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“You shall surely die in the day that you eat thereof.”

It is quite surprising that Adam did not die after eating from the tree, as God had informed him, which makes us question whether "the day" referred to something else, or if God was just bluffing.

Many scholars have attempted to overcome this intellectual hurdle by offering various interpretations of the word "day" in this context, aiming to prevent God's words from being seen as a mere bluff. Others, however, argue that there are no indications that "the day" meant anything other than a typical 24-hour day. These individuals further conclude that God was simply trying to prevent man from eating the fruit by issuing a vain threat.

The commandment reads as follows: “Of every tree of the garden, thou mayest freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.”

Bone of contention: “For in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.”

Some argue that God’s threat did not come to , as Adam was recorded to have lived for hundreds of years after eating from the tree. Others propose that Adam died spiritually, introducing the concepts of spiritual and physical death.

However, these new concepts fail to convince many, as they appear to have been inserted into the Bible by those who are reluctant to believe that God’s threat was simply a bluff. The idea of spiritual death, though not originally implied, is being used to ensure that God is continuously seen as truthful.

Devil, just say that you want to your name as an inmate of hellfire.

But for any innocent person I ask what did the bible say is a day in God's Eyes?

And flowing from the the answer in question 1, how long did Adam live?

Was it up to a day?

oridavid:
“You shall surely die in the day that you eat thereof.”
It is quite surprising that Adam did not die after eating from the tree, as God had informed him, which makes us question whether "the day" referred to something else, or if God was just bluffing.

A day in God's timing is 1,000 years {2Peter 3:8} unlike humans that a day is 24 hours so Adam died in less than one day from God's standpoint:

He lived 930 years {Genesis 5:5} and no human lived up to one day since then!

oridavid:
“You shall surely die in the day that you eat thereof.”

It is quite surprising that Adam did not die after eating from the tree, as God had informed him, which makes us question whether "the day" referred to something else, or if God was just bluffing.

Many scholars have attempted to overcome this intellectual hurdle by offering various interpretations of the word "day" in this context, aiming to prevent God's words from being seen as a mere bluff. Others, however, argue that there are no indications that "the day" meant anything other than a typical 24-hour day. These individuals further conclude that God was simply trying to prevent man from eating the fruit by issuing a vain threat.

The commandment reads as follows: “Of every tree of the garden, thou mayest freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.”

Bone of contention: “For in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.”

Some argue that God’s threat did not come to , as Adam was recorded to have lived for hundreds of years after eating from the tree. Others propose that Adam died spiritually, introducing the concepts of spiritual and physical death.

However, these new concepts fail to convince many, as they appear to have been inserted into the Bible by those who are reluctant to believe that God’s threat was simply a bluff. The idea of spiritual death, though not originally implied, is being used to ensure that God is continuously seen as truthful.

You are confused.
Something died that day but it wasn't Adam.

God killed an animal and from the animals hide made "clothes" for them!!!

A pre-cursor signal as to what will be later on!!!

Gabrielshow24:

You are confused.
Something died that day but it wasn't Adam.

God killed an animal and from the animals hide made "clothes" for them!!!

A pre-cursor signal as to what will be later on!!!

This departs from the question.

StillDtruth:


This departs from the question.

It's an allegorical answer to the op's question!

MaxInDHouse:

A day in God's timing is 1,000 years {2Peter 3:8} unlike humans that a day is 24 hours so Adam died in less than one day from God's standpoint:

He lived 930 years {Genesis 5:5} and no human lived up to one day since then!

This is borderline insane, to
By your yardstick God created the heavens and the Earth in 7000 years🤨.

Are you joking?
That's a symbolic statement to show God predates time!!! 🤦🏾‍♂️
Not to be taken literally, no wonder you lots are confused.

Changing dates 👀 from 1874 to 1914🤦🏾‍♂️.
That's what happens when people take literal, allegories and symbolics🤨.

Gabrielshow24:

This is borderline insane, to
By your yardstick God created the heavens and the Earth in 7000 years.

Answer the OP nah, must you always follow me bumper to bumper?

Well the days of creation is not 24 hours rather a long period of time that's some thousand years.
The 24 hours is just for work and sleep! Genesis 1:5

Please i don't have time for you stupidity face the OP hence i won't respond to your stupidity again!

