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This view by Jehovah's witnesses implies that politicians are under Satan's rule as such, that is why the world is bad as it is.

The problem with this view is not that Satan is not the ruler of the world, but what Jehovah's witnesses interpret the "world" to mean. The world there are those who do not have relationship with God, it is not politicians. And definitely not the cosmos.

If any person, whether politician or not, rejects God's standards and follows his own or the standard of the world, he is under Satan's rulership. But if a ruler follows God's guidelines, even if he is a ruler, he is not under Satan's rule.

We understand that there is a place for imperfection, and this can be attributed to Satan, but even the righteous makes mistakes as well.

This starts to make sense when we consider the land of Israel. If you're a king in ancient Israel, you sat on God's throne. The throne in Jerusalem is God's. In fact the land of Israel back then was entirely ruled by God, not Satan. But can we say that there weren't bad governance there? But why was the rulership bad, because Satan ruled the land? Quite the opposite, God ruled the land. What was wrong was that the individuals chose to follow Satan not God.

Another thing, JW view ignores the fact that Jehovah is the universal sovereign and that rulers are his Public Servants. But a public servant can chose to go against the rule of God and thus can be said to be ruled by Satan.

It should also be stated that even among those who chose Satan, God can cause a ruler to do His will.

Aemmyjah, achorladey, Jozzy4, MaxInDHouse, MightySparrow, NowYouKnow, TemmyT002, johnw47, Boomark, Emusan, Dtruthspeaker

Sand2022:
This view by Jehovah's witnesses implies that politicians are under Satan's rule as such, that is why the world is bad as it is.

The problem with this view is not that Satan is not the ruler of the world, but what Jehovah's witnesses interpret the "world" to mean. The world there are those who do not have relationship with God, it is not politicians. And definitely not the cosmos.

If any person, whether politician or not, rejects God's standards and follows his own or the standard of the world, he is under Satan's rulership. But if a ruler follows God's guidelines, even if he is a ruler, he is not under Satan's rule.

We understand that there is a place for imperfection, and this can be attributed to Satan, but even the righteous makes mistakes as well.

This starts to make sense when we consider the land of Israel. If you're a king in ancient Israel, you sat on God's throne. The throne in Jerusalem is God's. In fact the land of Israel back then was entirely ruled by God, not Satan. But can we say that there weren't bad governance there? But why was the rulership bad, because Satan ruled the land? Quite the opposite, God ruled the land. What was wrong was that the individuals chose to follow Satan not God.

Another thing, JW view ignores the fact that Jehovah is the universal sovereign and that rulers are his Public Servants. But a public servant can chose to go against the rule of God and thus can be said to be ruled by Satan.

It should also be stated that even among those who chose Satan, God can cause a ruler to do His will.

Aemmyjah, achorladey, Jozzy4, MaxInDHouse, MightySparrow, NowYouKnow, TemmyT002, johnw47, Boomark, Emusan, Dtruthspeaker

Mr PIMO which church you dey go?

Sand2022:
This view by Jehovah's witnesses implies that politicians are under Satan's rule as such, that is why the world is bad as it is.

The problem with this view is not that Satan is not the ruler of the world, but what Jehovah's witnesses interpret the "world" to mean. The world there are those who do not have relationship with God, it is not politicians. And definitely not the cosmos.

If any person, whether politician or not, rejects God's standards and follows his own or the standard of the world, he is under Satan's rulership. But if a ruler follows God's guidelines, even if he is a ruler, he is not under Satan's rule.

We understand that there is a place for imperfection, and this can be attributed to Satan, but even the righteous makes mistakes as well.

This starts to make sense when we consider the land of Israel. If you're a king in ancient Israel, you sat on God's throne. The throne in Jerusalem is God's. In fact the land of Israel back then was entirely ruled by God, not Satan. But can we say that there weren't bad governance there? But why was the rulership bad, because Satan ruled the land? Quite the opposite, God ruled the land. What was wrong was that the individuals chose to follow Satan not God.

Another thing, JW view ignores the fact that Jehovah is the universal sovereign and that rulers are his Public Servants. But a public servant can chose to go against the rule of God and thus can be said to be ruled by Satan.

It should also be stated that even among those who chose Satan, God can cause a ruler to do His will.

Aemmyjah, achorladey, Jozzy4, MaxInDHouse, MightySparrow, NowYouKnow, TemmyT002, johnw47, Boomark, Emusan, Dtruthspeaker

That's why till tomorrow they will find it hard to go back on their Neutrality doctrine and of not going to wars or fighting in wars. It was simply because Rutherford malhandled Romans 13:1 which send many Jehovah's Witnesses into Labour camps and ended up being ex - convict because they choose to go against Governmental authorities called God's ministers of which they see as their enemies and Satan's agent.

