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bemeruca: 2:19am On Jan 30
IjeBos:


Please, you just have to look at who is still welcomed in each party.
Clinton gave a speech at the DNC
What living Republican president/Vice President was even at the RNC?
Would Ronald Reagan fit in today's Republican party?
Shit they even call Jesus woke.
This does not make sense but you are 52 years old and your brain has begun to disintegrate

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Livelystone01: 2:22am On Jan 30
IjeBos:


Like?
Give me examples of a policy Biden promoted that was Extreme.
So you never saw any extreme policies from the last ?

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IjeBos(m): 2:45am On Jan 30
Livelystone01:

So you never saw any extreme policies from the last ?

You made the comment.
2nd time I've asked you to back it up and you haven't.
Name a policy you thought was extreme.
IjeBos(m): 3:15am On Jan 30
bemeruca:

I would be using my s10 if the screen did not crack 😭 I love that phone. Best phone from Samsung. Used it for 6 years. I could not buy another one and puretalk does not carry it.

bemeruca:

Aside from that you pay more when you financing (interest rate). I saved a lot of cash buying my Samsung S24 ultra outright rather than financing. My credit limit is high but who cares.

So much rubbish in these posts.
1.) Most if not all 4G/5G phones are compatible with all the carriers even MVNOs. There are some MVNOs that are difficult with whitelisting certain phones but Puretalk seems to be pretty open.
So, You could have purchased a S10 from anywhere and brought it to Puretalk.
2.) Puretalk seems to finance at 0% interest. So, you would have saved nothing by supposedly buying that Samsung S24 Ultra directly from them.

You keep trying to pretend you live in the US by obviously making up things you have no clue about.
Do you ever get embarrassed by all these lies you tell?

Livelystone01: 4:02am On Jan 30
IjeBos:


You made the comment.
2nd time I've asked you to back it up and you haven't.
Name a policy you thought was extreme.
I'll name a few.

His climate change initiatives were extreme. The repeal of the keystone XL pipeline permit.

LGBTQ .

Border security policies.

COVID-19 Vaccine mandate.

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basilico: 4:16am On Jan 30
RFK Jr nomination marred by senators who are not interested in his agenda but besmirch him.
Same senators who voted for the HHS deputy, an obese transgender military man who transfendered at 54 years after clinching lifetime success as a military man..

During COVID we had 16% of the COVID deaths in a country. We only have 4.2% of the world's population. We had a higher death count than any country in the world. And when CDC was asked why, they said it's because Americans are the sickest people on Earth. The average person who died from COVID American had 3.8 chronic diseases. This is an existential threat, economically, to our military or health, to our sense of well being

The loudest senators of both divides most likely ave received cash and handouts from the pharma industry. Bernie Sanders and Pocahontas have taken in big pharma $$$.

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IjeBos(m): 4:24am On Jan 30
Livelystone01:

I'll name a few.

His climate change initiatives were extreme. The repeal of the keystone XL pipeline permit.

LGBTQ .

Border security policies.

COVID-19 Vaccine mandate.

Why was the repeal of Keystone extreme?
What was his LGBTQ policy and why was it extreme?
What was the difference between his border policies compared to Obama, Trump and even Bush sr, and why was it extreme?
Why was the Covid-19 vaccine mandate extreme given Us children have to get other vaccines to even for school?

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basilico: 4:39am On Jan 30
Livelystone01:

I'll name a few.

His climate change initiatives were extreme. The repeal of the keystone XL pipeline permit.

LGBTQ .

Border security policies.

COVID-19 Vaccine mandate.

You could be wrong. He didn't have any policies since he was mentally incompetent. He speeches were read off teleprompters and any orders he signed were drafted by others.
They wall proofed him,the resurgent media today played along and pretended he was 100%.

You forgot how he weaponized the justice dept to go after Trump and kill the maga movement once and for all.

At the end of it all he granted pardons to those who likely are guilty of serious crimes.

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Livelystone01: 4:51am On Jan 30
IjeBos:


Why was the repeal of Keystone extreme?
What was his LGBTQ policy and why was it extreme?
What was the difference between his border policies compared to Obama, Trump and even Bush sr, and why was it extreme?
Why was the Covid-19 vaccine mandate extreme given Us children have to get other vaccines to even for school?
Did you not see the LGBTQ and there alphabets being placed above everyone? Their flags and whatever they are were made more important than everything and everyone else? The last Olympics and other LGBTQ issues in the US were placed on top of every other person. Don't get me wrong, I do not care about what grown adults care to do with their lives and how they choose to live, I only care about someone trying to force it down my throat.

