NewStats: 3,261,373 , 8,173,817 topics. Date: Thursday, 29 May 2025 at 03:36 AM 1j3c5h

missjekyll:
I see Shamima Begum is in the news again.

She will continue to haunt this country until we allow her to come home. You can't just fob off your problems on other countries.

Bring her back ,try her and jail her here.

The public and the government have been united for a number of years that they don't want her back. Part of the consideration is the millions it would cost tax payers to try her, give her legal aid, protect her and her family including giving her/them a new identity and relocation. It's a shut case.

Plus, jails are full 👀

New visa route incoming for AI experts:

UK visa restrictions are expected to be relaxed for foreign expertsin Artificial Intelligence in a bid to ramp up the industry and boost economic growth.

Zahra29:
New visa route incoming for AI experts:

UK visa restrictions are expected to be relaxed for foreign expertsin Artificial Intelligence in a bid to ramp up the industry and boost economic growth.

New foreign experts to be blamed for the UK's self-inflicted domestic problems, you mean.

Cyberknight:


New foreign experts to be blamed for the UK's self-inflicted domestic problems, you mean.

Lol, don't shoot the messenger.

Perhaps, if we end up with 500,000 "AI experts" plus dependants, and AI agencies springing up everywhere selling COS for non-existent AI jobs.

The probability of the above is low however. The "AI visa" is likely to be exclusive with high salaries attached, which equals high tax contributions = happy public/government.

Zahra29:


The public and the government have been united for a number of years that they don't want her back. Part of the consideration is the millions it would cost tax payers to try her, give her legal aid, protect her and her family including giving her/them a new identity and relocation. It's a shut case.

Plus, jails are full 👀

The UK took away her only citizenship making her stateless. That's illegal. Thought we were a law abiding country?
What do you mean "give her legal aid" ? That's her right. She is entitled to effective representation as are we all. No matter what we are accused of.

Did you read the opinion at all? None of your reasons were even considered in that opinion. The issue of the cost does not arise.

Methinks the opponents know she will be acquitted ,that their arguments make no sense and set a dangerous precedent .

That's why they are fighting

Cyberknight:


New foreign experts to be blamed for the UK's self-inflicted domestic problems, you mean.

You know what's up.
They should run far away from this country. Far far away.

missjekyll:


The UK took away her only citizenship making her stateless. That's illegal. Thought we were a law abiding country?
What do you mean "give her legal aid" ? That's her right. She is entitled to effective representation as are we all. No matter what we are accused of.

Did you read the opinion at all? None of your reasons were even considered in that opinion. The issue of the cost does not arise.

Methinks the opponents know she will be acquitted ,that their arguments make no sense and set a dangerous precedent .

That's why they are fighting

I have followed her case since she gave her unrepentant interview to The Times in 2019 which was what sparked public anger against her. I am familiar with opinions pro and against her returning. I didn't necessarily agree with Javid's decision at the time, but I understand the arguments of the other side, many of which are valid.

Like I said, it's a shut case. If she were to be allowed back, then I suppose you also take the view that Assad's wife should be allowed back especially as she is allegedly undergoing cancer treatment?

Labour will not allow her back because majority of the country do not such a move, and they've got enough to deal with with the grooming gangs and trying to bat away calls for a public inquiry. Then there's Tulip and other issues.

missjekyll:


You know what's up.
They should run far away from this country. Far far away.

Lol, last fortnight you were very excited about the prospect of a visa for construction workers to come to the UK.

In a similar vein, you should be joyfully announcing this potential new visa to the AI experts in your network.

Zahra29:



Lol, last fortnight you were very excited about the prospect of a visa for construction workers to come to the UK.

In a similar vein, you should be joyfully announcing this potential new visa to the AI experts in your network.

I probably had something for lunch different from what I m having today. My patriotism dey touch. That's the nature of the beast

Zahra29:


I have followed her case since she gave her unrepentant interview to The Times in 2019 which was what sparked public anger against her. I am familiar with opinions pro and against her returning. I didn't necessarily agree with Javid's decision at the time, but I understand the arguments of the other side, many of which are valid.

Like I said, it's a shut case. If she were to be allowed back, then I suppose you also take the view that Assad's wife should be allowed back especially as she is allegedly undergoing cancer treatment?

Labour will not allow her back because majority of the country do not such a move, and they've got enough to deal with with the grooming gangs and trying to bat away calls for a public inquiry. Then there's Tulip and other issues.

