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MaxInDHouse:


Now let's go back to where we started do you still think humans need guidance from God to know the best way to deal with our neighbours in order to avoid hurting them?

all these wouldn't have been if no young man brainwashed your child with sweet talks in the name of love to have premarital sex with her and your daughter too who is an adult would have chosen the best if she follow God's guidance regarding her dealings with the opposite sex.

For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.

Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

Sojourner2000:



For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.

Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

I love his arguments but they have no basis in reality.

Nnamdipapa:
We always hear our fellow Christian folks talk about free will as it relates to God, does the concept of free will truly exist?

Ok, here is my scenario. an armed robber comes into your home, points a loaded gun at your head and demands you hand over all the money you have on you, at that point, do you have a free will if you eventually hand over your cash to the robber?

Now with God of the Bible, it is either you believe or you burn in eternity forever. Where is the free will?

What I can see is a similarity between the free will when confronted with the barrel of the gun. Give your money or get blasted by bullets, give me like
your life or roast in hell eternally.

Both are very similar and free will does not exist in both scenarios.

What do you think.

Have you played chess before👀? then you should know all about free will!!!

Also what you presented is false dichotomy!!!
Irrespective of your sentiments, chess allows you to make moves although based on some predefined rules, you can make as much moves as you want based on/leading to an end goal, each move adds positively or negatively to your final outcome.

Although at the moment chess is not entirely solved because of the numerous variations but an higher being in this context God should have it solved already, hence based on his data and the instantaneous decision of your board(life) he knows your outcome!!! But he will rather let you make the move either changing your outcome positively or negatively!!!

In chess there are three possible outcomes: win, lose or draw. But unfortunately in life, it's either win or lose(context: make heaven or gnash in hell)

Gabrielshow24:

Have you played chess before👀? then you should know all about free will!!!

Also what you presented is false dichotomy!!!
Irrespective of your sentiments, chess allows you to make moves although based on some predefined rules, you can make as much moves as you want based on/leading to an end goal, each move adds positively or negatively to your final outcome.

Although at the moment chess is not entirely solved because of the numerous variations but an higher being in this context God should have it solved already, hence based on his data and the instantaneous decision of your board(life) he knows your outcome!!! But he will rather let you make the move either changing your outcome positively or negatively!!!

In chess there are three possible outcomes: win, lose or draw. But unfortunately in life, it's either win or lose(context: make heaven or gnash in hell)

Honestly you are answering the message of this thread and cheess has nothing to do with freewill.

Nnamdipapa:


Honestly you are answering the message of this thread and cheess has nothing to do with freewill.

It's an analogy, where chess in this case life is filled with moves which all lead to an endpoint or outcome🤔.

Positive or Good moves will result in good outcomes but as opposed to traditional chess the comparison of good and bad is compared from God's perspective whereas traditional chess hold engines as a source of truth!!!

Bad moves on the other hand also known as blunders or inaccuracies lead to negative outcomes.

You are free, if you like to open with the grob opening or perhaps benko opening. It's entirely your choice🤨...

You decide your outcome!!!
You can be winning and then blunder it all!!!
You can as well be losing and then you somehow win...

All depends on your free will or decision system!!!

Gabrielshow24:

It's an analogy, where chess in this case life is filled with moves which all lead to an endpoint or outcome🤔.

Positive or Good moves will result in good outcomes but as opposed to traditional chess the comparison of good and bad is compared from God's perspective whereas traditional chess hold engines as a source of truth!!!

Bad moves on the other hand also known as blunders or inaccuracies lead to negative outcomes.

You are free, if you like to open with the grob opening or perhaps benko opening. It's entirely your choice🤨...

You decide your outcome!!!
You can be winning and then blunder it all!!!
You can as well be losing and then you somehow win...

All depends on your free will or decision system!!!

In chess you don't get thrown into hell to burn forever with a wrong move. You see where your analogy does not relate to the topic?

Nnamdipapa:


In chess you don't get thrown into hell to burn forever with a wrong move. You see where your analogy does not relate to the topic?

But you feel shame at the end of the game🤨
When perhaps the engine shows you a missed mate or some forced sequence of moves!!!

That had I known effect🤔!!!
Hell is no different, it's a place where people who failed reflect on their choices🙃 after seeing the gross errors they've made!!!

Like I said it's an analogy, a simple one at best that shows most of the intricacies of free will!!!

Gabrielshow24:

But you feel shame at the end of the game🤨
When perhaps the engine shows you a missed mate or some forced sequence of moves!!!

That had I known effect🤔!!!
Hell is no different, it's a place where people who failed reflect on their choices🙃 after seeing the gross errors they've made!!!

Like I said it's an analogy, a simple one at best that shows most of the intricacies of free will!!!

I played chess on several occasions and never felt the same level of fear when I was in the church with threats of eternal roasting in a molten lake of fire hanging on my head. It is portrayed as a place of torments and not reflections.

I never felt such all the time I played chess reason I do not agree with the analogy.