Can we also talk about children allowed to make such delicate choices about their gender when they cannot be allowed to vote?

Be honest. The border policy of Biden and the lackadaisical attitude of whoever was made the Czar was so bad that even certain questionable people were allowed to flock into the US. There were so many innocent fellows, the criminals, however, who came in and did some crime were caught and let almost too easily to walk free. What do you expect them to do if not to whisper to their fellows across the border that they can also come in and nothing would be done.

I was told to take the COVID 19 vaccine at work that year, I refused. I told them that if all of them take the vaccine then they should be safe from me. Have you forgotten that so many people who had opposing views and reservations were bullied by the system?
What about how the media, including meta and others were told to block opposing views on their platforms. I mean, does anyone need to argue about the extreme nature of the istration towards whoever spoke against the vaccine mandate? People who didn't want to take vaccines lost their jobs in the military and other institutions both private and public.

I understand you the Dems, but not seeing anything wrong with everything they do isn't how it should be.

Like I told someone the other day, I used to be liberal leaning but there were things I wasn't comfortable with that made me mute myself from conversations here for 2 years or so.

Trump has continued his extreme policies, how do you expect raum, been and co to condemn him when you never saw anything wrong with all of Biden' policies?

Ignore any typos in the writeup, I clocked out from my shift and haven't gone to bed yet.

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basilico: 4:53am On Jan 30
Budaatum. Trump is doing everything you opposed so I'll continue calling you out.d

He ordered reinstatement of over 8000 military men fired for refusing the COVID vaccine, which CDC its does not prevent one from getting infected or spreading the infection.

Doctors were also fired for dispensing Ivermectin and HCL.

A Wyoming doctor who was fired after prescribing Ivermectin and Hydroxychloroquine to COVID-19 sufferers urged state lawmakers Monday to a bill preventing doctors from being fired or stripped of their licenses for doing what he did.


COVID vaccine appears to have been a testing ground for the globalists to see much control they have over the serfdom. They can force all public places closed, wear masks,fire anyone opposed,incarcerate you , deplatform you ,etc.
Add climate change .They force EVs, want to limit how much you can fly,where to stay, eat lab grown mears after killing off cows,etc.

The evidence is staring at you. See how much footage you can get from Davos - Very little from a whole week of globalists planning on how to tackle world problems in secret.Yes , no footage at all unlike UN sessions which are streamed live.

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cococandy(f): 4:58am On Jan 30
Livelystone01:

Did you not see the LGBTQ and there alphabets being placed above everyone? Their flags and whatever they are were made more important than everything and everyone else? The last Olympics and other LGBTQ issues in the US were placed on top of every other person. Don't get me wrong, I do not care about what grown adults care to do with their lives and how they choose to live, I only care about someone trying to force it down my throat.

Can we also talk about children allowed to make such delicate choices about their gender when they cannot be allowed to vote?
Me and anti spam bot today šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

Here’s to hoping I don’t get banned again

What was the specific LGBTQ policy that placed them above other people?

Are you conflating rainbow people being loud on the internet and flashing their queer personalities with govt policy and laws? Because those are not the same. And I didn’t see any laws stopping non-LGBTQ people from being themselves either.

So you may not care what people are doing in their bedrooms, buts it’s obvious you care that they exist publicly and that’s your personal bias. But we all have our biases. so, own it.

Don’t claim it’s democratic policy placing them above others.

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bemeruca: 5:02am On Jan 30
IjeBos:




So much rubbish in these posts.
1.) Most if not all 4G/5G phones are compatible with all the carriers even MVNOs. There are some MVNOs that are difficult with whitelisting certain phones but Puretalk seems to be pretty open.
So, You could have purchased a S10 from anywhere and brought it to Puretalk.
2.) Puretalk seems to finance at 0% interest. So, you would have saved nothing by supposedly buying that Samsung S24 Ultra directly from them.

You keep trying to pretend you live in the US by obviously making up things you have no clue about.
Do you ever get embarrassed by all these lies you tell?

the only rubbish here is your reasoning.
purchase a phone from anywhere that is out of production? how long has it been on the shelf?
puretalk does not carry it. I would rather get it from them at $0 or the S24.
I got my S24 from Best Buy during the black Friday sales.
whats your point old man?

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bemeruca: 5:05am On Jan 30
cococandy:

Me and anti spam bot today šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

Here’s to hoping I don’t get banned again

What was the specific LGBTQ policy that placed them above other people?