MaxInDHouse:

Answer the OP nah, must you always follow me bumper to bumper?

Well the days of creation is not 24 hours rather a long period of time that's some thousand years.
The 24 hours is just for work and sleep! Genesis 1:5

Please i don't have time for you stupidity face the OP hence i won't respond to your stupidity again!

Are you blind?
Can't you see I have provided a response to OP already? 🤨

Your foolishness just can't help it 👀.

Gabrielshow24:

You are confused.
Something died that day but it wasn't Adam.

God killed an animal and from the animals hide made "clothes" for them!!!

A pre-cursor signal as to what will be later on!!!

Everything you’ve mentioned are things we add from our own experiences and beliefs to the text. They’re not there and that’s why you can’t let the scriptures interpret themselves in this case.

MaxInDHouse:

A day in God's timing is 1,000 years {2Peter 3:8} unlike humans that a day is 24 hours so Adam died in less than one day from God's standpoint:

He lived 930 years {Genesis 5:5} and no human lived up to one day since then!

Well, there was no indication of such telling if it’s a day in God’s presence or a day in adam’s presence. So you’ll be assuming to keep your beliefs. There’s no where else that corroborates that the day God was talking about is 1000years.

StillDtruth:
Devil, just say that you want to your name as an inmate of hellfire.

But for any innocent person I ask what did the bible say is a day in God's Eyes?

And flowing from the the answer in question 1, how long did Adam live?

Was it up to a day?

That’s the easy pick that Satan wants you to believe was what God was saying. Kindly look out for the part 2 of this write up.

If God was talking about a day in his presence then God must have mentioned then the death will be in God’s present too.

oridavid:

So you’ll be assuming to keep your beliefs.

It's OK, thanks for your time!

Gabrielshow24:

It's an allegorical answer to the op's question!

Oooh. I see

oridavid:


That’s the easy pick that Satan wants you to believe was what God was saying. Kindly look out for the part 2 of this write up.

If God was talking about a day in his presence then God must have mentioned then the death will be in God’s present too.

Think well.

There was no death so do you know how many Days must have ed before that Day of Death?

And now you are shifting post to "presence of death" which is not the topic.

So, your part 1 is already toast so no need for part 2.

oridavid:
“You shall surely die in the day that you eat thereof.”

It is quite surprising that Adam did not die after eating from the tree, as God had informed him, which makes us question whether "the day" referred to something else, or if God was just bluffing.

Adam experienced spiritual death immediately upon eating the fruit. Meaning he was separated from God, lost his state of innocence, and became aware of sin. The notion of spiritual death is ed by ages like Ephesians 2:1, which describe humanity as "dead in treses and sins" before being made alive in Christ.

Like I said in the write up, nothing in the verse indicates that. Nothing in the idea of spiritual death in Ephesians tells you that this will happen on a day, but the final death is known to happen on the day of God. So i don't think it was anything like spiritual.

Also, let's not make it like God reacted immediately Adam sinned. God does not reach immediately.

Thankgod89:


Adam experienced spiritual death immediately upon eating the fruit. Meaning he was separated from God, lost his state of innocence, and became aware of sin. The notion of spiritual death is ed by ages like Ephesians 2:1, which describe humanity as "dead in treses and sins" before being made alive in Christ.

You're the one saying the day is 1000 days in presence of God

StillDtruth:


Think well.

There was no death so do you know how many Days must have ed before that Day of Death?

And now you are shifting post to "presence of death" which is not the topic.

So, your part 1 is already toast so no need for part 2.

oridavid:
Like I said in the write up, nothing in the verse indicates that. Nothing in the idea of spiritual death in Ephesians tells you that this will happen on a day, but the final death is known to happen on the day of God. So i don't think it was anything like spiritual.

Also, let's not make it like God reacted immediately Adam sinned. God does not reach immediately.

The issue here is that spiritual death isn’t about God punishing Adam in reaction to his offense, but rather about Adam willfully separating himself from the source of life—God. Since God is life, choosing separation from Him inevitably results in death. So, I’m not saying that God reacted to Adam’s actions either immediately or later.

