NewStats: 3,261,836 , 8,175,326 topics. Date: Friday, 30 May 2025 at 06:15 PM 1l5c3m

bidex111:


This table you're shaking...

I swear this brother lives for violence, especially for South African matters
But kabe1, calm down bro. Let’s not throw stones while living in a glass house.

kabe1:
The South African Air Force (SAAF) has all but collapsed, and has no fighting capacity left. It has only six operable military aircraft.


https://www.news24.com/news24/investigations/defenceless-only-six-of-330-sa-air-force-aircraft-in-working-order-20250324



Let me leave this here.

Debunked, completely News24 used sources from 2023 which wasn't even correct then.

andrewza:


SOE does not need to make a Profit (look at how many are subberserdized) and the Supper wealthy companies in China are not SOEs

even NPOs need to technically make a profit to be sustainable bru!!

Also the biggest companies in China are SOEs

kabe1:


Enough to wipe the floor with the SANDF.

I mean your defeated Soldiers were taking pictures of iration with M23 commanders. A group Rwanda backs and you think you can withstand Rwanda in any sort of combat.

It would be a helpless shellacking.

The SANDF is a joke!!!

M23 couldn't even take the SANDF base while outnumbering a peacekeeping force 10-1 , Nigeria loses bases in Nigeria to BH weekly

kabe1:




How was South-Africa going to fight Rwanda with 6 operational aircrafts?

And how many helicopters does Rwanda have?

kabe1:


Enough to wipe the floor with the SANDF.

I mean your defeated Soldiers were taking pictures of iration with M23 commanders. A group Rwanda backs and you think you can withstand Rwanda in any sort of combat.

It would be a helpless shellacking.

The SANDF is a joke!!!

It clear you dont know what you talking about

jl115:
even NPOs need to technically make a profit to be sustainable bru!!

Also the biggest companies in China are SOEs

When they subersdized by the government is there Profit even real?

I never said there SOEs where not the biggest. One of the largest south African companies is a SOE. China has large non SOE companies that make a lot of money

Example Tencent is one of the worlds largest multi media company thst focus on video games. İt is massive. İt is chinness and a publicaly traded company. So yeah China is not Marxist in any form.

Odunayaw, GreenandGold, your favourite beauty might have buyers after all!

Growing interest in Jorsin’s Tau APC

Unveiled at the Africa Aerospace and Defence (AAD) 2024 exhibition, Jorsin’s Tau armoured personnel carrier (APC) has caught the eye of several African states as they seek an affordable and reliable solution to their military transport needs.

The Tau, which is inspired by the famed Ratel 6×6 infantry combat vehicle, is a new 4×4 armoured personnel carrier aimed at maximising reliability through simplicity. Jorsin’s Jorrie Jordaan told defenceWeb that the company has received interest from a number of African countries, including Zambia and Cameroon. While progress on an arrangement with Zambia has been slow, the country expressed a desire to obtain an affordable and reliable troop carrier for its contribution to United Nations peacekeeping missions.

In of Cameroon, Jorsin is expecting to receive a representative of Cameroon sometime at the end of March 2025 with the intent of reviewing the Tau as well as potentially an upgraded Ratel. Zambia is expected to purchase a number of vehicles while Cameroon is expected to place an order for a number in the near future.

Notably, the Tau was designed specifically to deal with the challenging conditions found across the African market. Consequently, Jordaan emphasises that Jorsin consciously decided to minimise the presence and importance of electronic components within the Tau in order to ease the need for maintenance and limit areas of failure.

The Tau is also designed for maximum flexibility, and is capable of not only utilising existing Ratel turrets but also Cold War-era Russian turrets that many African countries may already have in their domestic stockpiles. That means that it is possible for African states to buy the Tau without an expensive new turret and simply repurpose their existing systems. As a consequence, the Tau comes in at a markedly lower price as compared to similarly sized vehicles.

Beyond simplicity the Tau is relatively unique in its ability to be transported to where it is needed by any and all means of transport, be it road, rail, or air, due to its relatively low weight and compact proportions. While other 4×4 APCs tend to be some 14 to 16 tons, the Tau by comparison weighs well under 12 tons, turret included. Furthermore, the platform provides an immense level of versatility, in of possible use. For example, Jorsin proudly boasts of its ability to be used as an ambulance, command vehicle, as well as its primary role as a troop carrier, among others.