Are you conflating rainbow people being loud on the internet and flashing their queer personalities with govt policy and laws? Because those are not the same. And I didn’t see any laws stopping non-LGBTQ people from being themselves either.

So you may not care what people are doing in their bedrooms, buts it’s obvious you care that they exist publicly and that’s your personal bias. But we all have our biases. so, own it.

Don’t claim it’s democratic policy placing them above others.

reduce the nonsense you post here maybe the bots may let you be grin grin

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IjeBos(m): 5:16am On Jan 30
Livelystone01:

Did you not see the LGBTQ and there alphabets being placed above everyone? Their flags and whatever they are were made more important than everything and everyone else? The last Olympics and other LGBTQ issues in the US were placed on top of every other person. Don't get me wrong, I do not care about what grown adults care to do with their lives and how they choose to live, I only care about someone trying to force it down my throat.

Can we also talk about children allowed to make such delicate choices about their gender when they cannot be allowed to vote?

Be honest. The border policy of Biden and the lackadaisical attitude of whoever was made the Czar was so bad that even certain questionable people were allowed to flock into the US. There were so many innocent fellows, the criminals, however, who came in and did some crime were caught and let almost too easily to walk free. What do you expect them to do if not to whisper to their fellows across the border that they can also come in and nothing would be done.

I was told to take the COVID 19 vaccine at work that year, I refused. I told them that if all of them take the vaccine then they should be safe from me. Have you forgotten that so many people who had opposing views and reservations were bullied by the system?
What about how the media, including meta and others were told to block opposing views on their platforms. I mean, does anyone need to argue about the extreme nature of the istration towards whoever spoke against the vaccine mandate? People who didn't want to take vaccines lost their jobs in the military and other institutions both private and public.

I understand you the Dems, but not seeing anything wrong with everything they do isn't how it should be.

Like I told someone the other day, I used to be liberal leaning but there were things I wasn't comfortable with that made me mute myself from conversations here for 2 years or so.

Trump has continued his extreme policies, how do you expect raum, been and co to condemn him when you never saw anything wrong with all of Biden' policies?

Ignore any typos in the writeup, I clocked out from my shift and haven't gone to bed yet.

Listen, because you don't agree with a policy doesn't make it extreme. It does sound like you are making comparisons in isolation.

You talked about the LGBTQ policy, but didn't name a Biden policy. Because it wasn't his policy. I disagree with the Transgender pronoun push. But, I also think everyone no matter who they are deserves the freedom to live and not be discriminated against. So, how do you marry those things as a leader?

You spoke about Keystone, but didn't talk about why it was extreme. Because it wasn't. Keystone wouldn't have had any effect on gas prices. It was just a delivery pipeline. We still get the same oil delivered other ways. The debate was, was the incremental gain from the Pipeline worth the cost of health hazards and environmental issues in the land it ran over. There has been a lot of scholarship on this. It wasn't.

You spoke about vaccines. But again, there are vaccine mandates for children. Why was this one different? Because it was politicized. Simple as that. How can something that we are mandated to get for other things like Polio be extreme?

Even Biden's border policy. There was no real difference in Biden's policies from Bush or Obama and even Trump first tem. The influx of immigrants was more because issues in the countries they came from post covid and the shutdown of the border because of the Covid emergency. The issue is the asylum law that needs to change, something the Republicans haven't wanted to do because it is a good campaign issues. Biden didn't want to bend the law, Trump had the Covid emergency order his 1st term and doesn't seem to care about laws this second term (he's even been deporting legal asylum seekers). What you consider extreme is Biden trying to manage the situation given the tools the law allowed him. For me that's not extreme.

Extreme is pardoning convicts who tried to overthrow the election at the Capital
Extreme was the abortion ban
Extreme is lying about an election being stolen.
And you know how these things were Extreme, they haven't happened before in the history of our nation.

I understand the desire to both sides everything. But how does that help in understanding any situation?

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cococandy(f): 5:21am On Jan 30
bemeruca:


reduce the nonsense you post here maybe the bots may let you be grin grin

Haha so funny šŸ™„

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bemeruca: 5:23am On Jan 30
IjeBos:


Listen, because you don't agree with a policy doesn't make it extreme. It does sound like you are making comparisons in isolation.

You talked about the LGBTQ policy, but didn't name a Biden policy. Because it wasn't his policy. I disagree with the Transgender pronoun push. But, I also think everyone no matter who they are deserves the freedom to live and not be discriminated against. So, how do you marry those things as a leader?

