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MaxInDHouse:

The issue here is not communicating but language so the context differ.
We know creatures communicates but not using languages that help improve our living conditions.

Gods...

As usual, I exit this discussion...

Omoawoke:

Okay thank you…
So according to the Jewish version…. The African Orunmila is the demon, isn’t that racist?
How should we take it serious, the same people that treated your ancestors worse than animals, put them inside zoo and drowned them in Atlantic Ocean gave you this Bible ….
What do you think about this?

First of all the origin of Bible isn't England in fact politicians and slave traders used the Bible to scam many people but that doesn't mean the book is fake.
Secondly whatever happened in the past is bygone after all you are speaking the language of this slave traders today so are you saying we should continue living in the past due to what happened back then?

MaxInDHouse:


First of all the origin of Bible isn't England in fact politicians and slave traders used the Bible to scam many people but that doesn't mean the book is fake.
Secondly whatever happened in the past is bygone after all you are speaking the language of this slave traders today so are you saying we should continue living in the past due to what happened back then?

See my prompt to chatgpt… you can see it straight and direct. Not beating around the bush..

What can you say about this?

Aemmyjah:


Ask him if he now agrees with science that men can get pregnant and gender is no longer male and female but limitless

science says anyone who does not accept everything they say, that one is not intelligent

Retard pls cite me the paper, journal or academic consensus of science postulating this as a fact. Or you think this is your bable where any made up nonsense goes ?! Tick Tock! Show me the academic consensus or stfu. 😎

wirinet:

False. Science say no such thing. That's religious dogma that is set in stone and cannot be changed. Science theories change all the time. It changes according to data available at the time the observation is made. So many scientific theories have changed over the centuries - from gravity to the nature of the atom. The only theory that have stood the test of time and all attacks is the theory of evolution. It has not been disproved since it was theorised by Charles Darwin over 150 years ago.

There are aspects of the ToE which remain highly questionable and the pity is that the scientific world also has adopted the rigidity of religion with respect to the ToE as many Professors who have done research and written papers challenging it are persecuted by the academic community to the point of being ostracized.

Lucifyre:


Did i mention evolution?! Do you have evidence or not?! Or are you looking for tangents to weagle out cause there's obviously no evidence whatsoever.😋

And yes evolution has tons of evidence more than anything in your bible.

Imagine someone saying there is not evidence of evolution in the 21st century, when the complete human genome has been decoded. Genetics can pinpoint every gene in your body. They can use your genes to trace your relatives for many generations. They can reference the closeness to other animals by comparing the genes alone.

wirinet:

And you have evidence of this heaven, angels, superhumans (or is it superman) and all?

It's recorded in the Bible and people in far distant lands have folklores that says the same thing for instance Ifá methodology says:

"Nígbà tí Ògún ń ti ìsálú ọ̀run bọ̀ wá sí ìkọ̀lé ayé asọ iná ló mú bo'ra ẹ̀wù ẹ̀jẹ̀ ló wọ̀ sọ́rùn"

Meaning:

"When Ògún was coming from heaven to the earth, his clothing was fire and stained with blood"

So they believe that some superhumans came from heaven to the earth but it's the Bible that revealed the truth about this aliens.

MaxInDHouse:

It's recorded in the Bible and people in far distant lands have folklores that says the same thing for instance Ifá methodology says:

"Nígbà tí Ògún ń ti ìsálú ọ̀run bọ̀ wá sí ìkọ̀lé ayé asọ iná ló mú bo'ra ẹ̀wù ẹ̀jẹ̀ ló wọ̀ sọ́rùn"

Meaning:

"When Ògún was coming from heaven to the earth, his clothing was fire and stained with blood"

So they believe that some superhumans came from heaven to the earth but it's the Bible that revealed the truth about this aliens.

What if Yahweh is a fallen angel too?

You haven’t thought of that..
The same way Yahweh came upon the surface of the earth in the beginning

What if they all descended from their respective places and chose different locations on earth

Yahweh landed in Israel, ogun landed in Yorubaland…

And that’s why Yahweh is a jealous god, he doesn’t want to share Israel with anybody

And he specially called that land his chosen land and his chosen people

You think the creator of the universe will be fighting for land like Yahweh did?

Yahweh is a demon!

Omoawoke:

See my prompt to chatgpt… you can see it straight and direct. Not beating around the bush..
What can you say about this?

As the Creator Jehovah destroyed those disturbing His works Ọ̀rúnmìlà can't do the same nah because sex is the reason himself and his cohorts came to the earth and nothing more!

DeepSight:


There are aspects of the ToE which remain highly questionable and the pity is that the scientific world also has adopted the rigidity of religion with respect to the ToE as many Professors who have done research and written papers challenging it are persecuted by the academic community to the point of being ostracized.