Genesis 3:3 – “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.”

That’s reasonable but that’s not the tone of the message. The tone of the message was to show that if Adam touched the fruit there will be consequence. It’s a show of power not just an instruction.

Because if Adam touched the fruit, he’ll become like God and may want to get too cocky but God was reassuring him before hand that that would end in tears for him (not literally btw).

Also, if the death was just what Adam did and it’s something Adam would cause by himself, that would me Adam could have reversed his actions and not die anymore. But the death is not in the power of Adam.

There’s no where in the Bible where God is called life. Only Christ was called life and that’s because he carried the living word of God in his heart and became life for.

God is not life, his word is life. If someone separate himself from the word through rejection and offense, they’ll die physically and God will destroy them in the end along with Adam.

Thankgod89:


The issue here is that spiritual death isn’t about God punishing Adam in reaction to his offense, but rather about Adam willfully separating himself from the source of life—God. Since God is life, choosing separation from Him inevitably results in death. So, I’m not saying that God reacted to Adam’s actions either immediately or later.

Genesis 3:3 – “But of the fruit of the tree which is in the midst of the garden, God hath said, Ye shall not eat of it, neither shall ye touch it, lest ye die.”

oridavid:
That’s reasonable but that’s not the tone of the message. The tone of the message was to show that if Adam touched the fruit there will be consequence. It’s a show of power not just an instruction.

Because if Adam touched the fruit, he’ll become like God and may want to get too cocky but God was reassuring him before hand that that would end in tears for him (not literally btw).

Also, if the death was just what Adam did and it’s something Adam would cause by himself, that would me Adam could have reversed his actions and not die anymore. But the death is not in the power of Adam.

There’s no where in the Bible where God is called life. Only Christ was called life and that’s because he carried the living word of God in his heart and became life for.

God is not life, his word is life. If someone separate himself from the word through rejection and offense, they’ll die physically and God will destroy them in the end along with Adam.

First, regarding Genesis 3:3, the phrase “lest you die” isn’t framed as a threat but as a warning. It's more like a doctor saying, “Don’t inject poison into your veins, lest you die.” The consequence is intrinsic to the act, not necessarily an imposed punishment. So yes, it shows authority, but more so parental guidance than a show of force. The power is in the nature of the separation, not a show of coercion.

About Adam “becoming like God”—that comes from the serpent's words in Genesis 3:5, not God's. The serpent said, “you shall be as gods,” which was a lie mixed with partial truth to tempt Eve. God never said that eating the fruit would make them gods—He said they would die. So the idea that God was afraid Adam would get "cocky" is a projection that doesn’t align with the narrative. God’s concern in Genesis 3:22 was about man living forever in a fallen state, which is why He blocked access to the Tree of Life—not out of insecurity but mercy.

You mentioned that if Adam caused death by himself, then he could reverse it. But Scripture teaches that Adam’s action brought about a condition (spiritual death) that he couldn't reverse on his own. That’s why redemption had to come through Christ. Romans 5:12 says, “By one man sin entered into the world, and death by sin...”—death wasn’t externally imposed, it was the inevitable consequence of sin, which is separation from God (Isaiah 59:2). Adam lost something he couldn't recover by himself: fellowship with the life-giving presence of God.

Finally, regarding God being life—Scripture does identify God as life, directly and indirectly:

Deuteronomy 30:20 calls God “your life and the length of your days.”

Psalm 36:9 says, “For with you is the fountain of life.”

And 1 Timothy 6:16 says God “alone has immortality.”

So while Christ is explicitly called “the life” in John 14:6, He also said, “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30). Christ’s life is not separate from God’s essence—He reveals what the Father is. So to say God is not life but His word is life is a bit of a false split. His word carries His nature because He is life.

oridavid:
“You shall surely die in the day that you eat thereof.”

It is quite surprising that Adam did not die after eating from the tree, as God had informed him, which makes us question whether "the day" referred to something else, or if God was just bluffing.

Many scholars have attempted to overcome this intellectual hurdle by offering various interpretations of the word "day" in this context, aiming to prevent God's words from being seen as a mere bluff. Others, however, argue that there are no indications that "the day" meant anything other than a typical 24-hour day. These individuals further conclude that God was simply trying to prevent man from eating the fruit by issuing a vain threat.

