that was kidnapped, till now you still can’t provide your own proof!

Please where did I say I was disappointed with your god in my write up? Do you have comprehension issues?

Do you lack common sense? You said your father “Left his booming alcohol business to become a Christian and from there his health dwindled….

And when he died, you started digging. Why were you digging ? Because you felt that because your father had become a Christian, he shouldn’t have died since he left his booming alcohol business to become a Christian as if he was doing God a favour by becoming a Christian after he used his alcohol business to destroy many lives


With your IQ evident by your lack of simple reasoning, it’s hard to believe that you’re a doctor, maybe you’re a product of quota system anyways

TenQ:

Even common sense tells you that we have a kind of Programming or Software that operates the hardware of our body. This is what is called the SOUL!

How do you know that a vehicles Navigator system has a Software running it?


Babies seem to come preprogrammed to learn and to survive outside the womb of their mother's isn't it?




Babies seem to come preprogrammed to learn and to survive outside the womb of their mother's isn't it?

You have just described a self learning AI system isn't it?

1. A vehicle Navigator system is visible to the eye. So we can see that
2. No. Babies don't have any survival skills. All they do is eat, cry, poop and sleep. If you keep them in a jungle, they simply die

advocatejare:

You wrote that you started digging after your father died. The digging eventually led you into atheism.

So when your father was ruining people’s lives with his alcohol sales, you weren’t digging then because he was spending the proceeds on you and the rest of the family? You’re a selfish person!

Have you been reading my posts or is your stupidity so bad you can't read? Did you read where I said I was asking questions as a kid?

Gabrielshow24:

Don't be daft.
It's not necessarily within this thread.

I have had a conversation with one of your colleagues where he alluded to that.

You must be blind for you not to see that I have given my two cents on the God discussion.

I have asked you lot to provide an evidence yet you can't.

Also, I don't lie.
I might make errors perhaps attributing one person's post to another or skipping some certain things in my thought process.

I don't have all the time in the world but the little I have, I make sure to attend to useful things.

In my spare time, I in on discussions.
There are plethora of "indirect evidences" for God.
From "probability of occurrence, to intelligent design"

When I am chanced we will discuss all these but first, present your own evidence.

I am not the one that forced you to take on my question 🤨; your zeal to sound smart has put you into a quagmire.

Again what's the evidence your god created anything or that he existed.
About macro evolution, if you want video evidence, there's none.
So do you believe Bible stories since there's no video, or audio evidence

Gabrielshow24:

They have reasons to believe it based on "indirect observational proof"👀; the same way I have reasons to believe in God, based on "indirect observational proofs" 🙃.

Don't blame me for applying scientific dogmas to demand for "concrete" proof!!!
What's good for the goose is good for the gander! 🤔

Do you believe speciation is a type of macro evolution

jaephoenix:

Again what's the evidence your god created anything or that he existed.
About macro evolution, if you want video evidence, there's none.
So do you believe Bible stories since there's no video, or audio evidence

Maybe, you should reflect that question towards you!

I said:
How do you know that a vehicles Navigator system has a Software running it?

jaephoenix:

1. A vehicle Navigator system is visible to the eye. So we can see that

Can you see the software?

jaephoenix:


2. No. Babies don't have any survival skills. All they do is eat, cry, poop and sleep. If you keep them in a jungle, they simply die

How do babies suddenly know that they should breathe air? How do they know that they should suck their mother's nipples? Why should they have pain and discomfort receptors? Why do they just begin to imitate older people?

Gabrielshow24:

Maybe, you should reflect that question towards you!

I have. That's why I'm throwing it at you

jaephoenix:

I have. That's why I'm throwing it at you

Then what conclusion did you arrive at, given your unprecedented allusion?

TenQ:
I said:
How do you know that a vehicles Navigator system has a Software running it?


Can you see the software?






How do babies suddenly know that they should breathe air? How do they know that they should suck their mother's nipples? Why should they have pain and discomfort receptors? Why do they just begin to imitate older people?