Nnamdipapa:


I played chess on several occasions and never felt the same level of fear when I was in the church with threats of eternal roasting in a molten lake of fire hanging on my head. It is portrayed as a place of torments and not reflections.

I never felt such all the time I played chess reason I do not agree with the analogy.

Your disagreement is relatable.
Hell in the first place was not for men but rather for fallen angels!

It became a home for all those separate from God🤔, that's why God used another concept lake of fire to symbolize the destruction/cessation of even abstract concepts such as death and hell along with those in it!!!

To sum it up, anything that doesn't have life in it will not live, it will feel and experience excruciating pain as the remnant of life within it slips out!!!

And God is life🙃

Sojourner2000:
➜For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

See contradiction abeg! 😩😩😩😩😩😩

How can someone drop what you term hard facts on something you believe to be just an illusion? The main education wey many of una get ehn! 😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩😩

Gabrielshow24:

Your disagreement is relatable.
Hell in the first place was not for men but rather for fallen angels!

It became a home for all those separate from God🤔, that's why God used another concept lake of fire to symbolize the destruction/cessation of even abstract concepts such as death and hell along with those in it!!!

To sum it up, anything that doesn't have life in it will not live, it will feel and experience excruciating pain as the remnant of life within it slips out!!!

And God is life🙃

But I no longer believe in hell. It is a fairy tale used to scare the weak minds.

Nnamdipapa:

"Now let's go back to where we started do you still think humans need guidance from God to know the best way to deal with our neighbours in order to avoid hurting them[b][/b]?
My answer is a resounding emphatic NO!
Also, there are more than 4 thousand Gods at the last count, which of the Gods might you be referencing? Yahweh, Jesus, Allah, Brahanma..... You need to be specific and you don't presume your own God to be superior to others.
Also, I am in of safe pre-marital sex so far it is consensual and both are of the age of majority.
We do not need the Bible or God to be moral or know the right things to do. People lived their lives before the advent of the Bible.

If you don't know the purpose of an author surely his book will make little or no sense to you.
Well there is just one God and it's until you know Him through the words of His WITNESSES before you can appreciate Him.

My purpose for engaging you is to make everyone who wants to chat with you know that you don't believe in any God you just want to draw them closer so that you can CONTROL/MANIPULATE their thinking to embrace ATHEISM. Proverbs 20:5
Thank you!

Sojourner2000:

For real... It's hard answering this when I know for sure that the God we are referring to is just an illusion that most humans chose to accept as a reality.
Anyways I wanted to commend you for the hard facts you have been dropping and how you have been tackling responses. I need people like this in real life. Everyone around me is just dumbed down

When you get in touch with my brothers you will surely have a rethink about the existence of our God: JEHOVAH

May you have Peace!

Nnamdipapa:

But I no longer believe in hell. It is a fairy tale used to scare the weak minds.

There is no horrible place called hell it's just the common grave of mankind so everyone even Jesus and all faithful servants of God went to hell!

Nnamdipapa:
We always hear our fellow Christian folks talk about free will as it relates to God, does the concept of free will truly exist?

Ok, here is my scenario. an armed robber comes into your home, points a loaded gun at your head and demands you hand over all the money you have on you, at that point, do you have a free will if you eventually hand over your cash to the robber?

Now with God of the Bible, it is either you believe or you burn in eternity forever. Where is the free will?

What I can see is a similarity between the free will when confronted with the barrel of the gun. Give your money or get blasted by bullets, give me like
your life or roast in hell eternally.

Both are very similar and free will does not exist in both scenarios.

What do you think.

Free will is already there. You can the free will of withholding your money.
It is no different from the free will of when a woman opens her no pant legs for you to either fvck or not.

MaxInDHouse:

There is no horrible place called hell it's just the common grave of mankind so everyone even Jesus and all faithful servants of God went to hell!

See Satan deceiving his own brothers with his delusions.

Nnamdipapa:


But I no longer believe in hell. It is a fairy tale used to scare the weak minds.

Whether you believe it or not we can all see that you are afraid of it.

Hell does not need you to believe in it. It is still there waiting for those it is supposed to punish

Gabrielshow24:

Your disagreement is relatable.
Hell in the first place was not for men but rather for fallen angels!

It became a home for all those separate from God🤔, that's why God used another concept lake of fire to symbolize the destruction/cessation of even abstract concepts such as death and hell along with those in it!!!

To sum it up, anything that doesn't have life in it will not live, it will feel and experience excruciating pain as the remnant of life within it slips out!!!

And God is life🙃

The bible says that both good and bad people go to hell according to Ecclesiastics 9:10.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

StillDtruth:

See Satan deceiving his own brothers with his delusions.

Son of a mad man i told you to stop mentioning me but you chose to quote me against my wish yet you won't stop calling me names as if it's a crime for me to hold a contrary opinion from yours.

Here is a commentator who also hold the same opinion.

Truthseeker10:

The bible says that both good and bad people go to hell according to Ecclesiastics 9:10.

