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With consular officers already telling people not to go give birth already raises a red flag

Iknowhow:


You appear to be well-informed and knowledgeable. However, people are concerned about the lawyers who drafted the EO as it is assumed that they are masters of this law.

When can we expect to know whether the EO will be discarded or has already been discarded? Will this happen before February 19th?

What will happen next?

Since the executive order was signed on January 20, 2025, it has already faced several legal challenges. The ACLU, along with other civil rights groups, has filed a lawsuit claiming the order violates the 14th Amendment. Attorneys general from 22 states have also sued, arguing it’s unconstitutional. On top of that, a federal judge in Seattle issued a temporary restraining order to block the EO, calling it “blatantly unconstitutional.”

As a lawyer myself, I can tell you that sometimes we try to make arguments we hope will win, even when we know they’re on shaky ground. This EO is no exception, it’s facing strong legal opposition, and courts are already stepping in to stop it while its constitutionality is reviewed.

Iknowhow:
With consular officers already telling people not to go give birth already raises a red flag

This has been reported since two years ago, saying it now only reiterates what they’ve already said before the EO.

Debbieeeeeee:

This has been reported since two years ago, saying it now only reiterates what they’ve already said before the EO.

I just heard about the temporary restraining order. I think it will be for just 15 days.

Thank you so much, as I would love to hear more from you as this unfolds .

There is a lot to learn about this .

Iknowhow:


I just heard about the temporary restraining order. I think it will be for just 15 days.

Thank you so much, as I would love to hear more from you as this unfolds .

There is a lot to learn about this .

Yes, you’re right that a temporary restraining order usually lasts about 14–15 days. However, in cases like this, it can be extended or followed by a preliminary injunction if the court believes there are strong legal grounds. With a constitutional issue like this, it’s likely to be a long process, potentially going all the way to the Supreme Court for a decision or reference.
I’m closely following this I’ll keep sharing updates as we see how this unfolds!

Debbieeeeeee:


Your argument misses a key point: United States v. Wong Kim Ark (1898) made it clear that birthright citizenship applies to anyone born in the U.S., except for rare cases like children of diplomats. The 14th Amendment’s words are straightforward “subject to jurisdiction” applies broadly, and courts have upheld this for over a century. The president cannot rewrite the Constitution with an executive order; only an amendment can change this, and that’s not happening. Courts don’t rely on speculation about what the framers “didn’t foresee” they rely on what the law says and established precedent. This EO directly contradicts the Constitution and cases like Plyler v. Doe. Calling it a “master stroke” ignores the fact that it will be struck down for violating the law.

I directly quoted from the opinion in Wong Kim Ark. As you can see, the court highlights the status of his parents at the time of his birth. The court agrees that the parents owe their allegiance to china... but have a permanent domicile in the US. The Trump EO states exactly that, it reserves birthright citizenship for those who have permanent domicile in the US. Those left out are visitors, illegal immigrants, temporary workers... all of whom are not permanently domiciled in the US.

This will be a big test but i strongly believe SCOTUS will preserve the EO. Trump's team did not write that EO for fun.

TWoods:


I directly quoted from the opinion in Wong Kim Ark. As you can see, the court highlights the status of his parents at the time of his birth. The court agrees that the parents owe their allegiance to china... but have a permanent domicile in the US. The Trump EO states exactly that, it reserves birthright citizenship for those who have permanent domicile in the US. Those left out are visitors, illegal immigrants, temporary workers... all of whom are not permanently domiciled in the US.

This will be a big test but i strongly believe SCOTUS will preserve the EO. Trump's team did not write that EO for fun.

While Wong Kim Ark mentioned the parents’ status, the Court made it clear that birthright citizenship depends on being born on U.S. soil and under its jurisdiction not the parents’ permanent domicile. The parents’ allegiance to China didn’t matter because they were subject to U.S. laws while living here. The 14th Amendment doesn’t limit citizenship to children of permanent residents; it applies to nearly everyone born in the U.S., except for narrow exceptions like children of diplomats.

As for Trump’s legal team, they may be skilled or supposedly the best, but no amount of legal drafting can by the Constitution or Supreme Court precedent. Writing an EO that directly contradicts over 100 years of settled law isn’t a masterstroke, it’s a gamble. The courts have already started pushing back, and history shows they won’t ignore the Constitution to accommodate political strategies.

Hi,

I had my children in 2020 and spent a little over two months abroad during that period. When I was interviewed, the Visa Officer asked how I managed to stay for that long. I explained that I was on a 3-month maternity leave, in addition to my annual leave. The officer also asked for my delivery date and clarified that I wasn’t affected by the executive order signed by Trump at the time.

The VO then asked if I was planning to give birth while in the U.S. and explicitly advised me not to use my visa for that purpose. He mentioned that the B1/B2 visa could no longer be used for childbirth. My visa was then granted, and I have been able to renew since then with no issues.