Additionally, a key attraction point of the Tau, particularly to the African market, is the ease of maintenance for the vehicle. Jordaan points to the fact that the power pack can be removed in less than five minutes for maintenance, repairs, or replacement. This is one example of the focus on simplicity and a -friendly design philosophy. “This is one of the aspects of the Tau that makes it relatively unique. There is no other comparable vehicle that can be serviced and repaired so quickly,” Jordaan told defenceWeb.

While Jorsin is willing and able to produce the APC itself for African clients, the company told defenceWeb that it is willing and keen to sell the intellectual property of the Tau to other stakeholders in South Africa such as the SA National Defence Force (SANDF) or Denel to enable rapid production of the vehicle for the SANDF.

The Tau can accommodate up to thirteen crew (ten in the rear crew compartment plus a driver, a commander and a gunner in an optional turret). A horizontal double rear door functions as a flip-up/drop-down ramp, facilitating easy entry and exit. Roof-mounted hatches provide alternative access points, while side-mounted armoured glass windows with integrated shooting ports offer good visibility.

As with the Ratel, the driver is positioned in the centre of the vehicle, avoiding the need to offer the vehicle in left or right hand drive configurations. “This placement offers full frontal visibility through armoured glass, significantly enhancing offroad manoeuvrability. A dedicated hatch provides the driver with easy access to the vehicle,” Jorsin explained.

The vehicle is powered by a Cummins 157 kW (210 hp) turbocharged and intercooled diesel engine driving an Allison six-speed automatic transmission through a Meritor two-speed transfer gearbox, giving a maximum speed of 115 km/h and range of 800 km plus. A Meritor fully independent suspension provides enhanced off-road mobility and “superb” on-road stability, eliminating the wobble the Ratel is known for.

The vehicle makes use of a monocoque hull manufactured from 8 mm armoured steel to provide ballistic protection to NATO STANAG Level II (stopping up to 7.62×39 mm armour piercing rounds). A turret weighing 1 500 kg can be fitted to the vehicle.
https://www.defenceweb.co.za/featured/growing-interest-in-jorsins-tau-apc/

Lurker4Long:
Odunayaw, GreenandGold, your favourite beauty might have buyers after all!

I still gasped in horror. But the Ratel has pedigree it will ride on.

Lurker4Long:
Odunayaw, GreenandGold, your favourite beauty might have buyers after all!

Please let that vehicle di.e.... asseblief tog

I mean, I personally design better-looking vehicles on a Sunday morning.

andrewza:



It clear you dont know what you talking about

I'm not the one who confirmed you only have 6 operational aircrafts.

MiddleDimension:


And how many helicopters does Rwanda have?

You need to understand the difference between an aircraft and a helicopter, when you do, you can come back to me with this question.

jl115:
M23 couldn't even take the SANDF base while outnumbering a peacekeeping force 10-1 , Nigeria loses bases in Nigeria to BH weekly

There enough video evidence showing your soldiers raising the white flag and taking pictures with their captors in iration.

The SANDF is a joke.

jl115:
Debunked, completely News24 used sources from 2023 which wasn't even correct then.

Debunked by whom, their's no evidence that you have more than 6 Operational aircrafts.

I mean you have helicopters grounded in the DRC.

The SANDF is a mess!

andrewza:
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QuietMynd:

U know u don't have to respond to every moniker right ?

I second this advice.

kabe1:


There enough video evidence showing your soldiers raising the white flag and taking pictures with their captors in iration.

The SANDF is a joke.

The white flag is a flag of truce not surrender. İt is a sign to intent to talk or to show that you not in combat. There have been time when the attacker has flowen a white flag to aproach a defender to talk to them.


So please dont talk about things you know nothing about

kabe1:


Debunked by whom, their's no evidence that you have more than 6 Operational aircrafts.

I mean you have helicopters grounded in the DRC.

The SANDF is a mess!

I posted the source you all just cant read. İ know your country does not invest in schooling but I am shocked just how dumb you all are.

kabe1:


You need to understand the difference between an aircraft and a helicopter, when you do, you can come back to me with this question.

A helcopter is a class of aircraft. There is no difrence according to the SAAF

kabe1:


I'm not the one who confirmed you only have 6 operational aircrafts.

No, news 24 made the claim. They using data that is both wrong and old. İ posted the evidiance that explains it but you can just see the news 24 articel got the number of aircraft in the Saaf wrong.

andrewza:


A helcopter is a class of aircraft. There is no difrence according to the SAAF

An aircraft includes all flying machine.