1. We can see the output on the navigator screen. That's how we know there's a software in the navigator
2. There is a respiratory center in the brain that drives respiration. It is not controlled by the baby consciously. It works independent of the baby's state, whether awake or sleeping. Works the same way on adults too. This respiratory center is immature in babies thus their respiration is start and stop, not smooth like ours.
Babies are born blind. They don't even know what you're putting in their mouth. Put a finger there, and they suck it. They have a suck reflex, which again is outside their voluntary control. They only actions babies control is crying. Even pooping is reflex.
They have pain receptors and other receptors which are follow come and integrated in the brain.
They imitate others cos its automatic. If wolves raise a baby, it grows up behaving like them. Same if they are raised with folks that talk and move a certain way. All these are automatic cos their brain brain grows at a rapid rate. There's a 'hole' in the front of their skull which is there and gradually fills up with brain tissue as they grow.
As you can see, there's explanations for all these phenomena. No evidence of the soul

Gabrielshow24:
Then what conclusion did you arrive at, given your unprecedented allusion?

I asked you the question first. So reply me

jaephoenix:

I asked you the question first. So reply me

It seems you’re oblivious to how self-refuting that quote was—hence why I flipped the question back to you!

jaephoenix:

1. We can see the output on the navigator screen. That's how we know there's a software in the navigator
2. There is a respiratory center in the brain that drives respiration. It is not controlled by the baby consciously. It works independent of the baby's state, whether awake or sleeping. Works the same way on adults too. This respiratory center is immature in babies thus their respiration is start and stop, not smooth like ours.
Babies are born blind. They don't even know what you're putting in their mouth. Put a finger there, and they suck it. They have a suck reflex, which again is outside their voluntary control. They only actions babies control is crying. Even pooping is reflex.
They have pain receptors and other receptors which are follow come and integrated in the brain.
They imitate others cos its automatic. If wolves raise a baby, it grows up behaving like them. Same if they are raised with folks that talk and move a certain way. All these are automatic cos their brain brain grows at a rapid rate. There's a 'hole' in the front of their skull which is there and gradually fills up with brain tissue as they grow.
As you can see, there's explanations for all these phenomena. No evidence of the soul

Where do you get your Scientific data from? 🤨 This is false!

jaephoenix:

1. We can see the output on the navigator screen. That's how we know there's a software in the navigator

What if I tell you that the evidence that we have a Software called the Soul is that we move about and people can see us make actions, would that be enough evidence for you as you have applied to the navigator?

jaephoenix:


2. There is a respiratory center in the brain that drives respiration. It is not controlled by the baby consciously. It works independent of the baby's state, whether awake or sleeping. Works the same way on adults too. This respiratory center is immature in babies thus their respiration is start and stop, not smooth like ours.
Babies are born blind. They don't even know what you're putting in their mouth. Put a finger there, and they suck it. They have a suck reflex, which again is outside their voluntary control. They only actions babies control is crying. Even pooping is reflex.
They have pain receptors and other receptors which are follow come and integrated in the brain.
They imitate others cos its automatic. If wolves raise a baby, it grows up behaving like them. Same if they are raised with folks that talk and move a certain way. All these are automatic cos their brain brain grows at a rapid rate. There's a 'hole' in the front of their skull which is there and gradually fills up with brain tissue as they grow.
As you can see, there's explanations for all these phenomena. No evidence of the soul

You are inherently describing the fact that something was programmed into a baby to learn to progress into an adult. So you think this was an accident?


If a baby was born blind, why was he equipped with a functional set of eyes with every part designed to accommodate light and interpret the data.
Do you think it was an accident?

In case you don't understand?
A foetus doesn't have to use it's eyes in the womb for anything but somehow, providence seems to know that the baby will like outside the fluid of the aminiotc sac and everything needed for life outside was prepared in the womb like the lungs and the eyes!

Could this just be an accident?

Gabrielshow24:
It seems you’re oblivious to how self-refuting that quote was—hence why I flipped the question back to you!

No its not. Please can you answer the question. Thank you

jaephoenix:

No its not. Please can you answer the question. Thank you

Think again 🤔; you clearly don’t realize how self-defeating your implication is.

Gabrielshow24:
Where do you get your Scientific data from? 🤨 This is false!

Dude I don't need to quote any source. Babies are born cortically blind. What it means is that even though their optic nerves are picking up images, its not being integrated in the cerebral cortex or occipital lobe to be specific. we see with our brain and not eyes. That's why you see some blind folks whose eyes are wide open but are blind (though in some cases like that, it may not be cortical blindness but optic tract pathology)

Gabrielshow24:
Think again 🤔; you clearly don’t realize how self-defeating your implication is.

