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Kobojunkie:
They are people whose ancestry can be traced back to Jacob, aka Israelites.

I see , Only Israelites would make Paradise

Newgoodkk:
I see , Only Israelites would make Paradise

. Did you learn grammar and comprehension in School? If you didn't, you should consider brushing up on it, as it would help you properly comprehend the content of that book, which your religious overlords would rather have you believing requires bogus interpretations.

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Jesus Christ of Israel did not employ the term saved or any of its synonyms in the context of that conversation on the cross with the thief hanging there beside him. Jesus Christ of Israel also did not allude to the man having any special benefits bestowed on that man beyond what Jesus Christ of Israel proclaimed would take place that very same day to the man and His person. Before that conversation on the cross, we learned from Jesus Christ of Israel that when the day when He would be handed to the foreigners came around, He would be found in the grave — He would die that day. Jesus Christ of Israel also insisted that He would be in the grave for 2 days after that — 3 days in the grave. It should then follow that when Jesus Christ of Israel announced to the man on the cross that he— the thief— would be with Him— Jesus Christ of Israel— in a place referred to as Paradise that same day what Jesus Christ of Israel meant was that the man would, along with Jesus Christ, die that same day.

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NB: in Paradise seems to have been used by Jesus Christ of Israel as a sort of euphemism as an indirect expression representing "the grave" or "death".

MaxInDHouse:

I know you don't see JWs as teachers of God's word but i will share my beliefs so you can know what all JWs have in mind.

They wrongly interpret the Bible that is why.

Jesus promised that God's Holy Spirit will be used to anoint some of his disciples so they will become BORN AGAIN after their water baptism {John 3:3-5} that's what happened at Pentecost 33 c.e after Jesus' ascension to heaven.
So those BORN AGAIN Christians are the brothers of Christ that we must IDENTIFY for our salvation that's why Paul wrote in his letter to Jewish Christians:

"Be obedient to those who are taking the lead among you and be submissive, for they are keeping watch over you as those who will render an , so that they may do this with joy and not with sighing, for this would be damaging to you." Hebrews 13:17

The highlighted in blue simply means whoever refuses to obey them will not have Christ's approval! Matthew 25:40, 45,46

Jesus told them that he is taking them to heaven where they will no longer live as humans but as angels {Luke 20:34-36} and Paul seconded Jesus' word at 1Thessalonians 4:16-17 so while they are humans like you and i they've been chosen as BORN AGAIN to become angels in the future.

That's why Jesus could call them his brothers!

You really didn't answer my question I don't know if you realize that. According to scripture Jesus referred to humans as his brethren, if Jesus is not a human how come he called them his brothers?
By the way, if Jesus was an angel why did Paul call Jesus a man?
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

Steep:
They wrongly interpret the Bible that is why.

That's what different religions are saying before they now amount to thousands in number yet claiming denominations of the same religion.
So if Kumuyi agree with Adeboye, if Oyedepo agree with Olukoya if Mouka agree with Oyakilome there won't be different religions in the name of denominations each is saying the same thing you just said:
"They wrongly interpret the Bible"

Steep:

You really didn't answer my question I don't know if you realize that. According to scripture Jesus referred to humans as his brethren, if Jesus is not a human how come he called them his brothers?
By the way, if Jesus was an angel why did Paul call Jesus a man?
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus.

I have answered but you never followed!
Jesus WAS an angel in heaven before his earthly mission {John 8:23} and after his ascension he returned to the spirit realms as an angel. His subjects are humans on earth as he is going to rule as king from heaven. John 18:36
But he is taking 144,000 humans there to serve as his corulers {Revelations 14:1 compare to John 14:1-3} these ones will become BORN AGAIN {John 3:3-5} meaning after their earthly course they will also become angels like him in heaven! Luke 20:34-36
Paul referred to Jesus as man because that is what Jesus became here when he was born by a woman! Matthew 20:28

MaxInDHouse:

That's what different religions are saying before they now amount to thousands in number yet claiming denominations of the same religion.
So if Kumuyi agree with Adeboye, if Oyedepo agree with Olukoya if Mouka agree with Oyakilome there won't be different religions in the name of denominations each is saying the same thing you just said:
"They wrongly interpret the Bible"

There must surely be disagreements what matters is if the scripture is properly taught.

I have answered but you never followed!
Jesus WAS an angel in heaven before his earthly mission {John 8:23} and after his ascension he returned to the spirit realms as an angel. His subjects are humans on earth as he is going to rule as king from heaven. John 18:36

Jesus never said he was an angel in heaven in John 8:23. Can you show it explicitly?