Mrs Assad does have dual citizenship. I wouldn't bat an eyelid for her ( although on second thoughts , i think they should let her in for treatment.i want her to stand trial and be punished)

Shamima does NOT. Bangladesh already repudiated her.

Labour has been steely in their policies despite public uproar. And they are big on rule of law. I am confident that if there is a way, they will bring her back. She is a British citizen. Not exactly a model citizen but she is our unique headache.

missjekyll:


Mrs Assad does have dual citizenship. I wouldn't bat an eyelid for her ( although on second thoughts , i think they should let her in for treatment.i want her to stand trial and be punished)

Shamima does NOT. Bangladesh already repudiated her.

Labour has been steely in their policies despite public uproar. And they are big on rule of law. I am confident that if there is a way, they will bring her back. She is a British citizen. Not exactly a model citizen but she is our unique headache.

Lol @ the bolded. Any democratic government that consistently acts against the wishes of their constituencies will soon find itself out of power. In the west at least.

The law allows deprivation of citizenship if the individual has dual citizenship or the potential to acquire another citizenship. In Begum's case she had the option at the time to obtain Bangladeshi citizenship.

The harsh reality is that Starmer and Labour MPs will not risk their jobs for an former ISIS wife. LibDems and SNP might fight for her but not Labour.

Begum has already exhausted her legal rights all the way to the UK Supreme court. The only route back is if the government decides do a UTurn on their explicit position and reinstate her citizenship. But then they would also have to allow back the dozens of ex ISIS British fighters that were held in Syrian prisons. Begum isn't the only ISIS d Briton stuck abroad -she's just the most high profile.

Do you think Labour would really let back dozens of former ISIS terrorists into the UK? Would you be happy if they were housed next door to you while they are tried and/or rehabilitated?

It's more complicated than saying "she's our headache". Most people get rid of headaches lol

Zahra29:


Lol @ the bolded. Any democratic government that consistently acts against the wishes of their constituencies will soon find itself out of power. In the west at least.

The law allows deprivation of citizenship if the individual has dual citizenship or the potential to acquire another citizenship. In Begum's case she had the option at the time to obtain Bangladeshi citizenship.

The harsh reality is that Starmer and Labour MPs will not risk their jobs for an former ISIS wife. LibDems and SNP might fight for her but not Labour.

It's more complicated than saying "she's our headache". Most people get rid of headaches lol

This.
Personal realpolitik.

Zahra29:


Lol @ the bolded. Any democratic government that consistently acts against the wishes of their constituencies will soon find itself out of power. In the west at least.

The harsh reality is that Starmer and Labour MPs will not risk their jobs for an former ISIS wife. LibDems and SNP might fight for her but not Labour.

Begum has already exhausted her legal rights all the way to the UK Supreme court. The only route back is if the government decides do a UTurn on their explicit position and reinstate her citizenship. But then they would also have to allow back the dozens of ex ISIS British fighters that were held in Syrian prisons. Begum isn't the only ISIS d Briton stick abroad -she's just the most high profile.

Do you think Labour would really let back dozens of former ISIS terrorists into the UK? Would you be happy if they were housed next door to you while they are tried and rehabilitated?

If she were Osama's incarnate, I would imagine the safest place to live would be beside her,wouldn't it?

On a more serious note, I believe this case turns on only 1 point...Did we make her stateless by removing her citizenship? Then we must reverse that. It's illegal and will be overturned in the courts.

I gather the UK tried this(making stateless) with an Individual ,E3 in 2017. The homeoffice had to reverse that decision. It's just not right.

As to having to let in everyone else who fought for IS, it doesn't necessarily follow as decisions are on a case-by-case basis.

missjekyll:


If she were Osama's incarnate, I would imagine the safest place to live would be beside her,wouldn't it?

On a more serious note, I believe this case turns on only 1 point...Did we make her stateless by removing her citizenship? Then we must reverse that. It's illegal and will be overturned in the courts.

I gather the UK tried this(making stateless) with an Individual ,E3 in 2017. The homeoffice had to reverse that decision. It's just not right.

As to having to let in everyone else who fought for IS, it doesn't necessarily follow as decisions are on a case-by-case basis.

The residents of Osama's house/compound would beg to differ as many were killed or injured in the raid.

The Supreme court acknowledged that the Home Office's decision had the effect of rendering her stateless and still refused her appeal to have her citizenship reinstated. This isn't new information.

It sets precedent. If they let her back in, others would argue the same or similar legal grounds to be let back in.

Cyberknight:


New foreign experts to be blamed for the UK's self-inflicted domestic problems, you mean.