You spoke about Keystone, but didn't talk about why it was extreme. Because it wasn't. Keystone wouldn't have had any effect on gas prices. It was just a delivery pipeline. We still get the same oil delivered other ways. The debate was, was the incremental gain from the Pipeline worth the cost of health hazards and environmental issues in the land it ran over. There has been a lot of scholarship on this. It wasn't.

You spoke about vaccines. But again, there are vaccine mandates for children. Why was this one different? Because it was politicized. Simple as that. How can something that we are mandated to get for other things like Polio be extreme?

Even Biden's border policy. There was no real difference in Biden's policies from Bush or Obama and even Trump first tem. The influx of immigrants was more because issues in the countries they came from post covid and the shutdown of the border because of the Covid emergency. The issue is the asylum law that needs to change, something the Republicans haven't wanted to do because it is a good campaign issues. Biden didn't want to bend the law, Trump had the Covid emergency order his 1st term and doesn't seem to care about laws this second term (he's even been deporting legal asylum seekers). What you consider extreme is Biden trying to manage the situation given the tools the law allowed him. For me that's not extreme.

Extreme is pardoning convicts who tried to overthrow the Capital
Extreme was the abortion ban
Extreme is lying that an election being stolen.
And you know how these things were Extreme, they haven't happened before in the history of our nation.

I understand the desire to both sides everything. But how does that help in understanding any situation?

apply the bold to yourself. hypocrite grin grin

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IjeBos(m): 5:30am On Jan 30
bemeruca:


the only rubbish here is your reasoning.
purchase a phone from anywhere that is out of production? how long has it been on the shelf?
puretalk does not carry it. I would rather get it from them at $0 or the S24.
I got my S24 from Best Buy during the black Friday sales.
whats your point old man?

So before was you couldn't buy one, now it's you didn't want the phone. An out of production phone would be out of production if you bought it from Ebay or PureTalk.
So you didn't care if it was an out of production phone as long as it was 0? Gotcha.

Most of everything you write is Bullshit.
You write some Bullshit and then write more Bullshit to explain your last Bullshit.
Just a lot of Bullshit and Lies.

These are your original posts, compare it wo what you just wrote now.
Lies trying to cover past lies.

bemeruca:

I would be using my s10 if the screen did not crack 😭 I love that phone. Best phone from Samsung. Used it for 6 years. I could not buy another one and puretalk does not carry it.

bemeruca:

Aside from that you pay more when you financing (interest rate). I saved a lot of cash buying my Samsung S24 ultra outright rather than financing. My credit limit is high but who cares.

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IjeBos(m): 5:34am On Jan 30
bemeruca:


apply the bold to yourself. hypocrite grin grin

How is the US treating you? Lol
You really spent all of 2024 pretending you were in the US, posting pics of Canada and other people's cars and houses.
Let's see if you spend all of 2025 doing the same.

bemeruca: 5:43am On Jan 30
IjeBos:

So before was you couldn't buy one, now it's you didn't want the phone. An out of production phone would be out of production if you bought it from Ebay or PureTalk.
So you didn't care if it was an out of production phone as long as it was 0? Gotcha.

Most of everything you write is Bullshit.
You write some Bullshit and then write more Bullshit to explain your last Bullshit.
Just a lot of Bullshit and Lies.

These are your original posts, compare it wo what you just wrote now
Lies trying to cover past lies.






I could not buy one from Pure Talk. Anywhere you find one, you are most likely getting a refurbished unit, and I don't want that. if it is $0 I would be paying for slightly more expensive data, not the phone. I could handle that. I don't think Pure Talk sells refurbished phones too. Find me a brand new one and I may buy it. but I doubt you would see anyone that is not refurbished.

again, the only nonsense here is your reasoning.

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basilico: 5:49am On Jan 30
cococandy:

Me and anti spam bot today šŸ˜®ā€šŸ’Ø

Here’s to hoping I don’t get banned again

What was the specific LGBTQ policy that placed them above other people?

Are you conflating rainbow people being loud on the internet and flashing their queer personalities with govt policy and laws? Because those are not the same. And I didn’t see any laws stopping non-LGBTQ people from being themselves either.

So you may not care what people are doing in their bedrooms, buts it’s obvious you care that they exist publicly and that’s your personal bias. But we all have our biases. so, own it.