My brother which aspects of the ToE do you find highly questionable? The main crux of the ToE is simple. It simply states that "All species of life have evolved over time from common ancestors through a process called natural selection".
Now, many other fields of study this theory, including Genetics, paleontology, comparative anatomy, molecular biology, biogeography and geology. I would be glad to see just one research paper that counters this simple but elegant theory

wirinet:

My brother which aspects of the ToE do you find highly questionable? The main crux of the ToE is simple. It simply states that "All species of life have evolved over time from common ancestors through a process called natural selection".
Now, many other fields of study this theory, including Genetics, paleontology, comparative anatomy, molecular biology, biogeography and geology. I would be glad to see just one research paper that counters this simple but elegant theory

I said aspects. I agree the central premises hold.
One of such aspects is the evolution of sexual reproduction.

Omoawoke:

What if Yahweh is a fallen angel too?
You haven’t thought of that..
The same way Yahweh came upon the surface of the earth in the beginning
What if they all descended from their respective places and chose different locations on earth. Yahweh landed in Israel, ogun landed in Yorubaland…
And that’s why Yahweh is a jealous god, he doesn’t want to share Israel with anybody. And he specially called that land his chosen land and his chosen people. You think the creator of the universe will be fighting for land like Yahweh did? Yahweh is a demon!

I love this!

Now let's reason together.
Yahweh's book (Bible) says a spirit being made the first human couple to rebel against Him so He send them out of His garden.
Later He destroyed all the inhabitants of the planet saving only Noah and his descendants but Satan's challenge is that humans can rule themselves without God's guidance so God must allow mankind see if that's possible.
That's why He chose only one nation and left the rest to continue ruling over themselves.
Only Israelites had no human king for centuries until they demanded for a King.
Abeg let me hear what Ọ̀rúnmìlà was up to all that time since you want to equate him with Yahweh!

Omoawoke:


What if Yahweh is a fallen angel too?

You haven’t thought of that..
The same way Yahweh came upon the surface of the earth in the beginning

What if they all descended from their respective places and chose different locations on earth

Yahweh landed in Israel, ogun landed in Yorubaland…

And that’s why Yahweh is a jealous god, he doesn’t want to share Israel with anybody

And he specially called that land his chosen land and his chosen people

You think the creator of the universe will be fighting for land like Yahweh did?

Yahweh is a demon!

Yahweh is the most narcissistic God in the whole of mythology. Allah comes a distant second. Zeus, Jupiter, Orunmila, Odin, amadioha, and Co are learning in of wickedness, egocentricism and genocide when compared to Yahweh.

correctguy101:


Gods...

As usual, I exit this discussion...

That guy is a sore trial.
Daft beyond compare.

wirinet:

Yahweh is the most narcissistic God in the whole of mythology. Allah comes a distant second. Zeus, Jupiter, Orunmila, Odin, amadioha, and Co are learning in of wickedness, egocentricism and genocide when compared to Yahweh.

Yahweh destroys because He has the right to wipe out nonsense on the planet He created.
That's why all others can't point to works they did apart from their worshipers who are praising them for thing we don't know of.

wirinet:

Yahweh is the most narcissistic God in the whole of mythology. Allah comes a distant second. Zeus, Jupiter, Orunmila, Odin, amadioha, and Co are learning in of wickedness, egocentricism and genocide when compared to Yahweh.

Check out my previous screenshot

Orunmila is not even wicked

Maybe Sango , Esu, Ogun could have been brutal, but they are learning work from Yahweh… Yahweh is the most evil and yet most celebrated character I’ve ever known…

He’s worse than Satan … a blood thirsty demon

wirinet:

Yahweh is the most narcissistic God in the whole of mythology. Allah comes a distant second. Zeus, Jupiter, Orunmila, Odin, amadioha, and Co are learning in of wickedness, egocentricism and genocide when compared to Yahweh.

Yahweh and Allah are pretty nasty pieces of work but I must tell you, Greek gods are absolutely capricious. When one reads Greek mythology, one wonders how anyone could ever have worshipped entities as wicked and callous as they are described.

Omoawoke:

Check out my previous screenshot
Orunmila is not even wicked
Maybe Sango , Esu, Ogun could have been brutal, but they are learning work from Yahweh… Yahweh is the most evil and yet most celebrated character I’ve ever known…
He’s worse than Satan … a blood thirsty demon

MaxInDHouse:

Yahweh destroys because He has the right to wipe out nonsense on the planet He created.
That's why all others can't point to works they did apart from their worshipers who are praising them for thing we don't know of.

MaxInDHouse:

As the Creator Jehovah destroyed those disturbing His works Ọ̀rúnmìlà can't do the same nah because sex is the reason himself and his cohorts came to the earth and nothing more!

You are projecting your own self delusions to make a story..
First; nothing anywhere ever proves that Orunmila was ever mentioned in the Bible… you just made up an assumption and concluded based on that… 😂

Omoawoke:


What if Yahweh is a fallen angel too?