I hope they pay the experts like the Americans. If they want them to come.

lavida001:

I hope they pay the experts like the Americans. If they want them to come.

Of course. Unlike the H1-B visa which allows companies to hire overseas workers and underpay them.

We don't do that poo over here. What you get is what everyone gets. Of course you pay some additional fees such as the ihs surcharge but it's the same salary.

US news is highly depressing at the minute. Tuning them out...

missjekyll:


Of course. Unlike the H1-B visa which allows companies to hire overseas workers and underpay them.

We don't do that poo over here. What you get is what everyone gets. Of course you pay some additional fees such as the ihs surcharge but it's the same salary.

US news is highly depressing at the minute. Tuning them out...

Plus we have free nhs unlike Americans who have to pay thousands for blood test. Everywhere has their pro and cons. Tough times ahead.

missjekyll:


Of course. Unlike the H1-B visa which allows companies to hire overseas workers and underpay them.

We don't do that poo over here. What you get is what everyone gets. Of course you pay some additional fees such as the ihs surcharge but it's the same salary.

US news is highly depressing at the minute. Tuning them out...

Same should be replicated towards Nigerian looters who steal money and buy houses in the uk

Has anyone used an eSIM while visiting Nigeria? If so, what was your experience in of network coverage and cost? I’ve used eSIMs when holidaying in North America but noticed that MTN and Airtel now offer this service in Nigeria so I am considering this option for a forthcoming trip to Nigeria. Many thanks.

lavida001:

Same should be replicated towards Nigerian looters who steal money and buy houses in the uk

She just resigned. Corrupt corruption minister. Ridiculous

missjekyll:


She just resigned. Corrupt corruption minister. Ridiculous

2 minister so far have resigned. Maybe Labour is filled with bad eggs after all

Greetings,

Experts in the house, please help me out on this. I have some shares in a UK based company and want to sell part. However, I want the money sent to a trusted friend within the UK itself.

I have the intention of coming to the UK via a research based course with my spouse, so I need the money to remain in the UK for important transactions.

I'm not taxable in the UK right now.

Now, my question is can this money be transferred to my friend without endangering her since every financial activities are monitored?

I have heard a lot from some people about how such transactions may be suspected and flagged.

Thank you

expensive007:
Greetings,

Experts in the house, please help me out on this. I have a shares in a UK based company and want to sell part. However, I want the money sent to a trusted friend within the UK itself.

I have the intention of coming to the UK via a research based course with my spouse, so I need the money to remain in the UK for important transactions.

I'm not taxable in the UK right now.

Now, my question is can this money be transferred to my friend without endangering her since every financial activities are monitored?

I have heard a lot from some people about how such transactions may be suspected and flagged.

Thank you

Do you still have a UK bank ?

Also, there are easier ways of transferring money across borders now.

Cyberknight:


New foreign experts to be blamed for the UK's self-inflicted domestic problems, you mean.

Hehe... if these folks turn up and help build a robust AI industry here, you can bet your last penny they'd ultimately be accused of taking British jobs. Well let them start the pathway. The more the better.

Didn't take long. Telegraph is already arguing against ILR for our great british care workers. When they were used to subsidize care costs, they didn't know they were 'low-skilled'. Now its time to become citizens, they don their skill... lol
Interesting how these folks advocate a UAE-esque system when it suits but when it doesn't, accuse those folks of human right abuses. If its a mistake, why is the visa pathway still open? Well, I'm happy Keir is overseeing the return of migration numbers to 'normalcy'

Over the next two years, many of those who arrived since 2021 will become eligible for indefinite leave to remain. Once this is granted, no matter how expensive they may turn out to be, they can stay. The priority for the Government should be preventing this from happening – extending the time taken for eligibility, imposing fiscal contribution thresholds and, in the longer term, shifting towards a guest worker model for short-term, low-wage work. The alternative is too costly to contemplate.

jedisco:
Didn't take long. Telegraph is already arguing against ILR for our great british care workers. When they were used to subsidize care costs, they didn't know they were 'low-skilled'. Now its time to become citizens, they don their skill... lol
Interesting how these folks advocate a UAE-esque system when it suits but when it doesn't, accuse those folks of human right abuses. If its a mistake, why is the visa pathway still open? Well, I'm happy Keir is overseeing the return of migration numbers to 'normalcy'

Over the next two years, many of those who arrived since 2021 will become eligible for indefinite leave to remain. Once this is granted, no matter how expensive they may turn out to be, they can stay. The priority for the Government should be preventing this from happening – extending the time taken for eligibility, imposing fiscal contribution thresholds and, in the longer term, shifting towards a guest worker model for short-term, low-wage work. The alternative is too costly to contemplate.