MaxInDHouse:

Mr PIMO which church you dey go?

Irrelevant question from madness and insanities peddling brains.

He is still physically in. Spiting him with the name of his church he now attends won't colour the valid point made in the post.

achorladey:

He is still physically in.

Abeg talk am loud!

The guy is PHYSICALLY IN where?

MaxInDHouse:


Abeg talk am loud!

The guy is PHYSICALLY IN where?

In your madness and insanities peddling brains asking for church

You get the sense of it.

achorladey:

You get the sense of it.

Explain for everyone to know what you mean by PHYSICALLY IN nah!

MaxInDHouse:


Explain for everyone to know what you mean by PHYSICALLY IN nah!

Your madness and insanities peddling brains brought PIMO into the discussion, no one or everyone ask me to explain PIMO it all comes from the madness and insanities peddling brains peddling PIMO and looking for church on his behalf

achorladey:

Your madness and insanities peddling brains brought PIMO into the discussion, no one or everyone ask me to explain PIMO it all comes from the madness and insanities peddling brains peddling PIMO and looking for church on his behalf

He calls himself "PIMO" and you say he is "PHYSICALLY IN" so tell us what that means!

MaxInDHouse:


He calls himself "PIMO" and you say he is "PHYSICALLY IN" so tell us what that means!

Madness and insanities peddling brains looking for means to deflect. Your madness and insanities peddling brains brought PIMO into the discussion looking for church on his behalf to deflect the thread exposing those concocted doctrines called truth

I know your lies and manipulations filled brains cannot reason well enough to know the acronym PIMO where PI part means Physically IN is given by me already

MaxInDHouse:

Sand2022 who started this thread claims he is a JW PIMO meaning he still worship with Jehovah's Witnesses where they teach that TRINITY isn't Biblical yet remain in their midst claiming he is Physically In but Mentally Out of Jehovah's Witnesses organization.

Na your fraudulent ways on Nairaland I highlight above so.

achorladey:

Sand2022 still worship with Jehovah's Witnesses where they teach that TRINITY isn't Biblical yet remain in their midst claiming he is Physically In but Mentally Out of Jehovah's Witnesses organization.

Thanks!

MaxInDHouse:


Thanks!

Your madness and insanities peddling brains that knows what PIMO means as captured in the post you attached my name to deserve the thanks as well

achorladey:

Your madness and insanities peddling brains that knows what PIMO means as captured in the post you attached my name to deserve the thanks as well

Hi don do no cry again!

MaxInDHouse:

Hi don do no cry again!

Na your madness and insanities peddling brains wanted meaning of PIMO and was peddling cry about meaning of PIMO on behalf of everyone that I should explain the meaning.

Now that your fraudulent ways about the meaning was exposed you started peddling your no cry again

achorladey:

Na your madness and insanities peddling brains wanted meaning of PIMO and was peddling cry about meaning of PIMO on behalf of everyone that I should explain the meaning.
Now that your fraudulent ways about the meaning was exposed you you started peddling your no cry again

Hi don do, everyone don know say you won abuse somebody for the forum!

MaxInDHouse:


Hi don do, everyone don know say you won abuse somebody for the forum!

You are getting tired of living with the consequences of your madness and insanities peddling on nairaland.

You can call it abuse billions of times. It won't change. You must learn to face the consequences of your actions.

Sand2022:
This view by Jehovah's witnesses implies that politicians are under Satan's rule as such, that is why the world is bad as it is. ,..

But if a ruler follows God's guidelines, even if he is a ruler, he is not under Satan's rule
Dtruthspeaker

I don't know what they have in mind but they are right here.

The first problem politicians have is Law Fullness.

If you look at the ruling history of nations you would see that they are all ruled by bandits or men who cause harm and death like what the white bandits called the British did to us.

That clearly means that their rule is not backed by Law because The Law states

"No man is good enough to govern another man without that other man's consent" Abraham Lincoln

Government itself is founded upon the great doctrine of the consent of the governed, and has its cornerstone in the memorable principle that men are endowed with inalienable rights.
Leland Stanford

Unlike Isreal where you see that God first chose for them who was to rule them (Saul) which you see the people consented and applauded hence The Law was followed.

And as you see, since men made themselves kings and rulers of other men without due recourse to Law, the world has only fallen further into the depths of Satan as the rulers are all fulfilling the desires of Satan.

StillDtruth:


I don't know what they have in mind but they are right here.