But he is taking 144,000 humans there to serve as his corulers {Revelations 14:1 compare to John 14:1-3} these ones will become BORN AGAIN {John 3:3-5} meaning after their earthly course they will also become angels like him in heaven! Luke 20:34-36
Paul referred to Jesus as man because that is what Jesus became here when he was born by a woman! Matthew 20:28

The 144. 000 were jews and no mention of them becoming angels. Being born again is the same as salvation, all true Christians are born again and it does not mean they become angels.
Luke 20:35 said those that would inherit the world to come would not marry

They will be equal to the angels of God.

Luke 20:35 But they which shall be ed worthy to obtain that world, and the resurrection from the dead, neither marry, nor are given in marriage:

However they will not be angels.
Hebrews 2:5 For unto the angels hath he not put in subjection the world to come, whereof we speak.
The world to come is not subject to Angels bit to men.

If Jesus is no longer a man why will Paul still be referring to him as "the man christ Jesus"

If Jesus is no longer a man that means Jesus could not be a priest neither can he referred to humans as brothers?

Paul is making a statement of the present.
1 Timothy 2:5 For there is one God, and one mediator between God and men, the man Christ Jesus;

There is one God and one mediator between God and men and who is this mediator? Answer is a man not an angel. Let's say I was an American however I renounced my American nationality would you still be calling me an American?
If Jesus has stopped being a man that means Paul would be referring to another Jesus.

You see that Jehovah witness organization are preaching another Jesus.
2 Corinthians 11:4 For if he that cometh preacheth another Jesus, whom we have not preached, or if ye receive another spirit, which ye have not received, or another gospel, which ye have not accepted, ye might well bear with him.

Steep:
There must surely be disagreements what matters is if the scripture is properly taught.

So called it disagreement not wrong interpretation it simply means there is a disagreement between my beliefs and yours!

Steep:

Jesus never said he was an angel in heaven in John 8:23. Can you show it explicitly?

Apart from God all spirit beings in heaven are God's sons (angels) so Jesus coming from heaven means he is one of God's sons an angel!

Steep:

The 144. 000 were jews and no mention of them becoming angels.

They are people chosen from different countries throughout the world and Jesus said they will become angels when they get to heaven! Luke 20:34-36
Being born again simply means those chosen to rule with Christ not all Christians. Millions of us aren't going to heaven earth is our home and this is where we are designed to live forever!

Kobojunkie:
. Did you learn grammar and comprehension in School? If you didn't, you should consider brushing up on it, as it would help you properly comprehend the content of that book, which your religious overlords would rather have you believing requires bogus interpretations.

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Jesus Christ of Israel did not employ the term saved or any of its synonyms in the context of that conversation on the cross with the thief hanging there beside him. Jesus Christ of Israel also did not allude to the man having any special benefits bestowed on that man beyond what Jesus Christ of Israel proclaimed would take place that very same day to the man and His person. Before that conversation on the cross, we learned from Jesus Christ of Israel that when the day when He would be handed to the foreigners came around, He would be found in the grave — He would die that day. Jesus Christ of Israel also insisted that He would be in the grave for 2 days after that — 3 days in the grave. It should then follow that when Jesus Christ of Israel announced to the man on the cross that he— the thief— would be with Him— Jesus Christ of Israel— in a place referred to as Paradise that same day what Jesus Christ of Israel meant was that the man would, along with Jesus Christ, die that same day.

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NB: in Paradise seems to have been used by Jesus Christ of Israel as a sort of euphemism as an indirect expression representing "the grave" or "death".

I see , Only Israelites would make Paradise , Answer My Question...Just Answer my Question.I Repeat .

Heaven ( Paradise ) Whatever Interpretation you Personally give it & Hell .These are the Two Places . You mean only Isrealites that would make Heaven ? Yes or No

MaxInDHouse:

So called it disagreement not wrong interpretation it simply means there is a disagreement between my beliefs and yours!

Disagreements only minor issues, anyone who disagree on major issue is obviously not part of the body of christ.

Apart from God all spirit beings in heaven are God's sons (angels) so Jesus coming from heaven means he is one of God's sons an angel!

That is a wrong conclusion because Jesus is God not an angel.

They are people chosen from different countries throughout the world and Jesus said they will become angels when they get to heaven! Luke 20:34-36
Being born again simply means those chosen to rule with Christ not all Christians. Millions of us aren't going to heaven earth is our home and this is where we are designed to live forever!

Jesus said anyone not born again will not see the kingdom of God.

John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.


According to the Bible anyone who believe in Christ is born of God not a select few.

1 John 5:1 Whosoever believeth that Jesus is the Christ is born of God: and every one that loveth him that begat loveth him also that is begotten of him.

You have stylishly dodge the part of my quote where I showed you Jesus is a man not an angel.
And no humans won't become angels because Jesus is not angel and the world to come is not subject to Angels but to humans.

Steep:
Disagreements only minor issues, anyone who disagree on major issue is obviously not part of the body of christ.