Your national news provided data you only have 6 operational flying machines, not just helicopters which is a type of aircraft, but not the only aircraft.

You don't understand the difference, yet here you are arguing.


This is exactly why the SAAF only has 6 operational.

andrewza:



I posted the source you all just cant read. İ know your country does not invest in schooling but I am shocked just how dumb you all are.

Doesn't change the fact you only have 6 operational aircrafts.

What a disaster of a military.

andrewza:


The white flag is a flag of truce not surrender. İt is a sign to intent to talk or to show that you not in combat. There have been time when the attacker has flowen a white flag to aproach a defender to talk to them.


So please dont talk about things you know nothing about

You military got comprehensively beaten, begged for a ceasefire and took tiktok videos with their victors.

Good sportsmanship I guess!!!

What a shame.


Defeated in Mozambique, defeated in the DRC yet you want to go to war with Rwanda.

Two theaters with heavy Rwandan presence.

What a joke!!

kabe1:


An aircraft includes all flying machine.

Your national news provided data you only have 6 operational flying machines, not just helicopters which is a type of aircraft, but not the only aircraft.

You don't understand the difference, yet here you are arguing.


This is exactly why the SAAF only has 6 operational.

News 24 is not our nastional news. They a online news site

The fact you dont know this means maybe you should not talk.

The closet we have to a nastional news is SABC

kabe1:


Doesn't change the fact you only have 6 operational aircrafts.

What a disaster of a military.

The art source i posted that actually cited where it got its info out the number at 20% out of 199 or arround 40. Still low but not the 6 out of 300 news 24 claimed. İf you going to shit on south Africa uses actual numbers.


As for the qustion asked about rawanda they have 21 aircraft total. SAAF spends far less of perctange of it GDP on defence to.

kabe1:


You military got comprehensively beaten, begged for a ceasefire and took tiktok videos with their victors.

Good sportsmanship I guess!!!

What a shame.


Defeated in Mozambique, defeated in the DRC yet you want to go to war with Rwanda.

Two theaters with heavy Rwandan presence.

What a joke!!

Those rebels all so never took over the SANDF base. They held there ground unlike the times nigerian solders have dressed as civlians to run away.

What defeat in mozambique. When we left there where no more rebel attacks and the local government was not working with us.

GreenandGold:
I mean, I personally design better-looking vehicles on a Sunday morning.

If a 90mm canon could be slapped on it, that would be the perfect replacement for the operators of the Panhard AML-90.

andrewza:


News 24 is not our nastional news. They a online news site

The fact you dont know this means maybe you should not talk.

The closet we have to a nastional news is SABC

You're too dull!

A national news is any media that has significant representation/Presence across the federation.

With people like you in the SANDF, I see exactly why you only have 6 operational aircraft.

andrewza:



Those rebels all so never took over the SANDF base. They held there ground unlike the times nigerian solders have dressed as civlians to run away.

What defeat in mozambique. When we left there where no more rebel attacks and the local government was not working with us.

We have picture and video of defeated SA soldiers raising the white flag.

There's enough video evidence showing SA soldiers celebrating with their captors and taking videos with them.

The SANDF is toast.!!!!

andrewza:


The art source i posted that actually cited where it got its info out the number at 20% out of 199 or arround 40. Still low but not the 6 out of 300 news 24 claimed. İf you going to shit on south Africa uses actual numbers.


As for the qustion asked about rawanda they have 21 aircraft total. SAAF spends far less of perctange of it GDP on defence to.

I don't need to shit on South-Africa, your national news service has done a perfect job already!!!



The SANDF is a joke and with clowns like you in it, I can clearly see why.

kabe1:


You're too dull!

A national news is any media that has significant representation/Presence across the federation.

With people like you in the SANDF, I see exactly why you only have 6 operational aircraft.

We not a federastion. We are a republic. The fact you got this fact wrong means your country should be ashamed of you.

News 24 is online they have reprenstastion globaly. İt does not mean they nastional. The south African nastional broad cast company is SABC.

kabe1:


You need to understand the difference between an aircraft and a helicopter, when you do, you can come back to me with this question.

Oh, i made a mistake there.

So, let me ask the question again but this time, with a different word.

So, how many aircrafts does Rwanda have?