The first problem politicians have is Law Fullness.

If you look at the ruling history of nations you would see that they are all ruled by bandits or men who cause harm and death like what the white bandits called the British did to us.

That clearly means that their rule is not backed by Law because The Law states

"No man is good enough to govern another man without that other man's consent" Abraham Lincoln

Government itself is founded upon the great doctrine of the consent of the governed, and has its cornerstone in the memorable principle that men are endowed with inalienable rights.
Leland Stanford

Unlike Isreal where you see that God first chose for them who was to rule them (Saul) which you see the people consented and applauded hence The Law was followed.

And as you see, since men made themselves kings and rulers of other men without due recourse to Law, the world has only fallen further into the depths of Satan as the rulers are all fulfilling the desires of Satan.

I see where you're coming from. Men today make the choice of whom to rule, not God as in the time of Israel.

However, when we look at the scriptures, we can see human choices that God himself see as God rulership. Example is Mordecai, it wasn't God who appointed him as ruler. Another example is Daniel. These occupied political offices not a direct appointment by God, yet the way they handled there rulership was godly. All will agree that Daniel and Mordecai were not being ruled by Satan. So it appears that the rulership by Satan is not the political office per se but the course of action the persons chose to take shows who rules them. But it most be stated that most politicians are not following godly principles.

achorladey:


That's why till tomorrow they will find it hard to go back on their Neutrality doctrine and of not going to wars or fighting in wars. It was simply because Rutherford malhandled Romans 13:1 which send many Jehovah's Witnesses into Labour camps and ended up being ex - convict because they choose to go against Governmental authorities called God's ministers of which they see as their enemies and Satan's agent.

My concern is that they are being too reckless. They are too dogmatic that there suffer in prisons and die for a doctrine that is clearly wrong. I mean knowing what a consequence results from a particular doctrine, are they not suppose to commit a great deal of study before arriving at a doctrine? Or do they have shallow scholars there?

People could die for your doctrine, yet the doctrine is full of loopholes. Some doctrines they die for should just be left for personal decision.

Sand2022:

I see where you're coming from. Men today make the choice of whom to rule, not God as in the time of Israel.

There are religions that encourage their to politics abeg what stopped you from ing them?

What are you still doing among Jehovah's Witnesses?

Sand2022:


My concern is that they are being too reckless. They are too dogmatic that there suffer in prisons and die for a doctrine that is clearly wrong. I mean knowing what a consequence results from a particular doctrine, are they not suppose to commit a great deal of study before arriving at a doctrine? Or do they have shallow scholars there?

People could die for your doctrine, yet the doctrine is full of loopholes. Some doctrines they die for should just be left for personal decision.

For the religious organization to keep surviving it must live or die by the man made policies used to set it up.

Every member are disposable except those policies. Every of those policies are arrived at to keep the survival of the organization. We know how Malawians were dying because of party cards while those in Mexico were bribing their way to survive.

MaxInDHouse:


There are religions that encourage their to politics abeg what stopped you from ing them?

What are you still doing among Jehovah's Witnesses?

Find am go his congregation and personally drive him away

MaxInDHouse:


There are religions that encourage their to politics abeg what stopped you from ing them?

What are you still doing among Jehovah's Witnesses?

Who give am liver?
The guy know say him no get liver nau.
Man wey no get liver nah man?

achorladey:

Find am go his congregation and personally drive him away.

You know it's partial madness that's his problem but since your brain is not functioning properly you won't tell him.

How else can you call someone who said he is PHYSICALLY IN a false religion and do everything as they does yet he is claiming MENTALLY OUT of the same religion by criticizing them everyday?

May God not let us be as mad as PIMOS!

Janosky:

Who give am liver?
The guy know say him no get liver nau.
Man wey no get liver nah man?

It's simply partial madness!

Sand2022:

I see where you're coming from. Men today make the choice of whom to rule, not God as in the time of Israel.

However, when we look at the scriptures, we can see human choices that God himself see as God rulership. Example is Mordecai, it wasn't God who appointed him as ruler. Another example is Daniel. These occupied political offices not a direct appointment by God, yet the way they handled there rulership was godly. All will agree that Daniel and Mordecai were not being ruled by Satan. So it appears that the rulership by Satan is not the political office per se but the course of action the persons chose to take shows who rules them. But it most be stated that most politicians are not following godly principles.

That is because you are not appreciating that God has always dealt with man in personam which you see since Genesis and why you see God command God loving servants to still duly and righteously serve their masters even if the master is a brute.

So, Mordecai and Daniel were not directly a pointed rulers by God, rather, it is their masters who had given them a task to do, which they must do rightly.