Don’t claim it’s democratic policy placing them above others.

oppressed groups are allowed to be racist .
Pride flags are flown on embassies. Banned.
We have Black History month. Noone would dare declare a white history month
We have BET . Noone would dare try launching a WET.
cisgenders are transphobic if they oppose trans in sports, prisons , 2 gender choices on govt IDs
Christians are well the most persecuted people but few raise their voices in .
A quote about clinging to their guns was derogatory but noone said anything .
IjeBos(m): 5:49am On Jan 30
bemeruca:


I could not buy one from Pure Talk. Anywhere you find one, you are most likely getting a refurbished unit, and I don't want that. if it is $0 I would be paying for slightly more expensive data, not the phone. I could handle that. I don't think Pure Talk sells refurbished phones too. Find me a brand new one and I may buy it. but I doubt you would see anyone that is not refurbished.

again, the only nonsense here is your reasoning.

You have to make your lies harder to disprove.
Always Bullshit all the time.

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bemeruca: 5:55am On Jan 30
IjeBos:


You have to make your lies harder to disprove.
Always Bullshit all the time.

I should buy those phones from eBay, are you stupid?
hahahaha

because they said new on eBay you think it is new? mumu
people buy pictures of a phone on eBay thinking they are buying an actual phone.

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cococandy(f): 6:13am On Jan 30
This a bit rambly but show me the policy pls.The specific policy that places LGBTQ people above non-LGBTQ.

basilico:

oppressed groups are allowed to be racist .


What does this mean?


Pride flags are flown on embassies. Banned.

okay and? If the embassies are choosing to do that, how does that place them above you?
The question again is, where is the democrat policy that instructs embassies to fly pride flags?

We have Black History month. Noone would dare declare a white history month

šŸ¤¦šŸ½ā€ā™€ļø why would white people need a white history month?
We have BET . Noone would dare try launching a WET.
[/quote] again šŸ¤¦šŸ½ā€ā™€ļø

cisgenders are transphobic if they oppose trans in sports, prisons ,
you don’t have to participate. Or commit crimes


2 gender choices on govt IDs

Put the gender you are on your ID. Where’s the policy that forces you to put something else on there?

Christians are well the most persecuted people but few raise their voices in .
Not in America we are not. In northern Nigeria maybe. But in America we’re the oppressors. Christians here feel persecuted if they can’t force others to live by biblical principles. As far their own personal lives, no one has ever stopped a Christian from living according to their religion.
I’m free to go to church, display my religious faith in my personal space, pray at my own time. Wear Christian clothes etc.

But I can’t try to convince others to me especially in a professional environment. I can’t pray unsolicited for people who didn’t ask for it. I can’t choose a job in an establishment that’s funded by public money and then refuse service to of the public whose money pays for same establishment just because they are ā€œunchristianā€.

This is not persecution. I don’t feel persecuted by it at all. Because if a Muslims asked for the same liberty to foist their beliefs on me, I’d be livid. So I understand my boundaries and theirs. Keep your religion in your home.


A quote about clinging to their guns was derogatory but noone said anything .

??

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IjeBos(m): 6:17am On Jan 30
bemeruca:


I should buy those phones from eBay, are you stupid?
hahahaha

because they said new on eBay you think it is new? mumu
people buy pictures of a phone on eBay thinking they are buying an actual phone.

Said like someone who doesn't live in the US.
bemeruca: 6:19am On Jan 30
Tragic news: US enger jet collides with army helicopter while landing near Washington airport
bemeruca: 6:21am On Jan 30
IjeBos:


Said like someone who doesn't live in the US.

you want me to buy a phone from sigmacellular?
mumu. cheap as nigger cheesy cheesy
cococandy(f): 7:44am On Jan 30
bemeruca:
Tragic news: US enger jet collides with army helicopter while landing near Washington airport

Let’s hope his reckless behavior didn’t cause this.

Messing with federal agencies that control air traffic is not something any president has done before.

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bemeruca: 7:50am On Jan 30
cococandy:


Let’s hope his reckless behavior didn’t cause this.

Messing with federal agencies that control air traffic is not something any president has done before.

Can you live for a day without trump in your head?

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cococandy(f): 8:01am On Jan 30
bemeruca:


Can you live for a day without trump in your head?

Lame response.

Let me live obliviously without him in my head while he’s recklessly swinging his pen in ways that affect my and everyone else’s wellbeing.

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basilico: 8:18am On Jan 30
Hi
cococandy:
This a bit rambly but show me the policy pls.The specific policy that places LGBTQ people above non-LGBTQ.