I saw this one.
Interestingly enough, the article makes the good point that salaries for care workers should have been whacked up first but says nothing about the social care NI increase the Johnson government brought in in 2021 to deal with funding for social care which was immediately cancelled by Truss and the low-tax ideologues. Can't risk alienating the paper's core base who've drunk copious quantities of the Kool-Aid. Cue more fantasy attempting to run a developed economy on the cheap by borrowing.

I was in favour of that increase - have always been in of moving towards a more western European, if not full-on Scandi-style higher-tax and excellent public service system. At some point the UK will realise that it cannot continue to square this circle indefinitely - the papers are saying that Reeves is facing that reckoning already - and that something has to give somewhere: more austerity and cuts to public services and spending to tilt us more the US way or tax rises. Looking forward to seeing which option Labour chooses to spend its political capital on.

Anyone travelled to Nigeria twice, using same expired port......

What are the likely stress points, at the POE....... 😁😂

I applied for visit visa for mother in-law in Dec of last year and paid for port delivery service via courier. On 20th/12, I got an email from VFS global, Ikeja that a decision has been reached and that the port has been sent out for delivery via courier. No delivery details, tracking or delivery timeframe was provided.

It's almost a month and we haven't received the port. I have since raised a complaint and the response after providing all the information they requested is that they will provide "once they hear" from the team handling the matter.

In other to know what actions to take next (including getting a new port and applying for another visa), I need closure on this matter.

I am considering legal actions and need insight on possible outcomes should I go this route.

What kind of case will it be, civil or?

There were no and conditions to read while adding the delivery service, there was just an option to add insurance in case of missing items which I didn't take. In the rare case that the port is lost, Do I have a case against VFS Global Ikeja?

Seeing that the visa vignette may expire after 3 months and I need ample time to plan the trip including getting items and booking flight all of which the dearth of the port is precluding me from, how long should I escalate and exhaust the internal procedures of VFS Global before seeking legal recourse?

Thanks in anticipation of your responses.

Viruses:
I applied for visit visa for mother in-law in Dec of last year and paid for port delivery service via courier. On 20th/12, I got an email from VFS global, Ikeja that a decision has been reached and that the port has been sent out for delivery via courier. No delivery details, tracking or delivery timeframe was provided.

It's almost a month and we haven't received the port. I have since raised a complaint and the response after providing all the information they requested is that they will provide "once they hear" from the team handling the matter.

In other to know what actions to take next (including getting a new port and applying for another visa), I need closure on this matter.

I am considering legal actions and need insight on possible outcomes should I go this route.

What kind of case will it be, civil or?

There were no and conditions to read while adding the delivery service, there was just an option to add insurance in case of missing items which I didn't take. In the rare case that the port is lost, Do I have a case against VFS Global Ikeja?

Seeing that the visa vignette may expire after 3 months and I need ample time to plan the trip including getting items and booking flight all of which the dearth of the port is precluding me from, how long should I escalate and exhaust the internal procedures of VFS Global before seeking legal recourse?

Thanks in anticipation of your responses.

Why not pay a physical visit, to the couriers depot......

missjekyll:


If she were Osama's incarnate, I would imagine the safest place to live would be beside her,wouldn't it?

On a more serious note, I believe this case turns on only 1 point...Did we make her stateless by removing her citizenship? Then we must reverse that. It's illegal and will be overturned in the courts.

I gather the UK tried this(making stateless) with an Individual ,E3 in 2017. The homeoffice had to reverse that decision. It's just not right.

As to having to let in everyone else who fought for IS, it doesn't necessarily follow as decisions are on a case-by-case basis.

I usually agree with you on many issues but on this one you are on your own.
I’m totally against allowing her in and if labour makes that mistake and let her in then Reform will become the biggest political party in this country.

lavida001:


2 minister so far have resigned. Maybe Labour is filled with bad eggs after all

Who is better ? The people who resign when they have done wrong or the group who stay in seat until thrown out .

Let's not even pretend this is the same as the Conservatives.

Lexusgs430:



Why not pay a physical visit, to the couriers depot......

I have asked VFS Global (via email) for courier details including name, tracking number and expected delivery timeframe but they didn't provide any of these. Their response was they will get back to me "once they hear from the dedicated team handling" the matter. And VFS Global will not allow you into their office without having a biometrics appointment.