I hope this information is helpful!

Luxe031:
hello @ladycaplin when did you have your kids pls , could you pls say what was asked , I had a baby in 2023 , I have an appointment next week and really anxious , had two kids 2016/2017 applied for birthing visas , in 2022 had an interview to take my son for a check up , they asked for the appointment details and issued the visa , got pregnant end of 2022 and gave birth 2023

LadyCaplin:
Hi,

I had my children in 2020 and spent a little over two months abroad during that period. When I was interviewed, the Visa Officer asked how I managed to stay for that long. I explained that I was on a 3-month maternity leave, in addition to my annual leave. The officer also asked for my delivery date and clarified that I wasn’t affected by the executive order signed by Trump at the time.

The VO then asked if I was planning to give birth while in the U.S. and explicitly advised me not to use my visa for that purpose. He mentioned that the B1/B2 visa could no longer be used for childbirth. My visa was then granted, and I have been able to renew since then with no issues.

I hope this information is helpful!

Thank you for this . This mean that VO telling people not to give birth in the US didn’t just start .

hi everyone,
I had my baby early 2024 in MD and the visa expired about 3 months ago. I am about scheduling an appointment and I am wondering whether to do the drop box or just schedule for an interview and then go with my receipts. what do you think?

Greatnewsalways:
hi everyone,
I had my baby early 2024 in MD and the visa expired about 3 months ago. I am about scheduling an appointment and I am wondering whether to do the drop box or just schedule for an interview and then go with my receipts. what do you think?

Don’t waive your Dropbox rights until you’re called in for an interview. Everyone’s situation is different. Don’t subject yourself to an interview that you don’t know what the outcome will be.

Thank you debbie.

Debbieeeeeee:

Don’t waive your Dropbox rights until you’re called in for an interview. Everyone situation is different. Don’t subject yourself to an interview that you don’t know what the outcome will be.

Debbieeeeeee:


While Wong Kim Ark mentioned the parents’ status, the Court made it clear that birthright citizenship depends on being born on U.S. soil and under its jurisdiction not the parents’ permanent domicile. The parents’ allegiance to China didn’t matter because they were subject to U.S. laws while living here. The 14th Amendment doesn’t limit citizenship to children of permanent residents; it applies to nearly everyone born in the U.S., except for narrow exceptions like children of diplomats.

As for Trump’s legal team, they may be skilled or supposedly the best, but no amount of legal drafting can by the Constitution or Supreme Court precedent. Writing an EO that directly contradicts over 100 years of settled law isn’t a masterstroke, it’s a gamble. The courts have already started pushing back, and history shows they won’t ignore the Constitution to accommodate political strategies.

United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), was a landmark decision[4] of the U.S. Supreme Court which held that "a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China",[5] automatically became a U.S. citizen at birth.[6] This decision established an important precedent in its interpretation of the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.[4]

Partially agree with you but i think the case hinges on the last part. They had "permanent domicile and residence" in the United States. You could argue this does not apply to anyone here illegally or on temporary student/visitor visa. That's exactly how the EO is frame. I think SCOTUS keeps the 14th amendment but narrows its applicability to only those who have permanent residence visas in the US only.

Good day everyone and happy Sunday. Please has anyone used west houston recently in Texas and has a breakdown of their pediatrician fee for a CS mom. I would appreciate if anyone has that information and can share with me . Thank you

Hello everyone,

Could you kindly assist by sharing details for shipping agents, particularly those based in the Dallas area? i.e. agents that can ship baby's things from USA to Nigeria.

Thank you in advance for your help!

Greatnewsalways:
Hello everyone,

Could you kindly assist by sharing details for shipping agents, particularly those based in the Dallas area? i.e. agents that can ship baby's things from USA to Nigeria.

Thank you in advance for your help!

Try Splendid packaging logistics they’re in Irving 75061 zip code

TWoods:


United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649 (1898), was a landmark decision[4] of the U.S. Supreme Court which held that "a child born in the United States, of parents of Chinese descent, who, at the time of his birth, are subjects of the Emperor of China, but have a permanent domicile and residence in the United States, and are there carrying on business, and are not employed in any diplomatic or official capacity under the Emperor of China",[5] automatically became a U.S. citizen at birth.[6] This decision established an important precedent in its interpretation of the Citizenship Clause of the Fourteenth Amendment to the Constitution.[4]

Partially agree with you but i think the case hinges on the last part. They had "permanent domicile and residence" in the United States. You could argue this does not apply to anyone here illegally or on temporary student/visitor visa. That's exactly how the EO is frame. I think SCOTUS keeps the 14th amendment but narrows its applicability to only those who have permanent residence visas in the US only.