So if you won't respect other people's opinion you're surely from a MAD parent!

StillDtruth:


Free will is already there. You can the free will of withholding your money.
It is no different from the free will of when a woman opens her no pant legs for you to either fvck or not.

"Free will of withholding your money" with gun pointed at your head?

Then you don't understand what freewill is.

StillDtruth:


Whether you believe it or not we can all see that you are afraid of it.

Hell does not need you to believe in it. It is still there waiting for those it is supposed to punish

You are projecting your fears my friend. The concept of God, religion and Bible are entirely man made to control others into submission.

Does not work for me anymore

Truthseeker10:

The bible says that both good and bad people go to hell according to Ecclesiastics 9:10.

Douay-Rheims Bible
Whatsoever thy hand is able to do, do it
earnestly: for neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge shall be in hell,
whither thou art hastening

Catholic Public Domain Version
Whatever your hand is able to do, do it
earnestly. For neither work, nor reason, nor
wisdom, nor knowledge will exist in death,
toward which you are hurrying

That is Ecc 9 ; 10.
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.


Hell was never mentioned anywhere in that verse above. It means when people die, earthly activities end.

Nnamdipapa:


That is Ecc 9 ; 10.
Whatsoever thy hand findeth to do, do it with thy might; for there is no work, nor device, nor knowledge, nor wisdom, in the grave, whither thou goest.


Hell was never mentioned anywhere in that verse above. It means when people die, partly activities end.

What is the Hebrew word rendered "grave" and what is the Hebrew word rendered "hell"?

Truthseeker10:

What is the Hebrew word rendered "grave" and what is the Hebrew word rendered "hell"?

The Hebrew word for grave is קֶבֶר (kever).

It is commonly used in biblical and modern Hebrew to refer to a burial place or tomb. Another related word is קְבוּרָה (kevurah), which means burial.

Has nothing to do with an imaginary hell.

Nnamdipapa:


The Hebrew word for grave is קֶבֶר (kever).

It is commonly used in biblical and modern Hebrew to refer to a burial place or tomb. Another related word is קְבוּרָה (kevurah), which means burial.

Has nothing to do with an imaginary hell.

What is the Hebrew word for "hell"?

Is it "Kever" that is used in Ecclesiastics 9:10?

Truthseeker10:

What is the Hebrew word for "hell"?

Is it "Kever" that is used in Ecclesiastics 9:10?

Hell was never mentioned or inferred from that verse above so, why bring hell into the conversation in the first place?

Nnamdipapa:


Hell was never mentioned or inferred from that verse above so, why bring hell into the conversation in the first place?

What is the Hebrew word for rendered as "Hell"?

Was "Kever" used in Ecclesiastics 9:10?

Truthseeker10:

What is the Hebrew word for "hell"?

Is it "Kever" that is used in Ecclesiastics 9:10?

If you mean "hell", the common Hebrew term is גֵּיהִנוֹם (Gehinom or Gehenna).

גֵּיהִנוֹם (Gehinom) originates from the Valley of Hinnom (גֵּי בֶן הִנֹּם), a place near Jerusalem historically associated with child sacrifices and later metaphorically used to describe a place of divine punishment or purification.

In Jewish thought, Gehinom is not equivalent to the Christian concept of eternal hell but is often seen as a temporary place of purification for souls.

Another term sometimes used is שְׁאוֹל (Sheol), which appears in the Hebrew Bible and refers to the underworld, a shadowy realm where all the dead go, not necessarily a place of torment.

Nnamdipapa:


If you mean "hell", the common Hebrew term is גֵּיהִנוֹם (Gehinom or Gehenna).

גֵּיהִנוֹם (Gehinom) originates from the Valley of Hinnom (גֵּי בֶן הִנֹּם), a place near Jerusalem historically associated with child sacrifices and later metaphorically used to describe a place of divine punishment or purification.

In Jewish thought, Gehinom is not equivalent to the Christian concept of eternal hell but is often seen as a temporary place of purification for souls.

Is it Gehinom that is used in Ecclesiastics 9:10?

Another term sometimes used is שְׁאוֹל (Sheol), which appears in the Hebrew Bible and refers to the underworld, a shadowy realm where all the dead go, not necessarily a place of torment.

So which one is used in Ecclesiastics 9:10? "Kever" or "Sheol"?

Truthseeker10:

Is it Gehinom that is used in Ecclesiastics 9:10?


So which one is used in Ecclesiastics 9:10? "Kever" or "Sheol"?

Grave, sheol, the one in my first answer above.

You introduced hell into the verse above.

Nnamdipapa:


Grave, sheol, the one in my first answer above.

You introduced hell into the verse above.

So you now agree that sheol is the Hebrew word rendered "Grave"?


Good.....Did you quote Ecclesiastics 9:10 from the Kjv translation?

Truthseeker10:

So you now agree that sheol is the Hebrew word rendered "Grave"?


Good.....Did you quote Ecclesiastics 9:10 from the Kjv translation?

Yes.