NewStats: 3,264,131 , 8,182,734 topics. Date: Monday, 09 June 2025 at 07:52 PM 91023

jedisco:
Didn't take long. Telegraph is already arguing against ILR for our great british care workers. When they were used to subsidize care costs, they didn't know they were 'low-skilled'. Now its time to become citizens, they don their skill... lol
Interesting how these folks advocate a UAE-esque system when it suits but when it doesn't, accuse those folks of human right abuses. If its a mistake, why is the visa pathway still open? Well, I'm happy Keir is overseeing the return of migration numbers to 'normalcy'

Over the next two years, many of those who arrived since 2021 will become eligible for indefinite leave to remain. Once this is granted, no matter how expensive they may turn out to be, they can stay. The priority for the Government should be preventing this from happening – extending the time taken for eligibility, imposing fiscal contribution thresholds and, in the longer term, shifting towards a guest worker model for short-term, low-wage work. The alternative is too costly to contemplate.

You see why I sometimes lose my patience with these people? Who the heck sits down and thinks up this crap. People who haven't claimed for 5 years will now start claiming?
Even if they do ,so what?

Lord give me strength. They can rant all they want. The law is still what it is.

justwise:


I usually agree with you on many issues but on this one you are on your own.
I’m totally against allowing her in and if labour makes that mistake and let her in then Reform will become the biggest political party in this country.

I disagree with you too. Removing her citizenship when she had no other citizenship was illegal. The government will lose this case .
They should save taxpayer's money and do the right thing.

When you make this case to the British people, they will understand and it. They may hate her because of her interview but these are the facts of the case. Ours is a long tradition of upholding international law. We shouldn't break it now

lavida001:


2 minister so far have resigned. Maybe Labour is filled with bad eggs after all

This is just the beninging...... 😂🤣

I talked about implosion and infighting, before they got into power........

KS would also face his fire, quote me..... 😂🔥

missjekyll:


Who is better ? The people who resign when they have done wrong or the group who stay in seat until thrown out .

Let's not even pretend this is the same as the Conservatives.

They are all the same, 10 and 10 pence...... 😊😂

jedisco:
Didn't take long. Telegraph is already arguing against ILR for our great british care workers. When they were used to subsidize care costs, they didn't know they were 'low-skilled'. Now its time to become citizens, they don their skill... lol
Interesting how these folks advocate a UAE-esque system when it suits but when it doesn't, accuse those folks of human right abuses. If its a mistake, why is the visa pathway still open? Well, I'm happy Keir is overseeing the return of migration numbers to 'normalcy'

Over the next two years, many of those who arrived since 2021 will become eligible for indefinite leave to remain. Once this is granted, no matter how expensive they may turn out to be, they can stay. The priority for the Government should be preventing this from happening – extending the time taken for eligibility, imposing fiscal contribution thresholds and, in the longer term, shifting towards a guest worker model for short-term, low-wage work. The alternative is too costly to contemplate.

After creating something no one forced them to do then they will start fighting against it whether it’s post study or startup visa as if it was in Sokoto the pathway originated from. This is why am not excited about the AI pathway cos tomorrow when those ones too are eligible for ilr they will start saying another thing again like they are responsible for many Brits sitting down at home and damaging the economy.

It just shows the exploitative approach all these programs are and never about progressive ideological way of solving problems. Like I always say it’s a hit and run system.

missjekyll:


You see why I sometimes lose my patience with these people? Who the heck sits down and thinks up this crap. People who haven't claimed for 5 years will now start claiming?
Even if they do ,so what?

Lord give me strength. They can rant all they want. The law is still what it is.

Well, yes, why not? Where they can, it is entirely to be expected that they will. that most people on visas with NPF are not nobly refraining from claiming certain benefits (such as child benefit, for instance), they cannot claim these.

Lexusgs430:


They are all the same, 10 and 10 pence...... 😊😂

In this case, yes. This is not a real Labour government, its has a blueish hue. Had the country ever voted in Corbyn or Kinnock - that would have been something.

Cyberknight:


In this case, yes. This is not a real Labour government, its has a blueish hue. Had the country ever voted in Corbyn or Kinnock - that would have been something.