What implications? Ogbeni answer question nah

jaephoenix:

Dude I don't need to quote any source. Babies are born cortically blind. What it means is that even though their optic nerves are picking up images, its not being integrated in the cerebral cortex or occipital lobe to be specific. we see with our brain and not eyes. That's why you see some blind folks whose eyes are wide open but are blind (though in some cases like that, it may not be cortical blindness but optic tract pathology)

this is misinformation! This is also false!

jaephoenix:

What implications? Ogbeni answer question nah

Watch your tone, young man! It seems you are unwittingly unaware of the contradictions in your stance. Allow me to break it down for you:
1. You asked a question about my God.
2. You itted that you don’t have direct video or audio evidence for your "stance".
3. Using this, you questioned why I believe in my God without video or audio evidence.

Do you see how you’ve already answered your own question? 🤨 If you can’t see it, then I’m afraid I can’t help you!

Gabrielshow24:
this is misinformation! This is also false!

That's my problem with you. I'm a physician and telling you stuff and you argue blindly. Please do your research and lets have it

Gabrielshow24:
Watch your tone, young man! It seems you are unwittingly unaware of the contradictions in your stance. Allow me to break it down for you:
1. You asked a question about my God.
2. You itted that you don’t have direct video or audio evidence for your "stance".
3. Using this, you questioned why I believe in my God without video or audio evidence.

Do you see how you’ve already answered your own question? 🤨 If you can’t see it, then I’m afraid I can’t help you!

You started with confusion yourself. You said you don't believe macro evolution but you believe Bible stories. That prompted my question. Can you see you're now the confused one

TenQ:

What if I tell you that the evidence that we have a Software called the Soul is that we move about and people can see us make actions, would that be enough evidence for you as you have applied to the navigator?


You are inherently describing the fact that something was programmed into a baby to learn to progress into an adult. So you think this was an accident?


If a baby was born blind, why was he equipped with a functional set of eyes with every part designed to accommodate light and interpret the data.
Do you think it was an accident?

In case you don't understand?
A foetus doesn't have to use it's eyes in the womb for anything but somehow, providence seems to know that the baby will like outside the fluid of the aminiotc sac and everything needed for life outside was prepared in the womb like the lungs and the eyes!

Could this just be an accident?

So because you see folks moving about, then automatically we have a 'soul'? Really? What if I tell you that the fact we eat food and it disappears in our tummy, is evidence that there is a big parasite in us. Would you believe?
About babies, so you're saying all the developments were made by a being? Yes or no?

jaephoenix:

That's my problem with you. I'm a physician and telling you stuff and you argue blindly. Please do your research and lets have it

A simple query says otherwise 😂.
Indeed you are a physician! Babies are not born blind! They can see, maybe perhaps you meant to say they have blurry vision🤔, apart from this you are outrightly wrong! —which doesn't look good for your self-professed profession!

jaephoenix:

You started with confusion yourself. You said you don't believe macro evolution but you believe Bible stories. That prompted my question. Can you see you're now the confused one

No, not really. We are using your standard of empirical proof! So far you don't have video or audio evidence 🤔.

Hence the reason why I am reflecting your argument against you! I didn't constrain my self to empiricism! My bible offers evidence and conviction! SCIENTIFIC dogmas offers solely materialism and empiricity!—which doesn't help you in this present case as you don't have direct audio or video evidence 😂!

Gabrielshow24:
A simple query says otherwise 😂.
Indeed you are a physician! Babies are not born blind! They can see, maybe perhaps you meant to say they have blurry vision🤔, apart from this you are outrightly wrong! —which doesn't look good for your self-professed profession!

Okay let's assume from your post here(which was deduced from Google) is true. Does blurry vision equate to being born with normal sight?
Their vision is 20/200 to 20/400, which is considered legally blind. Normal human vision is 20/20. So how can you compare 20/20 to 20/200 or 20/400. Which kain ignoramus am I even debating with?

Gabrielshow24:
No, not really. We are using your standard of empirical proof! So far you don't have video or audio evidence 🤔.

Hence the reason why I am reflecting your argument against you! I didn't constrain my self to empiricism! My bible offers evidence and conviction! SCIENTIFIC dogmas offers solely materialism and empiricity!—which doesn't help you in this present case as you don't have direct audio or video evidence 😂!