I concur, that's where I think it does have merit
It would be monumental of SC decides this way

Trump no go allow us drink water drop cup

Debbieeeeeee:


Yes, you’re right that a temporary restraining order usually lasts about 14–15 days. However, in cases like this, it can be extended or followed by a preliminary injunction if the court believes there are strong legal grounds. With a constitutional issue like this, it’s likely to be a long process, potentially going all the way to the Supreme Court for a decision or reference.
I’m closely following this I’ll keep sharing updates as we see how this unfolds!

I believe you have seen this too


https://www.ntd.com/second-us-judge-blocks-trumps-birthright-citizenship-order_1045508.html

Iknowhow:


I believe you have seen this too


https://www.ntd.com/second-us-judge-blocks-trumps-birthright-citizenship-order_1045508.html

In plain English and in a nutshell it means a judge has halted the executive order temporarily pending a final decision by the Supreme Court.

This thing will likely drag on for a while. What this means though for the purposes of this thread is - the embassy will likely not be granting visas for birthing until it's resolved.

Hello everyone. I trust you day is going on great . Please I need some clarifications. IF by chance my nigerian port is at the Canada embassy and I am yet to get it back and I have an appointment for my son US port here in America . Is it possible I go along to the embassy with the photo copy of my nigerian international port. Also if going with a photocopy is not possible. Would they accept and recognize our Nigerian drivers license as a means of identification. Please I would appreciate your response as this is what I am currently facing . Thank you

Hello everyone
I'm not sure if this is the right thread
I had my daughter in the US, and I'm trying to get her a nigerian port in the US. I understand she needs NIN first. Does anyone know what the process is like and the requirements since she doesn't have a nigerian birth certificate? Google isn't helping. I'll appreciate all the help i can get.

Amazon2190:
Hello everyone
I'm not sure if this is the right thread
I had my daughter in the US, and I'm trying to get her a nigerian port in the US. I understand she needs NIN first. Does anyone know what the process is like and the requirements since she doesn't have a nigerian birth certificate? Google isn't helping. I'll appreciate all the help i can get.

You can apply for the National Population commission birth certificate and use it for the NIN

Amazon2190:
Hello everyone
I'm not sure if this is the right thread
I had my daughter in the US, and I'm trying to get her a nigerian port in the US. I understand she needs NIN first. Does anyone know what the process is like and the requirements since she doesn't have a nigerian birth certificate? Google isn't helping. I'll appreciate all the help i can get.

She doesnt need a nigerian birth certificate for NIN. But why do you want to get her a nigerian port in the US though?


Go to nigerian immigration services (NIS) and click on apply outside Nigeria follow the instructions - there should be links there on where to apply for NIN int he US

Have you resolved this? Did they allow you use another ID card

Mamabella:
Hello everyone. I trust you day is going on great . Please I need some clarifications. IF by chance my nigerian port is at the Canada embassy and I am yet to get it back and I have an appointment for my son US port here in America . Is it possible I go along to the embassy with the photo copy of my nigerian international port. Also if going with a photocopy is not possible. Would they accept and recognize our Nigerian drivers license as a means of identification. Please I would appreciate your response as this is what I am currently facing . Thank you

babestell:
Have you resolved this? Did they allow you use another ID card

no when i called they just my international port or any federal given ID and I doubt dey would recognize Nigeria IDentification like Nin .

Mamabella:
no when i called they just my international port or any federal given ID and I doubt dey would recognize Nigeria IDentification like Nin .

well your Nigerian Drivers license is federal license FRSC and so is NIN card which is issued by NIMC,

Good evening House. I have some not so good news about people trying to renew their visa after giving birth in the USA. Even the regulation on the website has changed. This news includes even people that sent emails on the change of intent. I was eligible for an interview waiver and was refused under 221g and invited for an interview. The Consular stated expressly that giving birth in the Usa with a visitor's visa is not permissible. She repeated it several times. Even if you send an email on change of intent, it doesn't make any difference. She didn't even bother to look at the hospital bills. I said I should share my 2 cents. Anybody with a way forward should please reach out.

jennyhumphrey:
The Consular stated expressly that giving birth in the Usa with a visitor's visa is not permissible. She repeated it several times. Even if you send an email on change of intent, it doesn't make any difference. She didn't even bother to look at the hospital bills. I said I should share my 2 cents. Anybody with a way forward should please reach out.

This is very correct. They have been giving a lot of females that gave birth in the USA 221G and reiterating at the interview that birthing with a B1/B2 visa is no longer permissible.

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Good evening House,
With the new policies and all, has anyone renewed their kids American port in Nigeria in recent time? We have our renewal date set for this month and i don’t want to be met with any unexpected issues.

Kindly advice

lollarojo:
Good evening House,
With the new policies and all, has anyone renewed their kids American port in Nigeria in recent time? We have our renewal date set for this month and i don’t want to be met with any unexpected issues.

Kindly advice

Thats under US citizen services

That's got nothing to do with any of the exutive orders and their enforce ments