Or go extreme and vote Farage and his gangsters into power...... 😂🤣

Lexusgs430:


Or go extreme and vote Farage and his gangsters into power...... 😂🤣

You see those ones, wait and let them enter first na once chance things. People are only moral when they are not yet in power.

Goke7:


You see those ones, wait and let them enter first na once chance things. People are only moral when they are not yet in power.

The best prime minister, is that person that is yet to get power....... 🤣😂

justwise:


I usually agree with you on many issues but on this one you are on your own.
I’m totally against allowing her in and if labour makes that mistake and let her in then Reform will become the biggest political party in this country.

Facts.

According to latest polls, Reform is already within touching distance of Labour. Not great news for Labour, less than 1 year from the GE. This year's local elections should be interesting. And it appears that the UK is moving into a 3-party system for the first time ever.

Lexusgs430:



This is just the beninging...... 😂🤣

I talked about implosion and infighting, before they got into power........

KS would also face his fire, quote me..... 😂🔥

This was such an own goal by Keir. There were rumours of Tulip's Bangladeshi connections as far back as 2017 so my eyebrows were raised when he appointed her anti corruption minister lol

Apparently they are good friends (and Keir doesn't have many friends in Westminster) so he perhaps let his personal loyalties get in the way of his political judgement.

Lexusgs430:


The best prime minister, is that person that is yet to get power....... 🤣😂

👍 Correct!

missjekyll:


I disagree with you too. Removing her citizenship when she had no other citizenship was illegal. The government will lose this case .
They should save taxpayer's money and do the right thing.

When you make this case to the British people, they will understand and it. They may hate her because of her interview but these are the facts of the case. Ours is a long tradition of upholding international law. We shouldn't break it now

What case? 🤨

Are you representing Begum and bringing a fresh case against the government on her behalf lol

The facts are the highest courts, including the Supreme Court, have ruled in favour of the government and agreed that she will not be allowed into Britain to challenge the removal of her British citizenship as the grounds of her case "do not raise an arguable point of law". Effectively ending her legal fight in the UK.

Her lawyers can take up her case to the ECHR. However it might take years, even if found issible, and the ruling of the ECHR is not automatically binding on the UK government.
It's one to watch however.

jedisco:

If its a mistake, why is the visa pathway still open? Well, I'm happy Keir is overseeing the return of migration numbers to 'normalcy'

Good to hear that you're happy that migration figures are beginning to normalise.

Recent data shows that numbers have fallen almost 400,000 in the last year, above the stated goal of 300,000.

Interestingly, the number of skilled worker visas has remained steady despite the salary hike to £38,700, which highlights the areas where there was abuse in the system.

Lexusgs430:


They are all the same, 10 and 10 pence...... 😊😂

Are they now? I think not. Don't make me post a list of tory scandals . Bonzo literally bulldozed an associate of putin into the house of Lords. And lied every Wednesday at PMQs.

If I hear pim again ,I ll post the Tory charge sheet

Zahra29:


Good to hear that you're happy that migration figures are beginning to normalise.

Recent data shows that numbers have fallen almost 400,000 in the last year, above the stated goal of 300,000.

Interestingly, the number of skilled worker visas has remained steady despite the salary hike to £38,700, which highlights the areas where there was abuse in the system.

I wonder how they plan to cover the shortages in the care sector.
Everybody must cut their hours to take nana for a nightwash.
They ll take turns to do it. If you are an only child or live in spain, good luck with that.

Cyberknight:


Well, yes, why not? Where they can, it is entirely to be expected that they will. that most people on visas with NPF are not nobly refraining from claiming certain benefits (such as child benefit, for instance), they cannot claim these.

And by the time , they can claim, they have saved themselves out of ever qualifying for benefits in this life .

That man is worrying about bogeyman that does not exist. We don't think like him

missjekyll:


I disagree with you too. Removing her citizenship when she had no other citizenship was illegal. The government will lose this case .
They should save taxpayer's money and do the right thing.