Please which evidence does your Bible offer? Just one?
are there any video evidence of your Bible?

jaephoenix:

So because you see folks moving about, then automatically we have a 'soul'? Really?

I was using your exact analogy. You said that the evidence that the Car Navigator has a Software is that you can see it.
Then I said that What if I tell you that the evidence that we have a Software called the Soul is that we move about and people can see us make actions, would that be enough evidence for you as you have applied to the navigator?

jaephoenix:

What if I tell you that the fact we eat food and it disappears in our tummy, is evidence that there is a big parasite in us. Would you believe?

Science is about explaining observables through making logical inferences about what we see.
It's not just about believing, it is about being Rational with information available and leaning upon the shoulders of those with better experiences that you

jaephoenix:

About babies, so you're saying all the developments were made by a being? Yes or no?

All I am saying is that doesn't it look like there is a DESIGN with attributes a Baby has after being born that seems to show that it was PREPARED from the womb to live on land.

Think well:
Do you think that this Apparent Design and Preparation came about by some random accident?

In your logical Experience:
Do you think that when you see a Fussion of Design, Preparation and interworking Systems, you know that these are sufficient EVIDENCE to know that an INTELLIGENT MIND fashioned such!?

Tell me:
If you followed Elon Musk to Mars and you found in the empty land and OBJECT (Like a RADIO or a COMPUTER or a VEHICLE or a HOUSE) that seems to be Designed AND it seems to be Functional AND it seems to be made up of a combination of two or more interworking Systems

1. Will you conclude that an INTELLIGENT BEING must have made it or that it EVOLVED by itself over billions of years?
2. Will it made sense to you if someone like the Brilliant Elon Musk INSISTS that he needs to physically SEE the MAKER of that OBJECT to accept that it was MADE?


The answer to this is the TRUTH whether you acknowledge it or not sir!



So, we can see that the UNIVERSE and particularly the Earth and it's contents is a multiplicity of interworking SYSTEMS from the atoms, to planets and from biological beings like VIRUS to Humans (those who go against ENTROPY) and to all the cycles that keep the Systems of Life Going like Carbon Cycle, Water Cycle, Phosphorus Cycle. sulphur Cycle, Oxygen Cycle.

Do you think All these are just happy coincidences or It is REASONABLE to conclude that an INTELLIGENT MIND designed and built them?

jaephoenix:

Have you been reading my posts or is your stupidity so bad you can't read? Did you read where I said I was asking questions as a kid?

If you like make claim that you were asking questions since when you were in your mother’s womb, the fact remains that you wrote that you started digging after your father died. The digging eventually led you into atheism.

So when your father was ruining people’s lives with his alcohol sales, you weren’t digging then because he was spending the proceeds on you and the rest of the family? You’re a selfish person!

jaephoenix:

Okay let's assume from your post here(which was deduced from Google) is true. Does blurry vision equate to being born with normal sight?
Their vision is 20/200 to 20/400, which is considered legally blind. Normal human vision is 20/20. So how can you compare 20/20 to 20/200 or 20/400. Which kain ignoramus am I even debating with?

Even this is foolishness, you made a claim they were born blind! Babies are never born blind! To even add insult to injury, you asserted all babies were born with cortical blindness; which is definitely not true! I had to force your hand to it that they had blurry vision 🤔 not that they were born blind! —A true physician should know the difference! Although the term 'legally blind' applies to them yet I don't think I should explain the difference between 'legally blind' and 'blind'! Even an educated child knows the difference let alone a self-professed physician!

You goofed big time!

jaephoenix:

Please which evidence does your Bible offer? Just one?
are there any video evidence of your Bible?

I’m not here to debate about biblical evidence—though we have plenty of historical evidence that corroborates biblical timelines, I won’t stoop so low as to assist your deviation! Stick to the original issue 🤨. By the way, we are using your standard 👀, and based on that standard, your belief in macroevolution 🤔 fails miserably!

Gabrielshow24:
though we have plenty of historical evidence that corroborates biblical timelines,

Evidence that s the most mundane things. Jerico existed, the Hebrews were enslaved by the Nebuchadnezzar, etc. Meanwhile none of the fantastic claims can be substantiated by any sort of evidence, no global flood, no escape from Egypt, no fallen walls of Jerico, etc. If you are going to believe the Bible because Jerico exists might as well believe the Marvel Universe because New York exists.