You haven’t thought of that..
The same way Yahweh came upon the surface of the earth in the beginning

What if they all descended from their respective places and chose different locations on earth

Yahweh landed in Israel, ogun landed in Yorubaland…

And that’s why Yahweh is a jealous god, he doesn’t want to share Israel with anybody

And he specially called that land his chosen land and his chosen people

You think the creator of the universe will be fighting for land like Yahweh did?

Yahweh is a demon!

Thumbs up.

DeepSight:


I said aspects. I agree the central premises hold.
One of such aspects is the evolution of sexual reproduction.

Whats wrong with sexual reproduction? Sexual reproduction evolved to speed up the evolution process. Mixing genes from two different increase tremendously the number of ways the genes can combine to form different individuals, and also speed up mutation. Asexual reproduction would take much longer time to respond to changes in the environment.

Omoawoke:

You are projecting your own self delusions to make a story..
First; nothing anywhere ever proves that Orunmila was ever mentioned in the Bible… you just made up an assumption and concluded based on that...

Ọ̀rúnmìlà is the name Yorùbás gave that demon nah the Bible only explains what really happened and where they came from!

MaxInDHouse:

Yahweh destroys because He has the right to wipe out nonsense on the planet He created.
That's why all others can't point to works they did apart from their worshipers who are praising them for thing we don't know of.

This is the same excuse Muslim fundamentalists give for beheading non believers. They say Allah gave them the right to wipe out nonsense on the planet he created.

DeepSight:


Yahweh and Allah are pretty nasty pieces of work but I must tell you, Greek gods are absolutely capricious. When one reads Greek mythology, one wonders how anyone could ever have worshipped entities as wicked and callous as they are described.

That’s the essence of this thread..

Anybody that’s okay with the genocide, blood shed and merciless killings in the Bible is evil themselves


That’s why religious people are the most evil people on earth
Maxindhouse

What do you have to defend Yahweh… I think Yahweh is the fallen demon himself… the chief deceiver, god of confusion and violence and he has successfully confused you to be God while he is the real demon… that’s the plot twist! Bingo!

Yahweh is the demon

1st Samuel 15 vs 3

Now go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Do not spare them. Kill men and women, infants and nursing babies, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys

How can a sane human justify a god that says you should kill nursing babies!!!! How?

Oya maxindhouse, I know definitely you will find a justification for this..

And that’s why you are religious and that’s the essence of this thread. To show it to you that you are evil

Omoawoke:


That’s the essence of this thread..

Anybody that’s okay with the genocide, blood shed and merciless killings in the Bible is evil themselves

That’s why religious people are the most evil people on earth
Maxindhouse

What do you have to defend Yahweh… I think Yahweh is the fallen demon himself… the chief deceiver, god of consul and violence and he has successfully confused you to be God while he is the real demon… that’s the plot twist! Bingo!

Yahweh is the demon

1st Samuel 15 vs 3

Now go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Do not spare them. Kill men and women, infants and nursing babies, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys

How can a sane human justify a god that says you should kill nursing babies!!!! How !!

Exactly. People tend to take the character of the God they worship.

wirinet:

This is the same excuse Muslim fundamentalists give for beheading non believers. They say Allah gave them the right to wipe out nonsense on the planet he created.

Good!
So what has their god been doing that is noteworthy?
Jehovah journeyed to Egypt the world's most powerful nation of the time with two feeble octogenarians (Aaron and Moses) and freed thousands of Israelites from slavery.
That's a warning signal for any nation on the way that this God is the Almighty not some demons using humans to fight for territory.
So if any nation decides to fight with this people who are coming with such a God what advice will you give them?

Omoawoke:


Check out my previous screenshot

Orunmila is not even wicked

Maybe Sango , Esu, Ogun could have been brutal, but they are learning work from Yahweh… Yahweh is the most evil and yet most celebrated character I’ve ever known…

He’s worse than Satan … a blood thirsty demon

Where did you get the notion that Satan is a blood thirsty demon? Even the Bible did not describe him as such. Satan only killed on person in the whole of the bible - Job, and he got permission from Yahweh. Now compare to Yahweh.

wirinet:

Whats wrong with sexual reproduction? Sexual reproduction evolved to speed up the evolution process. Mixing genes from two different increase tremendously the number of ways the genes can combine to form different individuals, and also speed up mutation. Asexual reproduction would take much longer time to respond to changes in the environment.

I am not sure you have reflected on the process. It's highly questionable that male organs would evolve to exactly complement female organs to complete sexual reproduction, aside from the small problem of the fact that it would have to happen simultaneously to be valid.

I raised the critical questions years ago here -

https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/1571602/evolution-sexes-sexxual-reproduction

@ Wirinet -

Here are the 12 posers I raised in that old thread.