When you make this case to the British people, they will understand and it. They may hate her because of her interview but these are the facts of the case. Ours is a long tradition of upholding international law. We shouldn't break it now

Removing her citizenship should be the least of anyone problem, she is even lucky to be alive let alone fight for citizenship status. No country should touch her with toilet brush.

The case has been taken to British people yrs ago and they don’t want her anywhere close to the border.

When it comes to issue of security national interest sur that of international law.

Zahra29:


Facts.

According to latest polls, Reform is already within touching distance of Labour. Not great news for Labour, less than 1 year from the GE. This year's local elections should be interesting. And it appears that the UK is moving into a 3-party system for the first time ever.

Interesting poll, that is not even close, it’s levelled. Just one wrong policy will have Reform leading by a lot more percentage

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Peerielass:
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Peerielass:
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Cyberknight:


I saw this one.
Interestingly enough, the article makes the good point that salaries for care workers should have been whacked up first but says nothing about the social care NI increase the Johnson government brought in in 2021 to deal with funding for social care which was immediately cancelled by Truss and the low-tax ideologues.

Care is hardly straightforward. Most setups are run by private providers (who determine pay in line with market forces) and the government wouldn't touch it with a long pole. Many concils are on the brink of bankruptcy thanks to social care. Central govt doesn't want or have the means to increase funding to councils.
B-Jo was able to ride the covid induced wave of nationalism that people didn't mind when such was introduced. Now we're back to normalcy, and tax burden close to historical highs, nobody wants an extra tax bill. The recent winterfuel and issue with farmers caused alot of upheaval even though it was the 'rich' that were targeted.

On economic modelling, I think the UK would remain somewhere in between as its culture dictates. Its tough- Higher income earners already carry a huge tax burden and taxing them more would not bring needed gains and be unpopular. An argument can be made to reduce the relatively generous personal allowance but this would be unpopular and its already set to rise by inflation.
A less controversial one would be cutting/capping ISAs as was done with pensions but that might result in a behaviour change and unsure inpact. There are other small cuts/ tax rises that could be made but Reeves is trying to play it safe but the people want major reform. People increasingly want something radical even if that is ultimately going to burn down the economy

Don't play with HMRC......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14281857/BBC-presenter-bankruptcy-unpaid-tax-bill.html

Goke7:


After creating something no one forced them to do then they will start fighting against it whether it’s post study or startup visa as if it was in Sokoto the pathway originated from. This is why am not excited about the AI pathway cos tomorrow when those ones too are eligible for ilr they will start saying another thing again like they are responsible for many Brits sitting down at home and damaging the economy.

It just shows the exploitative approach all these programs are and never about progressive ideological way of solving problems. Like I always say it’s a hit and run system.

Lol... na today? Its a well known fact- we are only here only cos we're needed not wanted and reason why I'm unapologetic in seeking out the best for myself. To be fair though, this is an opinion piece on the Torygraph
They should bring AI on, let people benefit.
In their minds, after care workers have suffered for 5yrs on minimum wage and taxed heavily for settlement fees- what stops them as citizens from descending on the benefit system with vengeance... afterall everybody get wetin dey do am and what some of them go thru is enough to cause PTSD.

The odd thing is that a good chunk of the labour shortages in care, farming, construction etc can be filled locally by ing the millions on longterm sick back to work but any proper conversation on that is shot down by a baying mob.

Lexusgs430:
Don't play with HMRC......

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14281857/BBC-presenter-bankruptcy-unpaid-tax-bill.html

chai, for this new year?

jedisco:


Lol... na today? Its a well known fact- we are only here only cos we're needed not wanted and reason why I'm unapologetic in seeking out the best for myself. To be fair though, this is an opinion piece on the Torygraph
They should bring AI on, let people benefit.
In their minds, after care workers have suffered for 5yrs on minimum wage and taxed heavily for settlement fees- what stops them as citizens from descending on the benefit system with vengeance... afterall everybody get wetin dey do am and what some of them go thru is enough to cause PTSD.

The odd thing is that a good chunk of the labour shortages in care, farming, construction etc can be filled locally by ing the millions on longterm sick back to work but any proper conversation on that is shot down by a baying mob.