The commandment reads as follows: “Of every tree of the garden, thou mayest freely eat, but of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil, thou shalt not eat of it; for in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.”

Bone of contention: “For in the day that thou eatest thereof, thou shalt surely die.”

Some argue that God’s threat did not come to , as Adam was recorded to have lived for hundreds of years after eating from the tree. Others propose that Adam died spiritually, introducing the concepts of spiritual and physical death.

However, these new concepts fail to convince many, as they appear to have been inserted into the Bible by those who are reluctant to believe that God’s threat was simply a bluff. The idea of spiritual death, though not originally implied, is being used to ensure that God is continuously seen as truthful. Some see this as a way to protect the character of God, while others question whether the story of the forbidden fruit suggests a more complex relationship between humanity and divine truth. Could “the day” refer to a broader timeframe, as seen in biblical uses of time? Or does this reflect a moment where Satan’s influence distorted human understanding of God’s sovereignty? For those wrestling with these questions, prayer can offer clarity, seeking wisdom to discern God’s intent in this pivotal moment of human history.

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Your post dives into such a fascinating puzzle in Genesis. The question about whether God’s warning to Adam was a bluff or something deeper really makes you think. I lean toward the idea that “die” in Genesis 2:17 points to more than just dropping dead on the spot. The spiritual death angle—being cut off from God’s presence—makes sense to me because right after eating the fruit, Adam and Eve hide from God (Genesis 3:. That shift in their relationship feels like a kind of death, even if they kept living physically for years.

I get why some see “day” as a literal 24 hours and question God’s truthfulness, but the Bible often uses “day” flexibly, like in 2 Peter 3:8 where a day is like a thousand years to God. Maybe it’s less about God bluffing and more about the consequence starting that day—a process of mortality kicking in. It’s tough to wrestle with, but I think it shows God’s words carry layers of meaning. Thanks for bringing this up—it’s got me pondering how I read these early stories. What do you think “die” meant here?

But the message is that Adam will eventually die and not that Adam will start dying.

The death was something that happens at last according to God.

armchairscholar:


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Your post dives into such a fascinating puzzle in Genesis. The question about whether God’s warning to Adam was a bluff or something deeper really makes you think. I lean toward the idea that “die” in Genesis 2:17 points to more than just dropping dead on the spot. The spiritual death angle—being cut off from God’s presence—makes sense to me because right after eating the fruit, Adam and Eve hide from God (Genesis 3:. That shift in their relationship feels like a kind of death, even if they kept living physically for years.

I get why some see “day” as a literal 24 hours and question God’s truthfulness, but the Bible often uses “day” flexibly, like in 2 Peter 3:8 where a day is like a thousand years to God. Maybe it’s less about God bluffing and more about the consequence starting that day—a process of mortality kicking in. It’s tough to wrestle with, but I think it shows God’s words carry layers of meaning. Thanks for bringing this up—it’s got me pondering how I read these early stories. What do you think “die” meant here?

Gabrielshow24:

You are confused.
Something died that day but it wasn't Adam.

God killed an animal and from the animals hide made "clothes" for them!!!

A pre-cursor signal as to what will be later on!!!

To when humans will now kill his son ..hmmm?

God commanded Adam not to eat from the tree of the knowledge of good and evil: “Of the tree of the knowledge of good and evil you shall not eat, for in the day that you eat of it you shall surely die” (Genesis 2:17). However, Adam and Eve ate of the tree and lived to tell about it. How can we reconcile God’s warning with their continued existence?

Interpreters typically answer this question in one of two ways. First, many note that Adam and Eve did die, though not immediately. The Hebrew phrase translated “in the day” in Genesis 2:17 is sometimes used to mean “for certain” (e.g., Exodus 10:28; 1 Kings 2:37, 42). So, Adam and Eve “certainly” died; it’s just that their death took place much later (Genesis 5:5). This view is also ed by Genesis 3:22, in which God determines to bar man from the tree of life to prevent him from living forever. Adam and Eve lost eternal life, were expelled from the Garden of Eden, and eventually experienced death.

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