Same Command you see where God commanded soldiers to live and be content with their wages.

Thus, any person who does not listen and obey God, has Satan as his ruler for either God or Satan must rule over a man

And that is the way it is which is why it is written "You cannot serve 2 Masters/if you are not with e, you are against me"

StillDtruth:

And that is the way it is which is why it is written "You cannot serve 2 Masters/if you are not with e, you are against me"

Mr PIMO, see your life!
Something JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have taught you is exactly what this guy is teaching you all over again.

Maybe nah JWs interpreted what Jesus said there to this person?

MaxInDHouse:


You know it's partial madness that's his problem but since your brain is not functioning properly you won't tell him.

How else can you call someone who said he is PHYSICALLY IN a false religion and do everything as they does yet he is claiming MENTALLY OUT of the same religion by criticizing them everyday?

May God not let us be as mad as PIMOS!

You have a reputation for madness and insanities peddling brains on nairaland. One will think your notable quality and identity is off but na lie.

You know it's partial madness

In your own madness and insanities peddling brains. I am not aware of what you are talking about. I don't go about nairaland calling people partially mad or mad because they want to leave the religious organization they belong. Should a catholic member hang in physically in his religious organization the Roman Catholic because he wants to Jehovah's Witnesses and was busy criticizing the Catholic (mentally out) for what they do, MaxInDHouse won't say that person is partially mad or mad or brains not functioning properly.

As per you love peddling madness and insanities peddling alongside brains not functioning properly it is largely expected

How else can you call someone who said he is PHYSICALLY IN a false religion and do everything as they does yet he is claiming MENTALLY OUT of the same religion by criticizing them everyday?

Your madness and insanities peddling brains don put the cart ahead of the horse and loves peddling lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains about others. List all the things Jehovah’s witnesses do that Sand2022 is doing as part of being physically in? I mean all not just some. Even those that are physically in and mentally in criticise one another and even the organization not to talk of those physically in and mentally out.

May God not let us be as mad as PIMOS!

When they call you mad you are bonafide disciples of Jesus. When he calls others mad they are PIMOS. Madness and insanities peddling brains of yours I do talk about. You said you no longer insult or abuse people. Shiooor.

StillDtruth:

And that is the way it is which is why it is written "You cannot serve 2 Masters/if you are not with e, you are against me"

Perhaps JWs infused the above in the poster's head.

achorladey:


You have a reputation for madness and insanities peddling brains on nairaland. One will think your notable quality and identity is off but na lie.

You know it's partial madness

In your own madness and insanities peddling brains. I am not aware of what you are talking about. I don't go about nairaland calling people partially mad or mad because should a catholic hang in physically in his religious organization the Roman Catholic because he wants to Jehovah's Witnesses and was busy criticizing the Catholic(mentally out) for what they do, MaxInDHouse won't say that person is mad or brains not functioning properly.

As per you love peddling madness and insanities peddling alongside brains not functioning properly it is largely expected




Your madness and insanities peddling brains don't put the cart ahead of the horse and loves peddling lies and manipulations packed into your madness and insanities peddling brains about others. List all the things Jehovah’s witnesses do that Sand2022 is doing as part of being physically in? I mean all not just some. Even those that are physically in and mentally in criticise one another and even the organization not to talk of those physically in and mentally out.



When they call you mad you are bonafide disciples of Jesus. When he calls others mad they are PIMOS. Madness and insanities peddling brains of yours I do talk about.

Janosky:


Who give am liver?
The guy know say him no get liver nau.
Man wey no get liver nah man?

In your werey peddling brains. He has liver to criticise your religious organization and MaxInDHouse calls him partially mad when he s politics MaxInDHouse madness and insanities peddling brains will call him fully mad to console his madness and insanities peddling brains seeing one of your dump your so called Jehovah’s organization

MaxInDHouse:

Mr PIMO, see your life!
Something JEHOVAH'S WITNESSES have taught you is exactly what this guy is teaching you all over again.

Maybe nah JWs interpreted what Jesus said there to this person?

I know your madness and insanities peddling brains will lie and manipulate the words of others to suit your madness and insanities peddling brains

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

How many masters dey here?

Madness and insanities peddling brains don't start running around

You cannot serve two masters ~ Jesus said it and StillDTruth repeated it.

So go and fight both of them not me!

achorladey:


I know your madness and insanities peddling brains will lie and manipulate the words of others to suit your madness and insanities peddling brains

Slaves, obey your earthly masters with respect and fear, and with sincerity of heart, just as you would obey Christ.

How many masters dey here?

Madness and insanities peddling brains don't start running around