Disagreement that makes worshipers to discriminate among themselves shey? 1Corinthans 1:10-14
Ọmọ that's confirmed disarray if you are deceiving yourself i'm not!

Steep:

That is a wrong conclusion because Jesus is God not an angel.

Well you can only prove it wrong by the demonstration of adherents that's what faith means {Hebrew 11:1} not just arguments so present the works of your faith! James 2:18-26

Steep:

Jesus said anyone not born again will not see the kingdom of God.
John 3:3 Jesus answered and said unto him, Verily, verily, I say unto thee, Except a man be born again, he cannot see the kingdom of God.

That's for Jews whom he came to call as his corulers not the nations.

Steep:

According to the Bible anyone who believe in Christ is born of God not a select few.

Different context: born of God differs from born again!

MaxInDHouse:

Disagreement that makes worshipers to discriminate among themselves shey? 1Corinthans 1:10-14
Ọmọ that's confirmed disarray if you are deceiving yourself i'm not!

even in the early church where Paul and Peter were minster people discriminated to the extent some claimed to be followers of Peter, some same they are of Apollos others say they belong to Paul, does that mean the early Christians were not true worshiper? That your one line of thought without disagreement is alien to the body of christ.

Well you can only prove it wrong by the demonstration of adherents that's what faith means {Hebrew 11:1} not just arguments so present the works of your faith! James 2:18-26

The scripture said be prepared to defend your faith. If you claim to be teaching the truth from the Bible you should not be running away from scrutiny rather you should be happy about it.

That's for Jews whom he came to call as his corulers not the nations.

Jesus anyone who is not born of God can't see the kingdom of God he did not say its for the jews only.

Different context: born of God differs from born again!

Nah, they are the same.

1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Peter is referring to his audience as "born again". You will agree with me that Peter is not writing to spirits but to men who were born again hence to be born again doesn't mean you literally become spirit, it is the same as being born of God.

Steep:
even in the early church where Paul and Peter were minster people discriminated to the extent some claimed to be followers of Peter, some same they are of Apollos others say they belong to Paul, does that mean the early Christians were not true worshiper? That your one line of thought without disagreement is alien to the body of christ.

Oneness is what Jesus prayed {John 17:22} for so when there is no oneness it means those people aren't practicing true Christianity!

Steep:

The scripture said be prepared to defend your faith. If you claim to be teaching the truth from the Bible you should not be running away from scrutiny rather you should be happy about it.

Defending the faith before a believer or unbeliever?
If you've seen what Jesus said but you are not in agreement the scriptures said there is no need to continue arguing! Philippians 2:14; 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

Steep:

Jesus anyone who is not born of God can't see the kingdom of God he did not say its for the jews only.
Nah, they are the same.
1 Peter 1:23 Being born again, not of corruptible seed, but of incorruptible, by the word of God, which liveth and abideth for ever.

Born of God is not born again!

Steep:

Peter is referring to his audience as "born again". You will agree with me that Peter is not writing to spirits but to men who were born again hence to be born again doesn't mean you literally become spirit, it is the same as being born of God.

You are misconstruing the whole thing.
Born again Christians will inherit heaven {Matthew 5:3} while all other believers will inherit the earth! Matthew 5:5

MaxInDHouse:

Oneness is what Jesus prayed {John 17:22} for so when there is no oneness it means those people aren't practicing true Christianity!

even the apostles had disagreement but that does not mean they are not one. Again, all true Christians have one belief in the things that matters most in the Christian faith. Having minor disagreements doesn't mean lack of unity.

Defending the faith before a believer or unbeliever?
If you've seen what Jesus said but you are not in agreement the scriptures said there is no need to continue arguing! Philippians 2:14; 1Timothy 6:4; Titus 3:9

Of course defending faith is before an unbeliever.

Born of God is not born again!


You are misconstruing the whole thing.
Born again Christians will inherit heaven {Matthew 5:3} while all other believers will inherit the earth! Matthew 5:5

No such thing in the Bible. Being born again is for all Christians not a select few. If you are not born again you won't see the kingdom of God meaning you would not be in God's kingdom in other words your portion is in the lake of fire.

That is why I said you have a false security.

Newgoodkk:
➜ I see , Only Israelites would make Paradise , Answer My Question...Just Answer my Question.I Repeat .
Heaven ( Paradise ) Whatever Interpretation you Personally give it & Hell .These are the Two Places . You mean only Isrealites that would make Heaven ? Yes or No

Wow... It seems you have been stripped of much of your ability to comprehend the language after all.

Steep:
even the apostles had disagreement!

This is a lie the Apostles perfectly agree!

Steep:

Of course defending faith is before an unbeliever.

Well, are you an unbeliever?

Steep:

No such thing in the Bible. Being born again is for all Christians not a select few.

Jesus was talking to the Jews here not all people.

Steep:
That is why I said you have a false security.

That's what i believe about you too!