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The reason I think it is a glaring sore thumb, and the genuine source of the controversies: is the fact that these phenomena are in reality completely outside the purview of the principles girding the Theory of Evolution! Natural selection and mutation of the sort advanced by the Theory of Evolution actually have no bearing whatsoever on these phenomena: and that is the real reason that evolutionists struggle in such wild confusion to force these phenomena under the trappings of evolutionary theory even when the principles of evolution have no bearing on them!

For your deep thinking please:

1. Why were the first unicellular organisms (which supposedly arose spontaenously from some pre biotic soup - [proposition not within ToE]) self replicating organisms at all?

2. If they were not self-replicating organisms, what factor led them to evolve the faculties of self replication at all.

3. If they were not self-replicating in nature, after first coming into existence, then they would have died, and the existence of any other such would depend on fresh flukes supposedly in some pre biotic soups.

4. Why is life self replicating at all? What s for this?

5. Further down the evolutionary path (and with great astonishing bounds and leaps of faith, I might add), why did se.xual organisms evolve?

6. In the case of se.xual organisms, which sex evolved first - male or female. Or did they evolve simultaenously, and how and why so? What evolutionary impetus drove this process, what caused this to happen at all. Or did females evolve from males only or males from females only or both from sexually neutral organisms?

7. Is it possible for a sexually neutral organism to evolve into two different and complimentary sexes?

8. Taken that separate sexes emerge, what evolutionary impetus drives and informs the aggregation of reproductive se.men in one sex while simultaneously driving the formation of a se.xual reproductive system complete with a womb in the other sex?

9. Further on, what evolutionary impetus would be responsible for the development of the pe.nis and testicles for the male, and simultaneously form the (ittedly eminently fit for purpose) va.gina and womb for the female?

10. What evolutionary process would cause the bodies to evolve such DNA transfer mechanisms as to be able to create the full copy of a complete creature through a se.xual process? What evolutionary impetus leads to this? What evolutionary explanation would there be for the coming to existence of umbilical cords?

11. What evolutionary pressure at the same time as all this also led to the formation of mammary glands (br.easts) for the female only, suitable for the nutrition of new born babies?

12. Where it is explained that men and women have all the foregoing se.xual differences on of differences in hormones, what evolutionary explanation is there for the difference in hormones in the first place? And with this last question bear in mind that if they were not male and female already, there would be no separate male and female needs to drive such evolution of separate and different hormonal systems ab initio!

A careful dwelling on each of these questions from the standpoint of the holistic supposed process of evolution - and in line with the principles of evolution as taught, is that which you guys need to do: and therewith see with immediate clarity that which I contend, namely that these are phenomena completely outside the purview of any evolutionary principles whatsoever, which is why they do not have any possible evolutionary explanation.

MaxInDHouse:

Good!
So what has their god been doing that is noteworthy?
Jehovah journeyed to Egypt the world's most powerful nation of the time with two feeble octogenarians (Aaron and Moses) and freed thousands of Israelites from slavery.
That's a warning signal for any nation on the way that this God is the Almighty not some demons using humans to fight for territory.
So if any nation decides to fight with this people who are coming with such a God what advice will you give them?

First of all, there is no evidence outside the Torah that the Israelites were ever held in slavery in Egypt. The Egyptians were excellent record keepers, they had no record of Joseph, Jewish enslavement, the plagues, Moses, and most ridiculous of all - a whole Pharaoh with his whole army drowning in the red sea.

Omoawoke:

Now go and attack the Amalekites and completely destroy everything they have. Do not spare them. Kill men and women, infants and nursing babies, oxen and sheep, camels and donkeys.

Amalekites attacked the Israelites on their way from Egypt knowing fully well they are not prepared for war {Exodus 17:8} from that day Yahweh told Moses that Amalek will be wiped out from the surface of the earth! Exodus 17:14
So you need to know what prompted this events!

DeepSight:


I am not sure you have reflected on the process. It's highly questionable that male organs would evolve to exactly complement female organs to complete sexual reproduction, aside from the small problem of the fact that it would have to happen simultaneously to be valid.

I raised the critical questions years ago here -

https://nairaland.unblockandhide.com/1571602/evolution-sexes-sexxual-reproduction

My brother male and female organs did not just evolve spontaneously. The organs evolved much later. It was the sex cells that first evolved and specialised in reproduction.

According to evolutionary theory, single cell organism lasted for a very long time before aggregating into multicellular. So asexual reproduction was the only means of reproduction. Also well into the early multicellular phase asexual reproduction ruled. It was when cells began to differentiate and organism increased in complexity that organs began to evolve. Complex organism were more vulnerable to environmental changes than simple or single cell organism, and thus a way to speed up evolution was required, this was where sexual reproduction came to the rescue.

It's a more complex process, and I read it quote a while ago, but I just presented you the summary.