What does this mean?

okay and? If the embassies are choosing to do that, how does that place them above you?
The question again is, where is the democrat policy that instructs embassies to fly pride flags?
šŸ¤¦šŸ½ā€ā™€ļø why would white people need a white history month?
We have BET . Noone would dare try launching a WET.
again šŸ¤¦šŸ½ā€ā™€ļø

cisgenders are transphobic if they oppose trans in sports, prisons , you don’t have to participate. Or commit crimes


2 gender choices on govt IDs

Put the gender you are on your ID. Where’s the policy that forces you to put something else on there?

Christians are well the most persecuted people but few raise their voices in . Not in America we are not. In northern Nigeria maybe. But in America we’re the oppressors. Christians here feel persecuted if they can’t force others to live by biblical principles. As far their own personal lives, no one has ever stopped a Christian from living according to their religion.
I’m free to go to church, display my religious faith in my personal space, pray at my own time. Wear Christian clothes etc.

But I can’t try to convince others to me especially in a professional environment. I can’t pray unsolicited for people who didn’t ask for it. I can’t choose a job in an establishment that’s funded by public money and then refuse service to of the public whose money pays for same establishment just because they are ā€œunchristianā€.

This is not persecution. I don’t feel persecuted by it at all. Because if a Muslims asked for the same liberty to foist their beliefs on me, I’d be livid. So I understand my boundaries and theirs. Keep your religion in your home.


A quote about clinging to their guns was derogatory but noone said anything .

??

Everything I put down is self explanatory. Maybe the only point "cling to their guns" ,an insult from Obama to whites ( cowboys) in the rural areas . That went unchallenged but a shithole comment went viral

Only one race uses the N word in pop culture , any other is ostracised. Any other race would get a dress down.
The infidel label is also from the protected religion,which they use freely daily basis. A christian won't call others heathens else fire and brimstones will rain on him/her. Christians who protested LGBTQ indoctrination in school boards were hunted down specifically as domestic terrorists by the FBI.
In short minority groups have a lot of leeway .

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budaatum: 11:04am On Jan 30
basilico:
Budaatum. Trump is doing everything you opposed so I'll continue calling you out.

Surprise me. Doh!

Ivermectin and HCL can not cure your bdS.
Livelystone01: 11:14am On Jan 30
IjeBos:


Listen, because you don't agree with a policy doesn't make it extreme. It does sound like you are making comparisons in isolation.

You talked about the LGBTQ policy, but didn't name a Biden policy. Because it wasn't his policy. I disagree with the Transgender pronoun push. But, I also think everyone no matter who they are deserves the freedom to live and not be discriminated against. So, how do you marry those things as a leader?

You spoke about Keystone, but didn't talk about why it was extreme. Because it wasn't. Keystone wouldn't have had any effect on gas prices. It was just a delivery pipeline. We still get the same oil delivered other ways. The debate was, was the incremental gain from the Pipeline worth the cost of health hazards and environmental issues in the land it ran over. There has been a lot of scholarship on this. It wasn't.

You spoke about vaccines. But again, there are vaccine mandates for children. Why was this one different? Because it was politicized. Simple as that. How can something that we are mandated to get for other things like Polio be extreme?

Even Biden's border policy. There was no real difference in Biden's policies from Bush or Obama and even Trump first tem. The influx of immigrants was more because issues in the countries they came from post covid and the shutdown of the border because of the Covid emergency. The issue is the asylum law that needs to change, something the Republicans haven't wanted to do because it is a good campaign issues. Biden didn't want to bend the law, Trump had the Covid emergency order his 1st term and doesn't seem to care about laws this second term (he's even been deporting legal asylum seekers). What you consider extreme is Biden trying to manage the situation given the tools the law allowed him. For me that's not extreme.

Extreme is pardoning convicts who tried to overthrow the Capital
Extreme was the abortion ban
Extreme is lying that an election being stolen.
And you know how these things were Extreme, they haven't happened before in the history of our nation.

I understand the desire to both sides everything. But how does that help in understanding any situation?
You know the above I stated and most of his EOs got the required backlashes and even the media hounding too, so why will something that pushes far towards a direction not be extreme to the other side?

What do you see as extreme? Only what doesn't go towards the direction of your party?

It is obvious that you will never see anything wrong with the Dems policies which is your right and that is ok, so how do you want the GOP guys here to see anything with Trump's policies?

This place will never be a thread for discussion and learning because both sides have one aim, to argue to win instead of a discourse to learn and grow.

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