Torygraph indeed, omo those people no get joy at all. Make content creators no spoil this AI o, na to dey form AI specialist bayi, AI care, AI baker, AI construction worker etc. AI fashion designer sef

missjekyll:




I wonder how they plan to cover the shortages in the care sector.
Everybody must cut their hours to take nana for a nightwash.
They ll take turns to do it. If you are an only child or live in spain, good luck with that.

What shortages?

One of the main reasons the numbers have dropped sharply is that the Home Office introduced a genuine vacancy test which needs to met before CoS can be issued, targeting the many sham agencies that were selling CoS with no job/hours.

Visas are still being issued where there is a genuine vacancy. Plus the sector currently has a greater supply of labour than available jobs.

jedisco:


Lol... na today? Its a well known fact- we are only here only cos we're needed not wanted and reason why I'm unapologetic in seeking out the best for myself. To be fair though, this is an opinion piece on the Torygraph
They should bring AI on, let people benefit.
In their minds, after care workers have suffered for 5yrs on minimum wage and taxed heavily for settlement fees- what stops them as citizens from descending on the benefit system with vengeance... afterall everybody get wetin dey do am and what some of them go thru is enough to cause PTSD.

The odd thing is that a good chunk of the labour shortages in care, farming, construction etc can be filled locally by ing the millions on longterm sick back to work but any proper conversation on that is shot down by a baying mob.

The ready supply of immigrant labour has contributed to the low wages in the sector. If foreign workers rejected the pay and work conditions, the industry would be forced to improve their offers in order to fill their vacancies, which is what happened with HGV drivers post Brexit.

Unfortunately too many foreign workers are settling for minimum wage and poor working conditions in exchange for a care visa, and too many care companies are getting a free even though they can afford to pay more.

"Descending on the benefit system with vengeance" - lol, if there's anything left. Reeves is bringing in new cuts very soon, benefits are already very squeezed and it's only going to get worse. One has to be practically homeless (with young children) to qualify for a council home, and on a very low income/unemployed to qualify for universal credit or housing benefit.. Child benefit is capped at 2 children and starts to reduce if one parent earns more than £60k. Right to buy will soon be scrapped in all but name due to stricter requirements.
What other benefits are there?
Even the state pension is on shaky ground.


One of the advantages of ILR is the freedom to work anywhere and an unlimited earning potential. The catch is that the higher your earnings, the fewer state benefits one qualifies for. Instead, you are taxed more to help the unemployed and disabled.

Zahra29:


What shortages?

One of the main reasons the numbers have dropped sharply is that the Home Office introduced a genuine vacancy test which needs to met before CoS can be issued, targeting the many sham agencies that were selling CoS with no job/hours.

Visas are still being issued where there is a genuine vacancy. Plus the sector currently has a greater supply of labour than available jobs.

Skillsforcare is telling a different story. (They prepare the report used in the House of Lords). This is the latest report


www.skillsforcare.org.uk/adult-social-care-workforce-data/Workforce-intelligence/publications/national-information/The-state-of-the-adult-social-care-sector-and-workforce-in-England.aspx

jedisco:


Lol... na today? Its a well known fact- we
In their minds, after care workers have suffered for 5yrs on minimum wage and taxed heavily for settlement fees- what stops them as citizens from descending on the benefit system with vengeance... afterall everybody get wetin dey do am and what some of them go thru is enough to cause PTSD.

Omo I laff troway for ground o. Gbam! My head has been touching since yesterday. It's time for benefito . No be only udala born sweet pikin. Other pikins dey too

missjekyll:



Skillsforcare is telling a different story. (They prepare the report used in the House of Lords). This is the latest report


www.skillsforcare.org.uk/adult-social-care-workforce-data/Workforce-intelligence/publications/national-information/The-state-of-the-adult-social-care-sector-and-workforce-in-England.aspx

Lol care vacancies are forever c140,000🤣

It was 140,000 before Boris introduced the new visa scheme, it remained at 140,000 even after hundreds of thousands of care workers came in and it's still c140,000 even though a lot of people are looking for care sponsorship or increased hours. The math ain't mathing.